Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[P.J. Alling]

B&W Film the standard for Newspaper work until sometime in the 80's was 
the raw of it's day.  Here's the thing, either you trust your trained 
witnesses, (reporters and photographers), or you fire them and get 
someone you can trust. It wouldn't be so bad if the fakes were clever 
and hard to spot, but most were obvious fakes.  That speaks almost as 
poorly for the intelligence of the editorial staff as it does for the 
honesty of the reporting staff.  As has been pointed out there are a 
number of ways to spoof the EXIF data in a jpeg file, and a talented 
Photoshop user can produce nearly undetectable revisions.  I read in the 
comments of that article that some Nikon Cameras embed a checksum in 
each picture file, in an attempt to thwart modifications, but hell once 
you know how any number id generated, it's just as easy to replace that 
as well.


On 11/19/2015 12:00 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

funny, I thought you shot film a while back :-)

On 11/18/2015 11:50 PM, knarf wrote:
I've never shot anything other than a jpeg in my life. Nice to know 
I've still got a chance with Reuters.


Cheers,

frank

On November 18, 2015 11:42:40 PM EST, ann sanfedele 
 wrote:

Gee no I don't, please explain
a

On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

"Steve Cottrell"  wrote:


Interesting!





This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management
people, if you know what I mean.







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Re: Solidarité!

[Alan C]

"No. I view them as having deliberately constructed a fake biography that 
fulfils the scriptures in order to make other people think that Jesus was 
the messiah."


You should perhaps read "Cold Case Christianity" By J Warner Wallace. If 
people colluded to write the Gospels as fake biographies, why aren't they 
all the same?


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Re: Snow Geese

[Alan C]

Yeah, I know the problem only too well. Interesting shot, though.

There are flocks of flamingos at the edges of various mine slimes dams 
around here but the nearest one can approach is about 1km. For safety & 
legal reasons, access to mine property by members of the public is 
prohibited. Another consideration is that the mere presence of the flamingos 
indicates the high salt content of the water.


Alan C

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From: Jack Davis

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 1:10 AM
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Subject: Snow Geese



Visited a National Refuge a few hours ago and returned with no treasures.
My wimpy 55~300 did a fair job of reaching a flock of Snow geese as they 
departed,

(up sun) but nothing else within a "usable" distance.
No biggy, but am attaching.

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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[ann sanfedele]

funny, I thought you shot film a while back :-)

On 11/18/2015 11:50 PM, knarf wrote:

I've never shot anything other than a jpeg in my life. Nice to know I've still 
got a chance with Reuters.

Cheers,

frank

On November 18, 2015 11:42:40 PM EST, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Gee no I don't, please explain
a

On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

"Steve Cottrell"  wrote:


Interesting!





This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management
people, if you know what I mean.




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Re: Snow Geese

[knarf]

I think it's a wonderfully dynamic photo.

Cheers,

frank

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>
>Visited a National Refuge a few hours ago and returned with no
>treasures.
>My wimpy 55~300 did a fair job of reaching a flock of Snow geese as
>they departed, 
>(up sun) but nothing else within a "usable" distance.
>No biggy, but am attaching.
>
>J
>
>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=999

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Re: OT: Interestinf Pin-Up Calendar

[P.J. Alling]

Good thing about that, a whole body X-ray isn't a great idea, let alone 
a series for a calendar.


On 11/18/2015 8:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://themetapicture.com/pinup-calendar-with-a-twist/


Very cool, but done with CGI not X-Rays:
http://www.wired.com/2010/09/x-ray-pin-up-girls-are-just-pixels/



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Re: PESO 2015 - 171 - GDG

[knarf]

Stunning!

Cheers, 

frank

On November 18, 2015 3:55:14 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
wrote:
>On a walk around the neighborhood a few weeks back … I finally had time
>to process the film and scan the negatives over the weekend. 
>
>  https://flic.kr/p/AAmWim
>
>enjoy, 
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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[knarf]

I've never shot anything other than a jpeg in my life. Nice to know I've still 
got a chance with Reuters. 

Cheers,

frank

On November 18, 2015 11:42:40 PM EST, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>Gee no I don't, please explain
>a
>
>On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting!
>>>
>>>
>>> photos/>
>> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management
>> people, if you know what I mean.
>>

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Re: OT: Interestinf Pin-Up Calendar

[ann sanfedele]

This has to be the NY cabbiescalendar that is going viralon the news..

 ooops - no it isn't ...

Yours iseasier on the eyes, Dan

On 11/18/2015 8:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://themetapicture.com/pinup-calendar-with-a-twist/

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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[ann sanfedele]

Gee no I don't, please explain
a

On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

"Steve Cottrell"  wrote:


Interesting!



