Re: Pentax going back to film?

[Alan C]

Interesting. I also used an S1a for 15 years until a Coke spill finished 
it off. I replaced the body with a Praktica MTL5B which worked like a 
Spotmatic at a fraction of the price & allowed me to continue using my 
M42 lenses.


Alan C

On 15-Jul-20 05:53 AM, Nolan Hinshaw wrote:

On Jul 14, 2020, at 20:44,   wrote:


Don't think I agree with Larry here - I don't rate myself as any more than an 
adequate photographer, yet I do get some
decent images out of  Pentax gear (even the vintage ones) without having to 
work too hard at it.
All UI's are the brainchild of people who have spent too long at it and trying 
to make it do everything, so it does
nothing really well.  We, the users, just have to work out what is useful to us 
and ignore the rest.

I've done some adequate work with an early S-1a[0] and later a K-1000, both of 
which require that I participate fully in making the shots. I can even 
perpetrate fun with the Holga or the Diana. My K-10d works well enough, but 
unless I'm snapshotting with it, I go mostly manual with exposure and focus. I 
do regret not having acquired the Auto-110 which was for a time available; I'd 
seen just how good decent optics could render on such a small format.

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Re: Pentax going back to film?

[Bill]

On 7/14/2020 4:04 AM, Larry Colen wrote:




On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:41 AM, Toine  wrote:

Pentax fails completely with video options. Everyone is buying canon, sony,
panasonic because they need to shoot video and stills with one system.


The good thing about Pentax is that a technically proficient photographer can 
get extremely good image quality out of the system.

The bad thing about Pentax is that it takes a technically proficient 
photographer to get decent image quality.

The worse thing about Pentax is that the UI designers are dedicated to making 
grossly overpriced point and shoot cameras and do everything they can to get in 
the way of the technically proficient photographer.



Frankly, I think this is horse doodoo. Granted some of the menu options 
are more than a little opaque in what they do, with the owner's manual 
not doing much to quell the confusion. This usually is easily overcome 
with an internet linked device and a search engine.
Otherwise the control layouts are good, the menus are easily navigated 
and for the most part make sense, and the cameras now at least function 
adequately in either automatic or manual modes.
Granted the pre Ricoh cameras needed a lot of assistance in the let's 
make a picture department, but now they seem to work the way they should.
I consider myself to be at least passingly proficient, and don't find 
the cameras at all get in my way.


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RE: Pentax going back to film?

[jcoyle]

Don't think I agree with Larry here - I don't rate myself as any more than an 
adequate photographer, yet I do get some
decent images out of  Pentax gear (even the vintage ones) without having to 
work too hard at it.
All UI's are the brainchild of people who have spent too long at it and trying 
to make it do everything, so it does
nothing really well.  We, the users, just have to work out what is useful to us 
and ignore the rest.

John in Brisbane


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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:41 AM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Pentax fails completely with video options. Everyone is buying canon, sony,
> panasonic because they need to shoot video and stills with one system.

The good thing about Pentax is that a technically proficient photographer can 
get extremely good image quality out of
the system.

The bad thing about Pentax is that it takes a technically proficient 
photographer to get decent image quality.

The worse thing about Pentax is that the UI designers are dedicated to making 
grossly overpriced point and shoot cameras
and do everything they can to get in the way of the technically proficient 
photographer.

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Re: Comet Neowise

[lrc]

It's supposed to keep getting higher in the sky after sunset for about a week

On July 14, 2020 6:46:04 PM PDT, John  wrote:
>It may already be below the horizon at sunrise. I think it's supposed
>to become 
>visible in the evening in a few days.
>
>I hope so. Otherwise, I've missed it.
>
>On 7/14/2020 03:47:23, David Mann wrote:
>> At least you get to try.  When I checked I found that it's only above
>the
>> horizon here for a couple of hours late morning / early afternoon.  I
>haven't
>> looked at its orbit so I don't know whether it's going to move to the
>other
>> side of the sun later.
>> 
>> Cheers, Dave
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:31 AM, John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My first attempt this morning was a bust. Overcast & raining. Bright
>>> sunshine now, but deep dark overcast before sunrise this morning.
>> 
>> 
>
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Re: Pentax going back to film?

