Re: June PUG is up

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 07.06.24 um 23:09 schrieb John Sessoms:


I can get C-41 processed (at least 35mm C-41), but I've got a 
refrigerator full of E-6, 120 & 4x5 films.


Processing C-41 yourself in any format is easy, in my book easier than 
b/w because you don't need endless tables of dilutions, times and 
temperatures. With C-41, everything is done with the same parameters. It 
can be done at home with little more than a developing tank, a bucket of 
warm water, a thermometer and the C-41 chemicals.


E6, however, is another thing, not least because it requires very tight 
temperature control. If there is no local lab to process it you will 
have to send it in for processing.


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Re: June PUG is up

[John Sessoms]

On 6/6/2024 1:01 PM, Bob W PDML wrote:


Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/


Unfortunately I suspect the number of contributors will continue to decline.

It's been 2 1/2 years since I picked up a Pentax (except for yesterday when
I charged up the K5 and checked that it still appeared to be in working order).

I was never a frequent contributor to the PUG, but during that time there have
been a few galleries where I would have been tempted to submit something.
I know I'm not the only PDMLer who has, for various reasons, switched to a
different brand. I may be using an Olympus now, but I still think of myself
as a PDMLer; I haven't even looked for an Olympus User's Group I could join.


I bet there are quite a few old puggers who, like me, still have some of their 
old film gear.

A couple of years ago I resurrected my old MX and decided to submit to the PUG 
to keep the camera active.

Shooting film these days is a whole different kettle of beeswax to the old 
days, because it’s so expensive. But it also makes it very different from 
shooting digital, and makes best use of those old but amazing lenses.

So I’d encourage anyone who still has some Pentax film gear, even if they’re 
not shooting Pentax digital, to push a roll of film through once a month and 
somehow make whatever you get fit a PUG theme.
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I'd love to do that, but my resources for getting the film processed 
have shrunk so drastically. I've got film and I've got cameras I want to 
use, but there's no where locally I can get the film processed.


I can get C-41 processed (at least 35mm C-41), but I've got a 
refrigerator full of E-6, 120 & 4x5 films.


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Re: Pentax WG-8 and WG-1000

[Larry Colen]

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 11:55 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 07/06/2024 07:47 BST Henk Terhell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The new WG-8 may be an attractive pocket camera, though it doesn't have RAW.
>> Compared to competitors, a major advantage of these new camera's is that 
>> pictures thereof may be placed on PUG.
>> 
>> https://www.dpreview.com/news/0404722783/ricoh-pentax-wg-8-and-wg-1000-waterproof-compacts
> 
> A waterproof Pentax compact is one of the few cameras I have bought new as my 
> daughter was, at the time, very interested in playing in water.  The plan was 
> to use it to document her progress through swimming lessons and various 
> adventures in waterparks and the sea.
> 
> Imagine my pleasure when the waterproofing failed on its second outing, for 
> no discernable reason.

That is arguably much better than it failing two days after the warranty 
expired.

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Re: Pentax WG-8 and WG-1000

[mike wilson]

> On 07/06/2024 07:47 BST Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
>  
> The new WG-8 may be an attractive pocket camera, though it doesn't have RAW.
> Compared to competitors, a major advantage of these new camera's is that 
> pictures thereof may be placed on PUG.
> 
> https://www.dpreview.com/news/0404722783/ricoh-pentax-wg-8-and-wg-1000-waterproof-compacts

A waterproof Pentax compact is one of the few cameras I have bought new as my 
daughter was, at the time, very interested in playing in water.  The plan was 
to use it to document her progress through swimming lessons and various 
adventures in waterparks and the sea.

Imagine my pleasure when the waterproofing failed on its second outing, for no 
discernable reason.
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Pentax WG-8 and WG-1000

[Henk Terhell]

The new WG-8 may be an attractive pocket camera, though it doesn't have RAW.
Compared to competitors, a major advantage of these new camera's is that 
pictures thereof may be placed on PUG.


https://www.dpreview.com/news/0404722783/ricoh-pentax-wg-8-and-wg-1000-waterproof-compacts

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Re: New photos on line

[Bob W PDML]

https://youtu.be/f3gIid5pHlc?si=Yj_OZXIGQu_c72ZZ


> On 6 Jun 2024, at 23:28, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Only a Brit could ever write these words in such close proximity.
> 
>> On 31 May 2024, at 04:38, mike wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> much more intimate.  Especially with a Llama.
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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

[Henk Terhell]

Perhaps also legal cover for their AI database.
It doesn't bother me as I never store my pictures on Adobe cloud.

For years I have avoided their subscription model. However, with their 
recent progress in software I'm pleased now to have their latest 
versions of LR and FP for 10 euro/month .


Henk

Op 2024-06-06 om 19:59 schreef Larry Colen:
There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about 
this section of Adobe licensing: 4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely 
for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, 
you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, 
license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, 
create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and translate the 
Content. For example, we may sublicense our right to the Content to 
our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and 
Software to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos 
with others. Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any 
Feedback that you provide to us. 4.3 Ownership. As between you and 
Adobe, you (as a Business User or a Personal User, as applicable) 
retain all rights and ownership of your Content (or where applicable, 
you must ensure that you or the Business (as applicable) have a valid 
license to the Content). We do not claim any ownership rights to your 
Content. I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content 
with other services so that you can, for example, post photos you keep 
on their servers to other sites like facebook. Thoughts? -- Larry 
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RE: June PUG is up

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From: Bob W PDML wrote:

I bet there are quite a few old puggers who, like me, still have some of their 
old film gear. 

A couple of years ago I resurrected my old MX and decided to submit to the PUG 
to keep the camera active. 

Shooting film these days is a whole different kettle of beeswax to the old 
days, because it’s so expensive. But it also makes it very different from 
shooting digital, and makes best use of those old but amazing lenses. 

So I’d encourage anyone who still has some Pentax film gear, even if they’re 
not shooting Pentax digital, to push a roll of film through once a month and 
somehow make whatever you get fit a PUG theme.
-

I still have an MX, LX & K2DMD. From time to time I put a roll of film through 
them, simply because I like the feel of them and the lenses I bought many years 
ago still do a good job. 

I record the everyday ordinary and it's interesting to see how areas change in 
a way you don't see day to day. It doesn't often fit any theme at all but I'll 
happily enjoy those who submit images which do.

Malcolm


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Re: New photos on line

[Steve Cottrell]

Only a Brit could ever write these words in such close proximity.

> On 31 May 2024, at 04:38, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> much more intimate.  Especially with a Llama.


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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

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Am 06.06.24 um 23:13 schrieb l...@red4est.com:

Thoughts? Or adobe?


Thoughts about Adobe.

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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

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On June 6, 2024 1:39:28 PM PDT, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>Am 06.06.24 um 19:59 schrieb Larry Colen:
>> Thoughts?
>
>Thank Heavens I have nothing to do with them anymore.

Thoughts? Or adobe?
>
>Ralf
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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 06.06.24 um 19:59 schrieb Larry Colen:

Thoughts?


Thank Heavens I have nothing to do with them anymore.

