RE: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sales price might be a bit prohibitive unless your companies name is Leica, or maybe Hasselblad. And speaking of Hasselblad, anyone want to over pay an outragious amount of money for a Sony NEX? http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/0 9/new-term.html (Linked just for the new term). Tasty! I want a poster-sized print of one of those, with The Hoff straddling the lens barrel in his budgie-smugglers. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than, 24x36?
From: J.C. O'Connell As long as the megapixels arent too great, say 24MP, I dont know why a larger sensor is more expensive to make, it should be cheaper than a small one intuitively. limiting the resolution would keep cost down while still allowing for many advantages of larger format sensor. Another cool camera would be a digital version of the 6x17. The sensor chips are made on a circular silicon wafer. You get fewer full-frame rectangles out of a given circular wafer than you do APS-C rectangles. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
- J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - If your gonna put a fixed lens on a camera, why not have the sensor even bigger than 24x36? Quality could increase substantially -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
You mean like a 645D? J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - If your gonna put a fixed lens on a camera, why not have the sensor even bigger than 24x36? Quality could increase substantially -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
On Sep 19, 2012, at 2:01 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: You mean like a 645D? Oops, didn't notice the fixed lens bit until after I hit send. J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - If your gonna put a fixed lens on a camera, why not have the sensor even bigger than 24x36? Quality could increase substantially -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
NO, I mean a fixed lens digital camera with very large sensor - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of l...@red4est.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? You mean like a 645D? J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - If your gonna put a fixed lens on a camera, why not have the sensor even bigger than 24x36? Quality could increase substantially -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt Mark On 9/19/2012 5:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: NO, I mean a fixed lens digital camera with very large sensor - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of l...@red4est.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? You mean like a 645D? J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - If your gonna put a fixed lens on a camera, why not have the sensor even bigger than 24x36? Quality could increase substantially -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
I wasnt thinking that large of sensor, but its a good idea if cost wasnt prohibitive for the sensor alone... - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark C Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt Mark On 9/19/2012 5:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: NO, I mean a fixed lens digital camera with very large sensor - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of l...@red4est.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? You mean like a 645D? J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - If your gonna put a fixed lens on a camera, why not have the sensor even bigger than 24x36? Quality could increase substantially -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt It would be grand, but it would be very very costly. A big sensor like that is the most expensive component of the camera. I'd love a true 6x6 digital camera with a 75 mm lens. The available, new film cameras (Fuji GF670 $1600, or Voigtländer Bessa III $2995, or Rolleiflex TLR $5500) are already a great deal of money. Add a $10,000 sensor/data system package ... Eventually, someone will make it, I'm sure. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
As long as the megapixels arent too great, say 24MP, I dont know why a larger sensor is more expensive to make, it should be cheaper than a small one intuitively. limiting the resolution would keep cost down while still allowing for many advantages of larger format sensor. Another cool camera would be a digital version of the 6x17. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt It would be grand, but it would be very very costly. A big sensor like that is the most expensive component of the camera. I'd love a true 6x6 digital camera with a 75 mm lens. The available, new film cameras (Fuji GF670 $1600, or Voigtländer Bessa III $2995, or Rolleiflex TLR $5500) are already a great deal of money. Add a $10,000 sensor/data system package ... Eventually, someone will make it, I'm sure. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
