:Re: :Re: Test::

[Alan C]

I first tried with no subject & that worked, then with various characters & 
letters until I found that it worked with one or two colons & then with any 
string in between. "Intelligent" trial & error!


The "boffin" at my ISP said there was nothing wrong with the settings & he 
could see no reason why it shouldn't work. My wife had the same problem so 
the glitch is definitely not at our end. I still suspect something at the 
ISP's server. I sent him an e-mail similar to this so we'll see what he 
finds today.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Walters

Sent: 21 May, 2018 10:47 PM
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Subject: Re: :Re: Test:


On 22 May 2018 at 03:49 Alan C  wrote:


Brian

I discovered the most amazing thing. If I put a colon (:) at the beginning 
&

end of the subject line, it sends just fine.



Very strange indeed.  I have to ask - what made you decide to try that?  By
design or by accident?

Cheers
Brian

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-Original Message- 
From: Brian Walters

Sent: 21 May, 2018 1:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Fw: Test

Hmmm - don't think I can help.  I don't use Windows Live Mail.  For normal
email
I use Thunderbird but for the PDML I use my lyons-ryan domain's web mail 
so

that
list messages don't get mixed up with other mail.

Perhaps there are others who might have a better insight into the issue.

Cheers
Brian



> On 21 May 2018 at 17:19 Alan C  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Alan C

> Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Test
>
> Brian
>
> I'm having e-mail problems.
>
> I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the 
> e-mails

> just vanish.
>
> The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not
> from
> the normal user's @lantic.
>
> I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or
> Ann
> Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a
> couple
> of Bank e-mails too.
>
> At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the
> Subject
> line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.
>
> I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving
> via
> Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.
>
> Perhaps you have some suggestions?
>
>
>
> Alan
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PESO: Lily

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Yes, it is a lily;  an "oriental" variety.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/20/lily

K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
Comments ar invited.

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Re: PESO: White Dogwood

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Rick!

Obviously, I also love dogwoods.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

> Dan, I like it  a lot. Dogwoods are my favorite flowering trees.
>
> Alas, computer problems and work limited my shooting one one down our
> block, on my way to work. Haven't seen the results yet!
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
> > Thanks, Ann.
> >
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:53 PM, ann sanfedele 
> wrote:
> >
> >> That's nice -- better, I think, than the closeup of the rhody...
> >> all about geometry
> >> ann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/14/2018 10:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/
> >>> 13/white-dogwood
> >>>
> >>> K-5 IIs, FA 100 Macro F 2.8
> >>> Comments are invited and appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Dan Matyola
> >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >>>
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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

[ann sanfedele]

triple!  - but I've told him that before :-)

ann

On 5/21/2018 10:59 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On 22 May 2018 at 12:27 Paul Stenquist  wrote:


What Dan said!

Double!

Cheers

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Paul


On May 21, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

You do a great job of pairing images, and it greatly enhances the annual.

Thanks again for your efforts -- and artistic sense.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:


Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Part 3B:

I'm PISSED because Rick Womer and Ted Beilby independently came up with
stunning surrealistic images of chairs, at the opposite ends of the scale,
and filled them with great humor, which was then intensified by Mark's
placing them side by side.

Thanks for noticing and commenting on that. Rick's shot probably
wouldn't have made it into the book without Ted's and vice versa.
People seem to assume that a shot of theirs that doesn't get into the
book has been judged inferior in some way. That's often not the case
at all. A photograph has to "work" in the context of a whole lot of
other images from photographers with wildly varying styles - a very
tricky thing to attempt. Few such pairings are so serendipitous, but
we really put a lot of effort into making the book a cohesive work, at
least as far as such a thing is possible. Sometimes a great part is
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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

[Brian Walters]

> On 22 May 2018 at 12:27 Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> What Dan said!

Double!

Cheers

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> 
> Paul
> 
> > On May 21, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> > 
> > You do a great job of pairing images, and it greatly enhances the annual.
> > 
> > Thanks again for your efforts -- and artistic sense.
> > 
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > 
> > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Mark Roberts 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Part 3B:
> >>> 
> >>> I'm PISSED because Rick Womer and Ted Beilby independently came up with
> >>> stunning surrealistic images of chairs, at the opposite ends of the scale,
> >>> and filled them with great humor, which was then intensified by Mark's
> >>> placing them side by side.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for noticing and commenting on that. Rick's shot probably
> >> wouldn't have made it into the book without Ted's and vice versa.
> >> People seem to assume that a shot of theirs that doesn't get into the
> >> book has been judged inferior in some way. That's often not the case
> >> at all. A photograph has to "work" in the context of a whole lot of
> >> other images from photographers with wildly varying styles - a very
> >> tricky thing to attempt. Few such pairings are so serendipitous, but
> >> we really put a lot of effort into making the book a cohesive work, at
> >> least as far as such a thing is possible. Sometimes a great part is
> >> left out to help achieve a better sum.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[steve harley]

On 2018-05-21 14:14, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I was shocked to see that once again, the lens was not boxed! I refused 
delivery. Called Amazon and told them to see if they could figure out how to 
put lens number three in a box. They will deliver another one tomorrow. We will 
see.



be glad you aren't this guy:



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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

[Paul Stenquist]

What Dan said!

Paul

> On May 21, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> You do a great job of pairing images, and it greatly enhances the annual.
> 
> Thanks again for your efforts -- and artistic sense.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
> 
>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> 
>>> Part 3B:
>>> 
>>> I'm PISSED because Rick Womer and Ted Beilby independently came up with
>>> stunning surrealistic images of chairs, at the opposite ends of the scale,
>>> and filled them with great humor, which was then intensified by Mark's
>>> placing them side by side.
>> 
>> Thanks for noticing and commenting on that. Rick's shot probably
>> wouldn't have made it into the book without Ted's and vice versa.
>> People seem to assume that a shot of theirs that doesn't get into the
>> book has been judged inferior in some way. That's often not the case
>> at all. A photograph has to "work" in the context of a whole lot of
>> other images from photographers with wildly varying styles - a very
>> tricky thing to attempt. Few such pairings are so serendipitous, but
>> we really put a lot of effort into making the book a cohesive work, at
>> least as far as such a thing is possible. Sometimes a great part is
>> left out to help achieve a better sum.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> www.robertstech.com
>> 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

[Daniel J. Matyola]

You do a great job of pairing images, and it greatly enhances the annual.