Ralf

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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

[paul stenquist]

These squabbles don’t bother me. PhotoShop is my lifeblood, and it has been for 
25 years. I use the cloud version for about ten bucks a month,  and  I don’t 
store anything on Adobe servers. I use my own storage and Dropbox. What’s more, 
PhotoShop gets better every year. No complaints.
Paul

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about this 
> section of Adobe licensing:
> 4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or 
> improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, 
> royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, 
> distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and 
> translate the Content. For example, we  may sublicense our right to the 
> Content to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and 
> Software to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with 
> others. Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you 
> provide to us. 
> 
> 4.3 Ownership. As between you and Adobe, you (as a Business User or a 
> Personal User, as applicable) retain all rights and ownership of your Content 
> (or where applicable, you must ensure that you or the Business (as 
> applicable) have a valid license to the Content). We do not claim any 
> ownership rights to your Content.
> 
> 
> I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content with other 
> services so that you can, for example, post photos you keep on their servers 
> to other sites like facebook.  
> 
> Thoughts?  
> 
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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

[Mark Roberts]

It calls to mind an old gem from the PDML quotations list (I forget what year): 
"Any harm I can do Adobe will be done with a song in my heart" - Mike Wilson

Jun 6, 2024 1:59:19 PM Larry Colen :

> There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about this 
> section of Adobe licensing:
> 4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or 
> improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, 
> royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, 
> distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and 
> translate the Content. For example, we  may sublicense our right to the 
> Content to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and 
> Software to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with 
> others. Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you 
> provide to us.
> 
> 4.3 Ownership. As between you and Adobe, you (as a Business User or a 
> Personal User, as applicable) retain all rights and ownership of your Content 
> (or where applicable, you must ensure that you or the Business (as 
> applicable) have a valid license to the Content). We do not claim any 
> ownership rights to your Content.
> 
> 
> I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content with other 
> services so that you can, for example, post photos you keep on their servers 
> to other sites like facebook. 
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
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Adobe Brouhaha

[Larry Colen]

There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about this 
section of Adobe licensing:
4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving 
the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, 
royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, 
distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and 
translate the Content. For example, we  may sublicense our right to the Content 
to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and Software 
to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with others. 
Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you provide 
to us. 

4.3 Ownership. As between you and Adobe, you (as a Business User or a Personal 
User, as applicable) retain all rights and ownership of your Content (or where 
applicable, you must ensure that you or the Business (as applicable) have a 
valid license to the Content). We do not claim any ownership rights to your 
Content.


I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content with other services 
so that you can, for example, post photos you keep on their servers to other 
sites like facebook.  

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Re: June PUG is up

[Bob W PDML]

>> 
>> Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
> 
> Unfortunately I suspect the number of contributors will continue to decline.
> 
> It's been 2 1/2 years since I picked up a Pentax (except for yesterday when
> I charged up the K5 and checked that it still appeared to be in working 
> order).
> 
> I was never a frequent contributor to the PUG, but during that time there have
> been a few galleries where I would have been tempted to submit something.
> I know I'm not the only PDMLer who has, for various reasons, switched to a
> different brand. I may be using an Olympus now, but I still think of myself
> as a PDMLer; I haven't even looked for an Olympus User's Group I could join.

I bet there are quite a few old puggers who, like me, still have some of their 
old film gear. 

A couple of years ago I resurrected my old MX and decided to submit to the PUG 
to keep the camera active. 

Shooting film these days is a whole different kettle of beeswax to the old 
days, because it’s so expensive. But it also makes it very different from 
shooting digital, and makes best use of those old but amazing lenses. 

So I’d encourage anyone who still has some Pentax film gear, even if they’re 
not shooting Pentax digital, to push a roll of film through once a month and 
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Re: June PUG is up

[John Sessoms]

On 6/5/2024 8:05 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 05.06.24 um 13:33 schrieb Brian Walters:

Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:


Not for want of trying. I've scrolled through years and years of photos 
and haven't been able to find anything 'abstract'. So, hats off to those 
who have found something to contribute.


Special kudos to Ann and Henk.

Ralf



I had several, but none taken with Pentax camera or lens. (I've had a 
couple of canon point 'n shoot digitals.)


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equipment update, QNAP NAS

[Larry Colen]

I had posted a while back that I had been having issues with my OWC thunderbolt 
drivebay and was looking to upgrade.  A friend offered me a good deal on his 
QNAP 458a 4-bay NAS.  

I loaded it up with four 16T WD drives as RAID 5 and 16G of RAM, which gives me 
something like 43T of storage.  I copied my photo files over, pointed lightroom 
at it rather than the OWC and found all the missing images in my backup and 
everything catalogs .  

TLDR;  Using it as my primary storage doesn't work.  It might be possible to 
get it to work, but with Macos losing connection to it, the slower speeds and 
related, it was just too painful.  It does seem to work very well as first 
level backup and gives me a NAS for up here. My old synology 4bay is in Felton 
as offsite storage of everything up to about a year ago.   I also have other 
drives to use as second and third level backup down here.

It would be really nice if it also had a way of connecting to the computer 
directly as an external drive rather than only a NAS.  

 I'm luke warm on it as a NAS, it has a lot of features that I don't need, and 
I haven't really spent the time and effort to learn my way around it.  It is 
also quite a few years old, but I think it may have the current UI.

By plugging into the OWC via USB 3 rather than TB my computer doesn't crash 
nearly as often. I had previously solved this problem by disabling something 
about sleep, but with the latest version of Monterey the problem has returned.  

Hopefully I won't run out of space on the OWC until I have the resources to 
replace both it and the trashcan mac I'm using to process photos.  The longer I 
can put that off the more processing power I'll be able to get for my dineros.  
I may be forced to do something before too long because I'm running up against 
end of life of LR running on a version of Macos that will run on the trashcan.
 
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Re: June PUG is up

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I have no problem with non Pentax images, but maybe while we’re making changes 
we could move the PUG into the 21st century by doubling the image size. 
Paul

> On Jun 5, 2024, at 7:21 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> On 6/06/2024 8:09 am, John Francis wrote:
>> Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with 
>> non-Pentax
>> gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using 
>> PDMLers
>> are still around.
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> That's an idea that has been raised before and always rejected - but that was 
> when there were more active PDMLers.
> 
> Like you, I've moved to Olympus. I've tried adapting Pentax lenses to the Oly 
> bodies so that I could post something recent, but it's not an arrangement I'm 
> comfortable with (mainly due to lack of autofocus).
> 
> Maybe it is time to look at opening up the PUG to non-Pentax equipment again?
> 
> Cheers Brian
> 
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Re: June PUG is up

[Brian Walters]

On 6/06/2024 8:09 am, John Francis wrote:

Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with non-Pentax
gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using PDMLers
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That's an idea that has been raised before and always rejected - but 
that was when there were more active PDMLers.


Like you, I've moved to Olympus. I've tried adapting Pentax lenses to 
the Oly bodies so that I could post something recent, but it's not an 
arrangement I'm comfortable with (mainly due to lack of autofocus).


Maybe it is time to look at opening up the PUG to non-Pentax equipment 
again?


