Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
On 7/15/2016 3:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: Igor, I am yet to hear someone tell me that my camera is nice. Which, I am telling you, will be met with a wide smile... However, more than once I was told that I must be professional photographer or that my pictures look professional. This is always met with a strong denial. However, I oftentimes use: "Oh no, it is my gear that is so good at making pictures" lame excuse that fascinatingly works more often than not. Modern age common culture is built upon progressive disregard of human factor and hence reliance of gear/automatics/you name it. This goes hand in hand with my ongoing rant about the UI on cameras, particularly the K-1, being optimized for someone who wants an $1800 point and shoot. As more people transfer the technical skill set from the photographer to the camera the quality of the camera becomes more critical for more people to get decent photos. I have noticed that it takes far less skill to get decent dance photos with the K-1 than it did with the K100. And it was darn near impossible with the K100 and the kit lens. Are you sure this isn't just the technology having taken somewhat of a quantum leap of improvement over the past 10 years? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Boris Liberman wrote: Igor, I am yet to hear someone tell me that my camera is nice. Which, I am telling you, will be met with a wide smile... However, more than once I was told that I must be professional photographer or that my pictures look professional. This is always met with a strong denial. However, I oftentimes use: "Oh no, it is my gear that is so good at making pictures" lame excuse that fascinatingly works more often than not. Modern age common culture is built upon progressive disregard of human factor and hence reliance of gear/automatics/you name it. This goes hand in hand with my ongoing rant about the UI on cameras, particularly the K-1, being optimized for someone who wants an $1800 point and shoot. As more people transfer the technical skill set from the photographer to the camera the quality of the camera becomes more critical for more people to get decent photos. I have noticed that it takes far less skill to get decent dance photos with the K-1 than it did with the K100. And it was darn near impossible with the K100 and the kit lens. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Igor PDML-StR wrote: It is not an urban legend, I've heard it many times myself, as John put it: "from well intentioned people who want to say something complementary, but don't quite have a clue." Yep, Dan, that's one of the variations I've heard. Usually this situation happens in a setting where people are far away from anywhat serious photography. One of typical situations was from the dancers after they saw photos from a recent dance event. (And I suspect Larry may have heard similar phrasing in a similar situation.) Yeah, that's one of the contexts where I've heard it. On the flip side when Nicole was racing at Daytona, we were waiting in the bar for a table at one of the chain restaurants. I had her K-r with one of the larger lenses on it, and was reviewing some of my photos from the day on the back screen. The bartender looks at me and says something like "That's a big camera, are you compensating for something?". I turn to her and say, "No, I compensate for that with skill". By her reaction, it was pretty obvious that wasn't the reply she was expecting. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
"Modern age common culture is built upon progressive disregard of human factor and hence reliance of gear/automatics/you name it". Boris, you've hit the nail on the head. When I started out in analytical chemistry half a century ago, one needed very good bench skills to get acceptable results. Today, analysts don't even need to know much about chemistry - the "machines" do all the work. The golden age of chemistry has passed. Long live the "nice" cameras. Alan C -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 6:23 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys) Igor, I am yet to hear someone tell me that my camera is nice. Which, I am telling you, will be met with a wide smile... However, more than once I was told that I must be professional photographer or that my pictures look professional. This is always met with a strong denial. However, I oftentimes use: "Oh no, it is my gear that is so good at making pictures" lame excuse that fascinatingly works more often than not. Modern age common culture is built upon progressive disregard of human factor and hence reliance of gear/automatics/you name it. Boris On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... Preamble: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I (and probably some PDMLers) have always been ... maybe "somewhat frustrated" is the right word here. (And I understand that they are just trying to say something nice, without realizing how awkward it sounds.) At some point, I had been happy to find (a few years ago) a nice joking response to that: "Your food is delicious, you must have a great stove (or pot, skilet...)!" Today, I realized that many people on PDML (myself included) frequently show a photo, admiringly discussing the lens (or camera) it was taken with. Ghm... Maybe I shouldn't be frustrated about people saying what appears to be awkward... And then I thought that while cooking, sometimes I enjoy a very good knife or a very nice set of skillets we bought several years ago. ... or a convenient tea-pot for brewing tea that we've found after long search for what we needed. Or that electric tea kettle that has been chugging along for 15 years. ... and several other tools and items that are made well and work well. ... But, I still feel awkward about "you must have a nice camera!" Maybe because those knives and skillets don't make me a better cook, and my camera doesn't make me a better photographer. They only help me being more effective (and efficient) in what I can do. So, I guess that awkward feeling comes from the subconsious realization that "you must have a nice camera!" undervalues my skills in favor of the equipment. ... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Igor, I am yet to hear someone tell me that my camera is nice. Which, I am telling you, will be met with a wide smile... However, more than once I was told that I must be professional photographer or that my pictures look professional. This is always met with a strong denial. However, I oftentimes use: "Oh no, it is my gear that is so good at making pictures" lame excuse that fascinatingly works more often than not. Modern age common culture is built upon progressive disregard of human factor and hence reliance of gear/automatics/you name it. Boris On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... > > Preamble: > How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): > "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". > I (and probably some PDMLers) have always been ... maybe "somewhat > frustrated" is the right word here. > (And I understand that they are just trying to say something nice, without > realizing how awkward it sounds.) > At some point, I had been happy to find (a few years ago) a nice joking > response to that: "Your food is delicious, you must have a great stove (or > pot, skilet...)!" > > Today, I realized that many people on PDML (myself included) frequently show > a photo, admiringly discussing the lens (or camera) it was taken with. > Ghm... Maybe I shouldn't be frustrated about people saying what appears to > be awkward... > > And then I thought that while cooking, sometimes I enjoy a very good knife > or a very nice set of skillets we bought several years ago. ... or a > convenient tea-pot for brewing tea that we've found after long search for > what we needed. Or that electric tea kettle that has been chugging along for > 15 years. ... and several other tools and items that are made well and work > well. > > ... But, I still feel awkward about "you must have a nice camera!" > > Maybe because those knives and skillets don't make me a better cook, and my > camera doesn't make me a better photographer. They only help me being more > effective (and efficient) in what I can do. > So, I guess that awkward feeling comes from the subconsious realization > that "you must have a nice camera!" undervalues my skills in favor of the > equipment. > > ... > Igor > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Well Mark, I think you're the only one who hasn't heard it. On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Igor PDML-StR wrote: > >> >> >>Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... >> >>Preamble: >>How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know >>closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". > > I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's > Urban Legend. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
I hear that from time to time but usually in regards to photos that have an obvious technical challenge to them - like super macros, snow flake photos, etc. I think people realize that there is a technical challenge and translate that to requiring sophisticated equipment - so I never miss the point to explain to them that those photos were made with relatively ordinary gear. Regarding knives and skillets - a not so popular former member of this list years ago remarked something to the effect of "If you enjoy a fantastic meal do you call the chef to your table and compliment him on the quality of his pots and pans?" That's a quote that often comes to my mind - both when visiting camera stores and when dining out! Mark On 7/10/2016 3:40 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... Preamble: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I (and probably some PDMLers) have always been ... maybe "somewhat frustrated" is the right word here. (And I understand that they are just trying to say something nice, without realizing how awkward it sounds.) At some point, I had been happy to find (a few years ago) a nice joking response to that: "Your food is delicious, you must have a great stove (or pot, skilet...)!" Today, I realized that many people on PDML (myself included) frequently show a photo, admiringly discussing the lens (or camera) it was taken with. Ghm... Maybe I shouldn't be frustrated about people saying what appears to be awkward... And then I thought that while cooking, sometimes I enjoy a very good knife or a very nice set of skillets we bought several years ago. ... or a convenient tea-pot for brewing tea that we've found after long search for what we needed. Or that electric tea kettle that has been chugging along for 15 years. ... and several other tools and items that are made well and work well. ... But, I still feel awkward about "you must have a nice camera!" Maybe because those knives and skillets don't make me a better cook, and my camera doesn't make me a better photographer. They only help me being more effective (and efficient) in what I can do. So, I guess that awkward feeling comes from the subconsious realization that "you must have a nice camera!" undervalues my skills in favor of the equipment. ... Igor --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Bob W-PDML wrote: >On 10 Jul 2016, at 20:56, Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> Igor PDML-StR wrote: >>> >>> Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... >>> >>> Preamble: >>> How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know >>> closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". >> >> I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's >> Urban Legend. > >That must be because you don't have nice photos... I like to think it's I have more educated friends ;-) -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