Thanks again for your efforts -- and artistic sense.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
> >Part 3B:
> >
> >I'm PISSED because Rick Womer and Ted Beilby independently came up with
> >stunning surrealistic images of chairs, at the opposite ends of the scale,
> >and filled them with great humor, which was then intensified by Mark's
> >placing them side by side.
>
> Thanks for noticing and commenting on that. Rick's shot probably
> wouldn't have made it into the book without Ted's and vice versa.
> People seem to assume that a shot of theirs that doesn't get into the
> book has been judged inferior in some way. That's often not the case
> at all. A photograph has to "work" in the context of a whole lot of
> other images from photographers with wildly varying styles - a very
> tricky thing to attempt. Few such pairings are so serendipitous, but
> we really put a lot of effort into making the book a cohesive work, at
> least as far as such a thing is possible. Sometimes a great part is
> left out to help achieve a better sum.
>
>
>
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Re: PESO: White Dogwood

[Paul Stenquist]

I see why. My phone puts  a line break in the url. I’ll look on my computer 
tomorrow.

Paul

> On May 21, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I keep getting page not found on this. Odd.
> Paul
> 
>> On May 21, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan, I like it  a lot. Dogwoods are my favorite flowering trees.
>> 
>> Alas, computer problems and work limited my shooting one one down our
>> block, on my way to work. Haven't seen the results yet!
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>  wrote:
>>> Thanks, Ann.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
 On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:53 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 
 That's nice -- better, I think, than the closeup of the rhody...
 all about geometry
 ann
 
 
 
> On 5/14/2018 10:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/
> 13/white-dogwood
> 
> K-5 IIs, FA 100 Macro F 2.8
> Comments are invited and appreciated.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESO: White Dogwood

[Paul Stenquist]

I keep getting page not found on this. Odd.
Paul

> On May 21, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Dan, I like it  a lot. Dogwoods are my favorite flowering trees.
> 
> Alas, computer problems and work limited my shooting one one down our
> block, on my way to work. Haven't seen the results yet!
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
>> Thanks, Ann.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:53 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's nice -- better, I think, than the closeup of the rhody...
>>> all about geometry
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 5/14/2018 10:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/
 13/white-dogwood
 
 K-5 IIs, FA 100 Macro F 2.8
 Comments are invited and appreciated.
 
 Dan Matyola
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Paul Stenquist]

Gawd. Have to proofread. Reading the listing on my phone I see that if one 
scrolls down past all manner of peripheral information, it says, “packaging may 
reveal contents.” Unbelievable!

Paul

> On May 21, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> ReDing the listing on my phone, I see that if one scrolls down pastcsll 
> manner of peripheral information, it says “packaging may reveal contents.” 
> Unbelievable!
> Paul
> 
>> On May 21, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Steve Sharpe  wrote:
>> 
>> Amazon.ca has the same disclaimer, plus they state that it ships in its 
>> "original packaging"...
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, 21 May 2018 18:30:47 -0400, Mark C wrote:
>>> Paul -
>>> 
>>> I looked at the listing  for the 70-200 on Amazon and noticed that it 
>>> says "*Packaging may reveal contents.*Choose*Conceal Package*at 
>>> checkout."
>>> 
>>> I googled that phrase and found this:
>>> 
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/56jeqt/psa_make_sure_to_request_a_box_when_ordering_from/
>>> 
>>> Maybe it was not the listing you clicked on - there was another form 
>>> focus camera - but maybe its flagged in their shipping instruction 
>>> database as not needing any additional packaging.
>>> 
>>> Good luck
>>> 
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Re: PESO: White Dogwood

[Rick Womer]

Dan, I like it  a lot. Dogwoods are my favorite flowering trees.

Alas, computer problems and work limited my shooting one one down our
block, on my way to work. Haven't seen the results yet!

Rick

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> Thanks, Ann.
>
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:53 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>
>> That's nice -- better, I think, than the closeup of the rhody...
>> all about geometry
>> ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/2018 10:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/
>>> 13/white-dogwood
>>>
>>> K-5 IIs, FA 100 Macro F 2.8
>>> Comments are invited and appreciated.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Paul Stenquist]

ReDing the listing on my phone, I see that if one scrolls down pastcsll manner 
of peripheral information, it says “packaging may reveal contents.” 
Unbelievable!
Paul

> On May 21, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Steve Sharpe  wrote:
> 
> Amazon.ca has the same disclaimer, plus they state that it ships in its 
> "original packaging"...
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 21 May 2018 18:30:47 -0400, Mark C wrote:
>> Paul -
>> 
>> I looked at the listing  for the 70-200 on Amazon and noticed that it 
>> says "*Packaging may reveal contents.*Choose*Conceal Package*at 
>> checkout."
>> 
>> I googled that phrase and found this:
>> 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/56jeqt/psa_make_sure_to_request_a_box_when_ordering_from/
>> 
>> Maybe it was not the listing you clicked on - there was another form 
>> focus camera - but maybe its flagged in their shipping instruction 
>> database as not needing any additional packaging.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Paul Stenquist]

I will stick to B from now on. I saw no notice about original packaging on 
the site but didn’t study it. I’ll see what happens. If it arrives in the 
Pentax box again, I will refuse it at the door.
Paul

> On May 21, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Steve Sharpe  wrote:
> 
> Amazon.ca has the same disclaimer, plus they state that it ships in its 
> "original packaging"...
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 21 May 2018 18:30:47 -0400, Mark C wrote:
>> Paul -
>> 
>> I looked at the listing  for the 70-200 on Amazon and noticed that it 
>> says "*Packaging may reveal contents.*Choose*Conceal Package*at 
>> checkout."
>> 
>> I googled that phrase and found this:
>> 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/56jeqt/psa_make_sure_to_request_a_box_when_ordering_from/
>> 
>> Maybe it was not the listing you clicked on - there was another form 
>> focus camera - but maybe its flagged in their shipping instruction 
>> database as not needing any additional packaging.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Dale H. Cook]

At 04:53 PM 5/21/2018, John wrote:

That's why, whenever possible, I prefer to buy local. Fortunately 
for me, I have a Pentax dealer nearby.


I do as well. I actually have one Pentax dealer in the valley and 
another about 50 miles away. They can sell me Pentax lenses, as well 
as a wide variety of other photographic equipment, for about the same 
price I would pay online, and occasionally I can buy something from 
them for a bit less than I would pay online. I like supporting my 
local dealers and I get to play with the hardware, such as trying a 
lens on my body, before committing to buying it.


