Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Paul Stenquist]

But the difference in image circle between a full frame lens and an APS lens is 
much less than that if a medium format lens vs a full frame lens. They do have 
a sweet spot, although The recent full frame Pentax lenses are generally sharp 
from corner to corner.

Paul

> On May 17, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 17.05.20 um 14:39 schrieb Henk Terhell:
>> I recall some tests by Tony Northrup on YT showing it is better to keep
>> FF glass on a FF body and crop in processing than to put a FF lens on a
>> crop body, assuming both bodies have sensors from the latest generation.
> 
> This has a lot to do with the old misconception that a medium format
> lens gives better results on 35 mm because only the centre of the glass
> is used. As a matter of fact, the medium format lens has a lower
> resolution because it has to 'illuminate' a much larger area.
> 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Rick Womer]

I remain very happy with my K-5; I have a K-7 as a backup (which I rarely use).

A rear screen that moves (such as the K-1 has) would tempt me. The “hybrid 
viewfinder” would have been interesting. Right now, though, I’m not tempted.

Rick

> On May 14, 2020, at 4:16 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I'm glad to see that Ricoh is continuing to release Pentax DSLRs but 
> unfortunately the major competition for this camera will be the K-3 and 
> K-3II, and even the K-5 series, and with some reservations the K-P.  I'd say 
> that they are capable of 90% of anything anyone wants to do in general 
> photography.   Maybe if I'm still alive in 10 years and the world doesn't 
> degenerate to Mad Max levels of civilization, I'll buy one used...
> 
> On 5/14/2020 7:49 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>> https://photorumors.com/2020/05/13/ricoh-to-release-additional-information-on-their-upcoming-flagship-pentax-aps-c-dslr-camera-and-pentax-d-fa-85mm-f-1-4-lens-this-friday/
>>  
>> 
>> or
>> https://bit.ly/2WShF0c
>> 
>> Henk
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 17.05.20 um 14:39 schrieb Henk Terhell:

I recall some tests by Tony Northrup on YT showing it is better to keep
FF glass on a FF body and crop in processing than to put a FF lens on a
crop body, assuming both bodies have sensors from the latest generation.


This has a lot to do with the old misconception that a medium format
lens gives better results on 35 mm because only the centre of the glass
is used. As a matter of fact, the medium format lens has a lower
resolution because it has to 'illuminate' a much larger area.

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

I recall some tests by Tony Northrup on YT showing it is better to keep 
FF glass on a FF body and crop in processing than to put a FF lens on a 
crop body, assuming both bodies have sensors from the latest generation.



Henk

Op 2020-05-17 om 14:15 schreef Paul Stenquist:

Yes, the K-1 in crop mode is 16mp. I shoot long lens birds in full Frame mode 
and crop as desired. It’s a bigger canvas. But I fed get good results using the 
same glass on the K3. I’ll have to try it again.

Paul


On May 16, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 5/16/2020 4:48 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Paul

On May 16, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bill  wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2020, 2:22 am Henk Terhell,  wrote:


I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for
the advantages on the long end.


I kept my K3 body for that reason.
I used it the other day for the first time since I got my K1.
Hang onto your K1. If you don't need the reach, it gives a nicer image.
When you need the reach, use whatever APS-C camera you decide on.
That's what I'd do.

bill


Or simply crop your K-1 image and take advantage of the sweet center of your 
glass. The resolution is approximately the same.

The K1 in crop is 16mp, the K3 and newer APS-C is 24mp. I'd keep using the full 
frame glass and just add an APS-C body to give more reach. That 8mp is a fair 
amount of resolution.

bill

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, the K-1 in crop mode is 16mp. I shoot long lens birds in full Frame mode 
and crop as desired. It’s a bigger canvas. But I fed get good results using the 
same glass on the K3. I’ll have to try it again.

Paul

> On May 16, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 5/16/2020 4:48 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Paul
 On May 16, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 16 May 2020, 2:22 am Henk Terhell,  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for
 the advantages on the long end.
 
>>> 
>>> I kept my K3 body for that reason.
>>> I used it the other day for the first time since I got my K1.
>>> Hang onto your K1. If you don't need the reach, it gives a nicer image.
>>> When you need the reach, use whatever APS-C camera you decide on.
>>> That's what I'd do.
>>> 
>>> bill
>>> 
>> Or simply crop your K-1 image and take advantage of the sweet center of your 
>> glass. The resolution is approximately the same.
> 
> The K1 in crop is 16mp, the K3 and newer APS-C is 24mp. I'd keep using the 
> full frame glass and just add an APS-C body to give more reach. That 8mp is a 
> fair amount of resolution.
> 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Paul Stenquist]

You’re right. It’s been years since I looked at the numbers. I’ll try my K-3 
again iin a bird shoot in my backyard.

