Snowdrop

2024-03-03 Thread Comcast
The snowdrops bloomed yesterday. As I’ve done for many a year, I got down on 
the ground — more or less — and photographed a bloom. k-1, DFA 100/2.8 macro, 
f13 1/250th.  
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ewfysku994twcsd9puqoe/snowdrop.24.jpg?rlkey=csl5k56dysa7eqgjdu7so7udb=0
Paul
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Brian Walters


On 3/03/2024 8:01 pm, Henk Terhell wrote:

More news on the Pentax film camera:
https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW

As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the 
shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one.


Same here.  All of this discussion reminded me that I have an old (very 
old!) Olympus Pen half frame around somewhere.  If I can work up enough 
enthusiasm, I might try it out for old time's sake - assuming it still 
works. I think it dates from around 1959.


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Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

2024-03-03 Thread Doug Brewer

I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready.

On 3/3/24 6:08 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Thanks, Doug.  I’d love to “pick your brain”!

Church and a memorial service ate up today. Tomorrow is pretty clear;
mid-to-late morning or after 2 in the afternoon would be best for me.




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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill



On 3/3/2024 4:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Very few of my fantasies are likely, that doesn't make them much less fun, it 
just means that they remain fantasies rather than becoming memories.


You just described my experience with girls while I was a teenager.

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Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

2024-03-03 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Doug.  I’d love to “pick your brain”!

Church and a memorial service ate up today. Tomorrow is pretty clear;
mid-to-late morning or after 2 in the afternoon would be best for me.



On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 13:20 Doug Brewer  wrote:

> Rick, I'm home working on some edits. Drop me an email if you like and
> I'd be glad to offer what guidance I can.
>
> On 3/3/24 11:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
> > I have been using Lightroom since 2005, and it has worked well. There are
> > over 50,000 photos in my library. Last week I upgraded the Mac OS to
> Sonoma
> > 14.1.2, and upgraded LrC to 13.1.
> >
> > All hell broke loose. Since the upgrades LrC simply doesn't work:
> opening a
> > library opens only a fraction of the photos it contains, and those cannot
> > be edited. When I try to import new photos from an SD card, LrC
> re-imports
> > existing photos from the catalog along with some of the new ones; and
> once
> > they're "imported" neither I nor the Finder can't find them.
> >
> > I removed LrC 13.1 and re-installed it, but the problem persists. Disk
> > Utility finds no problems, and my other apps are running without
> problems.
> >
> > Advice that leads to restoring a usable LrC will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Larry Colen



> On Mar 3, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR 
>> and replace the focusing screen with a sensor.  The viewfinder would be 
>> electronic, and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or 
>> cheap snaps, but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame 
>> of film.
>> 
> This would require a sea change in their camera philosophy and a tremendous 
> cash outlay available for throwing burning hundred dollar bills out the 
> window.
> 
> Neither is likely.

Very few of my fantasies are likely, that doesn't make them much less fun, it 
just means that they remain fantasies rather than becoming memories.

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill



On 3/3/2024 2:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


You mean that there are people who think that photography is actually fun?


Some of us still do it for the joy of doing it rather than treating it 
as some sort of chore where we need to post one masterpiece per day in 
Instagram.





I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind 
that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already 
comfortable with.

I'm inclined to suggest that one of the biggest advantages of film is that 
every frame does cost money, it is what forces you to slow down and think about 
each shot.

If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR and 
replace the focusing screen with a sensor.  The viewfinder would be electronic, 
and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or cheap snaps, 
but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame of film.

This would require a sea change in their camera philosophy and a 
tremendous cash outlay available for throwing burning hundred dollar 
bills out the window.


Neither is likely.

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill



On 3/3/2024 11:49 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 03.03.24 um 18:39 schrieb Doug Brewer:

Grain is indeed part of the allure.


In an earlier life, I used to shoot expired Tri X at 3200 and process 
it in Diafine, mostly because it was cheap and simple. You don't get 
much grainier than that.


Ralf



I used to rate Kodak Recording film at either 3200 or 6400 for similar 
effect.


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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Larry Colen



> On Mar 3, 2024, at 9:29 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote:
>> As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less 
>> capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops 
>> precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film 
>> work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal 
>> whatsoever. Am I missing something here?
>> Paul
> 
> Yeah, you are not in the target market for a half frame P camera just like 
> the target market for this camera is interested in a view camera.

I remember when I was a kid all of the anti-drug propaganda that was made by 
adults who were desperately trying to send out messages that were "cool", and 
failing miserably.

I also look at every fashion trend that I think is incredibly lame, but which 
is the hot buzz, from wearing trousers hanging so low that half your underwear 
is visible to "stanced" cars, that I think is incredibly lame, but nonetheless 
is "cool".  

I can't tell whether this is a case of Ricoh cluelessly trying to be cool, my 
being clueless at what actually is cool, or both. There is a lot to be said in 
favor of the not just being a 'me too' company and trying new things.  I 
personally would prefer a K-1 III, and I'd also prefer a UI that put less 
effort into being a large heavy expensive point and shoot, and more into making 
it easier to get the best possible raw file. Unfortunately, once again, I am 
not what large companies perceive as their target market, otherwise I would 
have been able to find a sporty rear wheel drive hatchback (estate or shooting 
brake) car that gets >35MPG on the freeway, has a manual transmission and 
doesn't have all sorts of "features" where the car does things that the driver 
doesn't explicitly tell it to do.
> 
> Over on the Forum of Pentax this camera is getting quite a bit of buzz from 
> people who still treat photography as a fun experiment.

You mean that there are people who think that photography is actually fun?

> 
> I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind 
> that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already 
> comfortable with.

I'm inclined to suggest that one of the biggest advantages of film is that 
every frame does cost money, it is what forces you to slow down and think about 
each shot.

