Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think that's entirely true.  This is a leveler.  There's a 
saying supposedly from the Old West, God created Men, Sam Colt made them 
equal.  In a fight with clubs the bigger heavier opponent has an 
advantage in a fight with guns, a lot of that advantage goes away.


Let me tell a story, a few years ago, I visited some friends in Florida, 
and we had a day trip to a baseball spring training camp.  The nice 
thing about spring training is that you get to see actual pros in a park 
with less strictures than AA ball, and for my purposes at least, the 
pitcher wasn't trying quite so hard to keep the batter from actually 
getting a hit.


I planted myself on the sidelines pretty much just off the third base 
line, and shot few rolls of B trying to get the moment when the batter 
connected with the ball.  I kind of know baseball, used to watch a lot 
of AAA games, so I know at close range what to look for when the batter 
is actually going to take a swing.


I'm not a award winning sports photographer, but out of my four rolls or 
so of film I managed to get one shot where the batter connected, and a 
couple just after.  (damn, I really wish I knew where the negatives got 
to at this point).


I was shooting with an LX and the power winder and 300mm f4.0.  I got 
three almost shots and one good one out of four rolls of film.  All I 
had to do was hit the shutter button when the batter started to move.  
With the Sony I'd have gotten pretty much all of them closer than my 
three misses.


On 4/20/2017 3:21 PM, postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

Stanley Halpin <s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:


If the photog doesn’t exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
happened is that the
burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the field to the editor’s 
desk. The technology
may be a game changer, but getting “the” shot may still be a rarity.

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.




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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[ann sanfedele]

On 4/20/2017 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.


From my experience, technology has little to do with the gap between the 

work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.

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Or for that matter - the work of a talented amateur and an unskilled pro :-)

ann

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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Only $5,000?

What a bargain.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:00 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> If you want to pay the price.
>
> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF
> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional
> sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it
> as well.
>
> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're
> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub
> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary
> anymore.
>
> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely
> to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play
> something will be usable.
>
> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that
> something important has been lost.
>
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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[Ken Waller]

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.


From my experience, technology has little to do with the gap between the 

work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!


Stanley Halpin <s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:

If the photog doesn't exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
happened is that the
burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the field to the 
editor's desk. The technology

may be a game changer, but getting "the" shot may still be a rarity.


Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.


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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[John Sessoms]

If you've got enough mega-pixels you don't even need that great of a
sense of direction or framing. You can crop it down to the image you
want in post.


On 4/20/2017 12:13, Bob W-PDML wrote:

It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still
have to know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the
subject matter, and when to press the button.


On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you want to pay the price.

So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no
EVF blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a
professional sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet
I am saddened by it as well.

It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport
you're covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII,
Russian sub machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot
isn't necessary anymore.

Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most
likely to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are
on every play something will be usable.

It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
important has been lost.




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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

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Stanley Halpin <s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:

>If the photog doesn’t exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
>happened is that the 
>burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the field to the editor’s 
>desk. The technology
> may be a game changer, but getting “the” shot may still be a rarity.

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.

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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[Stanley Halpin]

If the photog doesn’t exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
happened is that the burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the 
field to the editor’s desk. The technology may be a game changer, but getting 
“the” shot may still be a rarity.

stan

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:05 PM, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but it doesn't take nearly as much skill.
> 
> That's half what big name sports photographers used to get paid for, the 
> knowledge of the sport, not just where to point the camera, someone with a 
> bit more than passing knowledge can do that,  but when press the shutter to 
> capture the best possible shot.
> 
> Hell I remember when you had to focus the lens yourself and a lot of 
> newspaper sports photogs actually used Spotmatics rather than Nikons because 
> they were light weight, and the extras the Nikon gave didn't help all that 
> much.
> 
> Now I'm not saying we should go back to the good ol' days they kinda sucked.  
> But now we've actually reached the point where in, the minds of upper 
> management, a monkey can take the shot, and now they're almost right.
> 
> 
> On 4/20/2017 12:13 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
>> know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, 
>> and when to press the button.
>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want to pay the price.
>>> 
>>> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
>>> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional 
>>> sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it 
>>> as well.
>>> 
>>> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
>>> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
>>> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary 
>>> anymore.
>>> 
>>> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely 
>>> to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play 
>>> something will be usable.
>>> 
>>> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that 
>>> something important has been lost.
>>> 


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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[P. J. Alling]

Yes, but it doesn't take nearly as much skill.

That's half what big name sports photographers used to get paid for, the 
knowledge of the sport, not just where to point the camera, someone with 
a bit more than passing knowledge can do that,  but when press the 
shutter to capture the best possible shot.


Hell I remember when you had to focus the lens yourself and a lot of 
newspaper sports photogs actually used Spotmatics rather than Nikons 
because they were light weight, and the extras the Nikon gave didn't 
help all that much.


Now I'm not saying we should go back to the good ol' days they kinda 
sucked.  But now we've actually reached the point where in, the minds of 
upper management, a monkey can take the shot, and now they're almost right.



On 4/20/2017 12:13 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, and 
when to press the button.


On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you want to pay the price.

So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional sports 
photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it as well.

It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary anymore.

Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely to 
take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play something 
will be usable.

It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
important has been lost.


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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[ann sanfedele]

MARK!

On 4/20/2017 12:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

And a moment is just an interval that's too short to bother with





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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

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And a moment is just an interval that's too short to bother with

> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:14, Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
> 
> It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
> know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, 
> and when to press the button.
> 
>> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If you want to pay the price.
>> 
>> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
>> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional sports 
>> photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it as well.
>> 
>> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
>> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
>> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary 
>> anymore.
>> 
>> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely 
>> to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play 
>> something will be usable.
>> 
>> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
>> important has been lost.
>> 
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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

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It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, and 
when to press the button.

> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you want to pay the price.
> 
> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional sports 
> photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it as well.
> 
> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary 
> anymore.
> 
> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely to 
> take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play 
> something will be usable.
> 
> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
> important has been lost.
> 
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Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[P. J. Alling]

If you want to pay the price.

So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional 
sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by 
it as well.


It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport 
you're covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian 
sub machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't 
necessary anymore.


Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most 
likely to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on 
every play something will be usable.


It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that 
something important has been lost.



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Re: OT: Decisive Moment

[John]

The passengers might be safe, but their underwear is not.

On 8/26/2016 12:09 AM, Alan C wrote:

An amazing catch but I don't agree. The metallic body forms a Faraday
Cage so the lightning bolt would pass around (not through) the exterior
of the body & then to earth. The passengers would be quite safe.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:01 PM
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Subject: OT: Decisive Moment

Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike

Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and exited
from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
likely required for most of the passengers "

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Re: Decisive Moment

[mike wilson]

The plane probably has little capacity left to discharge its duties, so it will
be grounded.

> On 27 August 2016 at 02:38 Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ohm my goodness, no!
> 
> Just wondering watts next.
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> 
> > I'm sensing resistance to the current discussion.
> > 
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:18 PM, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Not to mention a load of static.
> >> 
> >>> On 26 August 2016 at 17:07 Gonz <rgonzoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> At least he got a real charge out of it.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> "Bolt" upright? Nice one Rick! :-0
> >>>> J
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
> >>>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <
> >> danmaty...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
> >>>>>> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although
> >> it was
> >>>>>> definitely a shocking experience.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Dan Matyola
> >>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet
> >> of
> >>>>>>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
> >>>>>>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats &
> >> then
> >>>>>>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage
> >> at
> >>>>>>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady
> >> had
> >>>>>>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Alan C
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
> >>>>>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your
> >> grandkids
> >>>>>>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
> >>>>>>> lightning"
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Brian
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ++
> >>>>>>> Brian Walters
> >>>>>>> Western Sydney Australia
> >>>>>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in
> >> Atlanta
> >>>>>>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior
> >> and
> >>>>>>>> exited
> >>>>>>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new
> >>>>>>>> pants
> >>>>>>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Dan Matyola
> >>>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: Decisive Moment

[ann sanfedele]

This thread is getting revolting

On 8/26/2016 9:38 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Ohm my goodness, no!

Just wondering watts next.

I'm sensing resistance to the current discussion.

Not to mention a load of static.
at least he got a real charge out of it.


I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.





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Re: Decisive Moment

[Rick Womer]

Ohm my goodness, no!

Just wondering watts next.


On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> I'm sensing resistance to the current discussion.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:18 PM, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Not to mention a load of static.
>> 
>>> On 26 August 2016 at 17:07 Gonz <rgonzoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At least he got a real charge out of it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> "Bolt" upright? Nice one Rick! :-0
>>>> J
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
>>>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <
>> danmaty...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
>>>>>> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although
>> it was
>>>>>> definitely a shocking experience.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan Matyola
>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet
>> of
>>>>>>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
>>>>>>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats &
>> then
>>>>>>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage
>> at
>>>>>>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady
>> had
>>>>>>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alan C
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your
>> grandkids
>>>>>>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
>>>>>>> lightning"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ++
>>>>>>> Brian Walters
>>>>>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>>>>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in
>> Atlanta
>>>>>>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior
>> and
>>>>>>>> exited
>>>>>>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new
>>>>>>>> pants
>>>>>>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dan Matyola
>>>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
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Re: OT: Decisive Moment

[Mark C]

Cool image - I was going to comment on the odds of getting that exact 
shot but looked at the article and noticed it was a frame grab from a video.


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On 8/25/2016 5:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike

Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and exited
from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
likely required for most of the passengers "

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Re: Decisive Moment

[Rick Womer]

I had a flash of inspiration.

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Bolt" upright? Nice one Rick! :-0
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
>>> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although it was
>>> definitely a shocking experience.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of
>>>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
>>>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then
>>>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at
>>>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had
>>>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
>>>>
>>>> Alan C
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
>>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
>>>>
>>>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
>>>>
>>>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
>>>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
>>>> lightning"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> ++
>>>> Brian Walters
>>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
>>>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
>>>>> exited
>>>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
>>>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan Matyola
>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: Decisive Moment

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I'm sensing resistance to the current discussion.

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:18 PM, mike wilson <m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> Not to mention a load of static.
>
> > On 26 August 2016 at 17:07 Gonz <rgonzoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > At least he got a real charge out of it.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > > "Bolt" upright? Nice one Rick! :-0
> > > J
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
> > >> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <
> danmaty...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
> > >>> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although
> it was
> > >>> definitely a shocking experience.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Dan Matyola
> > >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet
> of
> > >>>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
> > >>>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats &
> then
> > >>>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage
> at
> > >>>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady
> had
> > >>>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Alan C
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
> > >>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
> > >>>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your
> grandkids
> > >>>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
> > >>>> lightning"
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Brian
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ++
> > >>>> Brian Walters
> > >>>> Western Sydney Australia
> > >>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in
> Atlanta
> > >>>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior
> and
> > >>>>> exited
> > >>>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new
> > >>>>> pants
> > >>>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dan Matyola
> > >>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
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Re: Decisive Moment

[mike wilson]

Not to mention a load of static.