Paul

> On May 16, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 5/16/2020 4:48 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Paul
 On May 16, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 16 May 2020, 2:22 am Henk Terhell,  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for
 the advantages on the long end.
 
>>> 
>>> I kept my K3 body for that reason.
>>> I used it the other day for the first time since I got my K1.
>>> Hang onto your K1. If you don't need the reach, it gives a nicer image.
>>> When you need the reach, use whatever APS-C camera you decide on.
>>> That's what I'd do.
>>> 
>>> bill
>>> 
>> Or simply crop your K-1 image and take advantage of the sweet center of your 
>> glass. The resolution is approximately the same.
> 
> The K1 in crop is 16mp, the K3 and newer APS-C is 24mp. I'd keep using the 
> full frame glass and just add an APS-C body to give more reach. That 8mp is a 
> fair amount of resolution.
> 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Paul Stenquist]

Paul

> On May 16, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 16 May 2020, 2:22 am Henk Terhell,  wrote:
> 
>> I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for
>> the advantages on the long end.
>> 
> 
> I kept my K3 body for that reason.
> I used it the other day for the first time since I got my K1.
> Hang onto your K1. If you don't need the reach, it gives a nicer image.
> When you need the reach, use whatever APS-C camera you decide on.
> That's what I'd do.
> 
> bill
> 

Or simply crop your K-1 image and take advantage of the sweet center of your 
glass. The resolution is approximately the same.

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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> On 16 May 2020 at 21:18 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> I noticed that they have the tactile positioning bump on the 21mm as 
> well.  I hope that they've re positioned it to coincide with the new 
> location of the lens release button, especially as it won't work on a 
> film body, (with what appears to be an electronically controlled 
> aperture and no aperture ring).

Not even Z1-p/MZ-S?

> 
> On 5/15/2020 3:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > Larry Colen wrote:
> >
> >>> On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
> >>> spectacular.
> >> It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also 
> >> notice that they didn’t mention the max aperture.
> > I also hate the integrated lens shade :(
> > The front element looks too small for it to be a 2.8 (I have the FA
> > 20mm f/2.8) so I'm betting it'll be f/4.0
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Bill]

On 5/16/2020 4:48 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:



Paul


On May 16, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bill  wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2020, 2:22 am Henk Terhell,  wrote:


I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for
the advantages on the long end.



I kept my K3 body for that reason.
I used it the other day for the first time since I got my K1.
Hang onto your K1. If you don't need the reach, it gives a nicer image.
When you need the reach, use whatever APS-C camera you decide on.
That's what I'd do.

bill



Or simply crop your K-1 image and take advantage of the sweet center of your 
glass. The resolution is approximately the same.



The K1 in crop is 16mp, the K3 and newer APS-C is 24mp. I'd keep using 
the full frame glass and just add an APS-C body to give more reach. That 
8mp is a fair amount of resolution.


bill

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[John]

On 5/16/2020 17:49:11, Bill wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2020, 2:22 am Henk Terhell,  wrote:


I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for
the advantages on the long end.



I kept my K3 body for that reason.
I used it the other day for the first time since I got my K1.
Hang onto your K1. If you don't need the reach, it gives a nicer image.
When you need the reach, use whatever APS-C camera you decide on.
That's what I'd do.

bill





The K3 is my backup for the K1, but I kept my K10D & K20D and have used all four 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[John]

I'm still using a mix of AF film lenses with newer "digital" lenses. My 
photography isn't so good you could tell any difference in image quality.


Now that I have the FA*600 f/4 I'm never going to use my "Bigma" again. What 
would be a fair price to ask for it?


It's an Ok lens, but it never really made me happy.

On 5/16/2020 07:06:37, Alan C wrote:
When I went digital I originally used my old film era lenses. I had an FA 
100-300 which did quite well but was a bit soft at the long end like your DA 
55-300. I upgraded to an HD 55-300 WR which I find is sharp over the whole 
range. I got is at a bargain price because it was "shop soiled" -  one corner of 
the box was damaged!


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On 16-May-20 10:57 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 16.05.20 um 10:21 schrieb Henk Terhell:


The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing
450 mm maximum.


