Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[lrc]

On October 30, 2019 1:21:46 PM PDT, Jos de Fotograaf  
wrote:
>Thanks Larry,
>Some test program as you suggest could do.
>But why getting files from the web and not just files from my K1. Maybe
>
You get them from the k1 and share them on the web so other people can test 
using the same files.

>HDR to make it even larger.
>My catalogue is quite big, around 45k.
>I noticed that importing 20 K1 files takes a certain time, than if I 
>delete them from disk,and repeat the import action, than it goes
>faster. 
>So I have to use fresh files for a test on the same computer.
>Greetz, Jos
>
>
>On 10/30/2019 8:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear group,
>>> I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom
>processing than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD
>>> I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and
>do a comparative test with them.
>>> Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/
>512 or 1000 GB SSD
>>> I will keep the best and send the others back.
>>> But how to test?
>>> I was thinking:
>>>
>>> * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files
>>> * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs
>> I wonder if you good set up a standardized benchmark that you could
>crowdsource. The best would be a set of files that could be downloaded
>and a plug-in.
>>
>> One of the things that I find takes the most time is when I run
>auto-tone on a group of files, then do the first change to the
>exposure.  I am using smart previews.
>>
>> To me the ideal plug-in / script  would:
>>
>> Make sure that it is in the specific test catalog
>> make sure the target directory is empty
>> possibly make sure the test catalog is empty
>>
>> note start time
>> Import a standard set of files
>> note time
>> create smart previews
>> note time
>> auto tone
>> note time
>> Decrease highlights by one large click
>> note time
>> create 1:1 previews
>> note time
>> export full resolution jpegs
>> note time
>>
>> A couple of things that would affect this:
>> The size of the catalog can dramatically affect import times as it
>checks for existing photos
>> it’s not linear, possibly order n^2
>>
>>
>>> Would that be a good approach?
>>>
>>> Or better tests?
>>>
>>> Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos
>>>
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Re: Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

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On October 30, 2019 1:02:08 PM PDT, Jos de Fotograaf  
wrote:
>
>
>Thanks Ralf,
>I have now a Nvidia Geforce GTX. I will dive in the options. Does it 
>mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR?

Double check that Lightroom supports the GPU.

>Greetz, Jos
>
>On 10/29/2019 11:18 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>> Am 28.10.19 um 21:58 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf:
>>
>>> I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom
>processing
>>> than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD
>>
>> Look for a powerful graphics processor. Lightroom uses its number
>> crunching power while rendering thumbnails on import.
>>
>> I have a Mac Mini and a Macbook Pro, both with identical processors
>and
>> RAM sizes but the Macbook has a decent graphics processor. It runs
>> circles around the Mac Mini when I'm importing RAW files.
>>
>> Should be the same on Windoze systems.
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>> -- Ralf R. Radermacher  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
>> Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
>> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
>> Web   : http://www.fotoralf.de
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M 24-35/3.5

[Juan Buhler]

I just got this lens, all the way from Poland, for $130 on eBay.

I'm amazed at how nice it looks on the MX, I wish I had had a copy back
15-20 years ago when the MX was my main camera:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/i8fdkTDxE36NpSg7A

It doesn't look too bad on the A7ii either:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/j8BXPNoaadHwFswb9

With its short focus throw, it seems like a really nice manual lens for the
street, for those days when I don't feel like using an AF one.

Anybody have experience with it on digital?

j

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Re: Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 30.10.19 um 21:02 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf:


Does it
mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR?


Most probably yes.

Ralf

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Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I only know Apple equipment. 

I used a 13" MacBook Pro (2013 and 2014 versions) as well as MacBook Air (2016) 
for some time. All did a fairly good job, the Pro models a bit better due to 
their better graphics cards. 

Lately, I'm transitioning away from using Adobe products and using an iPad Pro 
11" for most of my mobile image processing, using RAW Power in conjunction with 
Photos, and occasionally SnapSeed. 

I have Lightroom v6.14 running on my ancient 2012 Mac mini (fully stuffed and 
with an SSD drive), running macOS Mojave, as my desktop system at home; but 
it's going to be replaced with a new Mac mini running Catalina soon. Once I do 
that, I'll install RAW Power on it too and completely dispense with Adobe 
products. 

