Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[David Mann]

You can never put too many outlets in a kitchen.  We have a similar arrangement 
to you for the outlets and it's just enough.  One of the outlets has a USB 
charger built-in.  We also have the dishwasher on a switch to prevent little 
fingers from accidentally activating it.

We had our entire switchboard replaced when we installed the kitchen.  Partly 
because the old one contained asbestos and the kitchen work would have require 
drilling into it, but also to get the entire house protected with earth-leakage 
breakers (due again to little fingers).

That dual-voltage system must be a pain in terms of infrastructure.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:33 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Hi! 
> 
> Hmm. Well, we're to code for here. I rebuilt the kitchen in 2016 and 
> everything passed the building inspector afterwards nicely. It failed 
> inspection before I did the job… The building was built in 1973 and had 
> dismal wiring in the condominium units … I've ripped out all the electricals 
> and upgraded everything throughout the condo to modern spec and capabilities. 
> 
> That wall behind the sink now has three standard 110VAC outlets spaced about 
> 1.3m apart to provide power for countertop appliance use, plus the switching 
> for undercabinet lighting and the garbage disposal unit. They're all-weather 
> sealed outlets inside and all properly grounded. I have two more on the 
> opposite side of the kitchen at each end of the other main work counter, and 
> one in the refrigerator nacelle. Each side of the kitchen is a separate 
> circuit with its own breaker protection. There's also the 240VAC high load 
> circuit for the stovetop, convection/microwave oven, and dishwasher on the 
> sink side. I went all out to provide sufficient, safe circuits and power 
> because before I redid the kitchen there was just one 110VAC and one 240VAC 
> circuit for everything, and only two poorly placed outlets.
> 
> A little TMI, I'm sure. I had too much fun designing the kitchen and 
> re-laying-out the electricals for the condo. Never mind all the other 
> projects and upgrades… :D
> 
> G
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> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 12:28 AM, David Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it would be illegal to have electrical sockets that close to a sink 
>> here.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been putzing about the condo today with the camera. 
>>> 
>>> Dining Table - Santa Clara 2020 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYtD
>>> Red Sofa - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2
>>> Mexican Bear - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMCvAE
>>> Kitchen Sink - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYwj
>>> 
>>> All made with Hasselblad 907x and the XCD 21mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ f/8. 
>>> 
>>> Great art...? LOL! But it's fun and I'm getting to know the camera pretty 
>>> well now. 
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Re: PESO: Magnolia Blossom

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Larry.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:14 PM  wrote:

> Very nice, and you did a great job balancing the exposure with the
> background
>
> On April 7, 2020 7:45:49 AM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> wrote:
> >My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love
> >the
> >many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is
> >cooperating,
> >and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and
> >rainy
> >weather after they emerge.
> >
> >http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia
> >
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Re: PESO: Magnolia Blossom

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Very nice, and you did a great job balancing the exposure with the background

On April 7, 2020 7:45:49 AM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love
>the
>many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is
>cooperating,
>and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and
>rainy
>weather after they emerge.
>
>http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia
>
>K-5 IIs, smc FA 100mm MACRO F 2.8
>Comments, suggestions, and criticisms are invited and greatly
>appreciated.
>
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Re: PESO: Magnolia Blossom

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ann and Olga!

Depending on  the age of the blossom and the light, Ann, the petals can
actually  be a bit translucent.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 6:07 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> dan -  nice bokeh - and I like the way the blossom looks almost
> translucent...
>
> I know where to find one close to me..but ot going out until Friday
>
> ann
>
> On 4/7/2020 11:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > Thanks, Alan!
> >
> > Dan Matyola
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> > *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:55 AM Alan C  wrote:
> >
> >> Splendid as usual. You brightened up my day!
> >>
> >> Alan C
> >>
> >> On 07-Apr-20 04:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >>> My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love
> >> the
> >>> many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is
> >> cooperating,
> >>> and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and
> >> rainy
> >>> weather after they emerge.
> >>>
> >>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia
> >>>
> >>> K-5 IIs, smc FA 100mm MACRO F 2.8
> >>> Comments, suggestions, and criticisms are invited and greatly
> >> appreciated.
> >>> Dan Matyola
> >>> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallepry
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Re: Take the long way home

[ann sanfedele]

Love taking the long way in general and enjoyed your whole big set.. 
would have liked to have driven it with you.