Mine is generally fine but gets noticeably soft beyond 250 mm.

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[John]

On 5/15/2020 20:47:18, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or am I
missing something?


I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.
  



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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Bill]

On Sat, 16 May 2020, 2:22 am Henk Terhell,  wrote:

> I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for
> the advantages on the long end.
>

I kept my K3 body for that reason.
I used it the other day for the first time since I got my K1.
Hang onto your K1. If you don't need the reach, it gives a nicer image.
When you need the reach, use whatever APS-C camera you decide on.
That's what I'd do.

bill

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

The K-P has a tilt screen also.

I don't like the looks of the K-P for ergonomics, even with the "big" 
grip it looks too much like a *ist-D which is painful to hold after 
almost any other Pentax DSLR I've held except the K20D who's grip also 
leaves a lot to be desired.


Personally if I needed a tilt screen I'd look into a K-70, unless the 
magnesium alloy body shell and accessory battery grip are important, the 
price either camera is with a couple hundred dollars so it's probably 
not an issue for most.  So I guess I agree with you.


The only other issue I can think of is battery life,  and they also use 
the same battery and I think have pretty much the same electronics inside.


On 5/16/2020 6:42 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
The K-3 II has a fixed screen I discover so it is of no use for me. 
However the K-70 looks OK for me.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 11:52 schreef Henk Terhell:
Thanks Larry. I won't sell my K-1 because I am using this frequently 
for local concerts (classical, which means no flash light), when 
these ever will be started again.
My K-5 is fine for backup but the lack of a tilt screen is a serious 
handicap for e.g. macro work. I can't understand now how I ever did 
w/o tilted screen.
Unless the new flagship has some attractive innovation it is not a 
bad idea to get instead a  K-3 II, KP or whatever is offered in 
bargain sales.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 11:02 schreef Larry Colen:



On May 16, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res 
APS-C for the advantages on the long end.
The big advantage of the K-1 is wide fast lenses, since it was 
released there have been some APS wide fast lenses that nearly make 
up the difference for speed and AoV.


I think that when you’re pushing the limits, the K-1 still has a 
technical advantage.


My K-3 is better at shooting any sort of action, except in the 
lowest of light.


I have to crop much with current lenses on the K-1. I use a Sigma 
70-300, Tamron 70-300 and Pentax 100-300, but these are all cheap 
lenses  providing much flair (not the Pentax) and softness. 
Cropping on the K-1 using these lenses gives me about the same 
resolution as when used on my K-5.

When I’m birding, I’ll put a K-3 on my long lens.
The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens 
providing  450 mm maximum.
For the price of a FF FA 150-450 you can probably buy a flagship 
APS-C with DA 55-300.
  For what it would cost you to sell the K-1 and buy the flagship 
APS, you could buy a really nice K-3 II and have both a full frame 
and an APS.


It will be interesting to see how the new camera performs when it 
comes out.  It takes about one Moore’s law cycle for an APS sensor 
to match the performance of a FF sensor, and the new camera will be 
about 2 cycles newer than the K-1




Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 03:03 schreef P. J. Alling:

I think the original announcement last year specified 24mp.

On 5/15/2020 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:

If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C 
Sensor? Or am I

missing something?

I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think the PZ-1p or the MZ-S supports the new electronic aperture 
protocol, there is no stop down lever on the lens so any camera prior to 
the K-S2 with the proper firmware upgrade will be unable to get the lens 
to stop down, nor will it be able to auto focus.  I suppose if you want 
to manually focus and only shoot wide open you could, but taken all 
together that seems to make the lens pretty close to unusable.



On 5/16/2020 4:31 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 16 May 2020 at 21:18 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:


I noticed that they have the tactile positioning bump on the 21mm as
well.  I hope that they've re positioned it to coincide with the new
location of the lens release button, especially as it won't work on a
film body, (with what appears to be an electronically controlled
aperture and no aperture ring).

Not even Z1-p/MZ-S?


On 5/15/2020 3:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:

The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
spectacular.

It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also notice 
that they didn’t mention the max aperture.

I also hate the integrated lens shade :(
The front element looks too small for it to be a 2.8 (I have the FA
20mm f/2.8) so I'm betting it'll be f/4.0


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

I noticed that they have the tactile positioning bump on the 21mm as 
well.  I hope that they've re positioned it to coincide with the new 
location of the lens release button, especially as it won't work on a 
film body, (with what appears to be an electronically controlled 
aperture and no aperture ring).