This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management
people, if you know what I mean.




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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[Michael Beacom]

Illuminated by flash powder.

Sent from my iPad
Mike

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> This just in: Reuters will only accept 4x5 film negatives.
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> I'm telling Reuters on you, Mark.
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
>>> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> 
 Larry Colen wrote:
 
> P.J. Alling wrote:
>> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news
>> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots.
> 
> It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It
> would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better
> part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from
> a raw file.
 
 Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data?
>>> 
>>> I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot
>>> Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open
>>> the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the
>>> processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and
>>> you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata,
>>> including EXIF.)
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Re: OT - a tech WTF?? moment viewing Godfrey's flikker page

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks, Igor ...

I'll keep this email for sure

It had only happened on flickr - I had two other windows open I know for 
sure...it was in Firefox that it happened - I didn't think
of trying to go there in chrome, I had merely clicked on the link...  
Never saw anything like it before.


ann

On 11/18/2015 12:50 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Ann,

This is likely some sort of corruption of the information.

It might be a glitch in your browser, but it might also be an 
indication that you have some "weak" bit in the computer's memory 
(main RAM or RAM used by the video card; those could be shared, 
depending on your computer's hardware).


You don't need to do anything at this point. (And most likely you 
cannot do much about that.) But if you see something similar 
repeating, I'd suggest de-maximizing the browser window (so that it 
doesn't take the entire screen, but just a portion). If those lines 
will remain through the area not covered by the browser, it is likely 
a problem with the memory used by the video-card.
Otherwise, it is either a glitch in the browser or a problem with the 
main RAM.


That might be helpful for you to know what is the likely culprit 
if/when the computer fails in the future.



Igor


ann sanfedele Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:50:04 -0800 wrote:

while viewing that GESO he jsut sent us, this weirdness happened... it 
alsochanged... lines moved around...etc..



At first I thought it must be something set up to prevent image 
pilfering - can't be just my computer


as it only happens on that page on flikker.. hmmm


https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-nvNTpd7/A 



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Re: OT: Interestinf Pin-Up Calendar

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://themetapicture.com/pinup-calendar-with-a-twist/


Very cool, but done with CGI not X-Rays:
http://www.wired.com/2010/09/x-ray-pin-up-girls-are-just-pixels/



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OT: Interestinf Pin-Up Calendar

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://themetapicture.com/pinup-calendar-with-a-twist/

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Re: Snow Geese

[Jack Davis]

Much appreciated, David!

J

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> I like that
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Visited a National Refuge a few hours ago and returned with no treasures.
>> My wimpy 55~300 did a fair job of reaching a flock of Snow geese as they 
>> departed,
>> (up sun) but nothing else within a "usable" distance.
>> No biggy, but am attaching.
>> 
>> J
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Re: Snow Geese

[David J Brooks]

I like that

Dave

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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>
> Visited a National Refuge a few hours ago and returned with no treasures.
> My wimpy 55~300 did a fair job of reaching a flock of Snow geese as they 
> departed,
> (up sun) but nothing else within a "usable" distance.
> No biggy, but am attaching.
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Snow Geese

[Jack Davis]

Visited a National Refuge a few hours ago and returned with no treasures.
My wimpy 55~300 did a fair job of reaching a flock of Snow geese as they 
departed, 
(up sun) but nothing else within a "usable" distance.
No biggy, but am attaching.

J

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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[Darren Addy]

This just in: Reuters will only accept 4x5 film negatives.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I'm telling Reuters on you, Mark.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>>>Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
P.J. Alling wrote:
> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news
> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots.

It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It
would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better
part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from
a raw file.
>>>
>>>Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data?
>>
>> I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot
>> Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open
>> the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the
>> processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and
>> you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata,
>> including EXIF.)
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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[Darren Addy]

I'm telling Reuters on you, Mark.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>>Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>>P.J. Alling wrote:
 Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news
 organizations run on auto pilot by idiots.
>>>
>>>It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It
>>>would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better
>>>part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from
>>>a raw file.
>>
>>Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data?
>
> I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot
> Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open
> the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the
> processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and
> you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata,
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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[Mark Roberts]

Mark Roberts wrote:

>Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>P.J. Alling wrote:
>>> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news
>>> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots.
>>
>>It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It 
>>would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better 
>>part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from 
>>a raw file.
>
>Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data?

I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot
Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open
the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the
processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and
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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>
>
>P.J. Alling wrote:
>> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news
>> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots.
>
>It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It 
>would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better 
>part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from 
>a raw file.

Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data?
 
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PESO 2015 - 171 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On a walk around the neighborhood a few weeks back … I finally had time to 
process the film and scan the negatives over the weekend. 

  https://flic.kr/p/AAmWim

enjoy, 

G

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Re: A weekend up North

[Larry Colen]

Bob W-PDML wrote:

By 'eck, it were grim.

http://www.web-options.com/York2015/


It looks like you had a good time, just chillin'.

I quite like the photo with the red balloon.



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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[Larry Colen]

P.J. Alling wrote:

Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news
organizations run on auto pilot by idiots.


It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It 
would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better 
part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from 
a raw file.


It give me an idea for an interesting feature for a digital camera. 
Each camera is programmed with a private/public key pair, where the 
private key is randomly generated, and not readable.  Every raw file is 
signed with the private key with the signature and public key stored in 
the exif.  It might also be possible to steganographicly watermark the 
raw file with the digital signature.


Any photo submitted must also include the signed raw file.

Spoofing this would at least require a non-trivial amount of processing.




On 11/18/2015 2:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Interesting!








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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[Mark Roberts]

"Steve Cottrell"  wrote:

>Interesting!
>
>photos/>

This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management
people, if you know what I mean.

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


So … In the end, this equipment, or toy as you like to call it, was the right 
choice for what I have in mind for my photography. I don't care what it cost 
and what it's compared to; I've been planning and saving to buy it for a long 
long time. It meets my fifteen year old brief for what I wanted in a digital 
camera to the letter, and goes beyond it. So far, the performance I'm seeing 
from it is nothing short of phenomenal. That's what is important to me.


Which, in the end all that matters is what is the right camera for you. 
For me, debating the Leica SL vs the M, I might as well debate Ferrari 
vs. Ford GT (buy interesting coincidence the only person I know who owns 
a Ford GT is named Godfrey), the chance of my owning any of them is 
vanishingly remote.




Onwards! Enough words … I think I'm going to pack the SL with Elmarit-R 19mm 
and Elmar-M 24mm into my bag and take another walk around the block.. Maybe 
I'll even bring a tripod. :-)

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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

[P.J. Alling]

Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news 
organizations run on auto pilot by idiots.


On 11/18/2015 2:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Interesting!






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Re: Reuters Bans RAW

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I am surprised but this may only show my ignorance about the subject.

I think I can agree with their reasoning.

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Interesting!



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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Personally, I've never really seen the point to providing "full size, high rez 
images … for examination" unless I was discussing a particular point of 
interest and needed to illustrate it with a full resolution photo, and then 
it's usually only a 1:1 pixel resolution clip that's needed. But, to satisfy 
your curiosity, here are three of the gallery photos as original size, 
6000x4000 pixel JPEGs, rendered from the TIFF originals and compressed at the 
LR6.3 70% quality level to save a little upload/download time and space. 
They're about 6 to 7 Megabytes in size, each. 

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/585/22702197767_161675395e_o.jpg
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/649/23132198071_49654f5b17_o.jpg
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/607/23120759675_f581bc0c6c_o.jpg

Viewed @ 1:1 on my Apple Thunderbolt Display 27" at its maximum resolution, 
they're about 4x the size of the available screen area. Hmm, I wonder how they 
would look on an iMac with 5K display? Well, I have an errand to run over near 
the local Apple Store … :-)

G

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Why no full size, high res images available for examination? A million
> cameras can produce a good 1300x867 jpeg. This seems odd to me.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
>  wrote:
> 
>> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera 
>> while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there 
>> now:
>> 
>>   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Darren Addy wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already
>>> said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
>> 60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparison.

It is possible but not easy. Leica R lens mount is 49mm diameter on a 47mm 
mount register; Pentax K bayonet is 47mm diameter on a ~45mm mount register. 
There's too much mechanical interference to build an adapter for that small 
gap, but you can get a Leitax replacement lens mount flange for Leica R lenses 
that will fit them onto Pentax K mount bodies. Not that I'm ever going to do 
that… 

> Besides, in the price category it would be more fair to compare it to the 
> 645Z.  … 

"If you measure everything by price, the world loses a lot of value." 

But about comparing the Leica SL to the Pentax 645Z… As pieces of equipment, 
they're not directly comparable because they are two different formats, two 
different target use domains, etc. The 645Z is a bigger, heavier, slower 
operating camera; it's more directly comparable to the Leica S series 
medium-format digital cameras. I haven't worked with either so I won't 
speculate on how they differ in function, in use, and in their performance. 