Most of what I buy online is nickel-and dime stuff.

Dale H. Cook, many years as 35mm SLR photographer,
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Steve Sharpe]

Amazon.ca has the same disclaimer, plus they state that it ships in its 
"original packaging"...


On Mon, 21 May 2018 18:30:47 -0400, Mark C wrote:
> Paul -
> 
> I looked at the listing  for the 70-200 on Amazon and noticed that it 
> says "*Packaging may reveal contents.*Choose*Conceal Package*at 
> checkout."
> 
> I googled that phrase and found this:
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/56jeqt/psa_make_sure_to_request_a_box_when_ordering_from/
> 
> Maybe it was not the listing you clicked on - there was another form 
> focus camera - but maybe its flagged in their shipping instruction 
> database as not needing any additional packaging.
> 
> Good luck
> 
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Mark C]

Paul -

I looked at the listing  for the 70-200 on Amazon and noticed that it 
says "*Packaging may reveal contents.*Choose*Conceal Package*at checkout."


I googled that phrase and found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/boardgames/comments/56jeqt/psa_make_sure_to_request_a_box_when_ordering_from/

Maybe it was not the listing you clicked on - there was another form 
focus camera - but maybe its flagged in their shipping instruction 
database as not needing any additional packaging.


Good luck

Mark







On 5/21/2018 4:14 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Some may recall that I received a $1600 70-200/2.8 lens form Amazon last week 
that was delivered in the Pentax box with a label stuck on it. I checked the 
autofocus fine tuning and found it way out of range. I called Amazon and told 
them it was defective, and that they can’t ship lenses without packaging. They 
apologized profusely and send a second lens by overnight delivery. The UPS guy 
arrived with the replacement 70-200 about an hour ago. I met him at the door, 
rather than having my son handle it. I was shocked to see that once again, the 
lens was not boxed! I refused delivery. Called Amazon and told them to see if 
they could figure out how to put lens number three in a box. They will deliver 
another one tomorrow. We will see.
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Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

[Mark Roberts]

Paul Sorenson wrote:

>When you go back, if you're a history buff and haven't done this 
>already, stop by the Mission San Juan Bautista and take a look at the 
>18th century barrel organ.  There is an interesting story behind it's 
>being there.

Speaking of missions, did you know that Cotty once built a model of
the Mission at San Luis Obispo out of sugar cubes?

True.

http://www.robertstech.com/quot2004.htm

 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

[Mark Roberts]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

>Part 3B:
>
>I'm PISSED because Rick Womer and Ted Beilby independently came up with
>stunning surrealistic images of chairs, at the opposite ends of the scale,
>and filled them with great humor, which was then intensified by Mark's
>placing them side by side.

Thanks for noticing and commenting on that. Rick's shot probably
wouldn't have made it into the book without Ted's and vice versa.
People seem to assume that a shot of theirs that doesn't get into the
book has been judged inferior in some way. That's often not the case
at all. A photograph has to "work" in the context of a whole lot of
other images from photographers with wildly varying styles - a very
tricky thing to attempt. Few such pairings are so serendipitous, but
we really put a lot of effort into making the book a cohesive work, at
least as far as such a thing is possible. Sometimes a great part is
left out to help achieve a better sum.


 
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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

[ann sanfedele]

Ed - I think we are nicely paired  - sorry I won't get to GFM this year, 
again..

ann


On 5/21/2018 10:32 AM, Ed Keeney wrote:

Dan,

Thanks for the kind words.  I'm just happy to be part of a great
collection of work.



Part 2 of my comments on the annual.

I'm PISSED because I can only get fairly decent shots of beautiful
subjects, while Ann San and Ed Keeney take ugly hunks of walls and make
them into objects of great interest and beauty.

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Re: PESO Red Breasted Flier

[ann sanfedele]

The motion is a part of the story of course!  Lovely shot, Paul as I 
said on facbook.

ann

On 5/20/2018 9:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I come from the photojournalism side, so my goal has always been to tell a 
story. Sometimes that’s about textbook definition. At other times it’s about 
motion, speed, or the environment. Often it’s just about beauty and good times.

Paul


On May 20, 2018, at 9:32 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

My primary intent is to have a clear
absolutely solid image with no
part of the bird soft.
Very satisfying to accomplish.
J



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On May 20, 2018, at 6:14 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I’ve shot many birds against the sky. I prefer to shoot them perching. I fully 
understand exposure.

Paul


On May 20, 2018, at 8:16 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

If you shoot "straight" up at any color
bird in a bright sky, plan on a silhouette.
It's about good light and keeping
track of the angles.
Yes, it will take staying aware and
practice.
Hope you give it a try, Paul.
J
Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I always use TAV and select the app and shutter speed I want. Shooting skyward 
without exposure comp, anything other than a white bird ends up underexposed. 
If one dials in ISO 1250 and bumps the exposure two stops in rendering, the net 
result is ISO 5000. So I figure Im better off going for a conservative shutter 
speed when possible.
Paul


On May 20, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

I set a 1250 ISO and actually get a
good number with decent lighting.
Of course I'm shooting skyward
much of the time.
J

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I wasn’t panning, but I was shooting off a tripod, and he had just launched 
from the suet cage. I rarely have enough light for 1/2000th at f8. But I do 
sometimes go there when shooting hand held, which is rare these days.

Paul


On May 20, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Thanks, Paul. I use a 2000 to 2500
shutter.
Your panning helped for sure.
J


Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

This was 1/640th. I wasn’t planning an in flight shot. Normally I go with 
1/1000th.

Paul


On May 20, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Nice catch, Paul.
What is your chosen shutter speed
for wing shots?
J

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

A woodpecker on the go with a treat for later.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18474189/Red-Breasted-Flier

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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Paul Stenquist]

I never have problems with B, but they were on a religious holiday shutdown. 
No Pentax dealer here at present, but when there was, it was strictly list 
price.