[John]

On 7/14/2020 02:50:57, Sandy Harris wrote:

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 8:59 AM John  wrote:



I don't think mirrorless is that product.


I do. As I see it, mirrorless will replace (D)SLRs much as SLRs
replaced rangefinders some decades back. Of course, just as there are
people using rangefinders today & getting fine pictures with them,
there will no doubt be diehards using DSLRs in 2080.

It would be hard for Pentax to compete in the part of the mirrorless
market that most obviously has a future, full-frame. Canon & Nikon are
well established, & the L-mount Alliance (Panasonic, Leica & Sigma)
will be a player. Maybe, though. Pentax had the only mirrorless so far
without a new lens mount; the K-01 took standard K-mount lenses, a
huge advantage both to the shooter & to the manufacturer. It failed to
sell, I think mainly because it lacked a viewfinder. Would a K-02 with
a full-frame sensor & a viewfinder sell? Would it offer any real
advantage over current Pentax models? (I doubt it)



I don't know. I do know that I can't really use any camera without a viewfinder.

My arms are not steady enough and I can't focus on the little TV screen on the 
back while hand holding it.


I can use Live View on the K-1 when I have it mounted on the tripod, but off of 
the tripod I have to be able to hold the viewfinder up to my eye to see anything.




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Re: Comet Neowise

[John]

It may already be below the horizon at sunrise. I think it's supposed to become 
visible in the evening in a few days.


I hope so. Otherwise, I've missed it.

On 7/14/2020 03:47:23, David Mann wrote:

At least you get to try.  When I checked I found that it's only above the
horizon here for a couple of hours late morning / early afternoon.  I haven't
looked at its orbit so I don't know whether it's going to move to the other
side of the sun later.

Cheers, Dave


On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:31 AM, John  wrote:

My first attempt this morning was a bust. Overcast & raining. Bright
sunshine now, but deep dark overcast before sunrise this morning.






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Re: OT bird shots

[Ken Waller]

Beautiful images, some once in a life time captures.

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>Subject: OT bird shots
>
>
>A friend just sent me this link to the Audubon top 100 photos.  It’s not as if 
>I needed my humility reinforced.  There are some very nice photos in the 
>gallery, each photo also has a story about it by the photographer.  
>
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Re: OT bird shots

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent!

Paul

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 5:56 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> so gorgeous.. MANY once in a lifetime shots I'd say... so glad you sent that 
> link, Larry
> ann
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>> On 7/14/2020 5:20 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> Beautiful images, some once in a life time captures.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>>> Subject: OT bird shots
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A friend just sent me this link to the Audubon top 100 photos.  It’s not as 
>>> if I needed my humility reinforced.  There are some very nice photos in the 
>>> gallery, each photo also has a story about it by the photographer.
>>> 
>>> https://www.audubon.org/magazine/summer-2020/the-2020-audubon-photography-awards-top-100?ms=digital-eng-social-facebook-x-20200700_fb_link_-_apa_top_100
>>> 
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Re: OT bird shots

[ann sanfedele]

so gorgeous.. MANY once in a lifetime shots I'd say... so glad you sent 
that link, Larry

ann

On 7/14/2020 5:20 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Beautiful images, some once in a life time captures.

-Original Message-

From: Larry Colen 
Subject: OT bird shots


A friend just sent me this link to the Audubon top 100 photos.  It’s not as if 
I needed my humility reinforced.  There are some very nice photos in the 
gallery, each photo also has a story about it by the photographer.

https://www.audubon.org/magazine/summer-2020/the-2020-audubon-photography-awards-top-100?ms=digital-eng-social-facebook-x-20200700_fb_link_-_apa_top_100


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Re: Pentax going back to film?

[Nolan Hinshaw]

On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:36, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> One of these would test your proficiency:
> 
> https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/7248049374625039/

There's a wag in Oakland, CA who has one and brandishes it in public.

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PESO 2020 - 172 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

As I recover from shoulder surgery and am barely able to lift a camera to my 
eye right now—and it's ill-advised as yet to do so anyway—I'm poking through my 
print and image file archives for interesting photos to post that I've not 
gotten to ...