I can compare the Leica SL system against a Pentax 645Z system on price: 
Summary, buying a 645Z would have cost me more. The 645Z body is about $7000, 
$500 less than the Leica SL body, but I no longer have any Pentax 645 lenses. A 
full complement of Pentax 645 lenses, comparable to the lens range that I can 
use on the SL, would have cost well over $10,000. Never mind other necessary 
accessories. 

The Leica SL body is $7450. I already had a dozen top-notch Leica R lenses 
(from 19mm to 250mm, plus a doubler) and another half-dozen Leica M lenses to 
use with it. I already had the Leica mount adapters. All of my Leica R and 
Leica M lenses will work beautifully on the SL; I've tested them already and 
know this to be true. I got all the R lenses very inexpensively because the R 
series was discontinued by Leica about six years ago, I paid an average of $450 
per lens ($5400). Consider that in 1998, when I considered buying into a Leica 
R8 system new, just four of these lenses would have cost me about $14,000. BTW: 
The resale value of the lenses I have has doubled since I bought them since the 
announcement of the Leica SL… Yes, I'm smiling. 

(Of course, Leica SL series dedicated lenses will work on this body beautifully 
too, providing AF, OIS, etc. My purchase included the Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm 
f/2.8-4 ASPH OIS, which cost $4750. Testing against the M and R primes in this 
same FL range proves it to be a *stunning* performer, competing head for head 
on performance. But it's a big heavy lens that I'll likely use only when its 
capabilities are called for. As you should know well by now, I prefer smaller, 
lighter prime lenses for most of my shooting; AF is nice convenience that is 
otherwise of little real consequence to me.)

So … In the end, this equipment, or toy as you like to call it, was the right 
choice for what I have in mind for my photography. I don't care what it cost 
and what it's compared to; I've been planning and saving to buy it for a long 
long time. It meets my fifteen year old brief for what I wanted in a digital 
camera to the letter, and goes beyond it. So far, the performance I'm seeing 
from it is nothing short of phenomenal. That's what is important to me. 

Onwards! Enough words … I think I'm going to pack the SL with Elmarit-R 19mm 
and Elmar-M 24mm into my bag and take another walk around the block.. Maybe 
I'll even bring a tripod. :-)

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Re: A weekend up North

[Bob W-PDML]

Thanks Rick.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:43, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Excellent set, as usual.
> 
> 4, 8, 9, and 12 are my favo(u)rites.
> 
> 6 and 11 are... umm.. interesting. What was on your mind?

rocks and mushrooms, Rick. I can't imagine what else could have been? 

B
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rick
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:11 AM, WILSON MICHAEL  
> wrote:
>>> On 18 November 2015 at 00:57 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On 17 Nov 2015, at 22:08, WILSON MICHAEL  wrote:
 
> On 16 November 2015 at 06:41 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2015, at 02:30, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>> Any sightings of The Great Wilsons?
> 
> I wasn't far enough north for it to be that grim...
 
 I was busy making a new set of bicycle rims from stolen lengths of 
 tramline.
 Built to last, they are.
>>> 
>>> Why not just nick a bicycle?
>> 
>> D'oh!
>> 
>> 

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Re: OT: Solidarité!

[Bob W-PDML]

On 18 Nov 2015, at 13:09, Collin B  wrote:

>> On 17 Nov 2015, at 19:36, Collin B  wrote:
>> 
 That's the way the Bible works too.
 
 B
>>> 
>>> How so?
>> 
>> The gospels are a biography constructed around the OT prophecies so that
> people would think that Jesus was the predicted Messiah.
>> 
>> B
> 
> So you view them as suffering confirmation bias instead of as a reasoned
> abductive historical conclusion.
> 

No. I view them as having deliberately constructed a fake biography that 
fulfils the scriptures in order to make other people think that Jesus was the 
messiah.

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WTB DA 50-200

[Rick Womer]

My DA 50-200 lens took a spill, and images are no longer very sharp
along the right side.

I highly value the small size and light weight, so I'm not interested
in the 55-300.

Anybody got a 50-200 they're interesting in parting with?

Please email me back-channel.

Cheers,

Rick


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Re: OT - a tech WTF?? moment viewing Godfrey's flikker page

[Igor PDML-StR]

Ann,

This is likely some sort of corruption of the information.

It might be a glitch in your browser, but it might also be an indication 
that you have some "weak" bit in the computer's memory (main RAM or RAM 
used by the video card; those could be shared, depending on your 
computer's hardware).


You don't need to do anything at this point. (And most likely you cannot 
do much about that.) But if you see something similar repeating, I'd 
suggest de-maximizing the browser window (so that it doesn't take the 
entire screen, but just a portion). If those lines will remain through the 
area not covered by the browser, it is likely a problem with the memory 
used by the video-card.
Otherwise, it is either a glitch in the browser or a problem with the main 
RAM.