On 5/15/2020 3:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:

The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
spectacular.

It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also notice 
that they didn’t mention the max aperture.

I also hate the integrated lens shade :(
The front element looks too small for it to be a 2.8 (I have the FA
20mm f/2.8) so I'm betting it'll be f/4.0
  


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Alan C]

Yes, the additional Mp will potentially give a better images & allow 
harder cropping but that is nothing to do with focal length. You didn't 
mention using the 450 on an APS-C!


Alan C

On 16-May-20 03:24 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
For wildlife in particular it is a matter of angle of view and the 
possibility to get your subject in the frame.
If I use a FF 300 mm lens on the 36 MP K-1 and crop it in Lightroom to 
the same angle of view as an APS-C lens of nominal 300 mm I loose a 
lot of pixels as it would result in 16 MP pictures (MP divided by crop 
factor squared).
I would be better off using either a 24MP APS-C camera with a 
dedicated APS-C lens, or (more expensive) a max. 450 mm FF lens on the 
K-1.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 12:59 schreef Alan C:

On 16-May-20 10:21 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens 
providing 450 mm maximum.


This is a fallacy. It remains 300mm max. The cropped APS-C simply 
sees a narrower field of view (2/3 of FF) giving the illusion of a 
longer focal length.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

For wildlife in particular it is a matter of angle of view and the 
possibility to get your subject in the frame.
If I use a FF 300 mm lens on the 36 MP K-1 and crop it in Lightroom to 
the same angle of view as an APS-C lens of nominal 300 mm I loose a lot 
of pixels as it would result in 16 MP pictures (MP divided by crop 
factor squared).
I would be better off using either a 24MP APS-C camera with a dedicated 
APS-C lens, or (more expensive) a max. 450 mm FF lens on the K-1.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 12:59 schreef Alan C:

On 16-May-20 10:21 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing 
450 mm maximum.


This is a fallacy. It remains 300mm max. The cropped APS-C simply sees 
a narrower field of view (2/3 of FF) giving the illusion of a longer 
focal length.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Paul Stenquist]

I have a K-3 but use the K-1 for birding with the 150-450 and DA1.4X converter. 
I think it focuses slightly quicker than the K-3, and I like having more room 
to crop and reframe.

Paul

> On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for the 
>> advantages on the long end.
> 
> The big advantage of the K-1 is wide fast lenses, since it was released there 
> have been some APS wide fast lenses that nearly make up the difference for 
> speed and AoV.
> 
> I think that when you’re pushing the limits, the K-1 still has a technical 
> advantage. 
> 
> My K-3 is better at shooting any sort of action, except in the lowest of 
> light.  
> 
>> I have to crop much with current lenses on the K-1. I use a Sigma 70-300, 
>> Tamron 70-300 and Pentax 100-300, but these are all cheap lenses  providing 
>> much flair (not the Pentax) and softness. Cropping on the K-1 using these 
>> lenses gives me about the same resolution as when used on my K-5.
> 
> When I’m birding, I’ll put a K-3 on my long lens.  
>> The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing  450 
>> mm maximum.
>> For the price of a FF FA 150-450 you can probably buy a flagship APS-C with 
>> DA 55-300.
> 
> For what it would cost you to sell the K-1 and buy the flagship APS, you 
> could buy a really nice K-3 II and have both a full frame and an APS.
> 
> It will be interesting to see how the new camera performs when it comes out.  
> It takes about one Moore’s law cycle for an APS sensor to match the 
> performance of a FF sensor, and the new camera will be about 2 cycles newer 
> than the K-1
> 
> 
>> 
>> Henk
>> 
>> Op 2020-05-16 om 03:03 schreef P. J. Alling:
>>> I think the original announcement last year specified 24mp.
>>> 
 On 5/15/2020 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> John wrote:
> 
>> If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or am I
>> missing something?
> I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.
>>> 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Alan C]

When I went digital I originally used my old film era lenses. I had an 
FA 100-300 which did quite well but was a bit soft at the long end like 
your DA 55-300. I upgraded to an HD 55-300 WR which I find is sharp over 
the whole range. I got is at a bargain price because it was "shop 
soiled" -  one corner of the box was damaged!


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On 16-May-20 10:57 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 16.05.20 um 10:21 schrieb Henk Terhell:


The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing
450 mm maximum.


Mine is generally fine but gets noticeably soft beyond 250 mm.