> On 26 August 2016 at 17:07 Gonz <rgonzoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> At least he got a real charge out of it.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > "Bolt" upright? Nice one Rick! :-0
> > J
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
> >> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
> >>> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although it was
> >>> definitely a shocking experience.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dan Matyola
> >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of
> >>>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
> >>>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then
> >>>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at
> >>>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had
> >>>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan C
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
> >>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
> >>>>
> >>>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
> >>>>
> >>>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
> >>>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
> >>>> lightning"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>> ++
> >>>> Brian Walters
> >>>> Western Sydney Australia
> >>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
> >>>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
> >>>>> exited
> >>>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new
> >>>>> pants
> >>>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan Matyola
> >>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: Decisive Moment

[Gonz]

At least he got a real charge out of it.


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Bolt" upright? Nice one Rick! :-0
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
>>> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although it was
>>> definitely a shocking experience.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of
>>>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
>>>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then
>>>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at
>>>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had
>>>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
>>>>
>>>> Alan C
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
>>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
>>>>
>>>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
>>>>
>>>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
>>>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
>>>> lightning"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> ++
>>>> Brian Walters
>>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
>>>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
>>>>> exited
>>>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
>>>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan Matyola
>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: Decisive Moment

[Jack Davis]

"Bolt" upright? Nice one Rick! :-0
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
>> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although it was
>> definitely a shocking experience.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of
>>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
>>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then
>>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at
>>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had
>>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
>>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
>>> 
>>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
>>> 
>>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
>>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
>>> lightning"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> ++
>>> Brian Walters
>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
>>>> 
>>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
>>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
>>>> exited
>>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
>>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
>>>> 
>>>> Dan Matyola
>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: Decisive Moment

[Rick Womer]

I'm sure it had you sitting bolt upright.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
> lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although it was
> definitely a shocking experience.
>
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>
>> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of
>> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
>> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then
>> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at
>> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had
>> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
>>
>> Alan C
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
>>
>> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
>>
>> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
>> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
>> lightning"
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
>>>
>>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
>>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
>>> exited
>>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
>>> likely required for most of the passengers "
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> --
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Re: Decisive Moment

[Alan C]

Shocking indeed! Without a direct earth the Al body would remain charged for 
some time. Composites used to make light aircraft have metal strands woven 
in.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Decisive Moment

Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although it was
definitely a shocking experience.


Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:


Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of
about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then
jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at
water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had
burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Brian Walters
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment

Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!

You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
lightning"


Cheers

Brian

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike

Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
exited
from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
likely required for most of the passengers "

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Re: Decisive Moment

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Back in my military aviation days, I was in a plane that was hit by
lightning.  It disrupted our avionics, but not much else, although it was
definitely a shocking experience.


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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

> Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of
> about 12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near
> Tzaneen. The charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then
> jumped the short gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at
> water level ranging from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had
> burns on her arm. Thank goodness for Faraday!
>
> Alan C
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> -Original Message- From: Brian Walters
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment
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> Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!
>
> You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
> witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
> lightning"
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
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> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
>>
>> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
>> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
>> exited
>> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
>> likely required for most of the passengers "
>>
>> Dan Matyola
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Re: Decisive Moment

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Some years ago when I still sailed dinghies (Enterprise) the fleet of about 
12 was struck by lightning during a race at Ebeneezer Dam near Tzaneen. The 
charge passed down the mast & shrouds of the boats & then jumped the short 
gap to the water. All the boats showed some damage at water level ranging 
from burn marks to de-lamination. One crew lady had burns on her arm. Thank 
goodness for Faraday!


Alan C

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:44 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: Decisive Moment

Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!

You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
lightning"


Cheers

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike

Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
exited
from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
likely required for most of the passengers "

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Re: OT: Decisive Moment

[Alan C]

An amazing catch but I don't agree. The metallic body forms a Faraday Cage 
so the lightning bolt would pass around (not through) the exterior of the 
body & then to earth. The passengers would be quite safe.


Alan C

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Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike

Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and exited
from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
likely required for most of the passengers "

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Re: OT: Decisive Moment

[Brian Walters]

Ouch - that would get your pacemaker recharged in a hurry!

You could dine out on a story like that for years.  Bore your grandkids
witless - "Did I ever tell you kids the time when a bolt of
lightning"


Cheers

Brian

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016, at 07:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike
> 
> Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
> this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and
> exited
> from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
> likely required for most of the passengers "
> 
> Dan Matyola
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OT: Decisive Moment

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Interesting shot:  http://bit.ly/Delta_Plane_Lightning_Strike

Comments from the poster, Brian Bledsoe"Delta flight landing in Atlanta
this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and exited
from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants
likely required for most of the passengers "

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Re: OT: Giving New Meaning to "The Decisive Moment"

[P.J. Alling]

To quote someone or other, "Living things are messy. Everywhere, they 
go, they leave behind lots of snot, excrement, and just plain slime."


On 7/25/2016 9:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://themetapicture.com/capturing-nature-in-action/

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Re: OT: Giving New Meaning to "The Decisive Moment"

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“To photograph: it is to put on the same line of sight the head, the eye and 
the heart.” 
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"And the arse - don't forget the arse!"
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> http://themetapicture.com/capturing-nature-in-action/
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OT: Giving New Meaning to "The Decisive Moment"

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http://themetapicture.com/capturing-nature-in-action/

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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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We just returned from our month in Maui, and the book was here waiting for me.

All I can say is WOW!  I have only been able to leaf through it
quickly, but it is a beautiful and impressive volume.  I will have to
spend a few hours tonight and tomorrow (a holiday here in the US)
looking over the many intriguing and astonishing image.

