Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread AlunFoto
2009/7/29 Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com:
 Thanks - that looks exactly what I have going on.
 Now I wonder if I should replace the camera - but
 not *ALL* K7's have this problem - right?

I checked a number of exposures from mine yesterday and found nothing.
But then again ambient temperature is most likely a bit lower in these
parts right now...

Jostein


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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread mike wilson

 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: 
 I've examined a number of my exposures and have been unable to find  
 any faults. I've shot several hundred frames at a time, so I probably  
 have generated some heat.

You are not doing it right.  Face north, drop your trousers and video yourself 
singing all verses of the Star-spangled Banner for 20 minutes.  Then, 
_immediately_ photograph a black cat in a coal cellar.  Preferably at night.  
You will soon see what the problem is.

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread AlunFoto
2009/7/29 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:
 You are not doing it right.  Face north, drop your trousers and
 video yourself singing all verses of the Star-spangled Banner
 for 20 minutes.  Then, _immediately_ photograph a black cat
 in a coal cellar.  Preferably at night.
 You will soon see what the problem is.

You haven't got it right either, Mike. Since this is a problem of heat
dissipation, the procedure should be performed in the sauna. You can
bring the cat in too. Just switch the lights off.

Oh, and the correct song would be God shave the Queen, I think. :-)

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread mike wilson

 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 
 2009/7/29 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:
  You are not doing it right.  Face north, drop your trousers and
  video yourself singing all verses of the Star-spangled Banner
  for 20 minutes.  Then, _immediately_ photograph a black cat
  in a coal cellar.  Preferably at night.
  You will soon see what the problem is.
 
 You haven't got it right either, Mike. Since this is a problem of heat
 dissipation, the procedure should be performed in the sauna. You can
 bring the cat in too. Just switch the lights off.
 
 Oh, and the correct song would be God shave the Queen, I think. :-)

Now you're being picky.  But I won't get in a strop.

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread Mark Cassino
- Original Message 
From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

I've examined a number of my exposures and have been unable to find any faults. 
I've shot several hundred frames at a time, so I probably have generated some 
heat.
Paul

-

Thanks, Paul. That's what I was wondering about - looks like it is not a fault 
in all K7's, just some. this one will definitely be going back

- MCC


  

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread AlunFoto
2009/7/29 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:
 Oh, and the correct song would be God shave the Queen, I think. :-)
 Now you're being picky.  But I won't get in a strop.

Whether you need one depends on what you want to do with the cat.

Jostein

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RE: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Glad to hear it.  Always nice to deal with BH.

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Paul - BH really came through on this. I called, got an RMA, they will 
exchange the camera. It took all of 2 minutes on the phone to explain the 
problem and get things set up. 

They are a quality outfit. 

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Cassino

Subject: Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem





Thanks, Paul. That's what I was wondering about - looks like it is not a 
fault in all K7's, just some. this one will definitely be going back




FWIW, my first shoot with my K7 was over 1600 shots in ~2.5 hours. No issues 
with any of the exposures at all. Not even any out of focus shots, which is 
a first for me.


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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread P. J. Alling

I agree that's extremely annoying.

Mark Cassino wrote:

- Original Message 
From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com

Let me preface this by saying that if I had just bought a K-7 and 
noticed this I'd be disturbed, if not angry.  However in a lot of the 
examples the issue is hard to see even in the enhanced images.  Under 
normal circumstances with a good exposure, not trying every Photoshop 
trick to wring a bit more shadow detail out of an image, you might never 
see this.


P.J. -

It is a fiarly subtle problem, and I do wonder if it would show up in prints. 
On the other hand - knowing it's there will drive me crazy.

Here's a similar crop from the frame before the one I posted yesterday - 
straight from the raw file with no adjustments. It's still pretty visible, at 
least on the screen:

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1266.jpg

- MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-29 Thread Miserere
Some people are being diligent in checking EXIF before/after the green
line appearing and the sensor temp cut-off seems to be 35 C.

For what it's worth.


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2009/7/29 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
 I agree that's extremely annoying.

 Mark Cassino wrote:

 - Original Message 
 From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com

 Let me preface this by saying that if I had just bought a K-7 and noticed
 this I'd be disturbed, if not angry.  However in a lot of the examples the
 issue is hard to see even in the enhanced images.  Under normal
 circumstances with a good exposure, not trying every Photoshop trick to
 wring a bit more shadow detail out of an image, you might never see this.

 P.J. -

 It is a fiarly subtle problem, and I do wonder if it would show up in
 prints. On the other hand - knowing it's there will drive me crazy.