It was said to me just last week, after giving my daughter-in-law a DVD of photos of her son playing soccer! Incidentally, they were all taken with an *ist-D and the Pentax 28-105, using sequential shooting and continuous autofocus, and only one (out of 30) had failed to catch the right focus point. Not bad for a 12-year old camera of which it was said that it was useless for sports! John in Brisbane > Igor PDML-StR wrote: > >> >> >> Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... >> >> Preamble: >> How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know >> closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". > > I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's > Urban Legend. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
I heard it as recently as last weekend... -p On 7/10/2016 2:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... Preamble: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's Urban Legend. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Never personally heard it. Occasionally I get this quip when out filming: 'That camera looks very heavy'. To which I reply: 'It is'. Or: 'Make sure you get my best side' (Reply: 'That'll be your backside then?') -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Har! I wish I could see Mark's and Bob's faces when Bob said that! [Big Grin] Igor Bob W-PDML Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:49:46 -0700 wrote: On 10 Jul 2016, at 20:56, Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... Preamble: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's Urban Legend. That must be because you don't have nice photos... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
I think its because people take pictures with a cell phone and are disappointed that its not the same quality as a DSLR. Also I would take it as a compliment and a recognition of technical Skills as Bob says. People don't know the differences. They see a good image and think that a good camera must have been used because their experience with equipment is not the same. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
On 10 Jul 2016, at 20:56, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Igor PDML-StR wrote: > >> >> >> Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... >> >> Preamble: >> How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know >> closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". > > I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's > Urban Legend. > That must be because you don't have nice photos... I've heard it several times. I don't interpret it as meaning the camera is responsible for the shots, but as an acknowledgement of the technical quality compared to run-of-the-mill stuff, and as an expectation that someone whose pictures are good would use good equipment. I'd expect a good enthusiastic amateur cook to have good knives and pans, even if they're not Mauviel. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
It is not an urban legend, I've heard it many times myself, as John put it: "from well intentioned people who want to say something complementary, but don't quite have a clue." Yep, Dan, that's one of the variations I've heard. Usually this situation happens in a setting where people are far away from anywhat serious photography. One of typical situations was from the dancers after they saw photos from a recent dance event. (And I suspect Larry may have heard similar phrasing in a similar situation.) And, I am thinking, Mark might be right: (I am rephrasing and expanding here) the proliferation of mediocre snapshots on FB & Instagram from cell phone cameras (and bombardment of ads promoting those) -- especially in the rather challenging light dance floor conditions -- might be contributing to the response of the people in question. BTW, Paul and Mark, I think, one of the reasons you haven't heard that is that in my situation, - I was a participant of those non-photographic events (i.e. I was dancing, taking dance lessons, etc.). This creates a different reference point: When you come to an event primarily as a photographer, people expect you to have "professional gear" and produce good photos. To further support that idea of such "compartmentalization", - I can say that in a few cases where I was starting a social dance from taking photos, and then dancing, I had the reaction (from people who had not known me prior to that): "Wow, you also dance?! I thought you were only taking photos here!" - However, - my thoughts were not much about judging people who say that awkward phrase (I am not obsessed about it). (Afterall, I am sure, at some point, I said something awkward in the areas where I am rather ignorant.) That part was just a "preamble". Rather, - my focus was on a sudden realization that when I am (or someone else is) saying that a certain lens allowed to take this great photo, I am saying a very similar thing. And that, seemingly paradoxical situation, got me to pause and think. And then I got that paradox resolved as described in the original post. And it is that "paradox" and the "resolution" of it that I wanted to share. Thanks for everybody's response that helped me to (hopefully) clarify this. Cheers, Igor Daniel J. Matyola Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:34:07 -0700 wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, steve harley wrote: i've heard it in almost those exact words at least twice On several occasions, I have heard a slightly more polite version of it: "Great Photo! What kind of camera do you have?" On Sun, 10 Jul 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... Preamble: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I (and probably some PDMLers) have always been ... maybe "somewhat frustrated" is the right word here. (And I understand that they are just trying to say something nice, without realizing how awkward it sounds.) At some point, I had been happy to find (a few years ago) a nice joking response to that: "Your food is delicious, you must have a great stove (or pot, skilet...)