That might be helpful for you to know what is the likely culprit if/when 
the computer fails in the future.



Igor


ann sanfedele Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:50:04 -0800 wrote:

while viewing that GESO he jsut sent us, this weirdness happened... it 
alsochanged... lines moved around...etc..



At first I thought it must be something set up to prevent image pilfering 
- can't be just my computer


as it only happens on that page on flikker.. hmmm


https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-nvNTpd7/A

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Larry Colen]

Darren Addy wrote:

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already
said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.


Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparision.


Besides, in the price category it would be more fair to compare it to 
the 645Z.  Judging by the pictures I've seen, the 645Z takes photos of 
pretty women, the Leica of the pavement in parking lots.


:-)



Congrats on the new camera, Godfrey! New Camera Day is always a Great Day.


Yes, congratulations. Enjoy the new toy^H^H^Htool.




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Re: OT - a tech WTF?? moment viewing Godfrey's flikker page

[ann sanfedele]

actually, the lines appeared and disappeared...
when I first clicked Igot the lines showing up behind some of the photos..

I figured someone here would have anidea what might be going on...
(someone more techy than you or I are JAck :-)

ann

On 11/18/2015 11:52 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

...and with the image you named as your favorite?

J

- Original Message -
From: "ann sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:48:13 AM
Subject: OT - a tech WTF?? moment viewing Godfrey's flikker page

while viewing that GESO he jsut sent us, this weirdness happened... it
alsochanged... lines moved around...etc..

At first I thought it must be something set up to prevent image
pilfering -  can't be just my computer
as it only happens on that page on flikker.. hmmm

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-nvNTpd7/A

ann




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Re: OT - a tech WTF?? moment viewing Godfrey's flikker page

[Jack Davis]

...and with the image you named as your favorite?

J

- Original Message -
From: "ann sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:48:13 AM
Subject: OT - a tech WTF?? moment viewing Godfrey's flikker page

while viewing that GESO he jsut sent us, this weirdness happened... it 
alsochanged... lines moved around...etc..

At first I thought it must be something set up to prevent image 
pilfering -  can't be just my computer
as it only happens on that page on flikker.. hmmm

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-nvNTpd7/A

ann

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OT - a tech WTF?? moment viewing Godfrey's flikker page

[ann sanfedele]

while viewing that GESO he jsut sent us, this weirdness happened... it 
alsochanged... lines moved around...etc..


At first I thought it must be something set up to prevent image 
pilfering -  can't be just my computer

as it only happens on that page on flikker.. hmmm

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-nvNTpd7/A

ann

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Darren Addy]

Why no full size, high res images available for examination? A million
cameras can produce a good 1300x867 jpeg. This seems odd to me.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:
> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount 
> of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I 
> felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.
>
> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|
>
> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.
>
> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while 
> I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now:
>
>https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>
> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
>
> enjoy!
> G
>
>   The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Darren Addy]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already
> said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to put the Macro-Elmarit-R
60mm f/2.8 on the K-01 for an apples to apples comparision.

Congrats on the new camera, Godfrey! New Camera Day is always a Great Day.

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

Hope you are feeling even better soon! Glad you got out,but my favorite 
of these 8 is the first one, your glasses setting on whatever..

whichI gather you took at home...

ann



On 11/18/2015 3:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived at 
the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house and go 
pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount of 
effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I felt 
I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.

It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|

When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.

This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while I 
learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz

I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about it answers 
my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by point … and then 
some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what was coming, shooting with my 
Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to replace the Nikon with in a digital 
camera. This is that camera.

enjoy!
G

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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Alan C]

Brilliant images, Godders, esp. the wood-grain as someone else has already 
said. I would be very curious to see how the K-01 compares.


Alan C

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Subject: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge 
amount of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on 
introduction day—I felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.


It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. 
:-|


When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.

This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera 
while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there 
now:


  https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz

I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.


enjoy!
G

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Re: Latest Pentax Enablement...

[Darren Addy]

Excellent! I had forgotten about couplers like that. Perfect. Thanks
for the link.