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Alan C]

On 16-May-20 10:21 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing 
450 mm maximum.


This is a fallacy. It remains 300mm max. The cropped APS-C simply sees a 
narrower field of view (2/3 of FF) giving the illusion of a longer focal 
length.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

The K-3 II has a fixed screen I discover so it is of no use for me. 
However the K-70 looks OK for me.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 11:52 schreef Henk Terhell:
Thanks Larry. I won't sell my K-1 because I am using this frequently 
for local concerts (classical, which means no flash light), when these 
ever will be started again.
My K-5 is fine for backup but the lack of a tilt screen is a serious 
handicap for e.g. macro work. I can't understand now how I ever did 
w/o tilted screen.
Unless the new flagship has some attractive innovation it is not a bad 
idea to get instead a  K-3 II, KP or whatever is offered in bargain 
sales.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 11:02 schreef Larry Colen:



On May 16, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C 
for the advantages on the long end.
The big advantage of the K-1 is wide fast lenses, since it was 
released there have been some APS wide fast lenses that nearly make 
up the difference for speed and AoV.


I think that when you’re pushing the limits, the K-1 still has a 
technical advantage.


My K-3 is better at shooting any sort of action, except in the lowest 
of light.


I have to crop much with current lenses on the K-1. I use a Sigma 
70-300, Tamron 70-300 and Pentax 100-300, but these are all cheap 
lenses  providing much flair (not the Pentax) and softness. Cropping 
on the K-1 using these lenses gives me about the same resolution as 
when used on my K-5.

When I’m birding, I’ll put a K-3 on my long lens.
The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens 
providing  450 mm maximum.
For the price of a FF FA 150-450 you can probably buy a flagship 
APS-C with DA 55-300.
  For what it would cost you to sell the K-1 and buy the flagship 
APS, you could buy a really nice K-3 II and have both a full frame 
and an APS.


It will be interesting to see how the new camera performs when it 
comes out.  It takes about one Moore’s law cycle for an APS sensor to 
match the performance of a FF sensor, and the new camera will be 
about 2 cycles newer than the K-1




Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 03:03 schreef P. J. Alling:

I think the original announcement last year specified 24mp.

On 5/15/2020 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:

If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? 
Or am I

missing something?

I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks Larry. I won't sell my K-1 because I am using this frequently for 
local concerts (classical, which means no flash light), when these ever 
will be started again.
My K-5 is fine for backup but the lack of a tilt screen is a serious 
handicap for e.g. macro work. I can't understand now how I ever did w/o 
tilted screen.
Unless the new flagship has some attractive innovation it is not a bad 
idea to get instead a  K-3 II, KP or whatever is offered in bargain sales.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 11:02 schreef Larry Colen:



On May 16, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for the 
advantages on the long end.

The big advantage of the K-1 is wide fast lenses, since it was released there 
have been some APS wide fast lenses that nearly make up the difference for 
speed and AoV.

I think that when you’re pushing the limits, the K-1 still has a technical 
advantage.

My K-3 is better at shooting any sort of action, except in the lowest of light.


I have to crop much with current lenses on the K-1. I use a Sigma 70-300, 
Tamron 70-300 and Pentax 100-300, but these are all cheap lenses  providing 
much flair (not the Pentax) and softness. Cropping on the K-1 using these 
lenses gives me about the same resolution as when used on my K-5.

When I’m birding, I’ll put a K-3 on my long lens.

The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing  450 mm 
maximum.
For the price of a FF FA 150-450 you can probably buy a flagship APS-C with DA 
55-300.

  For what it would cost you to sell the K-1 and buy the flagship APS, you 
could buy a really nice K-3 II and have both a full frame and an APS.

It will be interesting to see how the new camera performs when it comes out.  
It takes about one Moore’s law cycle for an APS sensor to match the performance 
of a FF sensor, and the new camera will be about 2 cycles newer than the K-1



Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 03:03 schreef P. J. Alling:

I think the original announcement last year specified 24mp.

On 5/15/2020 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or am I
missing something?

I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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> On May 16, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for the 
> advantages on the long end.

The big advantage of the K-1 is wide fast lenses, since it was released there 
have been some APS wide fast lenses that nearly make up the difference for 
speed and AoV.

I think that when you’re pushing the limits, the K-1 still has a technical 
advantage. 

My K-3 is better at shooting any sort of action, except in the lowest of light. 
 