A few weeks (months?) ago on a walk through the neighborhood, I became 
interested in the micro-graffiti at the traffic signals and other sign posts. 
This was the first: 

Excess :: https://flic.kr/p/2jm2HDD

While I have a couple more, I think I'll pursue this idea further when I can 
more easily carry a camera again. It seems that this level of graffiti is very 
fluid and the same signpost or signal indicator gets wiped clean and re-adorned 
on a regular basis. :)

enjoy!

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Re: Pentax going back to film?

[P. J. Alling]

Actually Sigma has a current production, (last I knew at least), 
mirrorless camera using their proprietary lens mount.  I predicted that 
the release of the K01, without an Eye level finder, and it's world wide 
meh, reception would insure that no one would ever do that again, but I 
was wrong.


Sigma released two beasts, one with a full frame foveon sensor, and a 
little brother with a Cannon "APS-H"* sensor foveon sensor IIRC, which 
had a world wide meh reception, but I won't predict that Sigma won't  
release another of these camera because well, Sigma...


*Not really APS-H but a 1.3 crop 2:3 format, but Cannon called it APS-H 
so I guess we're stuck with it.


On 7/14/2020 2:50 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 8:59 AM John  wrote:


I think the DSLR/SLR camera market is dying ...

Yes.


... what product does Pentax (Ricoh) need to come up with to spark a NEW 
industry?

I don't think a new film camera is going to be that product.

Agreed.


I don't think mirrorless is that product.

I do. As I see it, mirrorless will replace (D)SLRs much as SLRs
replaced rangefinders some decades back. Of course, just as there are
people using rangefinders today & getting fine pictures with them,
there will no doubt be diehards using DSLRs in 2080.

It would be hard for Pentax to compete in the part of the mirrorless
market that most obviously has a future, full-frame. Canon & Nikon are
well established, & the L-mount Alliance (Panasonic, Leica & Sigma)
will be a player. Maybe, though. Pentax had the only mirrorless so far
without a new lens mount; the K-01 took standard K-mount lenses, a
huge advantage both to the shooter & to the manufacturer. It failed to
sell, I think mainly because it lacked a viewfinder. Would a K-02 with
a full-frame sensor & a viewfinder sell? Would it offer any real
advantage over current Pentax models? (I doubt it)

With the camera market shrinking, Nikon & Canon are likely to put most
of their resources (design, manufacture & advertising) into their new
mirrorless lines. Could Pentax carve out a niche as the best DSLR
left? They already are IMHO.


On 7/13/2020 16:18:45, Henk Terhell wrote:

In my opinion an unrealistic suggestion on fstoppers:

https://fstoppers.com/film/plea-pentax-go-back-making-what-you-were-great-499270

Henk



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Re: Pentax going back to film?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The Speed Graphic that I inherited over-taxed my proficiency.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:36 PM Alan C  wrote:

> One of these would test your proficiency:
>
> https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/7248049374625039/
>
> Alan C
>
> On 14-Jul-20 12:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:41 AM, Toine  wrote:
> >>
> >> Pentax fails completely with video options. Everyone is buying canon,
> sony,
> >> panasonic because they need to shoot video and stills with one system.
> > The good thing about Pentax is that a technically proficient
> photographer can get extremely good image quality out of the system.
> >
> > The bad thing about Pentax is that it takes a technically proficient
> photographer to get decent image quality.
> >
> > The worse thing about Pentax is that the UI designers are dedicated to
> making grossly overpriced point and shoot cameras and do everything they
> can to get in the way of the technically proficient photographer.
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Re: Pentax going back to film?

[Alan C]

One of these would test your proficiency:

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/7248049374625039/

Alan C

On 14-Jul-20 12:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:41 AM, Toine  wrote:

Pentax fails completely with video options. Everyone is buying canon, sony,
panasonic because they need to shoot video and stills with one system.

The good thing about Pentax is that a technically proficient photographer can 
get extremely good image quality out of the system.

The bad thing about Pentax is that it takes a technically proficient 
photographer to get decent image quality.