Paul

> On May 21, 2018, at 4:53 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> That's why, whenever possible, I prefer to buy local. Fortunately for me, I 
> have a Pentax dealer nearby.
> 
>> On 5/21/2018 16:24, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> That's so ridiculous.
>> And for me, I ordered two strapping buckles which were sent in a shoebox
>> sized package when they could have used a tiny envelope.
>> G
>>> On May 21, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Paul Stenquist 
>>> wrote:
>>> Some may recall that I received a $1600 70-200/2.8 lens form Amazon last
>>> week that was delivered in the Pentax box with a label stuck on it. I
>>> checked the autofocus fine tuning and found it way out of range. I called
>>> Amazon and told them it was defective, and that they can’t ship lenses
>>> without packaging. They apologized profusely and send a second lens by
>>> overnight delivery. The UPS guy arrived with the replacement 70-200 about
>>> an hour ago. I met him at the door, rather than having my son handle it. I
>>> was shocked to see that once again, the lens was not boxed! I refused
>>> delivery. Called Amazon and told them to see if they could figure out how
>>> to put lens number three in a box. They will deliver another one tomorrow.
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Re: Lightroom CC

[Bob W-PDML]

>> Christine, Bob, I will try to clarify. I slightly misspoke, and also we are 
>> talking about different programs.
>> Too many versions with almost the same name.
>> Old = LR5.x or LR6.x
>> Newer = LR Classic CC[or LR Classic Cheers, 
>> Christine when customized for a particular user?]
>> Newest = LR Creative Cloud aka LR CC
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> In the Newest LR CC which I believe you are contemplating, Bob, I do believe 
>> that all of your images live in the Cloud. Whether you take a shot with your 
>> phone or import to your iPad or download from a card to your desktop, if you 
>> import to LR from any device anywhere, it will go to the Cloud within your 
>> catalogue there. I believe you can back up your images and your catalogue on 
>> your local internal and/or external  drives, but the assumption seems to be 
>> that you are working within the Cloud. When traveling without connectivity, 
>> I assume that the images on your device are just accumulated in a buffer of 
>> sorts and squirted to the Cloud once you are back in the civilized world of 
>> high speed connections. I.e., yes I believe you are right Bob.
>> 
>> One additional note: it is my impression that the newest version, i.e. LR 
>> CC, does not yet have all of the editing tools available in LR Classic CC. I 
>> have no idea what is “missing” and haven’t paid attention as I have no 
>> interest in a total-Cloud solution.
> 
> Yes, this is key!!! With LR CC you DO NOT have access to the Print, Book, 
> Slideshow, and Map Modules.
> 
> I tried to send a response to PDML with the adobe link which has Julianne  
> Kost’s good video on the differences between the Lightroom versions, but it 
> seems to be held up for administrator approval.
> 
Thanks, Stan - you're right about what I'm contemplating.

Christine, with the newest one you can do a slideshow in the app. On the menu 
choose Present.

I've never had a version which has the Map module, so I won't miss it and have 
no idea why I'd want it. I don't recall ever yearning for such a thing.

I've no intention of ever buying a printer again, but it's handy to be able to 
send a fully-worked file to a print-house, so that's something I'd like, with 
soft-proofing. But I haven't done that for over a year. I'd be surprised if 
it's not in the pipeline for the all-cloud version, ditto the book stuff.

I've never done a book, but I would quite like to at some point, so something 
else for me to be aware of.

On the plus side it's easy to send stuff to Wordpress.

I will look for Julianne Kost's video.

Thanks both - very helpful.

Bob
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[John]

That's why, whenever possible, I prefer to buy local. Fortunately for me, I have 
a Pentax dealer nearby.


On 5/21/2018 16:24, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

That's so ridiculous.

And for me, I ordered two strapping buckles which were sent in a shoebox
sized package when they could have used a tiny envelope.

G


On May 21, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

Some may recall that I received a $1600 70-200/2.8 lens form Amazon last
week that was delivered in the Pentax box with a label stuck on it. I
checked the autofocus fine tuning and found it way out of range. I called
Amazon and told them it was defective, and that they can’t ship lenses
without packaging. They apologized profusely and send a second lens by
overnight delivery. The UPS guy arrived with the replacement 70-200 about
an hour ago. I met him at the door, rather than having my son handle it. I
was shocked to see that once again, the lens was not boxed! I refused
delivery. Called Amazon and told them to see if they could figure out how
to put lens number three in a box. They will deliver another one tomorrow.
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Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

[Paul Sorenson]

When you go back, if you're a history buff and haven't done this 
already, stop by the Mission San Juan Bautista and take a look at the 
18th century barrel organ.  There is an interesting story behind it's 
being there.


-p


On 5/21/2018 2:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

:-) Thanks Ann!

It was on the way home, however. I may have to ride back down there to see if a 
similar day presents itself.

I agree, it's not the best. Just a quickie... that's also why it's a 000 
numbering; it's not in my year's PESO sequence, just a one off.

G


On May 21, 2018, at 11:43 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Solution _ grab it on your way home :-)

have to say I agree with John... fine concept but not up to your usual fine 
standards  - you are excused because getting you in shape is more important 
right now!

xo,
ann


On 5/21/2018 1:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
It was a bit of a cheap shot.

The 1x setting on the phone gave too wide a view so I went to the 2x setting.. 
which was a hair too narrow. I should have stuck with 1x and cropped afterwards.

I don't mind it, but wish I had some more head and foot room.

G


On May 21, 2018, at 9:34 AM, John  wrote:

I don't care much for the crop with the top of the far hills and the rear tire 
on the bike both cut off. In fact, I don't think I'd care for a crop where 
either one of them is cut off.


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Re: :Re: Test:

[Brian Walters]

> On 22 May 2018 at 03:49 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
> I discovered the most amazing thing. If I put a colon (:) at the beginning & 
> end of the subject line, it sends just fine.


Very strange indeed.  I have to ask - what made you decide to try that?  By
design or by accident?

Cheers
Brian

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> -Original Message- 
> From: Brian Walters
> Sent: 21 May, 2018 1:35 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Fw: Test
> 
> Hmmm - don't think I can help.  I don't use Windows Live Mail.  For normal 
> email
> I use Thunderbird but for the PDML I use my lyons-ryan domain's web mail so 
> that
> list messages don't get mixed up with other mail.
> 
> Perhaps there are others who might have a better insight into the issue.
> 
> Cheers
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> > On 21 May 2018 at 17:19 Alan C  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: Alan C
> > Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
> > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: Test
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > I'm having e-mail problems.
> >
> > I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the e-mails
> > just vanish.
> >
> > The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not 
> > from
> > the normal user's @lantic.
> >
> > I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or 
> > Ann
> > Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a 
> > couple
> > of Bank e-mails too.
> >
> > At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the 
> > Subject
> > line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.
> >
> > I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving 
> > via
> > Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.
> >
> > Perhaps you have some suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Alan
> >
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Re: :Re: Test:

[Brian Walters]

> On 22 May 2018 at 04:44 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> Brian I use thunderbird for everything... but the PDML mail has it's own 
> folderbased on filters... that's what is so neat about Thunderbird - 
> well one of the things anyway

Yeah - I know.  I could use Thunderbird that way for PDMl but I started using
webmail for the PDML long before I changed to Thunderbird and I just got used to
that way of working.