 Here's a similar crop from the frame before the one I posted yesterday -
 straight from the raw file with no adjustments. It's still pretty visible,
 at least on the screen:

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1266.jpg

 - MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread AlunFoto
Mark,

IIRC, someone had a blogpost somewhere about K20D having a systemic
fault that popped up in the same area for all affected cameras. In
case this is another one of those, would you mind describing where the
band occur in your images?

I'll check mine as soon as I get back from office. Thanks for the
heads-up and fingers crossed for a quick solution.

It's crap indeed. :-(

Jostein

2009/7/28 Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks 
 - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I 
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked 
 on them I realized there's a light colored band running through every single 
 image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my 
 K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Thibouille
Sorry to hear that Mark.
The firmware update coming very very soon may help. I hope so.

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Cotty
On 27/7/09, Mark Cassino, discombobulated, unleashed:


Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday.
(Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help
identify the hot pixel column.

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

I'm sure I've seen this before where the pictures get slightly scored as
they are pulled through from the sensor to the SD card. Make sure no
sharp edges where you insert the SD card.

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Thibouille
Makes me remember I had such a problem with my istD in Greece, years
ago: the embedded Jpeg was OK but the RAW was not.
It was the very singe time this happened to me. Maybe a card write
problem. I will never know.

hat K-7 thing however seem to be documented somehow. I still think
that might be easily cured in a firmware update, coming this wednesday
AFAIK.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Cottycotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 27/7/09, Mark Cassino, discombobulated, unleashed:


Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday.
(Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help
identify the hot pixel column.

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 I'm sure I've seen this before where the pictures get slightly scored as
 they are pulled through from the sensor to the SD card. Make sure no
 sharp edges where you insert the SD card.

 Best of luck.

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread David J Brooks
Bummer Mark, hope it gets taken care of.

Just a thought, does this happen on more than 1 card. Might be a bum card.??

Dave

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Mark Cassinomarkcass...@ymail.com wrote:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks 
 - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I 
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked 
 on them I realized there's a light colored band running through every single 
 image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my 
 K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
Thanks, Jack - if it is a known isue at least I won't have to spend as much 
time convincing Pentax or BH that it is a real issue. I'm seeing it at ISO 
200, 400, and 800. (I haven't shot much at higher speeds...)

- MCC



- Original Message 
From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com

Wish I had a some usable info to pass on, but I remember reading about this on 
dpreview and the fact that it was being experienced only at low ISO settings. 
It might be in their archives of about a week and a half to two weeks ago.
No help, I realize, but the fact that it is a recognized problem may be 
reassuring.(?)

Jack


  

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
Thanks, Joseph - I didn't think of the pixel mapping thingy. I'll give that a 
try tonight.

- MCC



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From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com

Did you happen to run the Pixel Mapping procedure?

Not that I think in your case that it will repair your problem, but it will try 
to correct bad pixels.

In your case I think it might be a bad connection between the sensor and it's 
sub-ass'y.


  

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
The bad column of pixels is # 1265, give or take one or two. That' sopening the 
RAW file at 14.5 megapixels with no up or down sampling...

- MCC



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Mark,

IIRC, someone had a blogpost somewhere about K20D having a systemic
fault that popped up in the same area for all affected cameras. In
case this is another one of those, would you mind describing where the
band occur in your images?

I'll check mine as soon as I get back from office. Thanks for the
heads-up and fingers crossed for a quick solution.

It's crap indeed. :-(

Jostein

2009/7/28 Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks 
 - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I 
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked 
 on them I realized there's a light colored band running through every single 
 image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my 
 K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
I'll try to do some research on the update - hadn't heard about it but I've 
been more or less off-line these last couple of weeks.

- MCC



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Sorry to hear that Mark.
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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
Har!

- MCC



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Subject: Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

On 27/7/09, Mark Cassino, discombobulated, unleashed:


Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday.
(Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help
identify the hot pixel column.

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

I'm sure I've seen this before where the pictures get slightly scored as
they are pulled through from the sensor to the SD card. Make sure no
sharp edges where you insert the SD card.

Best of luck.

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Miserere
Marc,

Not that I want to alarm you, but you are not the only one with this
problem. In fact, we might want to call it an epidemic:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/65879-k7-busted-sensor-strikes-production-body.html

I'm sure a firmware patch will come soon, but I would feel a lot
better if Pentax had bought sensors that didn't overheat as easily.
(Anyone at Samsung listening?)

I wonder if the weather-sealing prevents the sensor from cooling efficiently...


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2009/7/27 Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks 
 - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I 
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked 
 on them I realized there's a light colored band running through every single 
 image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my 
 K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Gonz
Err.. or column, depending on how its implemented

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gonzrgonzoma...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not a card problem.  Probably a row amplifier on the sensor itself.