!" Today, I realized that many people on PDML (myself included) frequently show a photo, admiringly discussing the lens (or camera) it was taken with. Ghm... Maybe I shouldn't be frustrated about people saying what appears to be awkward... And then I thought that while cooking, sometimes I enjoy a very good knife or a very nice set of skillets we bought several years ago. ... or a convenient tea-pot for brewing tea that we've found after long search for what we needed. Or that electric tea kettle that has been chugging along for 15 years. ... and several other tools and items that are made well and work well. ... But, I still feel awkward about "you must have a nice camera!" Maybe because those knives and skillets don't make me a better cook, and my camera doesn't make me a better photographer. They only help me being more effective (and efficient) in what I can do. So, I guess that awkward feeling comes from the subconsious realization that "you must have a nice camera!" undervalues my skills in favor of the equipment. ... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 4:31 PM, John wrote: > I think the best response in > that case is to just say "Thank you", and let it slide. > Sage Advice! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, steve harley wrote: > i've heard it in almost those exact words at least twice On several occasions, I have heard a slightly more polite version of it: "Great Photo! What kind of camera do you have?" It really means the some thing. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
On 7/10/2016 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... Preamble: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's Urban Legend. I've heard it, from well intentioned people who want to say something complementary, but don't quite have a clue. I think the best response in that case is to just say "Thank you", and let it slide. More recently, since it's become kind of a meme, it's usually been from another photographer getting in a sly dig. In which case I might respond "Yes, and I took the time to learn how to use it." -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
On 2016-07-10 13:55 , Mark Roberts wrote: Igor PDML-StR wrote: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's Urban Legend. i've heard it in almost those exact words at least twice -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Paul Stenquist wrote: >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> Igor PDML-StR wrote: >>> >>> Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... >>> >>> Preamble: >>> How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know >>> closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". >> >> I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's >> Urban Legend. >> >It sounds familiar of course, but Im not sure if Ive actually heard it. I >think its been implied in comments regarding my work. But I dont obsess >about it. Doesnt really matter. I think the proliferation of smartphone cameras is making it increasingly less likely for people to think this way. As everyone takes more photos they learn just how difficult it is to take really good ones, regardless of equipment. In fact, Apple's "Taken with an iPhone" ad campaign may be having the opposite effect of that intended: Instead of thinking "Gosh, I can take pictures that good" people think "I've seen tons of my friends' photos taken with that phone and none of them are anywhere near as good. Maybe photography's more about the person holding the camera than it is about the camera itself". -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It sounds familiar of course, but I’m not sure if I’ve actually heard it. I think it’s been implied in comments regarding my work. But I don’t obsess about it. Doesn’t really matter. Paul > On Jul 10, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Igor PDML-StR wrote: > >> >> >> Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... >> >> Preamble: >> How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know >> closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". > > I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's > Urban Legend. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: "You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > >Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... > >Preamble: >How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know >closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I have heard this precisely zero times. I think it's a photographer's Urban Legend. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
"You must have a nice camera!": Results vs. Tools (or Toys)
Something just hit me, provoking this line of thoughts... Preamble: How many times have you heard (usually from people you don't know closely): "You've got nice photos, you must have a nice camera!". I (and probably some PDMLers) have always been ... maybe "somewhat frustrated" is the right word here. (And I understand that they are just trying to say something nice, without realizing how awkward it sounds.) At some point, I had been happy to find (a few years ago) a nice joking response to that: "Your food is delicious, you must have a great stove (or pot, skilet...)!" Today, I realized that many people on PDML (myself included) frequently show a photo, admiringly discussing the lens (or camera) it was taken with. Ghm... Maybe I shouldn't be frustrated about people saying what appears to be awkward... And then I thought that while cooking, sometimes I enjoy a very good knife or a very nice set of skillets we bought several years ago. ... or a convenient tea-pot for brewing tea that we've found after long search for what we needed. Or that electric tea kettle that has been chugging along for 15 years. ... and several other tools and items that are made well and work well. ... But, I still feel awkward about "you must have a nice camera!" Maybe because those knives and skillets don't make me a better cook, and my camera doesn't make me a better photographer. They only help me being more effective (and efficient) in what I can do. So, I guess that awkward feeling comes from the subconsious realization that "you must have a nice camera!" undervalues my skills in favor of the equipment. ... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.