Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
Interesting to know about ther options than tmax. Thank you AdAm. Le vendredi 10 décembre 2010, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca a écrit : Tmax Developer is excellent, but just about the most expensive option. I use it solely for pushing film as it's also just about the best for maintaining shadow detail when pushing. I most of my developing with D-76 or Rodinal, with the latter used solely for slow films and D-76 for any medium speed films. -Adam On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: TMax developer works well, and it has a long shelf life. I shot a roll of BW in my Leica a few months ago and processed it with some TMax that's been sitting on the shelf for about seven years. No problems. At normal development times, the negative density was spot on. When I was shooting a lot of BW, I preferred D-76 mixed 1:1 with water -- a somewhat gentle soup that yielded a nice range of midtones-- but it involved a lot of work, since D-76 is only sold as a mix-it-yourself powder. Paul On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Thibouille wrote: I bought Tmax because that's what my reseller had in stock. Heard a couple time Tmax is the best developper, ever. Dunno what to think about that but at least it is a good one, which is OK for me. 2010/12/8 Gasha cir...@konts.lv: Welcome to the club!!! I discovered these nice things about 5 years ago. So far used only Rodinal, but i hope to try also Ilfosol. Gasha Thibouille wrote: Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
I bought Tmax because that's what my reseller had in stock. Heard a couple time Tmax is the best developper, ever. Dunno what to think about that but at least it is a good one, which is OK for me. 2010/12/8 Gasha cir...@konts.lv: Welcome to the club!!! I discovered these nice things about 5 years ago. So far used only Rodinal, but i hope to try also Ilfosol. Gasha Thibouille wrote: Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
I still have a Palm lying somewhere. It might be useful to have the Palm used just for that, why not, so thank a lot. I will try the software. 2010/12/8 d...@rileyelf.free-online.co.uk: I know it's a bit 'old school' but I use an app on my Palm called Foto Timer, http://www.jan-exner.de/software/fototimer.html it allows interval setting (for inversions etc.) with alarms. It also allows chained processes with pauses etc, so you can chain multiple processes used with a pause in between each. If anyone is still using a Palm it's well worth a download. Drew. Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
2010/12/8 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Tri-X in D-76 is pretty forgiving, you can soup in a bathroom and pretty much time it with your pulse. Learned to do that in a Photojournalism course taught by a semi-retried Photo-Editor from the Providence Journal. Except for the fact that that the film used was 35mm rather than 4x5 it was a technique that wouldn't have been alien to Weegee. Let me see now, what was my point... Oh, yes. Pick a film and developer combination, and learn it, until getting constant results is second nature. Then branch out. Exactly what I had in mind. It will take time to get consistant results and to try a couple other developpers. But I'm ready. I'll probably need a new Enlarger though, the one I could get is really really an old thing. Those go for cheap these days on Ebay so I'll probably get another one as soon as I'm OK with the films. Hope TriX is forgiving as well with Tmax :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
a great trick i learned while teaching an introductory darkroom class to some kids was to just count the ticking clock if you have one in the darkroom. it's particularly useful for making enlargements if you don't have a clock attached to the enlarger, since the times are generally shorter than for film development. also, i don't see why you'd need anything other than any watch or clock for processing film, you do it in the tank, and you can have the light on, so.. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/8 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Tri-X in D-76 is pretty forgiving, you can soup in a bathroom and pretty much time it with your pulse. Learned to do that in a Photojournalism course taught by a semi-retried Photo-Editor from the Providence Journal. Except for the fact that that the film used was 35mm rather than 4x5 it was a technique that wouldn't have been alien to Weegee. Let me see now, what was my point... Oh, yes. Pick a film and developer combination, and learn it, until getting constant results is second nature. Then branch out. Exactly what I had in mind. It will take time to get consistant results and to try a couple other developpers. But I'm ready. I'll probably need a new Enlarger though, the one I could get is really really an old thing. Those go for cheap these days on Ebay so I'll probably get another one as soon as I'm OK with the films. Hope TriX is forgiving as well with Tmax :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