If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR and 
replace the focusing screen with a sensor.  The viewfinder would be electronic, 
and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or cheap snaps, 
but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame of film.

> 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 03.03.24 um 18:39 schrieb Doug Brewer:

Grain is indeed part of the allure.


In an earlier life, I used to shoot expired Tri X at 3200 and process it 
in Diafine, mostly because it was cheap and simple. You don't get much 
grainier than that.


Ralf

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill:
I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic 
behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target 
market is already comfortable with.


Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film from 
top to bottom and a very odd shape of the camera.


There has apparently been a market for vertical frame cameras long 
before mobile phone photography. Remember those 645 rangefinders from 
Bronica (or Mamiya) in the late 80s or 90s?


Ralf

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Doug Brewer

Grain is indeed part of the allure.

On 3/3/24 10:51 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 03.03.24 um 16:16 schrieb Bob W PDML:
Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people 
who are using it for fun.


If shooting grainy photos is fun then let them have it. :-)

Ralf


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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill



On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote:

As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable 
of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. 
The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 
6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing 
something here?
Paul


Yeah, you are not in the target market for a half frame P camera just 
like the target market for this camera is interested in a view camera.


Over on the Forum of Pentax this camera is getting quite a bit of buzz 
from people who still treat photography as a fun experiment.


I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic 
behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market 
is already comfortable with.


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Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

2024-03-03 Thread Doug Brewer
Rick, I'm home working on some edits. Drop me an email if you like and 
I'd be glad to offer what guidance I can.


On 3/3/24 11:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

I have been using Lightroom since 2005, and it has worked well. There are
over 50,000 photos in my library. Last week I upgraded the Mac OS to Sonoma
14.1.2, and upgraded LrC to 13.1.

All hell broke loose. Since the upgrades LrC simply doesn't work: opening a
library opens only a fraction of the photos it contains, and those cannot
be edited. When I try to import new photos from an SD card, LrC re-imports
existing photos from the catalog along with some of the new ones; and once
they're "imported" neither I nor the Finder can't find them.

I removed LrC 13.1 and re-installed it, but the problem persists. Disk
Utility finds no problems, and my other apps are running without problems.

Advice that leads to restoring a usable LrC will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Darren Addy
My take is this: Pentax has a history of zigging while others are
zagging.The demographic of the majority of those getting into film today
are people who have been raised knowing nothing but digital - those to whom
film is something new and different. (It's the Dr. Seuss book Star-Bellied
Sneetches.)

If Pentax is offering a half-frame in digital, it is because it will give
them an advantage over the majority of existing film cameras: twice the
number of shots on a roll of film. This obviously reduces the cost of film
& developing by 50% for those using half-frames. Vintage half frames aren't
going to have the ease of use of a new Pentax model - if prospective buyers
even know that they exist.

Also, many today are living in a hybrid world of film and digitizing. Who
knows what other things Ricoh/Pentax are dreaming up to potentially meld
those two worlds?

A small market is effectively a large market if you have it almost entirely
to yourself.

Respectfully,
Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM mike wilson  wrote:

>
> > On 03/03/2024 15:04 GMT Comcast  wrote:
> >
> >
> > As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less
> capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops
> precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film
> work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal
> whatsoever. Am I missing something here?
> > Paul
>
> Not being (or wanting to be) part of the in crowd?
>
> >
> > > On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> > >
> > > More news on the Pentax film camera:
> > > https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW
> > >
> > > As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the
> shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one.
> > >
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread mike wilson

> On 03/03/2024 15:04 GMT Comcast  wrote:
> 
>  
> As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable 
> of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. 
> The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally 
> on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I 
> missing something here?
> Paul

Not being (or wanting to be) part of the in crowd?

> 
> > On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> > 
> > More news on the Pentax film camera:
> > https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW
> > 
> > As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the 
> > shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one.
> >
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Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

2024-03-03 Thread Rick Womer
I have been using Lightroom since 2005, and it has worked well. There are
over 50,000 photos in my library. Last week I upgraded the Mac OS to Sonoma
14.1.2, and upgraded LrC to 13.1.

All hell broke loose. Since the upgrades LrC simply doesn't work: opening a
library opens only a fraction of the photos it contains, and those cannot
be edited. When I try to import new photos from an SD card, LrC re-imports
existing photos from the catalog along with some of the new ones; and once
they're "imported" neither I nor the Finder can't find them.

I removed LrC 13.1 and re-installed it, but the problem persists. Disk
Utility finds no problems, and my other apps are running without problems.

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 03.03.24 um 16:16 schrieb Bob W PDML:

Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are 
using it for fun.


If shooting grainy photos is fun then let them have it. :-)

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bob W PDML
> Am I missing something here?

Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are 
using it for fun.

> On 3 Mar 2024, at 15:07, Comcast  wrote:
> 
> As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less 
> capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops 
> precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work 
> was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal 
> whatsoever. Am I missing something here?
> Paul
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>> 
>> More news on the Pentax film camera:
>> https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW
>> 
>> As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf 
>> is not fair to these to invest in a new one.
>> 
>> Henk
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Comcast
As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable 
of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. 
The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 
6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing 
something here?
Paul

> On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> More news on the Pentax film camera:
> https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW
> 
> As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf 
> is not fair to these to invest in a new one.
> 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Steve Cottrell
More on PetaPixel:

https://petapixel.com/2024/02/29/pentaxs-brand-new-film-camera-will-lauch-this-summer/



> On 3 Mar 2024, at 09:01, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> More news on the Pentax film camera:
> https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW
> 
> As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf 
> is not fair to these to invest in a new one.
> 
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A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Henk Terhell

More news on the Pentax film camera:
https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW

As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the 
shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one.


Henk
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