Cheers Brian


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Re: June PUG is up

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> On Jun 5, 2024, at 4:09 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 12:42:39AM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>> Am 06.06.24 um 00:09 schrieb John Francis:
>>> Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with 
>>> non-Pentax
>>> gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using 
>>> PDMLers
>>> are still around.
>> 
>> What keeps you from posting photos shot while you were using Pentax gear?
>> 
>> I haven't been able to take any new photos for the last two years and my
>> days as a 'picture taking' photographer are over but I still have tens of
>> thousands of RAW and scanned analog photos to sift through and quite a few
>> to publish.
> 
> Nothing stops me from posting old photographs - I shoot significantly less
> than some people here, so I've got every digital image I took available.
> (And boxes of slides, negatives, etc., very few of which have been scanned).
> But that doesn't help me get to be a better photographer. I sometimes used
> the PUG topic as a way to prompt myself out of my comfort zone and try some
> shots I'd never have thought of myself. Much of the time it didn't result
> in anything I wanted to show anybody else, but there were occasions when I
> came up with something I was pleased with, and even a few times when I ended
> up with an image I felt was worth submitting.

I see a couple of options.  

You could use the PUG as an excuse to grab the K-5 and give it some exercise.  
I know that the 16-50 doesn't like to be left fallow too long, the K-5 probably 
prefers to get a bit of exercise now and then too.

You could put the PK adapter on the OM-1 and get some shots using Pentax glass.

You could start an APUG, alternative PUG.  Perhaps one with a simplified user 
interface that required less moderation, but some sort of password (could be 
the monthly topic) to keep spammers out.

You could just enjoy the photos that other people do post, that were taken with 
Pentax gear.

I kind of feel guilty that I never get around to even looking for something to 
post in the PUG, even though I often look at it and realize I already have a 
very topical image in my collection.  

Is there a list anyplace of all of the historical PUG topics?

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Re: June PUG is up

[John Francis]

On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 12:42:39AM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> Am 06.06.24 um 00:09 schrieb John Francis:
> > Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with 
> > non-Pentax
> > gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using 
> > PDMLers
> > are still around.
> 
> What keeps you from posting photos shot while you were using Pentax gear?
> 
> I haven't been able to take any new photos for the last two years and my
> days as a 'picture taking' photographer are over but I still have tens of
> thousands of RAW and scanned analog photos to sift through and quite a few
> to publish.

Nothing stops me from posting old photographs - I shoot significantly less
than some people here, so I've got every digital image I took available.
(And boxes of slides, negatives, etc., very few of which have been scanned).
But that doesn't help me get to be a better photographer. I sometimes used
the PUG topic as a way to prompt myself out of my comfort zone and try some
shots I'd never have thought of myself. Much of the time it didn't result
in anything I wanted to show anybody else, but there were occasions when I
came up with something I was pleased with, and even a few times when I ended
up with an image I felt was worth submitting.

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Re: June PUG is up

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 06.06.24 um 00:09 schrieb John Francis:

Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with non-Pentax
gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using PDMLers
are still around.


What keeps you from posting photos shot while you were using Pentax gear?

I haven't been able to take any new photos for the last two years and my 
days as a 'picture taking' photographer are over but I still have tens 
of thousands of RAW and scanned analog photos to sift through and quite 
a few to publish.


Just go and have a look on your drives.

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Re: June PUG is up

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On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 09:33:55PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:
> G'day all
> 
> Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/

Unfortunately I suspect the number of contributors will continue to decline.

It's been 2 1/2 years since I picked up a Pentax (except for yesterday when
I charged up the K5 and checked that it still appeared to be in working order).

I was never a frequent contributor to the PUG, but during that time there have 
been a few galleries where I would have been tempted to submit something.
I know I'm not the only PDMLer who has, for various reasons, switched to a
different brand. I may be using an Olympus now, but I still think of myself
as a PDMLer; I haven't even looked for an Olympus User's Group I could join.

Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with non-Pentax
gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using PDMLers
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Re: June PUG is up

[ann sanfedele]

ann blushes

On 6/5/2024 12:09 PM, Bob W PDML wrote:

Never disappointing when there’s an annstract expressionist chef d’oeuvre.




On 5 Jun 2024, at 12:34, Brian Walters  wrote:

G'day all

Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not 
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Next up: 'Framed'

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Re: June PUG is up

[David J Brooks]

Great gallery very imaginative

Dave

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On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 7:41 AM Brian Walters  wrote:

> G'day all
>
> Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/
>
> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
> there).
>
> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
> gallery, let me know.
>
> +
>
> Next up: 'Framed'
>
> Full Submissions Guidelines are here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>
> You can submit here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>
> Cheers
> Brian
> ++
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Re: June PUG is up

[Bob W PDML]

Never disappointing when there’s an annstract expressionist chef d’oeuvre.



> On 5 Jun 2024, at 12:34, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> G'day all
> 
> Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/
> 
> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery there).
> 
> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not 
> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
> gallery, let me know.
> 
> +
> 
> Next up: 'Framed'
> 
> Full Submissions Guidelines are here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> 
> You can submit here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
> 
> Cheers
> Brian
> ++
> Brian Walters
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Re: PESO It's all about that bass

[lrc]

The cover of it by post modern jukebox is even better than the original

https://youtu.be/aLnZ1NQm2uk?si=Dgz5e6cjuo2_V_aG


On June 5, 2024 5:43:42 AM PDT, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>The shot you chose for your PESO is my favorite of the full set, too.
>but now I have an ear worm and worse I can't remember the gal's name who wrote 
>"it's all about the bass.." cartchy tune that I only know because
>it was used in a commercial a couple of years ago
>
>ann
>
>On 6/2/2024 5:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> I got a chance to play with my K-1 last night.  I realized that I hadn't 
>> tried the 85/1.4 out photographing musicians, and since there was going to 
>> be a live band at the milonga last night, I spent a couple tandas playing 
>> with them. The lighting was exceptionally challenging, there are several 
>> frames where it was impossible to bring the color balance back in line using 
>> lightroom.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53764880261/in/album-72177720317540461/
>> 
>> Moving back to the K-1 after the K-3iii and the OM-5 I did notice how long 
>> it takes to bracket multiple frames, also how slow focusing is.  I would 
>> really love a K-1 with all the upgrades from the K-3 III and a faster bus 
>> for saving files.
>> 
>> I just realized that I forgot to apply Lightroom Noise Reduction before 
>> posting the photos.  Not something I'd dare to forget with the OM-5.
>> 
>> For them that are curious, here's the full set
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720317540461/
>> 
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Re: PESO It's all about that bass

[ann sanfedele]

The shot you chose for your PESO is my favorite of the full set, too.
but now I have an ear worm and worse I can't remember the gal's name who 
wrote "it's all about the bass.." cartchy tune that I only know because

it was used in a commercial a couple of years ago

ann

On 6/2/2024 5:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I got a chance to play with my K-1 last night.  I realized that I hadn't tried 
the 85/1.4 out photographing musicians, and since there was going to be a live 
band at the milonga last night, I spent a couple tandas playing with them. The 
lighting was exceptionally challenging, there are several frames where it was 
impossible to bring the color balance back in line using lightroom.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53764880261/in/album-72177720317540461/

Moving back to the K-1 after the K-3iii and the OM-5 I did notice how long it 
takes to bracket multiple frames, also how slow focusing is.  I would really 
love a K-1 with all the upgrades from the K-3 III and a faster bus for saving 
files.