TMax developer works well, and it has a long shelf life. I shot a roll of BW in my Leica a few months ago and processed it with some TMax that's been sitting on the shelf for about seven years. No problems. At normal development times, the negative density was spot on. When I was shooting a lot of BW, I preferred D-76 mixed 1:1 with water -- a somewhat gentle soup that yielded a nice range of midtones-- but it involved a lot of work, since D-76 is only sold as a mix-it-yourself powder. Paul On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Thibouille wrote: I bought Tmax because that's what my reseller had in stock. Heard a couple time Tmax is the best developper, ever. Dunno what to think about that but at least it is a good one, which is OK for me. 2010/12/8 Gasha cir...@konts.lv: Welcome to the club!!! I discovered these nice things about 5 years ago. So far used only Rodinal, but i hope to try also Ilfosol. Gasha Thibouille wrote: Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:13 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Old school is a timer on the wall, an interval stopwatch, or counting silently to yourself:-). Paul I used a stop watch when i was doing it at home and at trhe High school night classes i took from 2001-2004. I also used Iron Butterfly's Inagodadavida and souped till the drum solo.:-) Dave On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:01 AM, d...@rileyelf.free-online.co.uk wrote: I know it's a bit 'old school' but I use an app on my Palm called Foto Timer, http://www.jan-exner.de/software/fototimer.html it allows interval setting (for inversions etc.) with alarms. It also allows chained processes with pauses etc, so you can chain multiple processes used with a pause in between each. If anyone is still using a Palm it's well worth a download. Drew. Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
Now being retired, I have also given some thought to the (film) cameras and gear that I have accumulated but don't use. So home processing appeared on the scene. Am I better off sticking with Tri-X or has anybody had any experience with Kentmere (sp) that is being pushed a bit by one of the local stores. Also seeing some reports about a new to me Kodak developer (Xtol)that is easy to use and environmentally friendly. Given a choice I think I'd buy the small packets of D-76. Also, I am on a septic system. I read on the web that developers and stop baths are fairly close to vinegar and also fairly dilute. So there is not any problems flushing them (literally.) But the fixer does contain silver and some other potentially nasty stuff. Flush it also? Or mix everything together and flush it. That is another suggestion I saw. As a really secondary question, as I was inventorying my gear, I came across a really old pack of microdol. Is there a shelf life for sealed package of chemicals? Is microdol still available? John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net Thibouille wrote: 2010/12/8 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Tri-X in D-76 is pretty forgiving, you can soup in a bathroom and pretty much time it with your pulse. Learned to do that in a Photojournalism course taught by a semi-retried Photo-Editor from the Providence Journal. Except for the fact that that the film used was 35mm rather than 4x5 it was a technique that wouldn't have been alien to Weegee. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
Silver salts were used as an antibiotic, maybe still are. Large quantities would have a detrimental effect on your septic system, but you'd probably have to be processing in commercial quantities for it to be a serious problems. If you're really worried about the stop bath, Ilford's indicator stop bath is based on citric acid, (vitamin C). On 12/9/2010 12:13 PM, John Graves wrote: Now being retired, I have also given some thought to the (film) cameras and gear that I have accumulated but don't use. So home processing appeared on the scene. Am I better off sticking with Tri-X or has anybody had any experience with Kentmere (sp) that is being pushed a bit by one of the local stores. Also seeing some reports about a new to me Kodak developer (Xtol)that is easy to use and environmentally friendly. Given a choice I think I'd buy the small packets of D-76. Also, I am on a septic system. I read on the web that developers and stop baths are fairly close to vinegar and also fairly dilute. So there is not any problems flushing them (literally.) But the fixer does contain silver and some other potentially nasty stuff. Flush it also? Or mix everything together and flush it. That is another suggestion I saw. As a really secondary question, as I was inventorying my gear, I came across a really old pack of microdol. Is there a shelf life for sealed package of chemicals? Is microdol still available? John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net Thibouille wrote: 2010/12/8 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Tri-X in D-76 is pretty forgiving, you can soup in a bathroom and pretty much time it with your pulse. Learned to do that in a Photojournalism course taught by a semi-retried Photo-Editor from the Providence Journal. Except for the fact that that the film used was 35mm rather than 4x5 it was a technique that wouldn't have been alien to Weegee. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