G

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Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Thanks Bipin Gupta,
How large are the DNG files that you are processing? (K1?)
greetz, Jos


On 10/30/2019 6:22 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Past 4-years I've been using a 4K (3840x2160 pixels) Toshiba Satellite
P50t-B Laptop with 64 Bit Windows 10, Intel i7 CPU, 20 GB RAM, Dual
Video Cards, 1 TB Fast HD, USB 3, Blu Ray / M-Disc Burner.
I run both Lightroom Classic CC 2019 and Photoshop CC 2019 without any lag.
There are some (49) other Programs and Apps loaded on the Laptop +
Personal Data, Photos. Videos & Music. Currently 136 GB space is Free
on the HD.
Note: Aim for some 22% Free space on the HD to run your Laptop at a
decent speed.
Windows 10 setup on Hi Performance mode.
USB 3 (Laptop) to USB 3 (say WD 4 TB External) is pretty quick.
Booting is fast too. I keep the OS and Registry clean with CCleaner &
Glary Utilities.
Never had any error messages or Blue Screen.
Regards.




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Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Thanks Larry,
Some test program as you suggest could do.
But why getting files from the web and not just files from my K1. Maybe 
HDR to make it even larger.

My catalogue is quite big, around 45k.
I noticed that importing 20 K1 files takes a certain time, than if I 
delete them from disk,and repeat the import action, than it goes faster. 
So I have to use fresh files for a test on the same computer.

Greetz, Jos


On 10/30/2019 8:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

Dear group,
I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than my 
present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD
I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a 
comparative test with them.
Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 
GB SSD
I will keep the best and send the others back.
But how to test?
I was thinking:

* measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files
* or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs

I wonder if you good set up a standardized benchmark that you could 
crowdsource. The best would be a set of files that could be downloaded and a 
plug-in.

One of the things that I find takes the most time is when I run auto-tone on a 
group of files, then do the first change to the exposure.  I am using smart 
previews.

To me the ideal plug-in / script  would:

Make sure that it is in the specific test catalog
make sure the target directory is empty
possibly make sure the test catalog is empty

note start time
Import a standard set of files
note time
create smart previews
note time
auto tone
note time
Decrease highlights by one large click
note time
create 1:1 previews
note time
export full resolution jpegs
note time

A couple of things that would affect this:
The size of the catalog can dramatically affect import times as it checks for 
existing photos
it’s not linear, possibly order n^2



Would that be a good approach?

Or better tests?

Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos

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Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Thanks Ralf,
I have now a Nvidia Geforce GTX. I will dive in the options. Does it 
mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR?

Greetz, Jos

On 10/29/2019 11:18 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 28.10.19 um 21:58 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf:


I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing
than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD


Look for a powerful graphics processor. Lightroom uses its number
crunching power while rendering thumbnails on import.

I have a Mac Mini and a Macbook Pro, both with identical processors and
RAM sizes but the Macbook has a decent graphics processor. It runs
circles around the Mac Mini when I'm importing RAW files.

Should be the same on Windoze systems.

Ralf

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OT: For Banksy Fans

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://banksycaptured.com/


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/banksy-photos-new-book-steve-lazarides_n_5d9f261ae4b087efdba93cb7

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/banksy-theories-street-art_n_5800e5e0e4b0162c043b6ad7?slideshow=true#gallery/55f1b6b9e4b03784e2785273/0


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/banksy-theories-street-art_n_5800e5e0e4b0162c043b6ad7



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Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Larry Colen]

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:
> 
> Dear group,
> I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than 
> my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD
> I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a 
> comparative test with them.
> Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 
> GB SSD
> I will keep the best and send the others back.
> But how to test?
> I was thinking:
> 
> * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files
> * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs

I wonder if you good set up a standardized benchmark that you could 
crowdsource. The best would be a set of files that could be downloaded and a 
plug-in.

One of the things that I find takes the most time is when I run auto-tone on a 
group of files, then do the first change to the exposure.  I am using smart 
previews.