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> ann
> 
> On 5/21/2018 1:49 PM, Alan C wrote:
> > Brian
> >
> > I discovered the most amazing thing. If I put a colon (:) at the 
> > beginning & end of the subject line, it sends just fine.
> >
> > Alan C
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
> > Sent: 21 May, 2018 1:35 PM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Test
> >
> > Hmmm - don't think I can help.  I don't use Windows Live Mail. For 
> > normal email
> > I use Thunderbird but for the PDML I use my lyons-ryan domain's web 
> > mail so that
> > list messages don't get mixed up with other mail.
> >
> > Perhaps there are others who might have a better insight into the issue.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 21 May 2018 at 17:19 Alan C  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Alan C
> >> Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
> >> To: pdml@pdml.net
> >> Subject: Re: Test
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> I'm having e-mail problems.
> >>
> >> I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the 
> >> e-mails
> >> just vanish.
> >>
> >> The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, 
> >> not from
> >> the normal user's @lantic.
> >>
> >> I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis 
> >> or Ann
> >> Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a 
> >> couple
> >> of Bank e-mails too.
> >>
> >> At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the 
> >> Subject
> >> line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.
> >>
> >> I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or 
> >> receiving via
> >> Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you have some suggestions?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >>
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Re: Amazon did it again!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's so ridiculous. 

And for me, I ordered two strapping buckles which were sent in a shoebox sized 
package when they could have used a tiny envelope. 

G

> On May 21, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Some may recall that I received a $1600 70-200/2.8 lens form Amazon last week 
> that was delivered in the Pentax box with a label stuck on it. I checked the 
> autofocus fine tuning and found it way out of range. I called Amazon and told 
> them it was defective, and that they can’t ship lenses without packaging. 
> They apologized profusely and send a second lens by overnight delivery. The 
> UPS guy arrived with the replacement 70-200 about an hour ago. I met him at 
> the door, rather than having my son handle it. I was shocked to see that once 
> again, the lens was not boxed! I refused delivery. Called Amazon and told 
> them to see if they could figure out how to put lens number three in a box. 
> They will deliver another one tomorrow. We will see.
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Amazon did it again!

[Paul Stenquist]

Some may recall that I received a $1600 70-200/2.8 lens form Amazon last week 
that was delivered in the Pentax box with a label stuck on it. I checked the 
autofocus fine tuning and found it way out of range. I called Amazon and told 
them it was defective, and that they can’t ship lenses without packaging. They 
apologized profusely and send a second lens by overnight delivery. The UPS guy 
arrived with the replacement 70-200 about an hour ago. I met him at the door, 
rather than having my son handle it. I was shocked to see that once again, the 
lens was not boxed! I refused delivery. Called Amazon and told them to see if 
they could figure out how to put lens number three in a box. They will deliver 
another one tomorrow. We will see.
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Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

:-) Thanks Ann! 

It was on the way home, however. I may have to ride back down there to see if a 
similar day presents itself. 

I agree, it's not the best. Just a quickie... that's also why it's a 000 
numbering; it's not in my year's PESO sequence, just a one off. 

G

> On May 21, 2018, at 11:43 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Solution _ grab it on your way home :-)
> 
> have to say I agree with John... fine concept but not up to your usual fine 
> standards  - you are excused because getting you in shape is more important 
> right now!
> 
> xo,
> ann
> 
>> On 5/21/2018 1:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> It was a bit of a cheap shot.
>> 
>> The 1x setting on the phone gave too wide a view so I went to the 2x 
>> setting.. which was a hair too narrow. I should have stuck with 1x and 
>> cropped afterwards.
>> 
>> I don't mind it, but wish I had some more head and foot room.
>> 
>> G
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2018, at 9:34 AM, John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't care much for the crop with the top of the far hills and the rear 
>>> tire on the bike both cut off. In fact, I don't think I'd care for a crop 
>>> where either one of them is cut off.
> 
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Re: PESO: Korhaan - Owner of the Eye

[ann sanfedele]

Reminds me of a road runner.. or a seriema.. I was pretty sure your eye 
was a birds eye.. but it was close


ann

On 5/21/2018 3:23 AM, David Mann wrote:

Interesting little fellow.  I thought it looked a bit like a miniature ostrich.  My wife 
asked if it's a road runner.  My daughter pointed and said "duck duck".

Cheers,
Dave


On May 21, 2018, at 3:59 PM, c...@lantic.net wrote:



A Korhaan ambling across the road near Sable Dam, Kruger Park.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27334586647/ [1]

The male performs an impressive mating ritual which I have never seen
live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI-L1XwGM64

Alan C


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Re: :Re: Test:

[ann sanfedele]

Brian I use thunderbird for everything... but the PDML mail has it's own 
folderbased on filters... that's what is so neat about Thunderbird - 
well one of the things anyway


ann

On 5/21/2018 1:49 PM, Alan C wrote:

Brian

I discovered the most amazing thing. If I put a colon (:) at the 
beginning & end of the subject line, it sends just fine.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Brian Walters
Sent: 21 May, 2018 1:35 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Fw: Test

Hmmm - don't think I can help.  I don't use Windows Live Mail. For 
normal email
I use Thunderbird but for the PDML I use my lyons-ryan domain's web 
mail so that

list messages don't get mixed up with other mail.

Perhaps there are others who might have a better insight into the issue.

Cheers
Brian




On 21 May 2018 at 17:19 Alan C  wrote:




-Original Message- From: Alan C
Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Test

Brian

I'm having e-mail problems.

I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the 
e-mails

just vanish.

The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, 
not from

the normal user's @lantic.

I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis 
or Ann
Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a 
couple

of Bank e-mails too.

At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the 
Subject

line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.

I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or 
receiving via

Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.

Perhaps you have some suggestions?



Alan


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Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

Solution _ grab it on your way home :-)

have to say I agree with John... fine concept but not up to your usual 
fine standards  - you are excused because getting you in shape is more 
important right now!


xo,
ann

On 5/21/2018 1:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

It was a bit of a cheap shot.