Motley crew looks like they are wondering what the hell you are doing there.

ann

On 4/5/2020 3:36 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Friday I worked in Modesto. For those of you who aren’t familiar with 
Central California geography, it’s about 115 miles (180 klicks) and a two hour 
drive away.

In short, I drove two hours there, it took us 4.5 hours to install a rack, and 
after getting an awesome (take out) burger, I was facing a two hour drive home. 
 Fortunately I knew a shortcut over Mount Hamilton, which if I didn’t stop, 
would only take about 3.5 hours.

For Great Glass!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49737476342/in/album-72157713760697808/

At one point, just before going around a turn, I saw this motley looking crew 
standing by the road, so I stopped to photograph them, never getting even 
within 6m, much less 6 feet:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49737457822/in/album-72157713760697808/

I crested the summit just before sunset, and spent another big chunk of time 
photographing in that area as well.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49736618463/in/album-72157713760697808/

For those that are interested: the full set (66 photos) is at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157713760697808


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Re: PESO: Magnolia Blossom

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> On Apr 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love the
> many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is cooperating,
> and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and rainy
> weather after they emerge.
> 
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia 
> 

Lovely!

> 
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Re: PESO: Magnolia Blossom

[ann sanfedele]

dan -  nice bokeh - and I like the way the blossom looks almost 
translucent...


I know where to find one close to me..but ot going out until Friday

ann

On 4/7/2020 11:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks, Alan!

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:55 AM Alan C  wrote:


Splendid as usual. You brightened up my day!

Alan C

On 07-Apr-20 04:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love

the

many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is

cooperating,

and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and

rainy

weather after they emerge.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia

K-5 IIs, smc FA 100mm MACRO F 2.8
Comments, suggestions, and criticisms are invited and greatly

appreciated.

Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 7:21 AM, John  wrote:
> 
>> Red Sofa - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2
> 
> Tell us about the print over the sofa.

Ah:

https://flic.kr/p/2iMXAKD
"Umbrellas, Rain, and Deli-Cious" - Dublin, Ireland 2011
Ricoh GXR-M + Color Skopar 21mm f/4
ISO 1600 @ f/4 @ 1/15 sec

It was one of the last days of my trip to the Isle of Man and Dublin, Ireland 
that year. I was on the way home: I took the last ferry of the season from 
Douglas to Dublin in very rough seas … The big ferry—very lightly loaded—tossed 
like a toothpick on the waves. Everyone on the ship laid on the decks to avoid 
getting seasick and to stop being thrown about. We put in to port late and 
exhausted. 

I had a room at the North Star Hotel booked for two nights, but something had 
clobbered my reservation and on the books I only had one night there, but my 
plane home was flying on the third day. A little negotiation and I upgraded to 
a very nice suite on the upper floor for the duration. I was glad to do it. I 
only made it out of the hotel three times, for about an hour apiece, in the two 
and a half days because of the drenching rains and high winds. 

On one of those excursions, I walked down the block and around the corner onto 
Talbot Street to get a cup of espresso and a pastry. The rain was pouring down, 
but I couldn't help pull out the Ricoh GXR-M to make a couple of shots. It was 
dim, I had to use ISO 1600, and to further add insult to injury this was the 
best exposure and I had to crop it down by about 40% to get what I wanted. 

Later that year, I had this 30-inch wide canvas wrap made as a holiday gift to 
my partner, and it's been on the wall in the living room since. :)

I thought I'd posted it in the PESO 2011 set, but I saw it wasn't there when I 
looked. It is now. ;-)

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Re: PESO: Magnolia Blossom

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Alan!

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:55 AM Alan C  wrote:

> Splendid as usual. You brightened up my day!
>
> Alan C
>
> On 07-Apr-20 04:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love
> the
> > many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is
> cooperating,
> > and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and
> rainy
> > weather after they emerge.
> >
> > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia
> >
> > K-5 IIs, smc FA 100mm MACRO F 2.8
> > Comments, suggestions, and criticisms are invited and greatly
> appreciated.
> >
> > Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO: Magnolia Blossom

[Alan C]

Splendid as usual. You brightened up my day!