I just realized that I forgot to apply Lightroom Noise Reduction before posting 
the photos.  Not something I'd dare to forget with the OM-5.

For them that are curious, here's the full set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720317540461/

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Re: June PUG is up

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks, Ralf
I suspected there would be a low turnout.   Henk got the idea but I have 
to say it reminds me of Jeff Koons - not to mention the
inside of an old refrigerator bag of mine :-) so - well done  but ugly 
is my response :-)
PT -   You clearly know mid-20th century abstract exprssionism - it's a 
painting.. it's beautiful ..
it reminds me of a specific painter of that era whose name has drifted 
out of my so-called brain.


ann


On 6/5/2024 8:05 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 05.06.24 um 13:33 schrieb Brian Walters:

Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:


Not for want of trying. I've scrolled through years and years of 
photos and haven't been able to find anything 'abstract'. So, hats off 
to those who have found something to contribute.


Special kudos to Ann and Henk.

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Re: June PUG is up

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks Ralf.

Perhaps we can make a deal next time the abstract theme comes back :)

Henk

Op 2024-06-05 om 14:05 schreef Ralf R Radermacher:

Am 05.06.24 um 13:33 schrieb Brian Walters:

Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:


Not for want of trying. I've scrolled through years and years of 
photos and haven't been able to find anything 'abstract'. So, hats off 
to those who have found something to contribute.


Special kudos to Ann and Henk.

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Re: More Paris Pix

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 05.06.24 um 03:50 schrieb Rick Womer:

For some reason, Smugmug insisted on organizing them =its= way, so the new and 
old are somewhat mixed.

Lyon photos next.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/Paris-Oct-23


My favourite, though the least 'Parisian' of them all, still is the photo of 
the cuddly toys.

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Re: June PUG is up

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 05.06.24 um 13:33 schrieb Brian Walters:

Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:


Not for want of trying. I've scrolled through years and years of photos 
and haven't been able to find anything 'abstract'. So, hats off to those 
who have found something to contribute.


Special kudos to Ann and Henk.

Ralf

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June PUG is up

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery 
there).


Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not 
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the

gallery, let me know.

+

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More Paris Pix

[Rick Womer]

For some reason, Smugmug insisted on organizing them =its= way, so the new and 
old are somewhat mixed.

Lyon photos next.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/Paris-Oct-23

Compliments and criticisms equally welcome.

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Re: PESO It's all about that bass

[Larry Colen]

Don't get me wrong, what the K-1 does well, it does very very well.  Post 
processing on it is much easier than the OM-5.  

> On Jun 3, 2024, at 1:31 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> Larry, you may be complaining about the focusing of the K-1, however these 
> pictures show again how good this camera performs in low light situations.

The two are not mutually exclusive.  To be honest the K-3III is pretty close to 
as good in low light, but is better at focusing.

> It looks to me that with saturation or point color in Color Mixer of LR you 
> should be able to adjust colour balance where the artificial light is too 
> pronounced.

This is after adjusting the color balance in lightroom.  The color temperature 
slider is pegged at 2000K, and on some of them I tried to get even more 
adjustment with the brush, to no avail.


>  
> Henk
> 
> Op 2024-06-02 om 23:37 schreef Larry Colen:
>> I got a chance to play with my K-1 last night.  I realized that I hadn't 
>> tried the 85/1.4 out photographing musicians, and since there was going to 
>> be a live band at the milonga last night, I spent a couple tandas playing 
>> with them. The lighting was exceptionally challenging, there are several 
>> frames where it was impossible to bring the color balance back in line using 
>> lightroom.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53764880261/in/album-72177720317540461/
>> 
>> Moving back to the K-1 after the K-3iii and the OM-5 I did notice how long 
>> it takes to bracket multiple frames, also how slow focusing is.  I would 
>> really love a K-1 with all the upgrades from the K-3 III and a faster bus 
>> for saving files.
>> 
>> I just realized that I forgot to apply Lightroom Noise Reduction before 
>> posting the photos.  Not something I'd dare to forget with the OM-5.
>> 
>> For them that are curious, here's the full set
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720317540461/
>> 
>> --
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>> 
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Re: PESO It's all about that bass

[Henk Terhell]

Larry, you may be complaining about the focusing of the K-1, however 
these pictures show again how good this camera performs in low light 
situations.
It looks to me that with saturation or point color in Color Mixer of LR 
you should be able to adjust colour balance where the artificial light 
is too pronounced.


Henk

Op 2024-06-02 om 23:37 schreef Larry Colen:

I got a chance to play with my K-1 last night.  I realized that I hadn't tried 
the 85/1.4 out photographing musicians, and since there was going to be a live 
band at the milonga last night, I spent a couple tandas playing with them. The 
lighting was exceptionally challenging, there are several frames where it was 
impossible to bring the color balance back in line using lightroom.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53764880261/in/album-72177720317540461/

Moving back to the K-1 after the K-3iii and the OM-5 I did notice how long it 
takes to bracket multiple frames, also how slow focusing is.  I would really 
love a K-1 with all the upgrades from the K-3 III and a faster bus for saving 
files.

I just realized that I forgot to apply Lightroom Noise Reduction before posting 
the photos.  Not something I'd dare to forget with the OM-5.

For them that are curious, here's the full set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720317540461/

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Re: New photos on line

[Alan C]

Mark, I have been following this thread with interest. Wonderful stuff, 
so well captured. Places I will never see. The best I have ever 
experienced over there were the Yorkshire Moors.


Alan C

On 30-May-24 08:43 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Many are rough versions but I've got photos posted from both our Isle
of Islay walk (new ones added since my last post) and from the Cumbria
Way walk.
Islay:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
Cumbria Way:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943
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Re: PESO It's all about that bass

[Alan C]

Well Larry, as Ralf says, you did a good job and really captured the 
atmosphere. I must say I prefer the monochrome images. We haven't been 
to a function like that for many years. They do occasionally have dance 
evenings out here in the sticks but it is all Boeremusiek! (You can look 
that up!)


Alan C

On 03-Jun-24 12:35 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Jun 2, 2024, at 2:50 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

Am 02.06.24 um 23:37 schrieb Larry Colen:

For them that are curious, here's the full set
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Well done. Thanks for showing.

Thanks Ralf

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Re: PESO It's all about that bass

[Larry Colen]

> On Jun 2, 2024, at 2:50 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 02.06.24 um 23:37 schrieb Larry Colen:
>> For them that are curious, here's the full set
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720317540461/
> 
> Well done. Thanks for showing.

Thanks Ralf

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Re: PESO It's all about that bass

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Am 02.06.24 um 23:37 schrieb Larry Colen:

For them that are curious, here's the full set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720317540461/


Well done. Thanks for showing.

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PESO It's all about that bass

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I got a chance to play with my K-1 last night.  I realized that I hadn't tried 
the 85/1.4 out photographing musicians, and since there was going to be a live 
band at the milonga last night, I spent a couple tandas playing with them. The 
lighting was exceptionally challenging, there are several frames where it was 
impossible to bring the color balance back in line using lightroom. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53764880261/in/album-72177720317540461/

Moving back to the K-1 after the K-3iii and the OM-5 I did notice how long it 
takes to bracket multiple frames, also how slow focusing is.  I would really 
love a K-1 with all the upgrades from the K-3 III and a faster bus for saving 
files.