The 1x setting on the phone gave too wide a view so I went to the 2x setting.. 
which was a hair too narrow. I should have stuck with 1x and cropped afterwards.

I don't mind it, but wish I had some more head and foot room.

G


On May 21, 2018, at 9:34 AM, John  wrote:

I don't care much for the crop with the top of the far hills and the rear tire 
on the bike both cut off. In fact, I don't think I'd care for a crop where 
either one of them is cut off.



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:Re: Test:

[Alan C]

Brian

I discovered the most amazing thing. If I put a colon (:) at the beginning & 
end of the subject line, it sends just fine.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Walters

Sent: 21 May, 2018 1:35 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Fw: Test

Hmmm - don't think I can help.  I don't use Windows Live Mail.  For normal 
email
I use Thunderbird but for the PDML I use my lyons-ryan domain's web mail so 
that

list messages don't get mixed up with other mail.

Perhaps there are others who might have a better insight into the issue.

Cheers
Brian




On 21 May 2018 at 17:19 Alan C  wrote:




-Original Message- 
From: Alan C

Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Test

Brian

I'm having e-mail problems.

I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the e-mails
just vanish.

The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not 
from

the normal user's @lantic.

I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or 
Ann
Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a 
couple

of Bank e-mails too.

At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the 
Subject

line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.

I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving 
via

Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.

Perhaps you have some suggestions?



Alan


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Re: Lightroom CC

[Christine Aguila]

> On May 21, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> Christine, Bob, I will try to clarify. I slightly misspoke, and also we are 
> talking about different programs.
> Too many versions with almost the same name.
> Old = LR5.x or LR6.x
> Newer = LR Classic CC[or LR Classic Cheers, 
> Christine when customized for a particular user?]
> Newest = LR Creative Cloud aka LR CC
> 
> My chronology may be a bit off, LR Classic CC may well have come along after 
> LR CC, but Old, Newer, Newest equates to degree of integration to the Cloud. 
> As I understand it.
> 
> In the Old LR6.x, if I installed the Mobile App on my iPad, I had the 
> behavior I described above. I.e., I could review/edit/synch material on my 
> iPad. But only images which had been selectively sent to the Cloud from my 
> desktop by indicating/selecting a collection to be synched.
> 
> In the Newer LR Classic CC which you and I are using Christine, yes you can 
> selectively synch new images from your iPad to the Cloud as well as work with 
> images which you have selectively synched from your desktop to the Cloud. 
> Because of connectivity issues while traveling, I have not used this set of 
> features.
> 
> In the Newest LR CC which I believe you are contemplating, Bob, I do believe 
> that all of your images live in the Cloud. Whether you take a shot with your 
> phone or import to your iPad or download from a card to your desktop, if you 
> import to LR from any device anywhere, it will go to the Cloud within your 
> catalogue there. I believe you can back up your images and your catalogue on 
> your local internal and/or external  drives, but the assumption seems to be 
> that you are working within the Cloud. When traveling without connectivity, I 
> assume that the images on your device are just accumulated in a buffer of 
> sorts and squirted to the Cloud once you are back in the civilized world of 
> high speed connections. I.e., yes I believe you are right Bob.
> 
> One additional note: it is my impression that the newest version, i.e. LR CC, 
> does not yet have all of the editing tools available in LR Classic CC. I have 
> no idea what is “missing” and haven’t paid attention as I have no interest in 
> a total-Cloud solution.

Yes, this is key!!! With LR CC you DO NOT have access to the Print, Book, 
Slideshow, and Map Modules.

I tried to send a response to PDML with the adobe link which has Julianne  
Kost’s good video on the differences between the Lightroom versions, but it 
seems to be held up for administrator approval.


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Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It was a bit of a cheap shot. 

The 1x setting on the phone gave too wide a view so I went to the 2x setting.. 
which was a hair too narrow. I should have stuck with 1x and cropped 
afterwards. 

I don't mind it, but wish I had some more head and foot room. 

G

> On May 21, 2018, at 9:34 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> I don't care much for the crop with the top of the far hills and the rear 
> tire on the bike both cut off. In fact, I don't think I'd care for a crop 
> where either one of them is cut off.

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Re: DA 18-55 versions.

[Mark C]

Thanks, Alan. I ordered a WR version from KEH. The price wasn't close to 
what you paid but it is still affordable. Looking forward to testing it out.


Mark

c...@lantic.net wrote:
  


Mark

My DA 18-55 WR is superb. Very sharp & feels good. Better than the
unusually good version of the FA 28-80 I had before. The best thing
about it was the price - a mere $12 because it was "shop soiled",
meaning a bit of damage to the box! I used it exclusively with excellent
results on the K5 during our UK trip last year.

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Re: PESO Red Breasted Flier

[John]

I wondered about that. The red is far below the breast.

On 5/20/2018 16:04, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The correct name is Red-Bellied Woodpecker.

Paul


On May 20, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

A woodpecker on the go with a treat for later.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18474189/Red-Breasted-Flier

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Re: PESO 2018 - A Stop by the Side of the Road - GDG

[John]

I don't care much for the crop with the top of the far hills and the rear tire 
on the bike both cut off. In fact, I don't think I'd care for a crop where 
either one of them is cut off.


On 5/20/2018 21:26, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On the last leg of the way home from Southern California, riding my Moto
Guzzi V7III Racer, I stopped for a few moments rest by San Juan Bautista.
Seemed a good photo opportunity, so I pulled out the iPhone and made a
panorama shot:

https://flic.kr/p/24AU5SQ

This is looking northwest; Highway 101 is directly below, down the hill from
this exit/overpass. It's about halfway between Salinas and Gilroy. Home is
about 35 miles from here... :)

enjoy! G — No matter where you go, go there on a Guzzi.





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Re: test

[Alan C]

Thanks, Dave

-Original Message- 
From: David Mann

Sent: 21 May, 2018 11:56 AM
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Made it this far.

Cheers,
Dave


On May 21, 2018, at 7:26 PM, Alan C  wrote:

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Re: PDML Photo Annual 2018 - Stunning

[Ed Keeney]

Dan,

Thanks for the kind words.  I'm just happy to be part of a great
collection of work.


>Part 2 of my comments on the annual.
>
>I'm PISSED because I can only get fairly decent shots of beautiful
>subjects, while Ann San and Ed Keeney take ugly hunks of walls and make
>them into objects of great interest and beauty.
.
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Re: PESO - lady in red

[Bruce Walker]

Thanks, Jack.

