Re: Just Before Sunset

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It seems to require a smugmug account to view the image.

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On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 9:48 PM Rick Womer  wrote:

> A couple of days ago I took a late afternoon walk in the nearby park. I
> caught this just as the sun was about to disappear.
>
>
> https://www.smugmug.com/app/organize/2023/January-2023/Jan-2023-Miscellany/i-Gnk4XgP
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> https://www.smugmug.com/app/organize/2023/January-2023/Jan-2023-Miscellany/i-Gnk4XgP
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> Comments always appreciated!
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Re: Just Before Sunset

[ann sanfedele]

ooops it disappeared already..
PAGE NOT FOUND thingy

I loved your foggy shots btw..

ann

On 1/11/2023 9:48 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

A couple of days ago I took a late afternoon walk in the nearby park. I caught 
this just as the sun was about to disappear.

https://www.smugmug.com/app/organize/2023/January-2023/Jan-2023-Miscellany/i-Gnk4XgP 


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Just Before Sunset

[Rick Womer]

A couple of days ago I took a late afternoon walk in the nearby park. I caught 
this just as the sun was about to disappear.

https://www.smugmug.com/app/organize/2023/January-2023/Jan-2023-Miscellany/i-Gnk4XgP
 


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Re: How large is too large...

[Doug Brewer]

My current catalog shows a shade over 140K with nary a hiccup, so I 
think you're good.


On 1/11/23 5:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

…for a Lightroom catalog?

Mine has 54,590 images on it today. It seems to work fine (knocking wood); the 
only problem is that the list of folders along the left side is getting rather 
long (one folder per year, since 2005). It is backed up to external drives and 
the cloud.

Am I tempting fate in some way, or should I just roll along happily?

Rick

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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[John Sessoms]

Usenet is also pretty much *DEAD*. The discussion groups have all been 
long ago over-run by TROLLS. There's really no chance of discussing 
anything there.


I was just goofing when I suggested it. 

Facebook is fine, but I don't have an account, so I wouldn't see a PDML 
group there. Hopefully the mail list will continue to suffice.


On 1/10/2023 10:02 PM, Comcast wrote:

I don’t mean to disparage Usenet. Just pointing out that it’s old and now 
somewhat obscure. Email, by the way has benefited from its universality and 
consequently, the continuous refinement of email apps.

Paul


On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:




On Jan 10, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Comcast  wrote:

Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the 
like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather 
inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.


I resemble that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

I looked up RFC 850, and it dates to 1983, so the transition from UUCP to the 
internet is about 40 years old, so it’s not like it’s recent.  One could also 
say a lot of the same things about email (and yes red4est used to get its email 
via dial up uucp and bang path) but it’s not like people tend to disparage 
email as something that people used to do over their phones.

Hmm, the more things change…

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Re: How large is too large...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I will presume that you're talking about Lightroom Classic (or LR 6.14, the 
last perpetual license version) as they are local-storage based versions of 
Lightroom, unlike the later Lightroom CC which is Adobe cloud-storage based. 
Whenever I say LR, I mean Lightroom Classic. :)

As context regards the size question:

I divide my work in LR Classic into two main catalogs: "InProgress" and 
"CompletedWorks". 

- InProgress contains all the original files … raw, JPEG, TIFF, whatever the 
camera or device that made them used as an original file format … along with 
all the derivative products on the way to whatever I called "finished" or 
"completed". 

Whenever I complete a photo, I export it as a 16bit per component TIFF file at 
full resolution for archiving as well as at least two different JPEG renderings 
(one high resolution and one medium resolution) for my standard image posting 
operations. 

- CompletedWorks contains all the output products that I have deemed completed 
… in essence, the archived TIFF masters as well as the various sizes of JPEG 
output files. 

My InProgress catalog at this point in time contains 197,000+ image entities 
(originals, derivatives, and virtual copies) spanning all the time I've been 
using LR (since early 2004, with files imported from as far back as 1995). I 
use this catalog every day and LR Classic seems to have no issues with it. 

That's not the largest catalog I've worked with. I had a job some years back to 
sort and manage another professional photographer's 50 years worth of combined 
film image scans and digital captures. That catalog ended up having more than a 
half million image entities in it, and again had no operational issues. 

The base technology of the LR catalog is SQL Lite, which at its inception was 
intended to be able to contain an arbitrarily large number of records. Since 
then, SQL Lite by definition has acquired some limits but all of those limits 
are much much larger than an LR Classic catalog with a million records in it 
would ever achieve. 

The real key to how big a catalog can get and how useful it can be has much 
more to do with how much and how fast the storage that it is contained on is. 
Big catalogs build big libraries of previews and access them frequently in use, 
so a large catalog should be sited on a large, fast volume with LOTS of free 
space for quick and useful access. 