 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bummer Mark, hope it gets taken care of.

 Just a thought, does this happen on more than 1 card. Might be a bum card.??

 Dave

 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Mark Cassinomarkcass...@ymail.com wrote:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 
 weeks - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. 
 Yesterday I got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. 
 As I worked on them I realized there's a light colored band running through 
 every single image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've 
 shot with my K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on 
 one of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Let me preface this by saying that if I had just bought a K-7 and 
noticed this I'd be disturbed, if not angry.  However in a lot of the 
examples the issue is hard to see even in the enhanced images.  Under 
normal circumstances with a good exposure, not trying every Photoshop 
trick to wring a bit more shadow detail out of an image, you might never 
see this.


Miserere wrote:

Marc,

Not that I want to alarm you, but you are not the only one with this
problem. In fact, we might want to call it an epidemic:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/65879-k7-busted-sensor-strikes-production-body.html

I'm sure a firmware patch will come soon, but I would feel a lot
better if Pentax had bought sensors that didn't overheat as easily.
(Anyone at Samsung listening?)

I wonder if the weather-sealing prevents the sensor from cooling efficiently...


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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Gonz
Not a card problem.  Probably a row amplifier on the sensor itself.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bummer Mark, hope it gets taken care of.

 Just a thought, does this happen on more than 1 card. Might be a bum card.??

 Dave

 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Mark Cassinomarkcass...@ymail.com wrote:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 
 weeks - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. 
 Yesterday I got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. 
 As I worked on them I realized there's a light colored band running through 
 every single image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've 
 shot with my K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
- Original Message 
From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com

Let me preface this by saying that if I had just bought a K-7 and 
noticed this I'd be disturbed, if not angry.  However in a lot of the 
examples the issue is hard to see even in the enhanced images.  Under 
normal circumstances with a good exposure, not trying every Photoshop 
trick to wring a bit more shadow detail out of an image, you might never 
see this.

P.J. -

It is a fiarly subtle problem, and I do wonder if it would show up in prints. 
On the other hand - knowing it's there will drive me crazy.

Here's a similar crop from the frame before the one I posted yesterday - 
straight from the raw file with no adjustments. It's still pretty visible, at 
least on the screen:

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1266.jpg

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
Er... Actually it's pixel column 2455. 

- MCC


- Original Message 
From: Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:43:16 AM
Subject: Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

The bad column of pixels is # 1265, give or take one or two. That' sopening the 
RAW file at 14.5 megapixels with no up or down sampling...

- MCC



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Subject: Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

Mark,

IIRC, someone had a blogpost somewhere about K20D having a systemic
fault that popped up in the same area for all affected cameras. In
case this is another one of those, would you mind describing where the
band occur in your images?

I'll check mine as soon as I get back from office. Thanks for the
heads-up and fingers crossed for a quick solution.

It's crap indeed. :-(

Jostein

2009/7/28 Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks 
 - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I 
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked 
 on them I realized there's a light colored band running through every single 
 image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my 
 K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
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From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com

Marc,

Not that I want to alarm you, but you are not the only one with this
problem. In fact, we might want to call it an epidemic:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/65879-k7-busted-sensor-strikes-production-body.html

I'm sure a firmware patch will come soon, but I would feel a lot
better if Pentax had bought sensors that didn't overheat as easily.
(Anyone at Samsung listening?)

I wonder if the weather-sealing prevents the sensor from cooling efficiently...


--M.

-

Thanks - that looks exactly what I have going on. Now I wonder if I should 
replace the camera - but not *ALL* K7's have this problem - right? 

- MCC


  

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Cassino
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From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Crap. After this long, BH might tell you to go to Pentax. I hope not. Good 
luck with this, and let us know how it turns out.
Paul

-

Paul - BH really came through on this. I called, got an RMA, they will 
exchange the camera. It took all of 2 minutes on the phone to explain the 
problem and get things set up. 

They are a quality outfit. 

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread paul stenquist
I've examined a number of my exposures and have been unable to find  
any faults. I've shot several hundred frames at a time, so I probably  
have generated some heat.

Paul
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:


- Original Message 
From: Miserere miser...@gmail.com

Marc,

Not that I want to alarm you, but you are not the only one with this
problem. In fact, we might want to call it an epidemic:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/65879-k7-busted-sensor-strikes-production-body.html

I'm sure a firmware patch will come soon, but I would feel a lot
better if Pentax had bought sensors that didn't overheat as easily.
(Anyone at Samsung listening?)

I wonder if the weather-sealing prevents the sensor from cooling  
efficiently...