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> I'm with Bruce!
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> This for me is a rare image on two counts: subject is clothed, and the
>>> shot is unretouched.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/41480140124/lightbox/
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing more from the shoot, but I'm afraid this one 
>> just doesn't work for me. The subject herself is just so dark compared to 
>> the background that even the red is hard to see.  The model looks lively, 
>> the pose/shape she made against the background is pleasing, but the only 
>> thing that seems easy to see is the bright background.
>>
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Re: PESO - lady in red

[Bruce Walker]

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> This for me is a rare image on two counts: subject is clothed, and the
>> shot is unretouched.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/41480140124/lightbox/
>
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing more from the shoot, but I'm afraid this one
> just doesn't work for me. The subject herself is just so dark compared to
> the background that even the red is hard to see.  The model looks lively,
> the pose/shape she made against the background is pleasing, but the only
> thing that seems easy to see is the bright background.

I appreciate hearing your reactions, Larry.

My intent was for the model's shape and pose to be largely in
silhouette and have the spotlight pick out her eyes. So the darkness
is intentional.

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Re: Lightroom CC

[Stanley Halpin]

Christine, Bob, I will try to clarify. I slightly misspoke, and also we are 
talking about different programs.
Too many versions with almost the same name.
Old = LR5.x or LR6.x
Newer = LR Classic CC[or LR Classic Cheers, 
Christine when customized for a particular user?]
Newest = LR Creative Cloud aka LR CC

My chronology may be a bit off, LR Classic CC may well have come along after LR 
CC, but Old, Newer, Newest equates to degree of integration to the Cloud. As I 
understand it.

In the Old LR6.x, if I installed the Mobile App on my iPad, I had the behavior 
I described above. I.e., I could review/edit/synch material on my iPad. But 
only images which had been selectively sent to the Cloud from my desktop by 
indicating/selecting a collection to be synched.

In the Newer LR Classic CC which you and I are using Christine, yes you can 
selectively synch new images from your iPad to the Cloud as well as work with 
images which you have selectively synched from your desktop to the Cloud. 
Because of connectivity issues while traveling, I have not used this set of 
features.

In the Newest LR CC which I believe you are contemplating, Bob, I do believe 
that all of your images live in the Cloud. Whether you take a shot with your 
phone or import to your iPad or download from a card to your desktop, if you 
import to LR from any device anywhere, it will go to the Cloud within your 
catalogue there. I believe you can back up your images and your catalogue on 
your local internal and/or external  drives, but the assumption seems to be 
that you are working within the Cloud. When traveling without connectivity, I 
assume that the images on your device are just accumulated in a buffer of sorts 
and squirted to the Cloud once you are back in the civilized world of high 
speed connections. I.e., yes I believe you are right Bob.

One additional note: it is my impression that the newest version, i.e. LR CC, 
does not yet have all of the editing tools available in LR Classic CC. I have 
no idea what is “missing” and haven’t paid attention as I have no interest in a 
total-Cloud solution.

And speaking of tools, as a total aside, one of the very handy new tools within 
LR Classic CC, Dehaze, has now been relocated within the tool panels, it is now 
nestled in-between the Clarity and Vibrance sliders in the Presence panel.

stan 

> On May 20, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stan:
> Today I did some testing on the syncing issue you speak to at the end of your 
> post.  I took a photo in imported it to my iPad Pro via the SD card reader 
> and plugged into the Lightening port.  The frame imported to my camera roll, 
> then I imported into the Mobile Lightroom app.  I then made some tweaks.  
> Then I forced a sync.  I then opened LR Classic Cheers, Christine on my 
> laptop and the frame was synced with the adjustments I made on the iPad Pro.
> 
> It would be great if Godfrey could jump in here and help us clarify issues 
> :-).
> 
> Cheers, Christine 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 20, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Stanley Halpin  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob, my understanding (which may be a year or two out of date) is that the 
>> LR Classic CC (which I use BTW) allows for the Cloud-based storage and synch 
>> of selected Collections from within LR. If you are going to a total 
>> Cloud-based storage system, then that would be Lightroom CC, not Classic. 
>> Which sounds like a wonderful system for those that have uninterrupted 
>> access to high speed wifi. For me, traveling in the jungles of Peru or on 
>> the high seas without good connections or in the UK or EU without having 
>> signed up for a unlimited data plan, it doesn’t make sense. 
>> When traveling, even with good connections to the net, I still don’t synch 
>> via Adobe’s Cloud platform because with LR Classic CC you can only synch and 
>> work on Collections that have been created back home on your desktop or 
>> laptop and sent off into the Cloud. Which would be fine if I wanted to have 
>> access to older images and review/rate/edit in my spare time. But I don’t. 
>> Again note that my understanding may be out-of-date…
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Christine,
>>> 
>>> Thanks. How did you find that out about punch and sharpness? Is there a 
>>> site somewhere that reveals these arcane secrets?
>>> 
>>> It's true for version 6 and earlier that the catalogue must be on a local 
>>> drive, but of course it can't be true* for CC otherwise it wouldn't work 
>>> across devices. The difference is (I assume - I haven't looked into it yet) 
>>> that with CC the catalogue is not a separately locatable thing, from the 
>>> user's point of view.
>>> 
>>> If I decide to subscribe to CC then I will migrate everything. It's easier 
>>> to have everything in one place. Adobe seem fairly generous with the 
>>> 

Re: Fw: Test

[Brian Walters]

Hmmm - don't think I can help.  I don't use Windows Live Mail.  For normal email
I use Thunderbird but for the PDML I use my lyons-ryan domain's web mail so that
list messages don't get mixed up with other mail.

Perhaps there are others who might have a better insight into the issue.

Cheers
Brian



> On 21 May 2018 at 17:19 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Alan C
> Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Test
> 
> Brian
> 
> I'm having e-mail problems.
> 
> I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the e-mails
> just vanish.
> 
> The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not from
> the normal user's @lantic.
> 
> I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or Ann
> Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a couple
> of Bank e-mails too.
> 
> At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the Subject
> line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.
> 
> I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving via
> Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.
> 
> Perhaps you have some suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> Alan 
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Re: Test

[Jack Davis]

Hope it gets worked out and dependable, Alan.