Well worth the money, indeed.

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi All—

 My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
 beautiful—slipcase, large format—looking forward to curling up on the couch 
 and have a leisurely look-see.

 Thanks, Bob W. for the heads up!  Very happy with my purchase!

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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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Enjoy - mine arrived a few weeks ago. Nice isn't it?

B



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 Hi All—
 
 My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
 beautiful—slipcase, large format—looking forward to curling up on the couch 
 and have a leisurely look-see.
 
 Thanks, Bob W. for the heads up!  Very happy with my purchase!
 
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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi All—

My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
beautiful—slipcase, 
large format—looking forward to curling up on the couch and have a leisurely 
look-see.

UPS tracking says mine will arrive today!
 
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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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Don't worry, if it's anything like last time you'll only have to wait 62 years.

B

P.s. I had no idea it was Amazon's birthday - happy birthday, Amazon!



 On 7 Feb 2015, at 10:34, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 
 I've just ordered it with some handy Amazon birthday vouchers. Out of
 stock so I have to wait...
 
 Chris
 
 On 6 February 2015 at 23:30, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi All—
 
 My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
 beautiful—slipcase, large format—looking forward to curling up on the couch 
 and have a leisurely look-see.
 
 Thanks, Bob W. for the heads up!  Very happy with my purchase!
 
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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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I've just ordered it with some handy Amazon birthday vouchers. Out of
stock so I have to wait...

Chris

On 6 February 2015 at 23:30, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi All—

 My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
 beautiful—slipcase, large format—looking forward to curling up on the couch 
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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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 On Feb 7, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
 
 Enjoy it! It's a lovely edition. :-)

Indeed!  :-)  Cheers, Christine
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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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Enjoy it! It's a lovely edition. :-)

G

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 My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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 On Feb 7, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 
 Enjoy - mine arrived a few weeks ago. Nice isn’t it?


It’s beautiful—even the boards are the same as the dust jacket!  Started 
reading it last night, but had an interruption—but I’ve decided instead of 
blowing through the book in greedy fashion, I’m going to read it leisurely to 
savor the moment.  While it is a large book, it’s so much fun to have in your 
lap and hold in your hands.

Thanks again, Bob!  Cheers, Christine


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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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Very worth the wait, Chris!  Cheers, Christine


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 I've just ordered it with some handy Amazon birthday vouchers. Out of
 stock so I have to wait...
 
 Chris
 
 On 6 February 2015 at 23:30, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi All—
 
 My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
 beautiful—slipcase, large format—looking forward to curling up on the couch 
 and have a leisurely look-see.
 
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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

[John]

On 2/6/2015 7:31 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

The subject line by itself has my imagination soaring :-)

ann




In that case:

Christine Aguila wrote:

HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!


Mark!


On 2/6/2015 18:30, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi All—

My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s
beautiful—slipcase, large format—looking forward to curling up on the
couch and have a leisurely look-see.

Thanks, Bob W. for the heads up!  Very happy with my purchase!

Cheers, Christine





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Re: HCB Decisive Moment Arrived!

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Mine just arrived here.

VERY impressive, especially for the price (under a hundred bucks).

Starting to browse through it now...
 
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Hi All—

My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
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have a leisurely look-see.

Thanks, Bob W. for the heads up!  Very happy with my purchase!

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The subject line by itself has my imagination soaring :-)

ann


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My edition of HCB’s “The Decisive Moment” arrived just now.  It’s 
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Re: The Decisive Moment...

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On 11/07/2014 3:51 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

...is being republished:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/3869307889/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1

The only edition since 1952.

B

Damn you, you son of a sergeant major, for reminding me that in my youth 
I had an original of that book that my father had bought brand new and 
had kept in impeccable condition, and somehow managed to give away in a 
fit of stupid generosity to someone whose existence I have long 
forgotten and who probably doesn't appreciate the gift anyway.

Damn you Bob Walkden.
Damn you.

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Re: The Decisive Moment...

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On 12 Jul 2014, at 07:23, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 11/07/2014 3:51 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 ...is being republished:
 
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/3869307889/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1
 
 The only edition since 1952.
 
 B
 Damn you, you son of a sergeant major, for reminding me that in my youth I 
 had an original of that book that my father had bought brand new and had kept 
 in impeccable condition, and somehow managed to give away in a fit of stupid 
 generosity to someone whose existence I have long forgotten and who probably 
 doesn't appreciate the gift anyway.
 Damn you Bob Walkden.
 Damn you.
 

I can imagine how you must be feeling, Bill. If I'd been that dumb I'd be 
feeling bad too. I hope it was a signed edition.

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Re: The Decisive Moment...

[Bob W-PDML]

I hope with all the digital technology we have now that they'll sharpen some of 
them up a bit, correct his poor framing, and add a few splashes of colour here 
and there. 

It's what he would have wanted.

B

 On 12 Jul 2014, at 04:22, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Snootie Frenchie.
 
 Cheers,
 
 frank
 
 On 11 July, 2014 5:51:25 PM EDT, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 ...is being republished:
 
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/3869307889/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1
 
 The only edition since 1952.
 
 B
 
 

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Re: The Decisive Moment...

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On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 I hope with all the digital technology we have now that they'll sharpen some 
 of them up a bit, correct his poor framing, and add a few splashes of colour 
 here and there.

LOL!!!

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Re: The Decisive Moment...

[Bruce Walker]

If they don't, I say we do it ourselves and publish them on Instagram.

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 I hope with all the digital technology we have now that they'll sharpen some 
 of them up a bit, correct his poor framing, and add a few splashes of colour 
 here and there.