--M.

-

Thanks - that looks exactly what I have going on. Now I wonder if I  
should replace the camera - but not *ALL* K7's have this problem -  
right?


- MCC




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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread paul stenquist
Excellent. They did the same for me on the DA* 16-50 lens, but I think  
it was a shorter time period.

Paul
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:


- Original Message 
From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Crap. After this long, BH might tell you to go to Pentax. I hope  
not. Good luck with this, and let us know how it turns out.

Paul

-

Paul - BH really came through on this. I called, got an RMA, they  
will exchange the camera. It took all of 2 minutes on the phone to  
explain the problem and get things set up.


They are a quality outfit.

- MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
I have struggled to reach pentaxforums all day.
Finally, I was able to read the posts today.
From page 2 - falconeye in Munich
General comment ...

1. this is no stitching artifact (because it is possible to get 3
lines in extremely rare cases)

2. You normally should only get it with a hot sensor (red thermometer
appering in LV or movie mode). With a red thermometer, it may be
considered normal extra noise. Without a red thermometer visible in
LV, it shouldn't emerge in images. Even with the red thermometer, the
line is very faint.

3. The red thermometer needs more than 10 minutes constant LV/movie
recording to appear (except in hot sunshine). And disapperas rather
quickly.

4. In normal photo operation (with breaks in between invocations of
LV), the phenomenon should not be present at all. It is not necessary
to avoid LV. If it is, then the camera is defect. None of my images
(execpt for the one where I provoqued the issue) has this and I used
LV a lot.


So, an overheated K-7 sensor may exhibit a faint vertical line with
additional noise. This is acceptable to me (can be easily removed for
a keeper). Nothing to panic about.

Doesn't minimize your problem Mark, but sounds like a way to provoke it.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:
 Marc,

 Not that I want to alarm you, but you are not the only one with this
 problem. In fact, we might want to call it an epidemic:

 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/65879-k7-busted-sensor-strikes-production-body.html

 I'm sure a firmware patch will come soon, but I would feel a lot
 better if Pentax had bought sensors that didn't overheat as easily.
 (Anyone at Samsung listening?)

 I wonder if the weather-sealing prevents the sensor from cooling 
 efficiently...


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 2009/7/27 Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 
 weeks - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. 
 Yesterday I got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. 
 As I worked on them I realized there's a light colored band running through 
 every single image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've 
 shot with my K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Mark Cassino
I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks - 
which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I got 
that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked on them 
I realized there's a light colored band running through every single image I 
shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my K7, the same 
problem shows up in every single image.

Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
(Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify the 
hot pixel column.

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one of 
the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into thinking it 
was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in the morning.

Did I say CRAP!

MCC

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RE: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Desjardins, Steve
Yeah, that's a real effect.  Hopefully, they'll just replace it.  The fly looks 
pretty annoyed about it as well.  

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Cassino 
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Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:26 PM
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Subject: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks - 
which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I got 
that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked on them 
I realized there's a light colored band running through every single image I 
shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my K7, the same 
problem shows up in every single image.

Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
(Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify the 
hot pixel column.

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one of 
the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into thinking it 
was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in the morning.

Did I say CRAP!

MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread paul stenquist
Crap. After this long, BH might tell you to go to Pentax. I hope not.  
Good luck with this, and let us know how it turns out.

Paul
On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:

I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the  
last 7 weeks - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real  
workout. Yesterday I got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures  
out in the field. As I worked on them I realized there's a light  
colored band running through every single image I shot yesterday.  
Looking back over all the images I've shot with my K7, the same  
problem shows up in every single image.


Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took  
yesterday. (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide  
arrows help identify the hot pixel column.


http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed  
it on one of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled  
myself into thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot.  
I'll be calling BH in the morning.


Did I say CRAP!

MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
If you can get the store you bought it from to take it back, you should 
be able to get an exchange.  Otherwise it's warranty repair time.


Mark Cassino wrote:

I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks - 
which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I got 
that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked on them 
I realized there's a light colored band running through every single image I 
shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my K7, the same 
problem shows up in every single image.

Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
(Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify the 
hot pixel column.

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one of the 
very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into thinking it was 
just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in the morning.

Did I say CRAP!

MCC

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Mark Cassino
Thanks, Paul. Hopefully BH can respond, but if not I'll send it into Pentax. 

Well - there's 10 rolls of HIE recently expired in my freezer - so when the K7 
goes off to get fixed up, I'll give the LX a workout and try to remember how to 
develop film

- MCC


- Original Message 
From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:31:48 PM
Subject: Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

Crap. After this long, BH might tell you to go to Pentax. I hope not. Good 
luck with this, and let us know how it turns out.
Paul
On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Mark Cassino wrote:

 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks 
 - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I 
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked 
 on them I realized there's a light colored band running through every single 
 image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my 
 K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.
 