> I have to crop much with current lenses on the K-1. I use a Sigma 70-300, 
> Tamron 70-300 and Pentax 100-300, but these are all cheap lenses  providing 
> much flair (not the Pentax) and softness. Cropping on the K-1 using these 
> lenses gives me about the same resolution as when used on my K-5.

When I’m birding, I’ll put a K-3 on my long lens.  
> The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing  450 mm 
> maximum.
> For the price of a FF FA 150-450 you can probably buy a flagship APS-C with 
> DA 55-300.

 For what it would cost you to sell the K-1 and buy the flagship APS, you could 
buy a really nice K-3 II and have both a full frame and an APS.

It will be interesting to see how the new camera performs when it comes out.  
It takes about one Moore’s law cycle for an APS sensor to match the performance 
of a FF sensor, and the new camera will be about 2 cycles newer than the K-1


> 
> Henk
> 
> Op 2020-05-16 om 03:03 schreef P. J. Alling:
>> I think the original announcement last year specified 24mp.
>> 
>> On 5/15/2020 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> John wrote:
>>> 
 If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or am I
 missing something?
>>> I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.
>> 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 16.05.20 um 10:21 schrieb Henk Terhell:


The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing
450 mm maximum.


Mine is generally fine but gets noticeably soft beyond 250 mm.

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

I'm playing with the idea to switch back from FF to a high res APS-C for 
the advantages on the long end.
I have to crop much with current lenses on the K-1. I use a Sigma 
70-300, Tamron 70-300 and Pentax 100-300, but these are all cheap 
lenses  providing much flair (not the Pentax) and softness. Cropping on 
the K-1 using these lenses gives me about the same resolution as when 
used on my K-5.
The Pentax DA 55-300 WR looks like an attractive light lens providing  
450 mm maximum.
For the price of a FF FA 150-450 you can probably buy a flagship APS-C 
with DA 55-300.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 03:03 schreef P. J. Alling:

I think the original announcement last year specified 24mp.

On 5/15/2020 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:

If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or 
am I

missing something?

I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.





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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

I mean resolution, not size of course. 26 MB seems to be the highest at 
present.


Henk

Op 2020-05-16 om 02:32 schreef John:
If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or 
am I missing something?


On 5/15/2020 03:34:17, Henk Terhell wrote:
In summary: an improved viewfinder, improved AF and a dedicated 
battery grip.

Nothing about the backpanel.
Nothing about sensor size.
Delivery by the end of this year.

Op 2020-05-15 om 09:06 schreef Henk Terhell:

Now on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/vXd47-xBXSU

Henk

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Bill]

On 5/15/2020 6:45 PM, John wrote:






It's got a DOF scale that shows F/4. Does that mean anything?




I ask3ed myself that same question, so I looked at a couple of lenses, 
their DOF marks all start at f4. It won't be slower than f/4.

A guy on Pentax forums has found a clever way to figure out how big it is.
He figures:

Changing the zoom on my monitor, to get the mount the same size as a 
physical K mount...


90mm from the lens base (not including the mount) to the top of the hood.
75mm at the widest part of the barrel, where the hood starts.
72mm at the focus ring.
68mm at the 'aperture ring'.
I also concur with the earlier measurement of 67mm for the filter size.

Read more at: 
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/407338-d-fa-21-limited-one-three-2.html#ixzz6MZ6MmE1B


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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> On May 15, 2020, at 5:45 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 5/15/2020 15:49:47, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Larry Colen wrote:
 On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:
 
 The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
 spectacular.
>>> 
>>> It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also 
>>> notice that they didn’t mention the max aperture.
>> I also hate the integrated lens shade :(
>> The front element looks too small for it to be a 2.8 (I have the FA
>> 20mm f/2.8) so I'm betting it'll be f/4.0
>>  
> 
> It's got a DOF scale that shows F/4. Does that mean anything?

That means that it is at least f/4.  I have several lenses that don’t bother 
with wide open DoF because you can’t make lines thin enough beyond what they 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

I think the original announcement last year specified 24mp.

On 5/15/2020 8:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or am I
missing something?

I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.
  


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Ken Waller]

Hey, I resemble that remark !