 It's what he would have wanted.

 B

 On 12 Jul 2014, at 04:22, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Snootie Frenchie.

 Cheers,

 frank

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 ...is being republished:

 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/3869307889/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1

 The only edition since 1952.

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The Decisive Moment...

[Bob W-PDML]

...is being republished:

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The only edition since 1952.

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Re: The Decisive Moment...

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Bob W-PDML wrote:

...is being republished:

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The only edition since 1952.

I pre-ordered mine last month. I think October is the expected
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Re: The Decisive Moment...

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I just pre-ordered from the US Amazon Smile site:

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 Bob W-PDML wrote:

...is being republished:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/3869307889/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1

The only edition since 1952.

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Re: The Decisive Moment...

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Snootie Frenchie.

Cheers,

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...is being republished:

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Re: Decisive Moment

[John Sessoms]

Go State!

From: Darren Addy

Yep, but they play each other tomorrow night and the loser exits the CWS.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:43 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

From: Darren Addy


I'm not really an NBA fan, but I've been following the finals pretty
closely. That was an EPIC game last night, with a little of
EVERYTHING. There are so many snapshot moments that stand out after
watching the game, from both teams. I've been rooting for the Spurs
(more accurately, against the Heat) but it has been one heck of a
series. The decisive Game 7 will probably be a huge letdown after that
one.



I don't know anything about Pro-basketball, but it looks like both NC
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Decisive Moment

[Stan Halpin]

Living in a small town, I have no ready (home delivery) source of any major 
newspapers, so I get my news fix via iPad apps and on-line sources. Washington 
Post, L.A. Times, AP, BBC, USA Today, etc.
In today's on-line USA Today, Sports section, there is a story about the Heat 
vs. Spurs NBA Championship game last night. The Heat was losing, made a 
last-gasp shot to tie and send the game into overtime. Heat is ahead, the OT is 
about to end, the Spurs try a last-gasp shot to tie and go to a second OT. 

The Steven Mitchell photo of that moment, which illustrates one USA Today 
story, is a great example of Decisive Moment!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2013/06/19/chris-bosh-finals-miami-heat-vs-san-antonio-spurs-game-6/2437043/

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Re: Decisive Moment

[Darren Addy]

I'm not really an NBA fan, but I've been following the finals pretty
closely. That was an EPIC game last night, with a little of
EVERYTHING. There are so many snapshot moments that stand out after
watching the game, from both teams. I've been rooting for the Spurs
(more accurately, against the Heat) but it has been one heck of a
series. The decisive Game 7 will probably be a huge letdown after that
one.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Living in a small town, I have no ready (home delivery) source of any major 
 newspapers, so I get my news fix via iPad apps and on-line sources. 
 Washington Post, L.A. Times, AP, BBC, USA Today, etc.
 In today's on-line USA Today, Sports section, there is a story about the Heat 
 vs. Spurs NBA Championship game last night. The Heat was losing, made a 
 last-gasp shot to tie and send the game into overtime. Heat is ahead, the OT 
 is about to end, the Spurs try a last-gasp shot to tie and go to a second OT.

 The Steven Mitchell photo of that moment, which illustrates one USA Today 
 story, is a great example of Decisive Moment!

 http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2013/06/19/chris-bosh-finals-miami-heat-vs-san-antonio-spurs-game-6/2437043/

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Re: Decisive Moment

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From: Darren Addy

I'm not really an NBA fan, but I've been following the finals pretty
closely. That was an EPIC game last night, with a little of
EVERYTHING. There are so many snapshot moments that stand out after
watching the game, from both teams. I've been rooting for the Spurs
(more accurately, against the Heat) but it has been one heck of a
series. The decisive Game 7 will probably be a huge letdown after that
one.


I don't know anything about Pro-basketball, but it looks like both NC
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Re: Decisive Moment

[Darren Addy]

Yep, but they play each other tomorrow night and the loser exits the CWS.

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 From: Darren Addy

 I'm not really an NBA fan, but I've been following the finals pretty
 closely. That was an EPIC game last night, with a little of
 EVERYTHING. There are so many snapshot moments that stand out after
 watching the game, from both teams. I've been rooting for the Spurs
 (more accurately, against the Heat) but it has been one heck of a
 series. The decisive Game 7 will probably be a huge letdown after that
 one.


 I don't know anything about Pro-basketball, but it looks like both NC
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Re: Decisive moment

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On 7/5/2012 5:37 PM, Larry Colen (On Droid4est) wrote:

One of the things I've been working on is only taking photos at the decisive 
moment.  One thing that I've noticed is that the better I get at waiting for the 
decisive moment, the better everyone else seems to get at stepping in front of my camera 
just before the decisive moment.

In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me dipping a 
dance partner at the end of a dance and a pro photographer (press pass) stepped 
right between us to show his photo to someone.

That is frustrating. Right up there with people who ruin great shots by 
posing when they notice the camera pointed at them.


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Re: Decisive moment

[Larry Colen (On Droid4est)]

He had just gotten some shots of a mom and her kid and she wanted to see them. 
I don't think he was a dick as much as oblivious.
Never apply to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

On 5/7/12, Larry Colen (On Droid4est), discombobulated, unleashed:

In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me
dipping a dance partner at the end of a dance and a pro photographer
(press pass) stepped right between us to show his photo to someone.

Sounds like he was a professional dick, to me.

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Re: Decisive moment

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 7/5/2012 5:37 PM, Larry Colen (On Droid4est) wrote:

 One of the things I've been working on is only taking photos at the
 decisive moment.  One thing that I've noticed is that the better I get at
 waiting for the decisive moment, the better everyone else seems to get at
 stepping in front of my camera just before the decisive moment.