I just realized that I forgot to apply Lightroom Noise Reduction before posting 
the photos.  Not something I'd dare to forget with the OM-5.

For them that are curious, here's the full set
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Last Call - June PUG

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Hi all

I'll be closing submissions on Monday evening 3 June, Sydney time.

Theme: Abstract

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Re: New photos on line

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> On 01/06/2024 01:59 BST Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
>  
> mike wilson wrote:
> 
> >I think the sheep were probably Lisa's idea.  Mark's more of a Llama type of 
> >guy.
> 
> Doug Brewer and I have history with llamas.
>  
Explains the bail money facility.
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Fwd: New photos on line

[ann sanfedele]

meant for the list, especially Mark  - not just Bob ..  thunderbird glitchy

ann


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Subject:Re: New photos on line
Date:   Fri, 31 May 2024 19:23:27 -0400
From:   ann sanfedele 
To: Bob W PDML 



I agree with Bob and Ralf   on all counts .   Great sets

by the way, if you take a portrait of a birdie ... do you say watch the 
human?..  (Loved that close-up!)


ann

On 5/31/2024 4:34 AM, Bob W PDML wrote:



On 31 May 2024, at 08:51, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
Am 30.05.24 um 20:43 schrieb Mark Roberts:

Islay:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
Cumbria Way:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943
Two really beautiful series and I agree that children are dangerous 
and should be kept under control at all times.


Ralf
This is a very widely-held view, to the extent that they warn you on 
every plastic bag to keep away from children.


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Re: New photos on line

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mike wilson wrote:

>I think the sheep were probably Lisa's idea.  Mark's more of a Llama type of 
>guy.

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Re: New photos on line

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I think the sheep were probably Lisa's idea.  Mark's more of a Llama type of 
guy.
> On 31/05/2024 21:35 BST Stan Halpin  wrote:
> 
>  
> Beautiful photos, beautiful country! And the sheep add a nice element in many 
> of the shots. Good planning to take them along with you.
> Stan
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On May 30, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Mark Roberts  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Many are rough versions but I've got photos posted from both our Isle
> > of Islay walk (new ones added since my last post) and from the Cumbria
> > Way walk.
> > Islay:
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
> > Cumbria Way:
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943
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Re: Status Update K-3 repairs and OT photos

[Stan Halpin]

In your collection of “old dead tractors”, this shot : 20240527-P5270049 of a 
Farmall … In the 1950-51 era, my dairy farmer grandfather bought his first 
(used) tractor, transitioning from work horses and eventually freeing up room 
in his barn for an additional three milking stations. The tractor was my first 
experience driving a motorized vehicle. He would never have allowed his tractor 
to get to the stage of disrepair as the one in your photo!  Thanks for a trip 
down memory lane!

Stan

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> On May 31, 2024, at 2:18 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I decided that since the OM-5 works OK for carrying on my bike, I was better 
> off getting the K-3III repaired while I'm in a photographic lull, lest I find 
> something else critical that is wrong when I absolutely need it, and then 
> find out that it'll take weeks or months to get it repaired. So, I sent it to 
> Precision, their estimate is now up to $683, and it turns out that the parts 
> are on back order for a week or two.  So, yeah.
> 
> I've had a few chances to go on bike rides and am becoming more familiar with 
> the OM-5.  It really does make me appreciate the Pentax UI.  A few years back 
> I commented that when processing photos, comparing my APS Pentax with a 
> friend's full frame Nikon, I could get similar quality with the Pentax, but 
> that the files "felt more brittle".  I'm running into the same thing with the 
> OM-5, only more so, it feels like I have very little extra dynamic range to 
> work with.
> 
> On my bike ride Monday, I found a place of Reche canyon where someone has 
> collected a bunch of old dead tractors and just has them sitting around, and 
> rather than a No Trespassing sign, his signs simply say that if you get hurt, 
> you can't blame him. I had just photographed this yellow tractor when a 
> bright pink "honey bucket" truck was driving past, so I had to grab another 
> shot:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53755809787/in/album-72177720317430356/
> 
> In other news, I needed to upgrade my local storage and a friend offered me a 
> QNAP 435A 4-bay NAS.  I bought it, and some refurb/returned 16T drives off 
> Amazon. With RAID 5 it gives me almost 43 TB, which is nice, about twice my 
> current photo library.  I'm trying to point my Lightroom Library at it, and I 
> dunno if it is the QNAP, my trashcan mac, or whether using a NAS over a 1G 
> net but while things seem to work, they aren't, as yet, working well.
> 
> 
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Re: New photos on line

[Stan Halpin]

Beautiful photos, beautiful country! And the sheep add a nice element in many 
of the shots. Good planning to take them along with you.
Stan
Sent from my iPad

> On May 30, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Many are rough versions but I've got photos posted from both our Isle
> of Islay walk (new ones added since my last post) and from the Cumbria
> Way walk.
> Islay:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
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Re: Status Update K-3 repairs and OT photos

[lrc]

Thanks Rick and Ralf 

On May 31, 2024 10:12:29 AM PDT, Rick Womer  wrote:
>Nice pic!  The colors and composition are nice, and I really like the contrast 
>between the motion-blurred truck and the permanently-stationary tractor.
>
>Rick
>
>> On May 31, 2024, at 3:47 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 31.05.24 um 08:17 schrieb Larry Colen:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53755809787/in/album-72177720317430356/
>> 
>> Interesting and well done.
>> 
>> Ralf
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Re: Status Update K-3 repairs and OT photos

[Rick Womer]

Nice pic!  The colors and composition are nice, and I really like the contrast 
between the motion-blurred truck and the permanently-stationary tractor.

Rick

> On May 31, 2024, at 3:47 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 31.05.24 um 08:17 schrieb Larry Colen:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53755809787/in/album-72177720317430356/
> 
> Interesting and well done.
> 
> Ralf
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Re: New photos on line

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> On 31 May 2024, at 08:51, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> Am 30.05.24 um 20:43 schrieb Mark Roberts:
>> Islay:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
>> Cumbria Way:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943
> 
> Two really beautiful series and I agree that children are dangerous and 
> should be kept under control at all times.
> 
> Ralf

This is a very widely-held view, to the extent that they warn you on every 
plastic bag to keep away from children.

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Re: New photos on line

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Am 30.05.24 um 20:43 schrieb Mark Roberts:

Islay:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
Cumbria Way:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943


Two really beautiful series and I agree that children are dangerous and 
should be kept under control at all times.


Ralf

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Re: Status Update K-3 repairs and OT photos

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Am 31.05.24 um 08:17 schrieb Larry Colen:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53755809787/in/album-72177720317430356/


Interesting and well done.

Ralf

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Status Update K-3 repairs and OT photos

[Larry Colen]

I decided that since the OM-5 works OK for carrying on my bike, I was better 
off getting the K-3III repaired while I'm in a photographic lull, lest I find 
something else critical that is wrong when I absolutely need it, and then find 
out that it'll take weeks or months to get it repaired. So, I sent it to 
Precision, their estimate is now up to $683, and it turns out that the parts 
are on back order for a week or two.  So, yeah.