-Original Message-
>From: "P. J. Alling" 
>Sent: May 15, 2020 2:30 PM
>Subject: Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow
>
>You're asking for an awful lot from engineers, when I worked for General 
>DataCom, I was happy when my peers showered.
>
>On 5/15/2020 2:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> One could wish that people at that level in a photography company would be 
>> better at lighting and backgrounds for conference calls. Wakashiro did the 
>> best.
>>
>>
>>> On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>>
>>> The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
>>> spectacular.
>> It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also 
>> notice that they didn’t mention the max aperture.
>>
>> I wonder if the new focusing motor will be more, or less reliable than the 
>> old 16-50.
>>
>> I can’t  believe that they spent so much time discussing the shape of the 
>> pentaprism, or that people care.  I hope that the new focus select on the AP 
>> flagship means that there are a lot more focus points.
>>
>> Poking around on the website, I found this page that seems to have some 
>> handy little bits to supplement the abysmal manuals discussing things like 
>> the hyper program system and the underlying logic of the UI.  when they said 
>> “lost” I thought it was a call back to the GPS feature that used to let you 
>> set waypoints.
>>
>> http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/explore/technic/?utm_source=rim_top_newcnt_e_medium=textlink_campaign=technic_e
>>
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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John wrote:

>If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or am I 
>missing something?

I think he means size in megapixels rather than physical dimensions.
 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[John]

On 5/15/2020 15:49:47, Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:

The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
spectacular.


It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also notice 
that they didn’t mention the max aperture.


I also hate the integrated lens shade :(
The front element looks too small for it to be a 2.8 (I have the FA
20mm f/2.8) so I'm betting it'll be f/4.0
  



It's got a DOF scale that shows F/4. Does that mean anything?


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[John]

If it's the new APS-C flagship, wouldn't it have an APS-C Sensor? Or am I 
missing something?


On 5/15/2020 03:34:17, Henk Terhell wrote:

In summary: an improved viewfinder, improved AF and a dedicated battery grip.
Nothing about the backpanel.
Nothing about sensor size.
Delivery by the end of this year.

Op 2020-05-15 om 09:06 schreef Henk Terhell:

Now on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/vXd47-xBXSU

Henk

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

Hopefully it does have some sort of movable screen otherwise it would be 
a no-go.


Henk

Op 2020-05-15 om 21:36 schreef P. J. Alling:
They didn't mention it but it looks like it might have a tilt screen 
which should make some people happy.


On 5/14/2020 7:49 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
https://photorumors.com/2020/05/13/ricoh-to-release-additional-information-on-their-upcoming-flagship-pentax-aps-c-dslr-camera-and-pentax-d-fa-85mm-f-1-4-lens-this-friday/ 



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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>> On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>> The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
>> spectacular.
>
>It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also 
>notice that they didn’t mention the max aperture. 

I also hate the integrated lens shade :(
The front element looks too small for it to be a 2.8 (I have the FA
20mm f/2.8) so I'm betting it'll be f/4.0
 
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

They didn't mention it but it looks like it might have a tilt screen 
which should make some people happy.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

You're asking for an awful lot from engineers, when I worked for General 
DataCom, I was happy when my peers showered.


On 5/15/2020 2:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

One could wish that people at that level in a photography company would be 
better at lighting and backgrounds for conference calls. Wakashiro did the best.



On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:

The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
spectacular.

It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also notice 
that they didn’t mention the max aperture.

I wonder if the new focusing motor will be more, or less reliable than the old 
16-50.

I can’t  believe that they spent so much time discussing the shape of the 
pentaprism, or that people care.  I hope that the new focus select on the AP 
flagship means that there are a lot more focus points.

Poking around on the website, I found this page that seems to have some handy 
little bits to supplement the abysmal manuals discussing things like the hyper 
program system and the underlying logic of the UI.  when they said “lost” I 
thought it was a call back to the GPS feature that used to let you set 
waypoints.

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/explore/technic/?utm_source=rim_top_newcnt_e_medium=textlink_campaign=technic_e


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Larry Colen]

One could wish that people at that level in a photography company would be 
better at lighting and backgrounds for conference calls. Wakashiro did the best.


> On May 15, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
> spectacular.

It has the integrated sunshade of the FA 31 that I hate so much.  I also notice 
that they didn’t mention the max aperture. 

I wonder if the new focusing motor will be more, or less reliable than the old 
16-50.

I can’t  believe that they spent so much time discussing the shape of the 
pentaprism, or that people care.  I hope that the new focus select on the AP 
flagship means that there are a lot more focus points.

Poking around on the website, I found this page that seems to have some handy 
little bits to supplement the abysmal manuals discussing things like the hyper 
program system and the underlying logic of the UI.  when they said “lost” I 
thought it was a call back to the GPS feature that used to let you set 
waypoints.