By the way, my sister took the morning off work to attempt to see the
small flock of Whooping Cranes reported in Thayer County Nebraska. She
succeeded, but says they are a long ways away. She also reports that
the Pentax binoculars I gave her "work great". As an eyeglass wearer
she has always hated binoculars before this set, but it is such a
great combination of good optics and light weight that it is hard NOT
to like them.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Paul  wrote:
> Here's one way to do it...
>
> https://app.box.com/s/ocih5z0bdaqnhxysng635r7kr7wjrudq
>
> -p
>
>
> On 11/17/2015 5:03 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
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>> Interesting! Thanks for the pic.
>>
>> I wouldn't think it would be too hard to cobble something functional
>> together that would duplicate the functionality. It's basically just
>> 1/4"-20 threads on one end and a t-nut same thread at the other, held
>> together with some kind of structure and/or epoxy like JBWeld. Just
>> need the motivation, more than anything.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:46 PM, P.J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2015 4:52 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


 I can see how their style would have made them a good futuristic looking
 prop.

 I believe that they normally say that 10x is the most one should
 attempt to handhold (without it becoming annoying trying to keep it
 steady). I was pleased (and surprised) to see that these have a tripod
 socket on the underside. They are a great size to have in the car
 console or glove box, also.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck finding the adapter, because without it you'll have to rig
>>> something to fit..  I don't think they make it anymore.  It was one of
>>> the
>>> first things I bought for mine, and compared to the binocs it was a
>>> bargain.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PDML/tripodadapter.html
>>>
>>> The original price tag says I paid $9.00, I don't remember if it was from
>>> B&H or Adorama, and looking at it while it's quite well made, it's still
>>> essentially extruded plastic with a couple of metal fittings.  So maybe
>>> it
>>> wasn't such a bargain.
>>>
>>>

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, P.J. Alling
  wrote:
>
>
> I bought a pair of the 16x24 back when they were expensive.   In a
> relate
> note, StarGate SG1 used a prop made out of the a PENTAX binocular
> Shell,
> which was used a few episodes.  They do look pretty cool  as well as
> being
> very good binoculars.  The only issue is holding 16x24 steady.
>
> On 11/17/2015 1:43 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://goo.gl/Teq6NE
>>
>> A while back I found a neat set of Pentax UCF Mini 8x21 binoculars
>> (Made in Japan) and they are really nice. Incredibly lightweight, yet
>> good image quality (though with small objectives, not made for low
>> light). I liked them so well that when I tripped across a (New in the
>> box) set of Pentax 8x24 UCF WR binoculars (7.5 degree field of view) I
>> decided to upgrade and gift my original pair to my sister, the birder.
>>
>> >From what I've read, the latest "Made in China" Pentax binoculars are
>> not regarded as well as the earlier Made in Japan stuff. That makes
>> this one of those rare times that you can get something for less today
>> that is actually worth more. The prices on the box showed that they
>> were originally $129, marked down to $69 and I got them on that
>> infernal auction site for $46, shipped.
>>
>> Before I saw these, I didn't realize that WR was a thing for Pentax
>> for products other than cameras and lenses.
>>
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Re: Latest Pentax Enablement...

[Paul]

Here's one way to do it...

https://app.box.com/s/ocih5z0bdaqnhxysng635r7kr7wjrudq

-p

On 11/17/2015 5:03 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Interesting! Thanks for the pic.

I wouldn't think it would be too hard to cobble something functional
together that would duplicate the functionality. It's basically just
1/4"-20 threads on one end and a t-nut same thread at the other, held
together with some kind of structure and/or epoxy like JBWeld. Just
need the motivation, more than anything.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:46 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

On 11/17/2015 4:52 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


I can see how their style would have made them a good futuristic looking
prop.

I believe that they normally say that 10x is the most one should
attempt to handhold (without it becoming annoying trying to keep it
steady). I was pleased (and surprised) to see that these have a tripod
socket on the underside. They are a great size to have in the car
console or glove box, also.



Good luck finding the adapter, because without it you'll have to rig
something to fit..  I don't think they make it anymore.  It was one of the
first things I bought for mine, and compared to the binocs it was a bargain.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PDML/tripodadapter.html

The original price tag says I paid $9.00, I don't remember if it was from
B&H or Adorama, and looking at it while it's quite well made, it's still
essentially extruded plastic with a couple of metal fittings.  So maybe it
wasn't such a bargain.




On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:


I bought a pair of the 16x24 back when they were expensive.   In a relate
note, StarGate SG1 used a prop made out of the a PENTAX binocular Shell,
which was used a few episodes.  They do look pretty cool  as well as
being
very good binoculars.  The only issue is holding 16x24 steady.

On 11/17/2015 1:43 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


http://goo.gl/Teq6NE

A while back I found a neat set of Pentax UCF Mini 8x21 binoculars
(Made in Japan) and they are really nice. Incredibly lightweight, yet
good image quality (though with small objectives, not made for low
light). I liked them so well that when I tripped across a (New in the
box) set of Pentax 8x24 UCF WR binoculars (7.5 degree field of view) I
decided to upgrade and gift my original pair to my sister, the birder.

