Re: DxO results for K-5
On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... I didn't say *new* image stabilized Nikon lenses. My point being that there are probably a lot of cases where a K-5 with an adapter and the 50/1.4 supertak you picked up with the $10 spotmatic at the garage sale last year will outperform a D700 with an image stabilized f/2.8, or an unstabilized f/1.4. Although I may have totally missed the memo about Nikon making image stabilized lenses faster than f/2.8. Granted, if you've got a good tripod and the night skies of the aussie outback to photograph, I expect the D700 will still outperform a K-5. I am rather curious to see what Nikon comes up with to replace the D700. Maybe they'll upgrade it with the sensor from their current top of the line. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Hi! On 11/7/2010 10:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... I didn't say *new* image stabilized Nikon lenses. Well, Larry, by asking a question (quoted above) re the prices of such lenses, you made an opening whereupon you could be understood as asking about the new such lenses that are offered for sale nowadays... My point being that there are probably a lot of cases where a K-5 with an adapter and the 50/1.4 supertak you picked up with the $10 spotmatic at the garage sale last year will outperform a D700 with an image stabilized f/2.8, or an unstabilized f/1.4. Outperform in which department? I am asking merely to be sure you and I are talking about the same aspect. Although I may have totally missed the memo about Nikon making image stabilized lenses faster than f/2.8. Granted, if you've got a good tripod and the night skies of the aussie outback to photograph, I expect the D700 will still outperform a K-5. I am rather curious to see what Nikon comes up with to replace the D700. Maybe they'll upgrade it with the sensor from their current top of the line. I am shooting now both with MZ-6 and MX and I will see how many shots of mine are going to suffer from camera shake... I still maintain that for most part the importance of shake reduction, although non-zero is still way over appreciated. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
https://photo-shop.zeiss.com/en/Categories/Objektive/ZK Dario - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:13 PM Subject: Re: DxO results for K-5 Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 10.0.1153 / Database dei virus: 424/3241 - Data di rilascio: 06/11/2010 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
I usually don't think of Bing, I know Google is evil, (no matter what they say), but most of the world seems to use them. That BH page doesn't show up on the Google search, but this one does. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Ntt=zeiss+ZF+85+1.4Q=N=0A=endecaSearch On 11/7/2010 12:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.comwrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Google nets 111,000 hits for Zeiss ZK 85mm. I prefer Bing, they make no pretense of being non-Evil, unlike Google. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I usually don't think of Bing, I know Google is evil, (no matter what they say), but most of the world seems to use them. That BH page doesn't show up on the Google search, but this one does. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Ntt=zeiss+ZF+85+1.4Q=N=0A=endecaSearch On 11/7/2010 12:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
So, you say, Google is using only electronic viewfinders... Hmm On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Google nets 111,000 hits for Zeiss ZK 85mm. I prefer Bing, they make no pretense of being non-Evil, unlike Google. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I usually don't think of Bing, I know Google is evil, (no matter what they say), but most of the world seems to use them. That BH page doesn't show up on the Google search, but this one does. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Ntt=zeiss+ZF+85+1.4Q=N=0A=endecaSearch On 11/7/2010 12:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
2010/11/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: So, you say, Google is using only electronic viewfinders... Hmm that gives them their edge - electronics search the web so much faster than labradors looking through optical viewfinders... I hear paper clips using rangefinders yield even worse results... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
What search string did you use, I just copied Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 our of your message and plugged it into my Firefox search box. (It's been said that Google is now tayloring search results based on pas searches, but I can't imagine why it would exclude Pentax related results for me). On 11/7/2010 1:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Google nets 111,000 hits for Zeiss ZK 85mm. I prefer Bing, they make no pretense of being non-Evil, unlike Google. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I usually don't think of Bing, I know Google is evil, (no matter what they say), but most of the world seems to use them. That BH page doesn't show up on the Google search, but this one does. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Ntt=zeiss+ZF+85+1.4Q=N=0A=endecaSearch On 11/7/2010 12:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.comwrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Zeiss ZK 85mm is what I used. Zeiss uses the utterly nonsensical 1,4/85mm designation officially rather than the correct ratio-type designation of 85/1.4 or just calling it the 85mm f1.4. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:16 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: What search string did you use, I just copied Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 our of your message and plugged it into my Firefox search box. (It's been said that Google is now tayloring search results based on pas searches, but I can't imagine why it would exclude Pentax related results for me). On 11/7/2010 1:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Google nets 111,000 hits for Zeiss ZK 85mm. I prefer Bing, they make no pretense of being non-Evil, unlike Google. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I usually don't think of Bing, I know Google is evil, (no matter what they say), but most of the world seems to use them. That BH page doesn't show up on the Google search, but this one does. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Ntt=zeiss+ZF+85+1.4Q=N=0A=endecaSearch On 11/7/2010 12:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Hell, that /and/ apparent they believe in Artificial Intelligence. (My favorite yet very old quote on the subject Anyone who believes in Artificial Intelligence probably already has it. I can't find the attribution, maybe Google's blocking if from me), On 11/7/2010 1:10 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: So, you say, Google is using only electronic viewfinders... Hmm On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Adam Maasa...@mawz.ca wrote: Google nets 111,000 hits for Zeiss ZK 85mm. I prefer Bing, they make no pretense of being non-Evil, unlike Google. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I usually don't think of Bing, I know Google is evil, (no matter what they say), but most of the world seems to use them. That BH page doesn't show up on the Google search, but this one does. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Ntt=zeiss+ZF+85+1.4Q=N=0A=endecaSearch On 11/7/2010 12:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.comwrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Hum, strange. I would expect either string should work the same way. On 11/7/2010 1:23 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Zeiss ZK 85mm is what I used. Zeiss uses the utterly nonsensical 1,4/85mm designation officially rather than the correct ratio-type designation of 85/1.4 or just calling it the 85mm f1.4. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:16 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: What search string did you use, I just copied Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 our of your message and plugged it into my Firefox search box. (It's been said that Google is now tayloring search results based on pas searches, but I can't imagine why it would exclude Pentax related results for me). On 11/7/2010 1:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Google nets 111,000 hits for Zeiss ZK 85mm. I prefer Bing, they make no pretense of being non-Evil, unlike Google. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.comwrote: I usually don't think of Bing, I know Google is evil, (no matter what they say), but most of the world seems to use them. That BH page doesn't show up on the Google search, but this one does. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Ntt=zeiss+ZF+85+1.4Q=N=0A=endecaSearch On 11/7/2010 12:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Really? Only 11,300 hits on Bing. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520389-REG/Zeiss_1486_390_85mm_f_1_4_ZK_Planar.html -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:13 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Do a google search on that ZK lens and you don't seem to get any hits, already down the memory hole I'm afraid. On 11/7/2010 8:04 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/6/2010 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? There is only one such lens in currently produced Pentax line up, Larry - the DA 55/1.4. Not much if you ask me. And everyone who's shooting with FA 50/1.4 or A 50/1.2 are hmmm well, old ..rts... Boris-the-old-..rt The FA50/1.4 is still in the line as well and of course there is the Zeiss ZK 85/1.4 (while supplies last, it's being discontinued), the Samyang 85/1.4 and the upcoming Samyang 35/1.4 -Adam -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Miserere wrote: On 5 November 2010 12:29, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: wrong link last one Woops! Let's try again: http://tinyurl.com/2vy7qjv What I find amazing is how the Kx seems to outperform the Kr. And at high ISO even outperforms the K5 in dynamic range. If you lose a stop of dynamic range and a stop of SNR for every stop of ISO, why not just shoot at the base ISO and underexpose? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est One reason I don't put all that much stock in DxO's tests is the variance in performance of cameras with known-identical imaging chains. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: What I will admit to is comparing the K-5 to the Nikon D300s and Canon 7D: http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj If only those prices were correct... --M. My main problem is i have more faster Nikon glass than i do Pentax, for lower light aplications. Dave -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:20 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: What I will admit to is comparing the K-5 to the Nikon D300s and Canon 7D: http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj If only those prices were correct... --M. My main problem is i have more faster Nikon glass than i do Pentax, for lower light aplications. So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Nov 6, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Miserere wrote: On 5 November 2010 12:29, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: wrong link last one Woops! Let's try again: http://tinyurl.com/2vy7qjv What I find amazing is how the Kx seems to outperform the Kr. And at high ISO even outperforms the K5 in dynamic range. If you lose a stop of dynamic range and a stop of SNR for every stop of ISO, why not just shoot at the base ISO and underexpose? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est One reason I don't put all that much stock in DxO's tests is the variance in performance of cameras with known-identical imaging chains. Although the Kx and Kr results are very close. I figured it was just normal margin of error for their testing, and it would seem to be a reasonable margin of error. Paul -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:54 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 6, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: What I find amazing is how the Kx seems to outperform the Kr. And at high ISO even outperforms the K5 in dynamic range. If you lose a stop of dynamic range and a stop of SNR for every stop of ISO, why not just shoot at the base ISO and underexpose? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est One reason I don't put all that much stock in DxO's tests is the variance in performance of cameras with known-identical imaging chains. Although the Kx and Kr results are very close. I figured it was just normal margin of error for their testing, and it would seem to be a reasonable margin of error. Paul Could certainly be margin of error. The DxO tests are a decent guide to performance but they seem to be taken as direct gospel by altogether too many people and some of the tests are directly opposite to my actual experience (the Nikon D90 was rated by DxO as the top APS-C camera long after its performance in terms of IQ was exceeded by others, including the K-x) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On 5 November 2010 08:58, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: In Spanish again but I am sure that Miserere will point you to the offical analysis page... http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/pentax-k5-sensor-raw-4.html I just skiped to the conclusions where thay say that this is the best APS-C sensor ever tested. Regards, Jaume Mike J. thought it was noteworthy enough for a post: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2010/11/the-new-number-one.html It'll be interesting to see what the Nikon D7000 scores are. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:20 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: What I will admit to is comparing the K-5 to the Nikon D300s and Canon 7D: http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj If only those prices were correct... --M. My main problem is i have more faster Nikon glass than i do Pentax, for lower light aplications. So how much are image stabilized f/1.4 Nikon lenses going for these days? I don't know. I bought mine on sale in 2005. Dave -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In Spanish again but I am sure that Miserere will point you to the offical analysis page... http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/pentax-k5-sensor-raw-4.html I just skiped to the conclusions where thay say that this is the best APS-C sensor ever tested. Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In particular they praise the dynamic range. On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: In Spanish again but I am sure that Miserere will point you to the offical analysis page... http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/pentax-k5-sensor-raw-4.html I just skiped to the conclusions where thay say that this is the best APS-C sensor ever tested. Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On 5 November 2010 08:58, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: In Spanish again but I am sure that Miserere will point you to the offical analysis page... http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/pentax-k5-sensor-raw-4.html I just skiped to the conclusions where thay say that this is the best APS-C sensor ever tested. Regards, Jaume What are trying to imply, Jaume? That I'm going to post a link to the DxO comparisons of the K-5, Nikon D700 and Canon 5D Mk II? Something like this? http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/Compare-sensors/%28appareil1%29/676|0/%28appareil2%29/441|0/%28appareil3%29/483|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Pentax/%28brand2%29/Nikon/%28brand3%29/Canon I don't think so. But if I did, I would note the 2 extra EV stops of dynamic range the K-5 has on the FF cameras. That's crazy!!! --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On 5 November 2010 11:16, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 November 2010 08:58, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: In Spanish again but I am sure that Miserere will point you to the offical analysis page... http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/pentax-k5-sensor-raw-4.html I just skiped to the conclusions where thay say that this is the best APS-C sensor ever tested. Regards, Jaume What are trying to imply, Jaume? That I'm going to post a link to the DxO comparisons of the K-5, Nikon D700 and Canon 5D Mk II? Something like this? http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/Compare-sensors/%28appareil1%29/676|0/%28appareil2%29/441|0/%28appareil3%29/483|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Pentax/%28brand2%29/Nikon/%28brand3%29/Canon I don't think so. But if I did, I would note the 2 extra EV stops of dynamic range the K-5 has on the FF cameras. That's crazy!!! --M. What I will admit to is comparing the K-5 to the Nikon D300s and Canon 7D: http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj If only those prices were correct... --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On 5 November 2010 12:10, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: What I will admit to is comparing the K-5 to the Nikon D300s and Canon 7D: http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj If only those prices were correct... --M. Last one, K-5 vs K-r vs K-7 http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj Who's giving these guys the numbers for the prices??? --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