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Alan C
> Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Test
> 
> Brian
> 
> I'm having e-mail problems.
> 
> I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the e-mails
> just vanish.
> 
> The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not from
> the normal user's @lantic.
> 
> I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or Ann
> Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a couple
> of Bank e-mails too.
> 
> At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the Subject
> line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.
> 
> I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving via
> Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.
> 
> Perhaps you have some suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> Alan 
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Re: PESO: Korhaan - Owner of the Eye

[Jack Davis]

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2018, at 12:23 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> Interesting little fellow.  I thought it looked a bit like a miniature 
> ostrich.  My wife asked if it's a road runner.  My daughter pointed and said 
> "duck duck".
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On May 21, 2018, at 3:59 PM, c...@lantic.net wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A Korhaan ambling across the road near Sable Dam, Kruger Park. 
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/Impressive

Very impressive! 
J
>> /27334586647/ [1]
>> 
>> The male performs an impressive mating ritual which I have never seen
>> live.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI-L1XwGM64
>> 
>> Alan C 
>> 
>> 
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Re: test

[David Mann]

Made it this far.

Cheers,
Dave

> On May 21, 2018, at 7:26 PM, Alan C  wrote:
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test

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Re: PESO: Korhaan - Owner of the Eye

[David Mann]

Interesting little fellow.  I thought it looked a bit like a miniature ostrich. 
 My wife asked if it's a road runner.  My daughter pointed and said "duck duck".

Cheers,
Dave

> On May 21, 2018, at 3:59 PM, c...@lantic.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A Korhaan ambling across the road near Sable Dam, Kruger Park. 
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27334586647/ [1]
> 
> The male performs an impressive mating ritual which I have never seen
> live.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI-L1XwGM64
> 
> Alan C 
> 
> 
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Fw: Test

[Alan C]

-Original Message- 
From: Alan C

Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Test

Brian

I'm having e-mail problems.

I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the e-mails
just vanish.

The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not from
the normal user's @lantic.

I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or Ann
Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a couple
of Bank e-mails too.

At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the Subject
line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.

I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving via
Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.

Perhaps you have some suggestions?



Alan 



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Re: Lightroom CC

[Bob W-PDML]

Hi Stan,

Thanks. I'm looking at LR CC, not Classic CC. 

For the time being I'm only thinking about when I travel in Europe, 
predominantly France, where hotels generally have fast enough wifi, so there's 
no need for an unlimited data plan. 

I think, but could be wrong, that if I travel in the wilds, the edits will be 
stored locally and synced when a suitable wifi connection is available, but I 
could still post a snap or two over a phone connection, if one is available.

Bob

> On 21 May 2018, at 00:56, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> Bob, my understanding (which may be a year or two out of date) is that the LR 
> Classic CC (which I use BTW) allows for the Cloud-based storage and synch of 
> selected Collections from within LR. If you are going to a total Cloud-based 
> storage system, then that would be Lightroom CC, not Classic. Which sounds 
> like a wonderful system for those that have uninterrupted access to high 
> speed wifi. For me, traveling in the jungles of Peru or on the high seas 
> without good connections or in the UK or EU without having signed up for a 
> unlimited data plan, it doesn’t make sense. 
> When traveling, even with good connections to the net, I still don’t synch 
> via Adobe’s Cloud platform because with LR Classic CC you can only synch and 
> work on Collections that have been created back home on your desktop or 
> laptop and sent off into the Cloud. Which would be fine if I wanted to have 
> access to older images and review/rate/edit in my spare time. But I don’t. 
> Again note that my understanding may be out-of-date…
> 
> stan
> 
>> On May 20, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> Thanks. How did you find that out about punch and sharpness? Is there a site 
>> somewhere that reveals these arcane secrets?
>> 
>> It's true for version 6 and earlier that the catalogue must be on a local 
>> drive, but of course it can't be true* for CC otherwise it wouldn't work 
>> across devices. The difference is (I assume - I haven't looked into it yet) 
>> that with CC the catalogue is not a separately locatable thing, from the 
>> user's point of view.
>> 
>> If I decide to subscribe to CC then I will migrate everything. It's easier 
>> to have everything in one place. Adobe seem fairly generous with the 
>> storage. I will look into how I can sync automatically with my local storage 
>> for back-up, not use, in case Adobe gets deleted overnight by Russian 
>> hackers.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Bob
>> 
>> *except that it must sit on a server somewhere in the cloud 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 May 2018, at 21:28, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bob:
>>> 
>>> I am a Lightroom Classic CC version 7.3.1 user on my laptop MacBook Pro 
>>> s/Retina 2013 13-inch.
>>> I also have the Lightroom mobile app on my iPad Pro 10 inch and iPhone 6, 
>>> though I have only just started using these, so I’m still learning.
>>> 
>>> Punch equals Clarity +30 and Vibrance +25.
>>> Sharpen for Faces equals Amount 35 and Radius 1.4 and Detail 15 and Masking 
>>> 60
>>> Sharpen for Landscape equals Amount 40 and Radius 0.8 and Detail 35 and 
>>> Masking 0
>>> 
>>> I haven’t migrated a catalogue to the cloud.  I thought catalogues could 
>>> only sit on a drive—external or internal. I think you can export a 
>>> catalogue and import it to an existing catalogue, but if what I just said 
>>> is true, wouldn’t the imported catalogue have to sit on a drive as well?
>>> 
>>> I have Lightroom 6, version 6.14 on my iMac 2011 desktop, but my 
>>> understanding is Adobe is done with the stand alone, and will not be 
>>> offering further updates.  I’m quite undecided about what to do.  Should I 
>>> bring all photos over to the laptop or continue working the two versions?  
>>> What to do?  What to do?
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Christine
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 19, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
 
 What ho!
 
 I’ve just started trialling LR CC on my iPhone, iPad and on my Windows 10 
 laptop alongside classic LR v5. 
 
 The idea is to use my Leica when I’m cycling in France later this year - 
 previously I’ve used my Fuji X20 - import from the SD card into LR on the 
 iPhone, edit, post from LR directly to my Wordpress site. 
 
 So far, so good. That process works quite nicely.
 
 This mobile version of LR is very impressive, easy to use, quick and quite 
 comprehensive. Most of the editing controls that I’m likely to use are 
 quite obvious and simple. The big change that strikes me is the way 
 profiles work, or maybe it’s just the labelling. 
 
 In v5 and earlier my normal process, for colour, has been to use the 
 medium contrast curve, sharpen for landscape or faces as appropriate, and 
 add Punch. That’s it usually- it’s rare that I do much else.
 
 If anyone here is using CC, do you know which settings are the