 In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me dipping
 a dance partner at the end of a dance and a pro photographer (press pass)
 stepped right between us to show his photo to someone.

 That is frustrating. Right up there with people who ruin great shots by
 posing when they notice the camera pointed at them.

Or passers-by who hang back politely when they see you point your
camera when in fact you were waiting to get them in the scene as
random passers-by!

I only started to have this problem after I realized that shots of
monuments and architecture can be improved by including some anonymous
people for scale and interest. Prior to that random passers-by filled
my shots when I was trying to get a de-peopled scene.

Can't win. :-)

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Re: Decisive moment

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 03:14:19AM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:
 On 7/5/2012 5:37 PM, Larry Colen (On Droid4est) wrote:
 One of the things I've been working on is only taking photos at the 
 decisive moment.  One thing that I've noticed is that the better I get at 
 waiting for the decisive moment, the better everyone else seems to get at 
 stepping in front of my camera just before the decisive moment.
 
 In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me dipping a 
 dance partner at the end of a dance and a pro photographer (press pass) 
 stepped right between us to show his photo to someone.
 
 That is frustrating. Right up there with people who ruin great shots
 by posing when they notice the camera pointed at them.

You get used to that kind of thing if you do much sports photography.

At the end of a race, or when a favourite participant approaches,
everybody watching stands up, waves their hat in the air, leans
forward over the barriers, and generally does just about everything
possible (albeit unintentionally) to ruin your carefully planned shot.


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Re: Decisive moment

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6/7/12, Larry Colen (On Droid4est), discombobulated, unleashed:

Never apply to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Meh.

Never give a sucker an even break ;-)

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Re: Decisive moment

[Igor Roshchin]

In my workshops on Dance(rs) and Photograph(er)s I always encourage
photographers to be courteous and to pay attention to [other] dancers 
and other photographers.

At various dance events, I've seen some official event photographers
who were very courteous not to block/cross the path of others without need
(or sit right across from you with his flash firing at you), and I've 
seen those who are totally oblivous (such as choosing a position with 
her flash right in my lens, shooting the entire stretch of competitions or
performances (10-20+ minutes) and not moving an inch to a side 
(while she had a possibility to move around freely - because of her
status, and I was locked in)).
I understand that when you are on a (sort of) assignment, - you
are more concentrated to have the job done, and I always try to 
avoid being in their way. But I found that the overall behavior of
such pros typically depends on the personality.
I don't think I've ever had problems from those photographers who were 
freelancing/shooting for themselves, whether I was the official
photographer or not. I find that these people tend to be more aware of 
others (including other photographers).
Maybe I am just too critical...

Igor



On 7/5/2012 5:37 PM, Larry Colen (On Droid4est) wrote:
 One of the things I've been working on is only taking photos at the
 decisive moment.  One thing that I've noticed is that the better I
 get at waiting for the decisive moment, the better everyone else seems
 to get at stepping in front of my camera just before the decisive
 moment.

 In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me
 dipping a dance partner at the end of a dance and a pro photographer
 (press pass) stepped right between us to show his photo to someone.


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[Larry Colen (On Droid4est)]

One of the things I've been working on is only taking photos at the decisive 
moment.  One thing that I've noticed is that the better I get at waiting for 
the decisive moment, the better everyone else seems to get at stepping in front 
of my camera just before the decisive moment.

In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me dipping a 
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right between us to show his photo to someone.

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Re: Decisive moment

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/7/12, Larry Colen (On Droid4est), discombobulated, unleashed:

In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me
dipping a dance partner at the end of a dance and a pro photographer
(press pass) stepped right between us to show his photo to someone.

Sounds like he was a professional dick, to me.

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Re: Decisive moment

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Larry Colen (On Droid4est) wrote:

the better I get at waiting for the decisive moment, the better everyone else 
seems to get at stepping in front of my camera just before the decisive moment.

That's a keeper!
 
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RE: Decisive moment

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Those situations are where you need Gordie Howe Elbows.

Canadians (and Detroit Red Wing fans everywhere) will know exactly what I mean.

;-)

cheers,
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What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
Christopher Hitchens

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One of the things I've been working on is only taking photos at the decisive 
moment.  One thing that I've noticed is that the better I get at waiting for 
the decisive moment, the better everyone else seems to get at stepping in front 
of my camera just before the decisive moment.

In a similar vein, yesterday a friend was trying to photograph me dipping a 
dance partner at the end of a dance and a pro photographer (press pass) stepped 
right between us to show his photo to someone.

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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Boris Liberman]

I certainly understood your joke, Ann. But it seems I have failed to 
produce one of mine.


On 5/8/2011 18:12, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

They call it a photo finish when , in order to tell who won, they have
to look at a photo of the end of the race --
The horses crossing a finish line in a race trigger the exposure... they
used to ahve to wait for the photo to be developed
to tell who won...

but as to the joke -- I think maybe you didnt read the subject line as
part of the whole...
decisive moment photography? Got it?

Oy

ann

Boris Liberman wrote:


On 5/8/2011 01:18, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


the Kentucky Derby -
It will be a photo finish

ann (didn't bet this year)



Scratching my head here. OTOH, if that horse wins I'm certain Ann
would like a photo of Kentucky Derby after he (she?) crosses the
finish line. So, here you have it - the same words in the different
order in a different sentence.

Boris (who's gonna have fair amount of English practice in few days to
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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Steven Desjardins]

That could have negative consequences.