The worse thing about Pentax is that the UI designers are dedicated to making 
grossly overpriced point and shoot cameras and do everything they can to get in 
the way of the technically proficient photographer.

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Re: GESO, and a zine

[Juan Buhler]

Thanks Stan!

It is a really interesting process, and satisfying from begin to end.
Forces you to select the images, sort them in a way that is at least
pleasant, and commit to it. Having tangible results is also great, there's
a difference versus say making a web site, since on the web there's the
feeling that you can change things at any time.

Wow, sorry to hear about the flooding! Sounds like a tough time. 2020 has
been a terrible year hasn't it?  We have a seven month old baby girl, if it
wasn't for her I'd consider 2020 a total waste.

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Re: GESO, and a zine

[Stanley Halpin]

Juan, interesting idea! I ordered a copy to see what the product looks like, 
feels like…
I followed your blog during your expedition, and am glad to see a few images 
from that time.

We have been able to travel quite a bit. Once the covid-19 shutdowns forced 
cancellation of our plans for this year, I settled in to do a few blurb books 
of photos from our travels. Then our house was flooded (27” water throughout) 
and I have spent the last 8 weeks working on recovery. At this point there is 
little more i can do other than wait for contractor estimates so I can see 
whether or not the house can be saved, and was about to start back to work on 
my blurb projects. I had been working with a notion of one “chapter” per 
destination, 4-6 pages, 10-15, sometimes 20 images per chapter. Your zine 
approach has me thinking of alternatives…

Stan


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>> What did you plan to do with the 50 copies you had printed if you hadn't
> thought
>> about selling them?
> 
> This is an excellent question!  Who knows--sometimes you have to run before
> you can walk :)
> 
> I know I'd like people to have them, just wondering where the happy medium
> is between that and cost/hassle, that's all.
> 
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> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:00 AM John  wrote:
> 
 I printed 50 of these, and I want to make new ones a few times per year.
 But now I am wondering what to do with them. Should I sell them? I am
>> not
 really interested in making money off these, but I suppose I should
>> charge
 maybe $5 or $6 to make up my costs at least.
>> 
>> What did you plan to do with the 50 copies you had printed if you hadn't
>> thought
>> about selling them?
>> 
>> I'd like to have one. It would make a nice addition to my coffee table ...
>> if I
>> ever get caught up enough on home repairs that I can reclaim my living room
>> 
>> ... and if the current situation ever gets back to the point it's safe to
>> have
>> visitors come over for coffee.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/11/2020 18:22:29, Juan Buhler wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I recently printed a little magazine with photos, a "zine" like kids
>> these
>>> days call them.
>>> 
>>> Here is a link, click on the photo to see the whole collection of images
>>> included in the zine:
>>> 
>>> https://juanbuhler.com/zine
>>> 
>>> I printed 50 of these, and I want to make new ones a few times per year.
>>> But now I am wondering what to do with them. Should I sell them? I am not
>>> really interested in making money off these, but I suppose I should
>> charge
>>> maybe $5 or $6 to make up my costs at least.
>>> 
>>> Interested to hear your thoughts on this--would you want to get a copy?
>> The
>>> print quality is nice, not quite as good as a book, but nicer than a
>>> magazine. Think of it as a little photographic snack, quick to browse,
>> easy
>>> to digest. Anyway.
>>> 
>>> Many of the photos in there were made with a K5, a K3, and perhaps even
>>> with a K-01. Couple of Canon cameras and a few Leicas thrown in as well,
>>> but hey, nobody is perfect.
>>> 
>>> j
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Behold Vermont, From Above - The New York Times

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“ Finding ongoing sources of creative inspiration is a challenge for any 
artist, and aerial photography has helped broaden the scope of my work. More 
than anything, though, making drone photographs has become a daily practice for 
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Re: Pentax going back to film?

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:41 AM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Pentax fails completely with video options. Everyone is buying canon, sony,
> panasonic because they need to shoot video and stills with one system.

The good thing about Pentax is that a technically proficient photographer can 
get extremely good image quality out of the system.

The bad thing about Pentax is that it takes a technically proficient 
photographer to get decent image quality.