Alan C

On 07-Apr-20 04:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love the
many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is cooperating,
and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and rainy
weather after they emerge.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia

K-5 IIs, smc FA 100mm MACRO F 2.8
Comments, suggestions, and criticisms are invited and greatly appreciated.

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Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[Alan C]

We call it Earth Leakage over here. Trips the main switch if any leakage 
to earth (ground) is detected. Can only work with a 3-pin plug. If you 
have an appliance with one of those 2-pin plugs you potentially have no 
protection. Appliances with 2-pin plugs are supposed to be double 
earthed & have all plastic bodies. Like in NZ, a plug may not be near a 
sink or in a bathroom or shower. Stick to the rules & be safe. To be 
safe, stand by generators should have an earth leakage unit on the 
outlet unless they feed the house through a board with such a unit. They 
started installing earth leakage units here in the 1960's after a 
housewife was electrocuted by a washing machine.


Alan

On 07-Apr-20 03:35 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

If you look between the plugs, you will note two small rectangles.  These
are "ground fault" outlets, designed for use near water sources and quite
safe.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:28 AM David Mann  wrote:


I think it would be illegal to have electrical sockets that close to a
sink here.

Cheers,
Dave


On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 

wrote:

I've been putzing about the condo today with the camera.

Dining Table - Santa Clara 2020 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYtD
Red Sofa - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2
Mexican Bear - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMCvAE
Kitchen Sink - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYwj

All made with Hasselblad 907x and the XCD 21mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ f/8.

Great art...? LOL! But it's fun and I'm getting to know the camera

pretty well now.

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PESO: Magnolia Blossom

[Daniel J. Matyola]

My two larger and older Magnolia trees are now in full blossom.  I love the
many colorful flowers they produce.  This year the weather is cooperating,
and they are staying on the trees longer than when we have windy and rainy
weather after they emerge.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/4/7/magnolia

K-5 IIs, smc FA 100mm MACRO F 2.8
Comments, suggestions, and criticisms are invited and greatly appreciated.

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Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[John]

If you squint and look closely, it looks like a GFI (ground fault interrupter) 
outlet.


That's generally "code" in the U.S. for outlets in kitchens, bathrooms & 
outdoors.

I already had a GFI for the one outlet duplex that served my old counter space. 
I installed it when I rewired the house after Hurricane Fran in 1996.


While I was rebuilding the kitchen, I stripped out the old wiring for that 
circuit and put in a heavier gauge wiring so I could add outlets for small 
appliances on the new counter, but the circuit still feeds through that 
"original" GFI.


Just out of curiosity, it that a salt & pepper set that looks like two people 
hugging?


On 4/7/2020 07:33:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Hi!

Hmm. Well, we're to code for here. I rebuilt the kitchen in 2016 and
everything passed the building inspector afterwards nicely. It failed
inspection before I did the job… The building was built in 1973 and had
dismal wiring in the condominium units … I've ripped out all the electricals
and upgraded everything throughout the condo to modern spec and
capabilities.

That wall behind the sink now has three standard 110VAC outlets spaced about
1.3m apart to provide power for countertop appliance use, plus the switching
for undercabinet lighting and the garbage disposal unit. They're all-weather
sealed outlets inside and all properly grounded. I have two more on the
opposite side of the kitchen at each end of the other main work counter, and
one in the refrigerator nacelle. Each side of the kitchen is a separate
circuit with its own breaker protection. There's also the 240VAC high load
circuit for the stovetop, convection/microwave oven, and dishwasher on the
sink side. I went all out to provide sufficient, safe circuits and power
because before I redid the kitchen there was just one 110VAC and one 240VAC
circuit for everything, and only two poorly placed outlets.

A little TMI, I'm sure. I had too much fun designing the kitchen and
re-laying-out the electricals for the condo. Never mind all the other
projects and upgrades… :D

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On Apr 7, 2020, at 12:28 AM, David Mann  wrote:

I think it would be illegal to have electrical sockets that close to a sink
here.