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I certainly understood your joke, Ann. But it seems I have failed to produce
 one of mine.

 On 5/8/2011 18:12, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 They call it a photo finish when , in order to tell who won, they have
 to look at a photo of the end of the race --
 The horses crossing a finish line in a race trigger the exposure... they
 used to ahve to wait for the photo to be developed
 to tell who won...

 but as to the joke -- I think maybe you didnt read the subject line as
 part of the whole...
 decisive moment photography? Got it?

 Oy

 ann

 Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 5/8/2011 01:18, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 the Kentucky Derby -
 It will be a photo finish

 ann (didn't bet this year)


 Scratching my head here. OTOH, if that horse wins I'm certain Ann
 would like a photo of Kentucky Derby after he (she?) crosses the
 finish line. So, here you have it - the same words in the different
 order in a different sentence.

 Boris (who's gonna have fair amount of English practice in few days to
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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Igor Roshchin]

Don't project!


Tue May 10 13:03:46 EDT 2011
Steven Desjardins wrote:

 That could have negative consequences.
 
 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Boris Liberman boris71 at gmail.com wrote:
  I certainly understood your joke, Ann. But it seems I have failed to produce
  one of mine.
 
  On 5/8/2011 18:12, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
  They call it a photo finish when , in order to tell who won, they have
  to look at a photo of the end of the race --
  The horses crossing a finish line in a race trigger the exposure... they
  used to ahve to wait for the photo to be developed
  to tell who won...
 
  but as to the joke -- I think maybe you didnt read the subject line as
  part of the whole...
  decisive moment photography? Got it?
 
  Oy
 
  ann
 
  Boris Liberman wrote:
 
  On 5/8/2011 01:18, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
  the Kentucky Derby -
  It will be a photo finish
 
  ann (didn't bet this year)
 
 
  Scratching my head here. OTOH, if that horse wins I'm certain Ann
  would like a photo of Kentucky Derby after he (she?) crosses the
  finish line. So, here you have it - the same words in the different
  order in a different sentence.
 
  Boris (who's gonna have fair amount of English practice in few days to
  come)
 

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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Come on. folks;  let's focus here.

Dan M

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 They call it a photo finish when , in order to tell who won, they have to
 look at a photo of the end of the race --
 The horses crossing a finish line in a race trigger the exposure... they
 used to ahve to wait for the photo to be developed
 to tell who won...

 but as to the joke --   I think maybe you didnt read the subject line as
 part of the whole...
 decisive moment photography?  Got it?

 Oy

 ann

 Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 5/8/2011 01:18, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 the Kentucky Derby -
 It will be a photo finish

 ann (didn't bet this year)


 Scratching my head here. OTOH, if that horse wins I'm certain Ann would
 like a photo of Kentucky Derby after he (she?) crosses the finish line. So,
 here you have it - the same words in the different order in a different
 sentence.

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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Bruce Walker]

Yeah, shutter down.

On 11-05-07 8:27 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Please stop.

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com  wrote:

And a twist of f/8.




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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Ann Sanfedele]

They call it a photo finish when , in order to tell who won, they have 
to look at a photo of the end of the race --
The horses crossing a finish line in a race trigger the exposure... they 
used to ahve to wait for the photo to be developed

to tell who won...

but as to the joke --   I think maybe you didnt read the subject line as 
part of the whole...

decisive moment photography?  Got it?

Oy

ann

Boris Liberman wrote:


On 5/8/2011 01:18, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


the Kentucky Derby -
It will be a photo finish

ann (didn't bet this year)



Scratching my head here. OTOH, if that horse wins I'm certain Ann 
would like a photo of Kentucky Derby after he (she?) crosses the 
finish line. So, here you have it - the same words in the different 
order in a different sentence.


Boris (who's gonna have fair amount of English practice in few days to 
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[Ann Sanfedele]

the Kentucky Derby -
It will be a photo finish

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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Jack Davis]

Very punny! BG

Jack

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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

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 the Kentucky Derby -
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And a twist of f/8.

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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

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Please stop.

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Re: IF Decisive Moment wins...

[Boris Liberman]

On 5/8/2011 01:18, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

the Kentucky Derby -
It will be a photo finish

ann (didn't bet this year)


Scratching my head here. OTOH, if that horse wins I'm certain Ann would 
like a photo of Kentucky Derby after he (she?) crosses the finish line. 
So, here you have it - the same words in the different order in a 
different sentence.


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Re: The decisive moment

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Which ones?

On 11/3/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 11:38:26AM +1100, Derby Chang wrote:
 
  Don't know if there is any Pentax content in here, but there are some
  great pics. I like the bird with a swirl for a head.
 
  http://sawse.com/2007/11/02/25-photographs-taken-at-the-exact-right-time/

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Re: The decisive moment

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Wonderful!  Thanks for sharing the link.

Dan

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 Don't know if there is any Pentax content in here, but there are some
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Re: The decisive moment

[John Francis]

On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:46:35AM -0500, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Which ones?
 
 On 11/3/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 11:38:26AM +1100, Derby Chang wrote:
  
   Don't know if there is any Pentax content in here, but there are some
   great pics. I like the bird with a swirl for a head.
  
   http://sawse.com/2007/11/02/25-photographs-taken-at-the-exact-right-time/
 
  Some good ones,  Apparently, though, at least two are fakes ...

The replies to the blog identify them.  One was the last one (the cat
in mid-air), I don't remember the other one at present.