It's not the sensel density, it's the chip size. The larger the chip, the fewer that you can fit onto standardized silicon wafers. Since the defect rate is fairly constant across a wafer, having larger chips means that you have fewer chips per wafer, and with the defect rate, a smaller percentage of usable chips. That's the reason why MFD is so expensive. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: As long as the megapixels arent too great, say 24MP, I dont know why a larger sensor is more expensive to make, it should be cheaper than a small one intuitively. limiting the resolution would keep cost down while still allowing for many advantages of larger format sensor. Another cool camera would be a digital version of the 6x17. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt It would be grand, but it would be very very costly. A big sensor like that is the most expensive component of the camera. I'd love a true 6x6 digital camera with a 75 mm lens. The available, new film cameras (Fuji GF670 $1600, or Voigtländer Bessa III $2995, or Rolleiflex TLR $5500) are already a great deal of money. Add a $10,000 sensor/data system package ... Eventually, someone will make it, I'm sure. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
On Sep 19, 2012, at 5:11 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: As long as the megapixels arent too great, say 24MP, I dont know why a larger sensor is more expensive to make, it should be cheaper than a small one intuitively. limiting the resolution would keep cost down while still allowing for many advantages of larger format sensor. The probability of errors is proportional to the area of the chip. If there is a 1% chance of an error on any square centimeter, and you can put 150 1cm^2 sensors on a wafer, but only 10 10cm^2 on a singe round wafer, you'll get about 135 1cm^2 sensors, and 10*(.9^10) 10cm^2 sensors. In short, out of each wafer you'll get fewer sensors, and each sensor will have a much higher chance of failure. Then there is the economy of scale issue, the development of an APS sensor is amortized over millions of units, a MF sensor is amortized over thousands of units. Another cool camera would be a digital version of the 6x17. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt It would be grand, but it would be very very costly. A big sensor like that is the most expensive component of the camera. I'd love a true 6x6 digital camera with a 75 mm lens. The available, new film cameras (Fuji GF670 $1600, or Voigtländer Bessa III $2995, or Rolleiflex TLR $5500) are already a great deal of money. Add a $10,000 sensor/data system package ... Eventually, someone will make it, I'm sure. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
Wow, you said it in English, I was lazy and said it in math. On Sep 19, 2012, at 5:22 PM, David Parsons wrote: It's not the sensel density, it's the chip size. The larger the chip, the fewer that you can fit onto standardized silicon wafers. Since the defect rate is fairly constant across a wafer, having larger chips means that you have fewer chips per wafer, and with the defect rate, a smaller percentage of usable chips. That's the reason why MFD is so expensive. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: As long as the megapixels arent too great, say 24MP, I dont know why a larger sensor is more expensive to make, it should be cheaper than a small one intuitively. limiting the resolution would keep cost down while still allowing for many advantages of larger format sensor. Another cool camera would be a digital version of the 6x17. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt It would be grand, but it would be very very costly. A big sensor like that is the most expensive component of the camera. I'd love a true 6x6 digital camera with a 75 mm lens. The available, new film cameras (Fuji GF670 $1600, or Voigtländer Bessa III $2995, or Rolleiflex TLR $5500) are already a great deal of money. Add a $10,000 sensor/data system package ... Eventually, someone will make it, I'm sure. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
On 20 September 2012 10:03, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt It would be grand, but it would be very very costly. A big sensor like that is the most expensive component of the camera. I'd love a true 6x6 digital camera with a 75 mm lens. The available, new film cameras (Fuji GF670 $1600, or Voigtländer Bessa III $2995, or Rolleiflex TLR $5500) are already a great deal of money. Add a $10,000 sensor/data system package ... Eventually, someone will make it, I'm sure. Granted, they aren't fixed lens cameras, but in their configuration some of the Alpas are functionally like fixed lens cameras. They don't look like they'd be very handy for quick change of lenses, and extra lenses on their boards would be very UNhandy to carry about. But a set up Alpa looks sweet. I'd love to hit the streets with an Alpa 12 TC, http://www.alpa.ch/en/products/cameras/camera-bodies/alpa-12-tc.html It's got the kind of presence that says, Never mind me, I'm just a photographer going about my business. I'm certainly not a creepy old guy with a big, expensive black camera. regards, Anthony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36?
Sales price might be a bit prohibitive unless your companies name is Leica, or maybe Hasselblad. And speaking of Hasselblad, anyone want to over pay an outragious amount of money for a Sony NEX? http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/09/new-term.html (Linked just for the new term). On 9/19/2012 7:34 PM, Mark C wrote: Like a digital version of a Fujifilm GSW 6x7 or 6x9 camera? That would be swt Mark On 9/19/2012 5:48 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: NO, I mean a fixed lens digital camera with very large sensor - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of l...@red4est.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fixed lens digital cameras : Why not go larger than 24x36? You mean like a 645D? J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - If your gonna put a fixed lens on a camera, why not have the sensor even bigger than 24x36? Quality could increase substantially -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