>From what I've read, the latest "Made in China" Pentax binoculars are
not regarded as well as the earlier Made in Japan stuff. That makes
this one of those rare times that you can get something for less today
that is actually worth more. The prices on the box showed that they
were originally $129, marked down to $69 and I got them on that
infernal auction site for $46, shipped.

Before I saw these, I didn't realize that WR was a thing for Pentax
for products other than cameras and lenses.



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Re: A weekend up North

[Rick Womer]

Excellent set, as usual.

4, 8, 9, and 12 are my favo(u)rites.

6 and 11 are... umm.. interesting. What was on your mind?

Cheers,

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:11 AM, WILSON MICHAEL  wrote:
>> On 18 November 2015 at 00:57 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 17 Nov 2015, at 22:08, WILSON MICHAEL  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 16 November 2015 at 06:41 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 16 Nov 2015, at 02:30, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>> >>> Any sightings of The Great Wilsons?
>> >>
>> >> I wasn't far enough north for it to be that grim...
>> >
>> > I was busy making a new set of bicycle rims from stolen lengths of 
>> > tramline.
>> > Built to last, they are.
>> >
>>
>> Why not just nick a bicycle?
>
> D'oh!
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One more thing

[Collin B]

A full-frame camera means new life for those old stereo adapters!
Make your own ViewMaster reels!


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Bruce Walker]

That bark image is sumptuous. Love the textured warmth.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:
> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount 
> of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I 
> felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly.
>
> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|
>
> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon.
>
> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while 
> I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now:
>
>https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>
> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
>
> enjoy!
> G
>
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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you very much, Ann!


On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:25 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> That's a terrific commerical shot Bruce..
> should be in VOgue or something
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2015 9:57 PM, knarf wrote:
>>
>> I must admit, curiosity got the best of me and I Googled Molly and looked
>> at images of her. The tattoos are progressing nicely. Her back is really
>> filling in.
>>
>> I'm not a huge tattoo fan - I don't have a problem with them but neither
>> am I enamored with them. Hers are quite interesting though.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On November 15, 2015 8:40:59 PM EST, Bruce Walker 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Rick.
>>>
>>> Don't know about nana, but her mother's none too pleased, I hear. But
>>> Molly has made it her goal to tattoo her entire body, so Mom is going
>>> to have come to terms with that. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rick Womer 
>>> wrote:

 Excellent, Bruce!

 I wonder what her grandmother thinks about her tattoo...

 Rick

 On Nov 10, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

> Molly Fassbender has a fascination with self-portraits, so I brought
> my little collection of vintage cameras along to our shoot last
> Thursday.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/22923705145/lightbox/
>
> 645Z, DFA645 90mm f:2.8 Macro, f:11, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO, handheld.
>
> One light: Buff 86" extreme silver PLM boomed directly overhead.
>
> Model: Molly Fassbender
> Hair & makeup: Judi Willrich
>
> Comments welcome, as always!
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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Steve Cottrell]

On 18/11/15, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera
>while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are
>there now: 
>
>   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>
>I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything
>about it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera",
>point by point ... and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was
>pondering what was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering
>what I would like to replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is
>that camera.

Nice gallery - you can tell the quality level is stratospheric.

But it is the single most hideous looking camera I have ever seen, and
(as you know) I only ever buy cameras that look cool but bugger all else ;-)


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Re: OT: Solidarité!

[Collin B]

>On 17 Nov 2015, at 19:36, Collin B  wrote:
>
>>> That's the way the Bible works too.
>>> 
>>> B
>> 
>> How so?
>> 
>
>The gospels are a biography constructed around the OT prophecies so that
people would think that Jesus was the predicted Messiah.
>
>B
>

So you view them as suffering confirmation bias instead of as a reasoned
abductive historical conclusion.


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Re: OT: Solidarité!

[Collin B]

>At the risk of oversimplification, Lenin was about the Party,

It is easy, and quite common, to confuse function with worldview. Marxism is
a worldview.  Communism, in its several varieties, is an implementation.  So
is socialism, whether the milder US type or the more stringent system of the
Social Democrats.

Having been schooled in the world of the 1960s along with "Imagine" people
think that communism == communalism (eg "there's never been a communist
state") and living for the moment.  They forget that someone has to enforce
this worldview.  Like Pol Pot & Idi Amin.

>If you think Obama is a Marxist, you live in a world of very strange
definitions indeed.