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/explore/technic/?utm_source=rim_top_newcnt_e_medium=textlink_campaign=technic_e

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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The APS-C camera is nice, but the 21mm LTD looks like it will be pretty 
spectacular.


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 09:34:17AM +0200, Henk Terhell wrote:
> In summary: an improved viewfinder, improved AF and a dedicated battery
> grip.
> Nothing about the backpanel.
> Nothing about sensor size.
> Delivery by the end of this year.

As it's billed as an APS-C flagship I'd guesss the sensor size is known.
Improved AF is definitely a plus.  As I'm still currently using a K5 it
would definitely have a better sensor than what I have.

Dedicated battery grip isn't really surprising; It's rare for the same
battery grip to be used on two significantly different camera models.

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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

In summary: an improved viewfinder, improved AF and a dedicated battery 
grip.

Nothing about the backpanel.
Nothing about sensor size.
Delivery by the end of this year.

Op 2020-05-15 om 09:06 schreef Henk Terhell:

Now on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/vXd47-xBXSU

Henk

Op 2020-05-14 om 13:49 schreef Henk Terhell:
https://photorumors.com/2020/05/13/ricoh-to-release-additional-information-on-their-upcoming-flagship-pentax-aps-c-dslr-camera-and-pentax-d-fa-85mm-f-1-4-lens-this-friday/ 



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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Henk Terhell]

Now on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/vXd47-xBXSU

Henk

Op 2020-05-14 om 13:49 schreef Henk Terhell:
https://photorumors.com/2020/05/13/ricoh-to-release-additional-information-on-their-upcoming-flagship-pentax-aps-c-dslr-camera-and-pentax-d-fa-85mm-f-1-4-lens-this-friday/ 



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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

Yes Mirrorless calls in a high shrill voice, reminding us all of how 
inadequate we are because of our inadequate equipment. Reminds me of a 
girlfriend I once escaped from.


On 5/14/2020 8:45 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Henk Terhell wrote:


https://photorumors.com/2020/05/13/ricoh-to-release-additional-information-on-their-upcoming-flagship-pentax-aps-c-dslr-camera-and-pentax-d-fa-85mm-f-1-4-lens-this-friday/

Yeah, but it's not mirrorless, is it? And everyone knows that you
can't take good photos any more unless you're using a mirrorless
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[P. J. Alling]

I'm glad to see that Ricoh is continuing to release Pentax DSLRs but 
unfortunately the major competition for this camera will be the K-3 and 
K-3II, and even the K-5 series, and with some reservations the K-P.  I'd 
say that they are capable of 90% of anything anyone wants to do in 
general photography.   Maybe if I'm still alive in 10 years and the 
world doesn't degenerate to Mad Max levels of civilization, I'll buy one 
used...


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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Except, of course, astronomers.  

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:34 AM Henk Terhell  wrote:

> Scientists never look in a mirror. That is scientifically proven.
>
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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Scientists never look in a mirror. That is scientifically proven.

Henk

Op 2020-05-14 om 14:45 schreef Mark Roberts:

Henk Terhell wrote:


https://photorumors.com/2020/05/13/ricoh-to-release-additional-information-on-their-upcoming-flagship-pentax-aps-c-dslr-camera-and-pentax-d-fa-85mm-f-1-4-lens-this-friday/

Yeah, but it's not mirrorless, is it? And everyone knows that you
can't take good photos any more unless you're using a mirrorless
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Daniel J. Matyola]

MARK!

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On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> Henk Terhell wrote:
>
> >
> https://photorumors.com/2020/05/13/ricoh-to-release-additional-information-on-their-upcoming-flagship-pentax-aps-c-dslr-camera-and-pentax-d-fa-85mm-f-1-4-lens-this-friday/
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> Yeah, but it's not mirrorless, is it? And everyone knows that you
> can't take good photos any more unless you're using a mirrorless
> camera. It's been scientifically proven.
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

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Henk Terhell wrote:

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Yeah, but it's not mirrorless, is it? And everyone knows that you
can't take good photos any more unless you're using a mirrorless
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Re: Information to be announced on new Pentax APS-C flagship tomorrow

[Bulent Celasun]

Good to know.
DSLR does not seem to be dead, as yet.

I believe the K3 will likely remain my last DSLR (if it doesn't fail),
and Ricoh GRiii my last non-DSLR APSC camera for the foreseeable future.

Film cameras live much longer, by the way.

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