I've had a few chances to go on bike rides and am becoming more familiar with 
the OM-5.  It really does make me appreciate the Pentax UI.  A few years back I 
commented that when processing photos, comparing my APS Pentax with a friend's 
full frame Nikon, I could get similar quality with the Pentax, but that the 
files "felt more brittle".  I'm running into the same thing with the OM-5, only 
more so, it feels like I have very little extra dynamic range to work with.

On my bike ride Monday, I found a place of Reche canyon where someone has 
collected a bunch of old dead tractors and just has them sitting around, and 
rather than a No Trespassing sign, his signs simply say that if you get hurt, 
you can't blame him. I had just photographed this yellow tractor when a bright 
pink "honey bucket" truck was driving past, so I had to grab another shot:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53755809787/in/album-72177720317430356/

In other news, I needed to upgrade my local storage and a friend offered me a 
QNAP 435A 4-bay NAS.  I bought it, and some refurb/returned 16T drives off 
Amazon. With RAID 5 it gives me almost 43 TB, which is nice, about twice my 
current photo library.  I'm trying to point my Lightroom Library at it, and I 
dunno if it is the QNAP, my trashcan mac, or whether using a NAS over a 1G net 
but while things seem to work, they aren't, as yet, working well. 


 
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Re: New photos on line

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Lovely photos, you must have a nice camera!

On May 30, 2024 11:43:06 AM PDT, Mark Roberts  
wrote:
>Many are rough versions but I've got photos posted from both our Isle
>of Islay walk (new ones added since my last post) and from the Cumbria
>Way walk.
>Islay:
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
>Cumbria Way:
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943
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Re: New photos on line

[mike wilson]

Stunning stuff in the first one.  I'm intrigued by the giant gatepost; amused 
by the stickers; flabbergasted by the final image of the glaciated landscape.

The Cumbrian ones seem, in contrast, much more intimate.  Especially with a 
Llama.  BTW, I have a historian friend who reckons those circular sheep pens 
are probably the oldest continuous use structures in the UK.  You certainly 
have an eye for an image.

> On 30/05/2024 19:43 BST Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
>  
> Many are rough versions but I've got photos posted from both our Isle
> of Islay walk (new ones added since my last post) and from the Cumbria
> Way walk.
> Islay:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
> Cumbria Way:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943
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New photos on line

[Mark Roberts]

Many are rough versions but I've got photos posted from both our Isle
of Islay walk (new ones added since my last post) and from the Cumbria
Way walk.
Islay:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720316943057
Cumbria Way:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/166715344@N04/albums/72177720317448943
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OT:2012

[David J Brooks]

Ive deleted all my gmail forum emails from 2011 and working on 2012 to free
up space

Big ticket event that year was LR4 came out

We were so excited back then

:-)

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Re: Paris

[Rick Womer]

Stan, I now have a surge protector / uninterruptible power supply for my 
computer, and a surge protector for our mini split AC/heating system (whose 
board also got toasted). Alas our electrician fell ill and went out of 
business, and we haven’t identified another one yet to put in a surge protector 
for the rest of the house.

Rick

> On May 24, 2024, at 8:53 PM, Stan Halpin  wrote:
> 
> A long delayed OT comment re your power surge and related computer issues…
> 
> Several years ago our trusted local electrician installed a whole-house surge 
> protector. A relatively small attachment on the main panel. I think it has 
> worked properly, we’ve had no issues even when neighbors were having storm 
> surge problems.
> 
> Stan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 24, 2024, at 4:21 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s -only- been five months since our autumn trip to France, and I’m 
>> finally getting around to posting some pics. (My photo computer and hard 
>> drives took a hit from a nasty power surge, which took a long time to sort 
>> out).
>> 
>> Paris was our first stop, so more are coming.
>> 
>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/Paris-Oct-23
>> 
>> Comments always appreciated!
>> 
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Re: PDML UK 2024

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Watched you take off on flightradar 24.  Your text came through 10 minutes 
after you were off the ground. 8 -)

> On 24/05/2024 21:24 BST Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
>  
> We had the most amazing luck with the weather throughout our trip.
> Getting rain-free days all through the week on Islay and almost
> entirely rain-free days during our Cumbria Way walk through the Lake
> District. A major rain storm floods out the northwestern UK while
> we're staying in Carlisle but rail service was almost 100% back to
> normal today: Our train to Edinburgh was a minute early and
> experienced no delays en route. Fantastic. Back to the States
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Re: Paris

[Stan Halpin]

A long delayed OT comment re your power surge and related computer issues…

Several years ago our trusted local electrician installed a whole-house surge 
protector. A relatively small attachment on the main panel. I think it has 
worked properly, we’ve had no issues even when neighbors were having storm 
surge problems.

Stan

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> On May 24, 2024, at 4:21 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> It’s -only- been five months since our autumn trip to France, and I’m 
> finally getting around to posting some pics. (My photo computer and hard 
> drives took a hit from a nasty power surge, which took a long time to sort 
> out).
> 
> Paris was our first stop, so more are coming.
> 
> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/Paris-Oct-23
> 
> Comments always appreciated!
> 
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[Stan Halpin]

Thanks for the update! After your “ flood” post yesterday I checked the area 
weather and it looked like it might be awhile before it cleared. Good to hear 
that you or the good doctor were able to part the waters and escape to drier 
climes.

Sent from my iPad

> On May 24, 2024, at 4:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> We had the most amazing luck with the weather throughout our trip.
> Getting rain-free days all through the week on Islay and almost
> entirely rain-free days during our Cumbria Way walk through the Lake
> District. A major rain storm floods out the northwestern UK while
> we're staying in Carlisle but rail service was almost 100% back to
> normal today: Our train to Edinburgh was a minute early and
> experienced no delays en route. Fantastic. Back to the States
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Re: Astrophotography?

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Am 25.05.24 um 00:01 schrieb Larry Colen:

Out of curiosity:

Are we talking deep sky or astro-landscape?


He has seen this here:

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2024/may/21/milky-way-photographer-of-the-year-2024-in-pictures

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Re: Astrophotography?

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On 5/24/2024 3:36 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
A friend with a K3-II who is not on here would like to try 
astrophotography. Does anyone have a link or a website for him to 
learn the first steps?


Thanks

Ralf


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo889YUqRoV8Oj1AH6iqXOtc8Qlrb5TEk

Also, there are quite a few very talented astro photographers resident 
on Pentax Forums.


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Re: Astrophotography?

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Out of curiosity:

   Are we talking deep sky or astro-landscape?
   


> On May 24, 2024, at 2:36 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> A friend with a K3-II who is not on here would like to try astrophotography. 
> Does anyone have a link or a website for him to learn the first steps?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ralf
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Astrophotography?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

A friend with a K3-II who is not on here would like to try 
astrophotography. Does anyone have a link or a website for him to learn 
the first steps?