The worse thing about Pentax is that the UI designers are dedicated to making 
grossly overpriced point and shoot cameras and do everything they can to get in 
the way of the technically proficient photographer.

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Re: Pentax going back to film?

[Toine]

Pentax fails completely with video options. Everyone is buying canon, sony,
panasonic because they need to shoot video and stills with one system.

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, 08:51 Sandy Harris,  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 8:59 AM John  wrote:
>
> > I think the DSLR/SLR camera market is dying ...
>
> Yes.
>
> > ... what product does Pentax (Ricoh) need to come up with to spark a NEW
> industry?
> >
> > I don't think a new film camera is going to be that product.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > I don't think mirrorless is that product.
>
> I do. As I see it, mirrorless will replace (D)SLRs much as SLRs
> replaced rangefinders some decades back. Of course, just as there are
> people using rangefinders today & getting fine pictures with them,
> there will no doubt be diehards using DSLRs in 2080.
>
> It would be hard for Pentax to compete in the part of the mirrorless
> market that most obviously has a future, full-frame. Canon & Nikon are
> well established, & the L-mount Alliance (Panasonic, Leica & Sigma)
> will be a player. Maybe, though. Pentax had the only mirrorless so far
> without a new lens mount; the K-01 took standard K-mount lenses, a
> huge advantage both to the shooter & to the manufacturer. It failed to
> sell, I think mainly because it lacked a viewfinder. Would a K-02 with
> a full-frame sensor & a viewfinder sell? Would it offer any real
> advantage over current Pentax models? (I doubt it)
>
> With the camera market shrinking, Nikon & Canon are likely to put most
> of their resources (design, manufacture & advertising) into their new
> mirrorless lines. Could Pentax carve out a niche as the best DSLR
> left? They already are IMHO.
> >
> >
> > On 7/13/2020 16:18:45, Henk Terhell wrote:
> > > In my opinion an unrealistic suggestion on fstoppers:
> > >
> > >
> https://fstoppers.com/film/plea-pentax-go-back-making-what-you-were-great-499270
> > >
> > > Henk
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: PESO: Neowise from the Netherlands

[Toine]

The last one is with the fa200. The first set is the da60 250 at different
focal lengths. The astrotracer moves the ccd and causes some small loss in
resolution.

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, 10:49 Henk Terhell,  wrote:

> Great pictures. Did you use maximum focal length on each?
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2020-07-14 om 10:20 schreef Toine:
> > Another shot from last night:
> > https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1978/lightbox/
> >
> > Next days cloudy and rain...
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 01:32, Toine  wrote:
> >
> >> Hardly visible with the naked eye
> >>
> >> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1973/lightbox/
> >> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1968/lightbox/
> >>
> >> KP DA 60-250 astrotracer 30s ISO400 f4
> >>
> >> Some more tweaking in the morning
> >>
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Re: PESO: Neowise from the Netherlands

[Henk Terhell]

Great pictures. Did you use maximum focal length on each?

Henk

Op 2020-07-14 om 10:20 schreef Toine:

Another shot from last night:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1978/lightbox/

Next days cloudy and rain...

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 01:32, Toine  wrote:


Hardly visible with the naked eye

https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1973/lightbox/
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1968/lightbox/

KP DA 60-250 astrotracer 30s ISO400 f4

Some more tweaking in the morning




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Re: PESO: Neowise from the Netherlands

[Toine]

Another shot from last night:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1978/lightbox/

Next days cloudy and rain...

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 01:32, Toine  wrote:

> Hardly visible with the naked eye
>
> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1973/lightbox/
> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/imgp1968/lightbox/
>
> KP DA 60-250 astrotracer 30s ISO400 f4
>
> Some more tweaking in the morning
>
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Re: Comet Neowise

[David Mann]

At least you get to try.  When I checked I found that it's only above the 
horizon here for a couple of hours late morning / early afternoon.  I haven't 
looked at its orbit so I don't know whether it's going to move to the other 
side of the sun later.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:31 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> My first attempt this morning was a bust. Overcast & raining. Bright sunshine 
> now, but deep dark overcast before sunrise this morning.


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