To me the ideal plug-in / script  would:

Make sure that it is in the specific test catalog
make sure the target directory is empty
possibly make sure the test catalog is empty

note start time
Import a standard set of files
note time
create smart previews
note time
auto tone
note time
Decrease highlights by one large click
note time
create 1:1 previews
note time
export full resolution jpegs
note time

A couple of things that would affect this:
The size of the catalog can dramatically affect import times as it checks for 
existing photos
it’s not linear, possibly order n^2


> 
> Would that be a good approach?
> 
> Or better tests?
> 
> Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos
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Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Bipin Gupta]

Past 4-years I've been using a 4K (3840x2160 pixels) Toshiba Satellite
P50t-B Laptop with 64 Bit Windows 10, Intel i7 CPU, 20 GB RAM, Dual
Video Cards, 1 TB Fast HD, USB 3, Blu Ray / M-Disc Burner.
I run both Lightroom Classic CC 2019 and Photoshop CC 2019 without any lag.
There are some (49) other Programs and Apps loaded on the Laptop +
Personal Data, Photos. Videos & Music. Currently 136 GB space is Free
on the HD.
Note: Aim for some 22% Free space on the HD to run your Laptop at a
decent speed.
Windows 10 setup on Hi Performance mode.
USB 3 (Laptop) to USB 3 (say WD 4 TB External) is pretty quick.
Booting is fast too. I keep the OS and Registry clean with CCleaner &
Glary Utilities.
Never had any error messages or Blue Screen.
Regards.

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Re: PESO Injured Warrior

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Dan. As Ken noted, I should have cloned out the twig at upper left. I 
got lazy!

> On Oct 30, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Another great avian portrait.  I like the detail in the plumage and the
> bark.
> 
> Dan Matyola
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> *
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:44 PM Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
> 
>> Looks like this nuthatch may have been in a brawl.
>> 
>> PESO Injured Warrior
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Re: PESO Injured Warrior

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Another great avian portrait.  I like the detail in the plumage and the
bark.

Dan Matyola
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> Looks like this nuthatch may have been in a brawl.
>
> PESO Injured Warrior
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Re: PESO Just Hangin' Out

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Dan. He had just finished eating and leaned back against the tree. I 
love how chipmunks use their front paws much as we use our hands.

Paul

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> Cute critter, cute pose, cute title, excellent image.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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>> “Hey buddy, gotta cigaret?”
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18566835/Just-Hangin-Out
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Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Tnx Stan,
If import and export takes long is not really a bother to me. I took 
that because it is easy to measure in time. But you might be right that 
I am just measure I/O speed. However, during the operation I look at the 
task manager and see that in the beginning of the import process, the 
processor is at maximum  (so faster processor would help?) and later on, 
the memory is at 95% ( so 16 GB iso 8 GB would help?)
I will see if I can find a complicated rendering operation and put it on 
10 pictures together, so the time is long enough for accurate timing

Greetz, Jos
On 10/29/2019 10:30 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Where do you find your present laptop to be a bother? If it is only when you 
import or export, then it would seem that the key design element you need to 
look for is fast I/O bus, USB-C or Thunderbolt 3. And then, yes, test as you 
suggest.
But I don’t know how such a test would tell you anything about using LR to 
process your files. Wouldn’t processing use totally different aspects of the 
system?
In my own experience, I have an older laptop. MacPro, but that doesn’t matter. 
I stopped traveling with it because it was too slow. Where I noticed the 
slowness was e.g. when I had a Grid View, selected a new image, and then 
switched to Develop module. And then waited and waited while a full size 
preview was generated. If I were going to test a new system for relative speed, 
I think some aspect of rendering or processing adjustments might be more 
important that simple I/O tests.
I now use a iPad instead, defer any serious processing until I am back home. 
Even my 3-4 year old iPad is faster than my 10-year old laptop.

stan



On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

Dear group,
I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than my 
present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD
I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a 
comparative test with them.
Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 
GB SSD
I will keep the best and send the others back.
But how to test?
I was thinking:

* measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files
* or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs

Would that be a good approach?

Or better tests?

Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos

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