Cheers, Dave


On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

I've been putzing about the condo today with the camera.

Dining Table - Santa Clara 2020 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYtD Red Sofa -
Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2 Mexican Bear - Santa Clara
2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMCvAE Kitchen Sink - Santa Clara 2020 ::
https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYwj

All made with Hasselblad 907x and the XCD 21mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ f/8.

Great art...? LOL! But it's fun and I'm getting to know the camera pretty
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Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[John]

On 4/6/2020 17:33:23, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I've been putzing about the condo today with the camera.

Dining Table - Santa Clara 2020 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYtD
Red Sofa - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2
Mexican Bear - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMCvAE
Kitchen Sink - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYwj

All made with Hasselblad 907x and the XCD 21mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ f/8.

Great art...? LOL! But it's fun and I'm getting to know the camera pretty well 
now.

enjoy,
G
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Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

If you look between the plugs, you will note two small rectangles.  These
are "ground fault" outlets, designed for use near water sources and quite
safe.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:28 AM David Mann  wrote:

> I think it would be illegal to have electrical sockets that close to a
> sink here.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> > On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've been putzing about the condo today with the camera.
> >
> > Dining Table - Santa Clara 2020 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYtD
> > Red Sofa - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2
> > Mexican Bear - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMCvAE
> > Kitchen Sink - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYwj
> >
> > All made with Hasselblad 907x and the XCD 21mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ f/8.
> >
> > Great art...? LOL! But it's fun and I'm getting to know the camera
> pretty well now.
> >
> > enjoy,
> > G
> > —
> > "Only the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world
> are the ones who do."
> >
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Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi! 

Hmm. Well, we're to code for here. I rebuilt the kitchen in 2016 and everything 
passed the building inspector afterwards nicely. It failed inspection before I 
did the job… The building was built in 1973 and had dismal wiring in the 
condominium units … I've ripped out all the electricals and upgraded everything 
throughout the condo to modern spec and capabilities. 

That wall behind the sink now has three standard 110VAC outlets spaced about 
1.3m apart to provide power for countertop appliance use, plus the switching 
for undercabinet lighting and the garbage disposal unit. They're all-weather 
sealed outlets inside and all properly grounded. I have two more on the 
opposite side of the kitchen at each end of the other main work counter, and 
one in the refrigerator nacelle. Each side of the kitchen is a separate circuit 
with its own breaker protection. There's also the 240VAC high load circuit for 
the stovetop, convection/microwave oven, and dishwasher on the sink side. I 
went all out to provide sufficient, safe circuits and power because before I 
redid the kitchen there was just one 110VAC and one 240VAC circuit for 
everything, and only two poorly placed outlets.

A little TMI, I'm sure. I had too much fun designing the kitchen and 
re-laying-out the electricals for the condo. Never mind all the other projects 
and upgrades… :D

G
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> On Apr 7, 2020, at 12:28 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> I think it would be illegal to have electrical sockets that close to a sink 
> here.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been putzing about the condo today with the camera. 
>> 
>> Dining Table - Santa Clara 2020 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYtD
>> Red Sofa - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2
>> Mexican Bear - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMCvAE
>> Kitchen Sink - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYwj
>> 
>> All made with Hasselblad 907x and the XCD 21mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ f/8. 
>> 
>> Great art...? LOL! But it's fun and I'm getting to know the camera pretty 
>> well now. 
 
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Re: PESO 2020 - 057-060 - GDG

[David Mann]

I think it would be illegal to have electrical sockets that close to a sink 
here.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I've been putzing about the condo today with the camera. 
> 
> Dining Table - Santa Clara 2020 ::  https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYtD
> Red Sofa - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYv2
> Mexican Bear - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMCvAE
> Kitchen Sink - Santa Clara 2020 :: https://flic.kr/p/2iMGYwj
> 
> All made with Hasselblad 907x and the XCD 21mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ f/8. 
> 
> Great art...? LOL! But it's fun and I'm getting to know the camera pretty 
> well now. 
> 
> enjoy,
> G
> —
> "Only the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are 
> the ones who do."
> 
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