 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.
 
 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg
 
 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.
 
 Did I say CRAP!
 
 MCC
 
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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Mark Cassino
- Original Message 
From: Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu

 The fly looks pretty annoyed about it as well.  

I should of snared her and stuck her in the box that the camera is going back 
in - nothing worse than an angry dragonfly!

MCC


  

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Boris Liberman

That's not good. Hopefully it will resolve quickly.

I should say I do hope that whatever I get (on special order as they 
said yesterday) will not have such problems as it might not be an easy 
task to get them to fix it here, where I live.


Boris



Mark Cassino wrote:

I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last
7 weeks - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real
workout. Yesterday I got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures
out in the field. As I worked on them I realized there's a light
colored band running through every single image I shot yesterday.
Looking back over all the images I've shot with my K7, the same
problem shows up in every single image.

Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took
yesterday. (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide
arrows help identify the hot pixel column.

http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it
on one of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled
myself into thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll
be calling BH in the morning.

Did I say CRAP!

MCC



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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Joseph Tainter

Mark wrote:

Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
(Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help 
identify the hot pixel column.


http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In

-

This looks like a problem that developed in the sensor of my K20D after 
about 2000 or 2500 exposures. It was under warranty, and Pentax replaced 
all of the camera's internals.


Ruined many photos from a trip to Rome last November.

Joe

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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
Mark,
Hope BH can resolve it for you.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mark Cassinomarkcass...@ymail.com wrote:
 I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks 
 - which has left very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I 
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the field. As I worked 
 on them I realized there's a light colored band running through every single 
 image I shot yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my 
 K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.

 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took yesterday. 
 (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide arrows help identify 
 the hot pixel column.

 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed it on one 
 of the very first shots I took with the camera, but fooled myself into 
 thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in 
 the morning.

 Did I say CRAP!

 MCC

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 Mark Cassino Photography
 Kalamazoo, Michigan
 www.markcassino.com
 www.calarti.com
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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Jack Davis
Wish I had a some usable info to pass on, but I remember reading about this on 
dpreview and the fact that it was being experienced only at low ISO settings. 
It might be in their archives of about a week and a half to two weeks ago.
No help, I realize, but the fact that it is a recognized problem may be 
reassuring.(?)

Jack



--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com wrote:

 From: Mark Cassino markcass...@ymail.com
 Subject: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:26 PM
 I got a new job and have been on the
 road traveling for 5 of the last 7 weeks - which has left
 very little time to give the K7 a real workout. Yesterday I
 got that chance, and shot about 600 exposures out in the
 field. As I worked on them I realized there's a light
 colored band running through every single image I shot
 yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with
 my K7, the same problem shows up in every single image.
 
 Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I
 took yesterday. (Apologies - the shot is not properly
 focused.) Guide arrows help identify the hot pixel column.
 
 http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg
 
 It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I
 noticed it on one of the very first shots I took with the
 camera, but fooled myself into thinking it was just a bit of
 spiderweb in the shot. I'll be calling BH in the
 morning.
 
 Did I say CRAP!
 
 MCC
 
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 www.markcassino.com 
 www.calarti.com
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Re: Crap! K7 Sensor Problem

2009-07-27 Thread Joseph McAllister

Did you happen to run the Pixel Mapping procedure?

Not that I think in your case that it will repair your problem, but it  
will try to correct bad pixels.


In your case I think it might be a bad connection between the sensor  
and it's sub-ass'y.



On Jul 27, 2009, at 20:13 , Bob Sullivan wrote:

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Mark Cassinomarkcass...@ymail.com  
wrote:
I got a new job and have been on the road traveling for 5 of the  
last 7 weeks - which has left very little time to give the K7 a  
real workout. Yesterday I got that chance, and shot about 600  
exposures out in the field. As I worked on them I realized there's  
a light colored band running through every single image I shot  
yesterday. Looking back over all the images I've shot with my K7,  
the same problem shows up in every single image.


Here's a sample - actual pixels of the very last shot I took  
yesterday. (Apologies - the shot is not properly focused.) Guide  
arrows help identify the hot pixel column.


http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1267.jpg

It's a subtle problem, but a real problem. In hindsight, I noticed  
it on one of the very first shots I took with the camera, but  
fooled myself into thinking it was just a bit of spiderweb in the  
shot. I'll be calling BH in the morning.


Did I say CRAP!


Joseph McAllister
pentax...@mac.com

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