- Mensaje original De: Miserere miser...@gmail.com Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: vie,5 noviembre, 2010 16:16 Asunto: Re: DxO results for K-5 On 5 November 2010 08:58, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: In Spanish again but I am sure that Miserere will point you to the offical analysis page... http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/pentax-k5-sensor-raw-4.html I just skiped to the conclusions where thay say that this is the best APS-C sensor ever tested. Regards, Jaume What are trying to imply, Jaume? That I'm going to post a link to the DxO comparisons of the K-5, Nikon D700 and Canon 5D Mk II? Something like this? http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/Compare-sensors/%28appareil1%29/676|0/%28appareil2%29/441|0/%28appareil3%29/483|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Pentax/%28brand2%29/Nikon/%28brand3%29/Canon n I don't think so. But if I did, I would note the 2 extra EV stops of dynamic range the K-5 has on the FF cameras. That's crazy!!! --M. -- As a work colleague told me once: I don't know anything but who to ask -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
wrong link last one - Mensaje original De: Miserere miser...@gmail.com Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: vie,5 noviembre, 2010 17:26 Asunto: Re: DxO results for K-5 On 5 November 2010 12:10, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: What I will admit to is comparing the K-5 to the Nikon D300s and Canon 7D: http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj If only those prices were correct... --M. Last one, K-5 vs K-r vs K-7 http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj Who's giving these guys the numbers for the prices??? --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Well, I just dialed in K-5 vs K-7 versus Pana GH2. K-7 is rubbish if one is to take the numbers and indexes and ratings at their immediate value. K-5 appears to have 3.5 EV dynamic range advantage over K-7... Another interesting thought crossed my mind. Pentax is known for its lens making. On other hand, the sensor of K-5 is not developed by Pentax. I am thinking more in lines of somewhat tweaked sensor that Sony produced as per Pentax specifications. It also seems to me that DxO is comparing the combination of the sensor as a piece of specially processed silicon and all the electronics around it. Pentax appears to gradually build up their expertise in electronics side of the equation and now they have a great sensor (as per DxO sense of the word sensor). This is very interesting even though pretty trivial observation - Pentax has dramatically improved its electronics... Boris On 11/5/2010 6:10 PM, Miserere wrote: What I will admit to is comparing the K-5 to the Nikon D300s and Canon 7D: http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj If only those prices were correct... --M. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
Thanks Jaume, thanks a lot. That's interesting! Dario - Original Message - From: Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: DxO results for K-5 In Spanish again but I am sure that Miserere will point you to the offical analysis page... http://www.dslrmagazine.com/pruebas/pruebas-tecnicas/pentax-k5-sensor-raw-4.html I just skiped to the conclusions where thay say that this is the best APS-C sensor ever tested. Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 10.0.1153 / Database dei virus: 424/3238 - Data di rilascio: 04/11/2010 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On 5 November 2010 12:29, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: wrong link last one Woops! Let's try again: http://tinyurl.com/2vy7qjv Last one, K-5 vs K-r vs K-7 http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj Who's giving these guys the numbers for the prices??? --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Miserere wrote: On 5 November 2010 12:29, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: wrong link last one Woops! Let's try again: http://tinyurl.com/2vy7qjv What I find amazing is how the Kx seems to outperform the Kr. And at high ISO even outperforms the K5 in dynamic range. If you lose a stop of dynamic range and a stop of SNR for every stop of ISO, why not just shoot at the base ISO and underexpose? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Miserere wrote: On 5 November 2010 12:29, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: wrong link last one Woops! Let's try again: http://tinyurl.com/2vy7qjv What I find amazing is how the Kx seems to outperform the Kr. And at high ISO even outperforms the K5 in dynamic range. If you lose a stop of dynamic range and a stop of SNR for every stop of ISO, why not just shoot at the base ISO and underexpose? Because pumping up the exposure in conversion or post conversion generates far more noise and loss of dynamic range than does increasing the ISO in camera. Been there, done that. Doesn't work. Paul -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
The K-r is 12 fps?!? stan On Nov 5, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Miserere wrote: On 5 November 2010 12:29, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: wrong link last one Woops! Let's try again: http://tinyurl.com/2vy7qjv Last one, K-5 vs K-r vs K-7 http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj Who's giving these guys the numbers for the prices??? --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On 6 November 2010 10:30, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: The K-r is 12 fps?!? Or 3.66m/s depends who's doing the throwing I guess. ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DxO results for K-5
On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: The K-r is 12 fps?!? stan Obviously a typo. On Nov 5, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Miserere wrote: On 5 November 2010 12:29, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: wrong link last one Woops! Let's try again: http://tinyurl.com/2vy7qjv Last one, K-5 vs K-r vs K-7 http://tinyurl.com/23mprjj Who's giving these guys the numbers for the prices??? --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