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Re: Devil's Punchbowl

[lrc]

Thanks. Three years later it's hard to remember my motivations, but that was 
the trip I went north to bury my mom so I might not have focused as much on 
trimming down the gallery as I might otherwise

On May 24, 2024 1:37:57 PM PDT, Rick Womer  wrote:
>Larry, there are some really nice photos here.
>
>For me, though, the many near-duplicate images dilutes the impact of the whole 
>set—for example, were 11 similar shots of the raven and 8 of the eagle really 
>necessary to post?
>
>
>Rick
>
>
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> Those are two very well-done galleries.  Thanks for sharing.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
>> *
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 10:06 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>>> It’s been a few years since I discovered Otter Rock between Newport and
>>> Depoe Bay.  Somehow on previous visits I totally missed Devil’s Punchbowl
>>> (not to be confused with Devil’s churn in Perpetua).
>>> 
>>> At high tide, flushing the punchbowl:
>>> 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/51139487905/in/album-72157719023434163/
>>> 
>>> A couple days later, closer to low tide when you can get into the
>>> punchbowl:
>>> 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/51138604123/in/album-72157719023434163/
>>> 
>>> The big challenge at low tide is trying to get photos with the crowds of
>>> other people who also want to check it out.
>>> 
>>> Another lesson learned is to not only bring something to dry splashes off
>>> the lens, but to actually check it for splashes
>>> 
>>> Full set:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157719023434163/
>>> 
>>> and while I’m at it, some other photos from around Otter Rock
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157719023495363/
>>> 
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Re: Paris

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 24.05.24 um 22:20 schrieb Rick Womer:

It’s -only- been five months since our autumn trip to France, and I’m finally 
getting around to posting some pics. (My photo computer and hard drives took a 
hit from a nasty power surge, which took a long time to sort out).

Paris was our first stop, so more are coming.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/Paris-Oct-23


Nice collection.

Rue du Bac... When I lived in Paris, the line through the tunnel to the 
other bank of the Seine still had the early 1900s Sprague-Thomson 
rolling stock and the drivers loved to accelerate to the max on the way 
down. Hell on wheels... :-)


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Re: PDML UK 2024

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> On 24 May 2024, at 21:24, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> We had the most amazing luck with the weather throughout our trip.
> Getting rain-free days all through the week on Islay and almost
> entirely rain-free days during our Cumbria Way walk through the Lake
> District. A major rain storm floods out the northwestern UK while
> we're staying in Carlisle but rail service was almost 100% back to
> normal today: Our train to Edinburgh was a minute early and
> experienced no delays en route. Fantastic. Back to the States
> tomorrow.
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You picked the right time to visit. We’ve had months of horrible weather until 
recently. It felt like winter would never end.

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Re: Devil's Punchbowl

[Rick Womer]

Larry, there are some really nice photos here.

For me, though, the many near-duplicate images dilutes the impact of the whole 
set—for example, were 11 similar shots of the raven and 8 of the eagle really 
necessary to post?


Rick


> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Those are two very well-done galleries.  Thanks for sharing.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 10:06 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> It’s been a few years since I discovered Otter Rock between Newport and
>> Depoe Bay.  Somehow on previous visits I totally missed Devil’s Punchbowl
>> (not to be confused with Devil’s churn in Perpetua).
>> 
>> At high tide, flushing the punchbowl:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/51139487905/in/album-72157719023434163/
>> 
>> A couple days later, closer to low tide when you can get into the
>> punchbowl:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/51138604123/in/album-72157719023434163/
>> 
>> The big challenge at low tide is trying to get photos with the crowds of
>> other people who also want to check it out.
>> 
>> Another lesson learned is to not only bring something to dry splashes off
>> the lens, but to actually check it for splashes
>> 
>> Full set:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157719023434163/
>> 
>> and while I’m at it, some other photos from around Otter Rock
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157719023495363/
>> 
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[Mark Roberts]

We had the most amazing luck with the weather throughout our trip.
Getting rain-free days all through the week on Islay and almost
entirely rain-free days during our Cumbria Way walk through the Lake
District. A major rain storm floods out the northwestern UK while
we're staying in Carlisle but rail service was almost 100% back to
normal today: Our train to Edinburgh was a minute early and
experienced no delays en route. Fantastic. Back to the States
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Paris

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It’s -only- been five months since our autumn trip to France, and I’m finally 
getting around to posting some pics. (My photo computer and hard drives took a 
hit from a nasty power surge, which took a long time to sort out).

Paris was our first stop, so more are coming.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2023/Paris-Oct-23

Comments always appreciated!

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Re: PDML UK 2024

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Terms noted and accepted.  Will be in touch if the need arises.  

> On 23/05/2024 20:04 BST Doug Brewer  wrote:
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>  
> It was a thrill hearing your voice, Mike. Keep in mind that felonies are 
> out of my range.
> 
> On 5/22/24 2:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 21/05/2024 20:49 BST Mark Roberts  wrote:
> >>
> >>   
> >> Dr Lisa and I just had a great evening out with Mike and Kathy Wilson in 
> >> Carlisle. (No photos to post but I'll have some from the Lake District 
> >> soon.) The evening of food, drink and merriment concluded with a phone 
> >> call to Doug Brewer. Much merriment occurred.
> > It was indeed a great pleasure to both meet the merry adventurers and hear 
> > the velvet tones of Doug after all these years.  Apparently, he's good for 
> > bail money.
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Re: Hello from Carlisle!

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Wow!

On 5/23/2024 6:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

So how's *your* day going? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjkkm6x0v5po.amp
We're in on high ground in the center of the city but we're concerned about our 
train tomorrow. Check out the second photo in that BBC article (the busses in 
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[Steve Cottrell]

Ni !



> On 23 May 2024, at 08:08, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> Sometimes I suspect you're always "in an area with no signal" ;-P


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Re: PDML UK 2024

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Doug Brewer wrote:

>Keep in mind that felonies are out of my range.

I assume that means financially, not morally.
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[Doug Brewer]

It was a thrill hearing your voice, Mike. Keep in mind that felonies are 
out of my range.


On 5/22/24 2:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 21/05/2024 20:49 BST Mark Roberts  wrote:

  
Dr Lisa and I just had a great evening out with Mike and Kathy Wilson in Carlisle. (No photos to post but I'll have some from the Lake District soon.) The evening of food, drink and merriment concluded with a phone call to Doug Brewer. Much merriment occurred.

It was indeed a great pleasure to both meet the merry adventurers and hear the 
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Re: Hello from Carlisle!

[mike wilson]

Just been soaked by trying (and failing) to rescue the canvas roof of the 
gazebo which must have had in excess of 200lbs of water gathered in it.  
Managed to push it partway to the edge when rrriip and cold shower 
time.  My ecological consultancy did work in Carlisle about a decade or so ago 
after much of the town was flooded.  Home to the only known urban colony of 
brook lampreys in the UK, as we discovered, so mitigation was quite 
comprehensive.  Even so, new, one metre higher, flood walls were built - which 
came within 10cm of overtopping within the year.  It's not a problem that will 
go away.  Fingers crossed for tomorrow.  Shout if things go sideways.


> On 23/05/2024 11:37 BST Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
>  
> So how's *your* day going? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjkkm6x0v5po.amp
> We're in on high ground in the center of the city but we're concerned about 
> our train tomorrow. Check out the second photo in that BBC article (the 
> busses in the flooded car park); we just walked through there 10 minutes ago.
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Hello from Carlisle!