As a matter of worldview I know of no academic, even on the left, who denies
it.
The only denial is at the popular level.

>We should stick to cameras and looking at pictures here and do our spitting
on people elsewhere.

Actually, I live in a world where people regularly engage in heated yet
dispassionate discussions of such topics.
It's not demeaning to anyone.  But I must remember that not all people are
equally dispassionate.
Sometimes these discussions are taken personally and affect the opinions of
others.
My opinions of those who disagree with me are not at all negative.  I hold
nobody in low regard for political or philosophical reasons.
(For that matter, the two most recent philosophers I've been reading were
Marxists -- Thomas Kuhn & Paul Feyerabend.)

Meanwhile back at the ranch ...

I'm thinking of spending some time in the darkroom this weekend.
Did some tool porn of hand planes this fall and it's time to make some
prints.


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Jack Davis]

Your head cold and excitement are
reflected in your prose, Godfrey.
Enjoy!

J

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> On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:27 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Lovely looking shots - the quality look terrific.
> 
> B
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 08:15, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
>> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
>> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge 
>> amount of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on 
>> introduction day—I felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly. 
>> 
>> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. 
>> :-|
>> 
>> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
>> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon. 
>> 
>> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera 
>> while I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there 
>> now: 
>> 
>>  https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
>> 
>> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
>> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
>> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
>> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
>> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
>> 
>> enjoy! 
>> G
>> 
>> The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
>> 
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

[P.J. Alling]

slaves could never buy their freedom in the US.


That's simply not true.  While it was difficult and due to the way 
Chattel slavery was enforced, the slaves owner would have to give 
permission, but there are quite a few former slaves who bought their 
freedom, and later the freedom of their wives and children.



On 11/17/2015 10:04 PM, knarf wrote:

Whatever or whoever started it, slavery more than thrived once the Brits were 
ousted. Plantation owners weren't exactly turning their backs on all that free 
labour after 1776. In fact it was a necessary part of the plantation system in 
the South; without slaves, American cotton wouldn't have been competitive in 
world markets.

The thing about institutionalized slavery in pre-bellum US is that, unlike most 
other nations where slavery was legal (and there were many) slaves could never 
buy their freedom in the US. There were no free black persons below the Mason - 
Dixon Line by law. That makes US slavery different from every form of slavery 
before or since.

I don't know that Britain can be blamed for that...

Cheers,

frank

On November 17, 2015 5:03:08 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:55 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

I don't know what weed you're smoking but slavery, prior to England
suppressing it was ubiquitous, in human society

I don't smoke.

Slavery may have been "ubiquitous," but it was Britain that brought it
to North America, for the profit of British companies.  That can not
be denied.


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Re: GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Bob W-PDML]

Lovely looking shots - the quality look terrific.

B

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 08:15, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived 
> at the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house 
> and go pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount 
> of effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I 
> felt I owed it to them to pick it up promptly. 
> 
> It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|
> 
> When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
> I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon. 
> 
> This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while 
> I learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now: 
> 
>   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz
> 
> I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about 
> it answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by 
> point … and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what 
> was coming, shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to 
> replace the Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.
> 
> enjoy! 
> G
> 
>  The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
> 
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Re: OT: Solidarité!

[Bob W-PDML]

On 17 Nov 2015, at 19:36, Collin B  wrote:

>> That's the way the Bible works too.
>> 
>> B
> 
> How so?
> 

The gospels are a biography constructed around the OT prophecies so that people 
would think that Jesus was the predicted Messiah.

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GESO 2015 - First Pix with Leica SL - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I had a nasty head cold starting Saturday evening. Monday, my camera arrived at 
the local Leica dealer; it took a lot of energy to get out of the house and go 
pick it up. But my friends at the dealership had put out a huge amount of 
effort to get me a camera as quickly as they could, on introduction day—I felt 
I owed it to them to pick it up promptly. 

It took a lot more energy to write the check and pay for it, I assure you. :-|

When I arrived home, I put the battery on charge and went to bed...
I was finally feeling well enough to go for a walk again Tuesday afternoon. 

This is a link to an album where I'll be posting photos with the camera while I 
learn how to operate it. An initial set of eight photos are there now: 

   https://flic.kr/s/aHskpybYoz

I feel like I've been waiting for this camera for 15 years. Everything about it 
answers my brief, titled "What I'd Like In A Digital Camera", point by point … 
and then some. I wrote the brief in 2000 when I was pondering what was coming, 
shooting with my Nikon F3/T, and wondering what I would like to replace the 
Nikon with in a digital camera. This is that camera.

enjoy! 
G

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