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Re: The decisive moment

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On 04/11/07, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:


Don't know if there is any Pentax content in here, but there are some 
great pics. I like the bird with a swirl for a head.

http://sawse.com/2007/11/02/25-photographs-taken-at-the-exact-right-time/


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Don't know if there is any Pentax content in here, but there are some 
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http://sawse.com/2007/11/02/25-photographs-taken-at-the-exact-right-time/

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Re: The decisive moment

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On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 11:38:26AM +1100, Derby Chang wrote:
 
 Don't know if there is any Pentax content in here, but there are some 
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RE: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Jens Bladt]

Funny movei. It zooms in further every time. After placing it 10 times I
don't get to see the guys face anmore!
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On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:07 AM, David Savage wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y

 It's almost a video camera!!

Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use
it other than to make motion pictures...

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?

Er, yes.

And?

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[P. J. Alling]

This is more interesting, especially the second half...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZzmfjygwQNR

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OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[David Savage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y

It's almost a video camera!!

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

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On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:07 AM, David Savage wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y

 It's almost a video camera!!

Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

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On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:

 Good point.
 ...
 I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
 easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of  
 old,
 as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
 focus confirmation beeps etc.

Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the  
K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,  
unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera  
always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

 The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
 but it
 depends on the situation, surely.  ...

Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to  
work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally  
makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Cotty]

On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
it other than to make motion pictures...

Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use
that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top-
panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for
both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually
plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old,
as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
focus confirmation beeps etc.

The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it
depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer)
and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the
frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite
predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can
be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be
not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the
result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like
this, it's a no-brainer IMO.



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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Adam Maas]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
 
 Good point.
 ...
 I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
 easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of  
 old,
 as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
 focus confirmation beeps etc.
 
 Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the  
 K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,  
 unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
 responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera  
 always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which 
is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is 
just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a 
MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a 
2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the 
extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I 
left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for 
continuous to be left on.

 
 The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
 but it
 depends on the situation, surely.  ...
 
 Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to  
 work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally  
 makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
 
 Godfrey

Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what 
Cotty's shooting.

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Nick Wright]

I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8
frames per second.

And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single
frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography
is improving because of it.

Take the following example:
In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball
game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 keepers. Now in single
frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20
keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious
act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to
wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones.

Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action
with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it
too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out
of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one
bit too late.

The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.

On 3/10/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
  On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
 
  Good point.
  ...
  I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
  easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
  old,
  as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
  focus confirmation beeps etc.
 
  Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
  K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
  unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/
  responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
  always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

 Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which
 is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is
 just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a
 MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a
 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the
 extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I
 left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for
 continuous to be left on.

 
  The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,
  but it
  depends on the situation, surely.  ...
 
  Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
  work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
  makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
 
  Godfrey

 Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what
 Cotty's shooting.

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Adam Maas]

I tend to shoot single frames. Continuous mode doesn't require 
spray-and-pray shooting, although it's difficult no to if the camera is 
setup for 8fps (That's actually one reason I don't want a high fps 
camera, the other being the inherent audible noise, my 10D is rather 
quiet compared to a 20D, let alone a 1D).

-Adam


Nick Wright wrote:
 I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8
 frames per second.
 
 And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single
 frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography
 is improving because of it.
 
 Take the following example:
 In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball
 game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 keepers. Now in single
 frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20
 keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious
 act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to
 wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones.
 
 Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action
 with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it
 too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out
 of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one
 bit too late.
 
 The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
 second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
 to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.
 
 On 3/10/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:

 Good point.
 ...
 I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
 easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
 old,
 as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
 focus confirmation beeps etc.
 Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
 K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
 unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/
 responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
 always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.
 Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which
 is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is
 just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a
 MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a
 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the
 extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I
 left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for
 continuous to be left on.

 The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,
 but it
 depends on the situation, surely.  ...
 Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
 work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
 makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.

 Godfrey
 Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what
 Cotty's shooting.

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Bruce Dayton]

Guess I should chime in a bit here.  I just got back from shooting
little league baseball.  I do set the K10D to continuous but rarely
machine gun.  Pretty much I do that when I want an actual sequence of
shots rather than just trying to get the 'moment' - like a slide into
2nd or 3rd or a pitcher in windup and throwing.  The concept there is
that most of the frames are good rather than boring or throwaway.

However, I will say that there have been many times especially
shooting something less predictable like soccer where I have missed
the moment partly because I never really saw the moment.  I could see
sometimes getting an interesting shot in the bunch by machine gunning
in the thick of the action.

I don't shoot that way, but can see some logic in it.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007, 2:37:25 PM, you wrote:


GD On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:

 Good point.
 ...
 I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
 easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
 old,
 as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
 focus confirmation beeps etc.

GD Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
GD K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
GD unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
GD responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
GD always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

 The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
 but it
 depends on the situation, surely.  ...

GD Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
GD work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
GD makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.

GD Godfrey






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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Boris Liberman]

Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?

;-)

Boris


Cotty wrote:
 On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
 it other than to make motion pictures...
 
 Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use
 that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top-
 panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for
 both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually
 plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
 easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old,
 as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
 focus confirmation beeps etc.
 
 The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it
 depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer)
 and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the
 frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite
 predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can
 be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be
 not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the
 result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like
 this, it's a no-brainer IMO.
 
 
 


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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[David Savage]

With the wireless transmitter it's conceivable that the memory card
would never get full.

Cheers,

Dave

On 3/11/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?

 ;-)

 Boris

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[John Francis]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:37:58PM -0600, Nick Wright wrote:
 
 The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
 second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
 to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.

I quite agree.  That's why I want a 5fps or better body.  The PZ-1p
(4+ fps) was pretty good, but still not as good as the MX+motor drive.


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