BTW: I saw someone posted that they store metadata back into the DNG files and 
therefore felt safe that they can reconstruct an LR catalog should the catalog 
crash. Be aware that the metadata that is stored into the DNG files is the 
editing and annotation data, but not anything about virtual copies or the 
organization of collections you might be using inside LR when editing. So, 
while you can reconstruct most of the editing that your original files contain 
that way, you cannot, for instance, reconstruct the five virtual copies of the 
same original with all of the different rendering efforts you put into them. 
You'll only get the one file with the rendering associated with the master file 
in that instance. 

The reason for my CompletedWorks catalog is that it contains exclusively 
completed works that take all the rendering and metadata associated with the 
original files and writes the pixels and metadata together, complete, as 
finished items. I can move those archive files to any editing system at all and 
have at my disposal the work that reflects all the editing time and annotations 
that I put into the originals, complete, independent of LR entirely.

Backup frequently, and use LR's facility to optimize the catalog file when you 
do. You should have no problems with catalogs with a quarter million or more 
image entities in them. 

G

> On Jan 11, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> …for a Lightroom catalog?
> 
> Mine has 54,590 images on it today. It seems to work fine (knocking wood); 
> the only problem is that the list of folders along the left side is getting 
> rather long (one folder per year, since 2005). It is backed up to external 
> drives and the cloud.
> 
> Am I tempting fate in some way, or should I just roll along happily?
> 
> Rick
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Re: PDML - PDFG ?

[John Sessoms]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

A lot of colleges & universities provided students with "news" accounts.

See also: Eternal September

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Eternal%20September

I got a job with a computer company in November 1994 and they introduced 
me to the internet. Before that I had used dial-up message boards (BBS 
systems) and Usenet was very similar. Nowadays that function is kind of 
served by BLOG comments (those blogs that still allow comments).


Many ISPs did away with their "news" servers in the mid-2000s. Time 
Warner did in 2006. Losing those discussion groups was kind of what led 
me to PDML.


But Usenet is mostly dead now, although there is still a good binaries 
group where fans will post Dr Who episodes.


PS: Fun Fact - Usenet was originally invented by a couple of CS grad 
students at Duke University in Durham, NC where I grew up ... so they 
could trade messages with CS grad students over at UNC in Chapel Hill.


On 1/10/2023 5:07 PM, Comcast wrote:

Usenet is a relatively ancient system for posting information, messages and the 
like. It was originally phone based relying on dial up modems. It’s now 
internet based. It’s very basic and straightforward. Although you need an 
access app, you don’t have to subscribe to a service like Facebook. It’s rather 
inelegant but old timers embrace it as a computer geek badge of honor.

Paul


On Jan 10, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

If I knew what a UseNet was it might help ;-)

The PDFG now has 25 members and is an extension of this list - not a 
replacement! I will try and drive traffic to the list where I can, and promote 
the PUG, but to be honest it’s mostly PDML members.

Sent from my flu-ridden bed!

Cot


On 10 Jan 2023, at 21:27, John Sessoms  wrote:

What about starting a Pentax UseNet group?
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Re: How large is too large...

[Alastair Robertson]

do you store files as dng files with the lightroom settings built into the
files?

If so, almost nothing can go wrong, since if you somehow corrupted the
catalog so that it lost files or had metadata conflicts,  a fresh import of
those dng files into a new catalog will reconstruct all the edits and
keywords etc that you have given each image.  Your previews will be gone,
but they will be reconstructed too.  That's the reason I embed the metadata
into DNG  - you are not reliant on the catalog being right.

Alastair



On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 at 11:50, Rick Womer  wrote:

> …for a Lightroom catalog?
>
> Mine has 54,590 images on it today. It seems to work fine (knocking wood);
> the only problem is that the list of folders along the left side is getting
> rather long (one folder per year, since 2005). It is backed up to external
> drives and the cloud.
>
> Am I tempting fate in some way, or should I just roll along happily?
>
> Rick
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Re: How large is too large...

[Larry Colen]

First question, which version of Lightroom are you using?  Adobe is taking 
obfuscation to new heights, since Lightroom became Lightroom Classic, something 
that seems mostly usable to people who have phones and fast internet, but no 
real camera or storage is now Lightroom, plus there are folks still on LR6 so 
they don’t have to pay the monthly ransom ….

> On Jan 11, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> …for a Lightroom catalog?
> 
> Mine has 54,590 images on it today. It seems to work fine (knocking wood); 
> the only problem is that the list of folders along the left side is getting 
> rather long (one folder per year, since 2005). It is backed up to external 
> drives and the cloud.
 
I currently run Lightroom Classic.  I have two main catalogs, “Working” and 
“Everything”.  Every so often I will export all of my “new” photos and recently 
edited photos to a “catchup” catalog, which then gets imported into my 
Everything catalog.  When that is good, I then delete a bunch of stuff from my 
“Working” catalog so that it doesn’t get too big.

I think my working catalog is somewhere between 20,000 & 80,000 images, and my 
everything is upwards of 800,000.   Since I use jf_flickr to upload to flickr, 
and it doesn’t seem to talk between catalogs, I keep most of what I post to 
flickr in my working catalog, so that I can easily update files.