(white) Vinegar is OK if diluted (I think about 2%-3% acid once diluted). Some do not make proper stop bath but use water to rinse and straight to fixer. Why not after all if develop time isn't critical. Stop bath isn't needed (on a chemical point of view) anyway. Some others use old fixer. Dunno if this is a great idea but it seems to work OK. Xtol is used at school, dunno the advantages compared to other developers, but this mean they find it to be good enough. 2010/12/9 John Graves jh.gra...@verizon.net: Now being retired, I have also given some thought to the (film) cameras and gear that I have accumulated but don't use. So home processing appeared on the scene. Am I better off sticking with Tri-X or has anybody had any experience with Kentmere (sp) that is being pushed a bit by one of the local stores. Also seeing some reports about a new to me Kodak developer (Xtol)that is easy to use and environmentally friendly. Given a choice I think I'd buy the small packets of D-76. Also, I am on a septic system. I read on the web that developers and stop baths are fairly close to vinegar and also fairly dilute. So there is not any problems flushing them (literally.) But the fixer does contain silver and some other potentially nasty stuff. Flush it also? Or mix everything together and flush it. That is another suggestion I saw. As a really secondary question, as I was inventorying my gear, I came across a really old pack of microdol. Is there a shelf life for sealed package of chemicals? Is microdol still available? John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net Thibouille wrote: 2010/12/8 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Tri-X in D-76 is pretty forgiving, you can soup in a bathroom and pretty much time it with your pulse. Learned to do that in a Photojournalism course taught by a semi-retried Photo-Editor from the Providence Journal. Except for the fact that that the film used was 35mm rather than 4x5 it was a technique that wouldn't have been alien to Weegee. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Graves jh.gra...@verizon.net wrote: Also seeing some reports about a new to me Kodak developer (Xtol)that is easy to use and environmentally friendly. Xtol was my standard developer when I dabbled in the darkroom, in the early 2000s. I used it on a wide variety of film (APX 25 to Delta 3200+) with good results. I found it easy to work with. My darkroom was very warm, and I was able to use diluted solutions (1:2 or 1:3) to get long enough development times. In a cooler darkroom, you could use it straight or at 1:1. It's an ascorbic acid developer (Vitamin C) so, as you say, environmentally friendly. Almost good enough to drink. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I hate Microdol as it is a grain-dissolving developer that robs you of sharpness. XTOL is probably as good as D76 and won't hurt your septic system. They don't sell the XTOL in small packets anymore, so you have to make a bunch. I love Prescysol for just about everything. You mix it and discard it (highly diluted). You can get it from Photographer's Formulary. Get a few syringes for measuring the concentrate. I also love PMK-pyro, another highly diluted one-shot developer, but you have to be pickier with films for that developer. Jeffery On Dec 9, 2010, at 11:13 AM, John Graves wrote: Now being retired, I have also given some thought to the (film) cameras and gear that I have accumulated but don't use. So home processing appeared on the scene. Am I better off sticking with Tri-X or has anybody had any experience with Kentmere (sp) that is being pushed a bit by one of the local stores. Also seeing some reports about a new to me Kodak developer (Xtol)that is easy to use and environmentally friendly. Given a choice I think I'd buy the small packets of D-76. Also, I am on a septic system. I read on the web that developers and stop baths are fairly close to vinegar and also fairly dilute. So there is not any problems flushing them (literally.) But the fixer does contain silver and some other potentially nasty stuff. Flush it also? Or mix everything together and flush it. That is another suggestion I saw. As a really secondary question, as I was inventorying my gear, I came across a really old pack of microdol. Is there a shelf life for sealed package of chemicals? Is microdol still available? John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net Thibouille wrote: 2010/12/8 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Tri-X in D-76 is pretty forgiving, you can soup in a bathroom and pretty much time it with your pulse. Learned to do that in a Photojournalism course taught by a semi-retried Photo-Editor from the Providence Journal. Except for the fact that that the film used was 35mm rather than 4x5 it was a technique that wouldn't have been alien to Weegee. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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jeffery, Xtol raises another question. I think I still have gallon brown plastic jugs in the garage that I had used for storage of developer etc. during a previous run at home processing. Assuming it has been more than 10 years since they were touched, can you, or anyone, suggest a cleaning method that would make them usable? John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net Jeffery Smith wrote: I hate Microdol as it is a grain-dissolving developer that robs you of sharpness. XTOL is probably as good as D76 and won't hurt your septic system. They don't sell the XTOL in small packets anymore, so you have to make a bunch. I love Prescysol for just about everything. You mix it and discard it (highly diluted). You can get it from Photographer's Formulary. Get a few syringes for measuring the concentrate. I also love PMK-pyro, another highly diluted one-shot developer, but you have to be pickier with films for that developer. Jeffery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