[Mark Roberts]

So how's *your* day going? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjkkm6x0v5po.amp
We're in on high ground in the center of the city but we're concerned about our 
train tomorrow. Check out the second photo in that BBC article (the busses in 
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[Mark Roberts]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

>I’m on the south coast filming today and staying in an area with no signal!!! 
>:-)

Sometimes I suspect you're always "in an area with no signal" ;-P
 
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Re: PESO 90 years ago

[Comcast]

It’s a 1931 D-Type, the second one made of 250 total.
Paul

> On May 22, 2024, at 8:06 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
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> I had to go and check that this want from my MG mailing list.  J type?
> 
> On May 22, 2024 4:30:43 PM PDT, Comcast  wrote:
>>> An English couple motoring in the  Cotswalds in 1932. Shot with the way 
>>> back machine.
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Re: PESO 90 years ago

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I had to go and check that this want from my MG mailing list.  J type?

On May 22, 2024 4:30:43 PM PDT, Comcast  wrote:
>> An English couple motoring in the  Cotswalds in 1932. Shot with the way 
>> back machine.

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PESO 90 years ago

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> An English couple motoring in the  Cotswalds in 1932. Shot with the way back 
> machine.
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t6a5f0gpun3nkizw1fotv/MGD4.jpg?rlkey=phqgs92f5uwe5eej9ckl729kb=0> 
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Re: PESO, not shot with a Pentax.

[Bill]

On 5/22/2024 3:59 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

A spoon resting on your dog’s back? On an unusual tablecloth?

Rick


That was the actual tabletop. I'm glad I wasn't on acid

bill




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I'm slowly coming out of hibernation and took the X-T5 out for a ride today.

I didn't do much, but I did this:

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Re: PESO, not shot with a Pentax.

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A spoon resting on your dog’s back? On an unusual tablecloth?

Rick

> On May 22, 2024, at 5:57 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> I'm slowly coming out of hibernation and took the X-T5 out for a ride today.
> 
> I didn't do much, but I did this:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2pSJ7Ko
> 
> Enjoy
> 
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I'm slowly coming out of hibernation and took the X-T5 out for a ride today.

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Re: Spring at The Woodlands

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Lovely!
Paul

> On May 22, 2024, at 5:25 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
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> The Woodlands is a nearby park that also hosts a cemetery (they are 
> corporately distinct).  It has been a particularly colorful one.
> 
> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2024/April-2024/Woodlands-in-Bloom
> 
> 
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Spring at The Woodlands

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The Woodlands is a nearby park that also hosts a cemetery (they are corporately 
distinct).  It has been a particularly colorful one.

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/2024/April-2024/Woodlands-in-Bloom


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Re: PDML UK 2024

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I’m on the south coast filming today and staying in an area with no signal!!! 
:-)

Cot

> On 21 May 2024, at 21:58, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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> It's not midnight yet :-)


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Re: PDML UK 2024

[mike wilson]

> On 21/05/2024 20:49 BST Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
>  
> Dr Lisa and I just had a great evening out with Mike and Kathy Wilson in 
> Carlisle. (No photos to post but I'll have some from the Lake District soon.) 
> The evening of food, drink and merriment concluded with a phone call to Doug 
> Brewer. Much merriment occurred.

It was indeed a great pleasure to both meet the merry adventurers and hear the 
velvet tones of Doug after all these years.  Apparently, he's good for bail 
money.
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Countdown - June PUG

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

The theme for June: 'Abstract'.

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Cheers
Brian
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[David J Brooks]



Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
www.caughtinmotion.com
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York Region, Ontario, Canada


On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 5:07 PM Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> >No Cotty midnight wake up??
>
> It's not midnight yet :-)
>
> May 21, 2024 21:44:48 David J Brooks :
>
> > No Cotty midnight wake up??
> >
> > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
> > www.caughtinmotion.com
> > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
> > York Region, Ontario, Canada
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 4:07 PM Mark Roberts  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dr Lisa and I just had a great evening out with Mike and Kathy Wilson in
> >> Carlisle. (No photos to post but I'll have some from the Lake District
> >> soon.) The evening of food, drink and merriment concluded with a phone
> call
> >> to Doug Brewer. Much merriment occurred.
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[Mark Roberts]

>No Cotty midnight wake up??

It's not midnight yet :-)

May 21, 2024 21:44:48 David J Brooks :

> No Cotty midnight wake up??
> 
> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
> www.caughtinmotion.com
> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
> York Region, Ontario, Canada
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 4:07 PM Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
> 
>> Dr Lisa and I just had a great evening out with Mike and Kathy Wilson in
>> Carlisle. (No photos to post but I'll have some from the Lake District
>> soon.) The evening of food, drink and merriment concluded with a phone call
>> to Doug Brewer. Much merriment occurred.
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Re: PDML UK 2024

[David J Brooks]

No Cotty midnight wake up??

Documenting Life in Rural Ontario.
www.caughtinmotion.com
http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
York Region, Ontario, Canada


On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 4:07 PM Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> Dr Lisa and I just had a great evening out with Mike and Kathy Wilson in
> Carlisle. (No photos to post but I'll have some from the Lake District
> soon.) The evening of food, drink and merriment concluded with a phone call
> to Doug Brewer. Much merriment occurred.
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PDML UK 2024

[Mark Roberts]

Dr Lisa and I just had a great evening out with Mike and Kathy Wilson in 
Carlisle. (No photos to post but I'll have some from the Lake District soon.) 
The evening of food, drink and merriment concluded with a phone call to Doug 
Brewer. Much merriment occurred.
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Re: Affinity

[Doug Brewer]

Been a couple years or so since the move, John.

On 5/19/24 2:13 AM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Did I miss the post that said we were moving to the Affinity server?\
Suddenly realised I hadn’t seen any posts from the PDML for some time!

John  (still in Brisbane)
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Re: A semi-gallery of recent photos

[David J Brooks]

Well done John

Dave

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 2:37 PM John Sessoms  wrote:

> Thank you.
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Affinity

[jcoyle]

Did I miss the post that said we were moving to the Affinity server?\
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Re: fall down followup

[Rick Womer]

Ouch!

You might look into insurance. I have a “rider” on our homeowner’s policy that 
covers my cameras and lenses. It wasn’t expensive.

Rick

> On May 18, 2024, at 9:11 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I mentioned that a few weeks ago I helped a woman catch her dog, in the 
> process, with the heavy camera in the handlebar bag the bike fell over.  
> Shortly thereafter I noticed some issues with the lens focusing, but they 
> seemed to correlate with low contrast situations, the camera wouldn't solidly 
> lock focus on mountains through the haze.  A couple days later I noticed the 
> smart function dial on the K-3 III was broken.  
> 
> I took the camera and lens to the local repair shop today, I hadn't noticed 
> that the barrel of the lens was actually broken:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rW86kLCAo8vWTRKa9
> 
> The estimates were something like $450 for the lens (which I can buy used for 
> half of that), and $700 (even more than precision) for the camera body.
> 
> Sigh.  I think that for now I'll replace the lens with an 18-135, much less 
> expensive, water resistant, smaller, and I think sharper at least within its 
> range.
> 
> When I have some time, I may try taking the lens apart and doing a kluge fix 
> myself.  In any case, if anyone has either an 18-135 or 18-270 they're 
> looking to offload, let me know.  I'm also beginning to think that I should 
> just pony up the dineros and send the K-3 III to precision in case there is 
> anything else I missed.
> 
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> l...@red4est.com.   sent from Mirkwood
> 
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