I will also make special purpose catalogs as needed, and import the new/changed 
files back into Everything.

> 
> Am I tempting fate in some way, or should I just roll along happily?

Keep good backups. you can copy your catalog files to another drive  and 
recover to them.  

You shouldn’t have problems with a catalog of that size. As to the length of 
the folder list, you could move the annual files into folders for each decade, 
so you’d have a folder for the oughts, one for the teens, and probably leave 
the twenties in the top level because they’re recent and more likely to be 
accessed.


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How large is too large...

[Rick Womer]

…for a Lightroom catalog?

Mine has 54,590 images on it today. It seems to work fine (knocking wood); the 
only problem is that the list of folders along the left side is getting rather 
long (one folder per year, since 2005). It is backed up to external drives and 
the cloud.

Am I tempting fate in some way, or should I just roll along happily?

Rick

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Re: Today's photos

[lrc]

Nope that is my neighbor, photographed from my back yard

On January 11, 2023 12:38:35 AM PST, Toine  wrote:
>That looks very bad. Is that your house on the edge of the landslide?
>
>Toine
>
>On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 at 09:15, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>> These are mostly documentary rather than artistic, but I played with my
>> camera a bit. I find it interesting how frequently I'll just grab the K-3
>> rather than the K-1 because the zooms I have for it are so much more
>> versatile and are "good enough".  A few days ago when I used the 16-50, and
>> it didn't work at first, I was reminded how important it is that it get
>> used every so often.
>>
>> I apologize for not editing them down further, or processing them better,
>> it's all being done via generator, and the first pass was done on my
>> laptop.  About 5PM PG connected the power lines and we had power, for
>> several minutes.  Since the crews had been working on this incident since
>> 6AM, they're just going to return in the morning.
>>
>> Shot In My Back Yard
>> Just a status of the river.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305166163
>>
>> PG work (my front yard)
>> A couple of big trees came down during the short bit of weather last night
>> and made a pretty big mess. Since they took out primary power lines, and
>> nobody up the road can get power until they are fixed, it was a priority
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305162299
>>
>> Felton
>> On my way home from brekkies I stopped in downtown Felton, things got
>> rather messy there this week.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145465
>>
>> River Grove
>> This neighborhood next to the Covered Bridge is always one of the hardest
>> hit in storms
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145230
>>
>> Shrooms
>> Just about halfway around the block from me, I saw these on my way to
>> brekkies, stopped on my way home
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145080
>>
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Re: Today's photos

[Toine]

That looks very bad. Is that your house on the edge of the landslide?

Toine

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 at 09:15, Larry Colen  wrote:

> These are mostly documentary rather than artistic, but I played with my
> camera a bit. I find it interesting how frequently I'll just grab the K-3
> rather than the K-1 because the zooms I have for it are so much more
> versatile and are "good enough".  A few days ago when I used the 16-50, and
> it didn't work at first, I was reminded how important it is that it get
> used every so often.
>
> I apologize for not editing them down further, or processing them better,
> it's all being done via generator, and the first pass was done on my
> laptop.  About 5PM PG connected the power lines and we had power, for
> several minutes.  Since the crews had been working on this incident since
> 6AM, they're just going to return in the morning.
>
> Shot In My Back Yard
> Just a status of the river.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305166163
>
> PG work (my front yard)
> A couple of big trees came down during the short bit of weather last night
> and made a pretty big mess. Since they took out primary power lines, and
> nobody up the road can get power until they are fixed, it was a priority
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305162299
>
> Felton
> On my way home from brekkies I stopped in downtown Felton, things got
> rather messy there this week.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145465
>
> River Grove
> This neighborhood next to the Covered Bridge is always one of the hardest
> hit in storms
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145230
>
> Shrooms
> Just about halfway around the block from me, I saw these on my way to
> brekkies, stopped on my way home
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145080
>
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Today's photos

[Larry Colen]

These are mostly documentary rather than artistic, but I played with my camera 
a bit. I find it interesting how frequently I'll just grab the K-3 rather than 
the K-1 because the zooms I have for it are so much more versatile and are 
"good enough".  A few days ago when I used the 16-50, and it didn't work at 
first, I was reminded how important it is that it get used every so often.

I apologize for not editing them down further, or processing them better, it's 
all being done via generator, and the first pass was done on my laptop.  About 
5PM PG connected the power lines and we had power, for several minutes.  
Since the crews had been working on this incident since 6AM, they're just going 
to return in the morning.

Shot In My Back Yard
Just a status of the river.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305166163

PG work (my front yard)
A couple of big trees came down during the short bit of weather last night and 
made a pretty big mess. Since they took out primary power lines, and nobody up 
the road can get power until they are fixed, it was a priority
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305162299

Felton
On my way home from brekkies I stopped in downtown Felton, things got rather 
messy there this week.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145465

River Grove
This neighborhood next to the Covered Bridge is always one of the hardest hit 
in storms
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145230

Shrooms
Just about halfway around the block from me, I saw these on my way to brekkies, 
stopped on my way home
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720305145080

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