I have always used amber glass because of the gradual hardening of plastic jugs over time. Clorox oxidizes just about everything. I don't know of another substance that would clean them up without affecting the plastic. If you invest in some 500ml amber glass bottles, you can get them squeaky clean, and can fill them up to the tippy top to eliminate the air. One caveat about XTOL...when it goes bad, it doesn't look bad (doesn't get brown). If you develop with it after it has started going bad, you will get extremely thin negatives. I tried using Patterson ascorbic acid developer (the one formulated by the late Geoffrey Crawley). By the time it got from England to the US, it was dead. Kodak's HC110 is a reliable one-shot dilution from concentrate. You wouldn't have to fool around with jugs. It has many of the characteristics of D76. And for every combination of everything, look at www.digitaltruth.com and click on the massive development chart. Jeffery On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:20 PM, John Graves wrote: jeffery, Xtol raises another question. I think I still have gallon brown plastic jugs in the garage that I had used for storage of developer etc. during a previous run at home processing. Assuming it has been more than 10 years since they were touched, can you, or anyone, suggest a cleaning method that would make them usable? John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net Jeffery Smith wrote: I hate Microdol as it is a grain-dissolving developer that robs you of sharpness. XTOL is probably as good as D76 and won't hurt your septic system. They don't sell the XTOL in small packets anymore, so you have to make a bunch. I love Prescysol for just about everything. You mix it and discard it (highly diluted). You can get it from Photographer's Formulary. Get a few syringes for measuring the concentrate. I also love PMK-pyro, another highly diluted one-shot developer, but you have to be pickier with films for that developer. Jeffery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Another good page on HC-110: http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/hc110/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tmax Developer is excellent, but just about the most expensive option. I use it solely for pushing film as it's also just about the best for maintaining shadow detail when pushing. I most of my developing with D-76 or Rodinal, with the latter used solely for slow films and D-76 for any medium speed films. -Adam On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: TMax developer works well, and it has a long shelf life. I shot a roll of BW in my Leica a few months ago and processed it with some TMax that's been sitting on the shelf for about seven years. No problems. At normal development times, the negative density was spot on. When I was shooting a lot of BW, I preferred D-76 mixed 1:1 with water -- a somewhat gentle soup that yielded a nice range of midtones-- but it involved a lot of work, since D-76 is only sold as a mix-it-yourself powder. Paul On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Thibouille wrote: I bought Tmax because that's what my reseller had in stock. Heard a couple time Tmax is the best developper, ever. Dunno what to think about that but at least it is a good one, which is OK for me. 2010/12/8 Gasha cir...@konts.lv: Welcome to the club!!! I discovered these nice things about 5 years ago. So far used only Rodinal, but i hope to try also Ilfosol. Gasha Thibouille wrote: Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
BW film home made processing... now that is cheap (+smartphone helpful apps)
Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Welcome to the club!!! I discovered these nice things about 5 years ago. So far used only Rodinal, but i hope to try also Ilfosol. Gasha Thibouille wrote: Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I know it's a bit 'old school' but I use an app on my Palm called Foto Timer, http://www.jan-exner.de/software/fototimer.html it allows interval setting (for inversions etc.) with alarms. It also allows chained processes with pauses etc, so you can chain multiple processes used with a pause in between each. If anyone is still using a Palm it's well worth a download. Drew. Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Old school is a timer on the wall, an interval stopwatch, or counting silently to yourself:-). Paul On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:01 AM, d...@rileyelf.free-online.co.uk wrote: I know it's a bit 'old school' but I use an app on my Palm called Foto Timer, http://www.jan-exner.de/software/fototimer.html it allows interval setting (for inversions etc.) with alarms. It also allows chained processes with pauses etc, so you can chain multiple processes used with a pause in between each. If anyone is still using a Palm it's well worth a download. Drew. Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tri-X in D-76 is pretty forgiving, you can soup in a bathroom and pretty much time it with your pulse. Learned to do that in a Photojournalism course taught by a semi-retried Photo-Editor from the Providence Journal. Except for the fact that that the film used was 35mm rather than 4x5 it was a technique that wouldn't have been alien to Weegee. Let me see now, what was my point... Oh, yes. Pick a film and developer combination, and learn it, until getting constant results is second nature. Then branch out. On 12/8/2010 5:27 AM, Thibouille wrote: Just understood how cheaper it was to process film in house. Got material from my brother, just needed the chemical part. Got developper + fixer for 30 Euros, dunno if it is about a right price or not... I can process 40 35mm films with that, compared to 6 euros per film when dropped to my reseller. Ouch ! BTW, just found out there're a couple nice apps helping, at least on iPhone. The Massive Dev Chart, ( http://www.digitaltruth.com ) is available with complete database of developper/film times, stopwatch etc. Very impressive. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
