Re: K-3II announcement and new FA Limited primes coming...
The clip on Pentax GPS is brilliant :-) But of course it's more convenient to have it built in. Also, it prevents the use of other hot shoe equipment, such as a remote trigger. I seriously consider getting the K-3II - or should I wait for the Full Frame body to appear ? Regards Jens Den 22-04-2015 kl. 01:13 skrev Ralf R Radermacher: Am 22.04.15 um 00:09 schrieb Brian Walters: ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. Ralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 01:33:44PM -0600, steve harley wrote: > On 2015-04-24 6:25 , Darren Addy wrote: > >It is possible, assuming that the flash would only use 25% of full > >manual power on the 4 consecutive shots. > > i would think each of the 4 exposures would require the nominal amount of > flash, as you'd need a good "histogram" on each of them to get the best > result after merging Each of the four exposures would get the same amount of flash (up to 25% of the total power the flash has available). (That, of course, reduces the effective guide number of the flash). The camera will tell the flash unit how much power it should use. That's what is done nowadays when using high speed sync - multiple firings of the flash as the open slit in the shutter moves across the sensor. I'm always impressed that the shutter mechanism is precise enough that there are no visible artifacts of this - that means the timing of the flash has to be precise to the microsecond, and the shutter curtains have to remain parallel, with a constant separation, to within the dimension of a pixel. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2015-04-24 6:25 , Darren Addy wrote: It is possible, assuming that the flash would only use 25% of full manual power on the 4 consecutive shots. i would think each of the 4 exposures would require the nominal amount of flash, as you'd need a good "histogram" on each of them to get the best result after merging -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is possible, assuming that the flash would only use 25% of full manual power on the 4 consecutive shots. However, if you are taking a studio portrait, I think we can pretty much assume that the last three pixel shifts will capture the subject with their eyes closed. (Only half joking there). On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:33 AM, John Francis wrote: > > I don't see why you think this means it won't work with flash. > I'd expect the camera to be quite capable of triggering the flash > each time it 'opens' the electronic shutter. And, as I point out, > any high speed sync capable flash is capable of being triggered > multiple times during the 1/180 sec or so of a fast exposure. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 04:49:15PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: >> I don't think this (the pixel shift resolution) is going to work with >> flash period. The pixel shift resolution is not using the focal plane >> shutter for anything more than opening and closing the "window". The 4 >> exposures taken while that window are open will be done by electronic >> shutter (basically a turning on and off of the sensor electronically). >> The mirror will go up and focal length shutter open at the >> beginning... the 4 exposures will be taken and the shutter will close >> and mirror come down again afterwards (making it feel something like a >> 1/2 second exposure). >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, John Francis wrote: >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 05:35:59AM -0400, Glen Berry wrote: >> >> Yeah, in the other K-3 II thread, I had mentioned this myself. I suppose >> >> they could do something where each of the four sub-exposures gets 1/4 of >> >> the >> >> total flash power, with the flash firing a total of 4 times for each >> >> resolution-enhanced image. For TTL flash, that would probably require a >> >> special flash unit with special programming. >> > >> > As Pentax already offer a high speed flash sync mode (basically firing the >> > flash multiple times, synced with the shutter motion, to expose the image >> > in strips as the shutter slit moves across the frame), I don't see there >> > being any problem in using flash for the four sub-exposures. I would assume >> > that any flash that supports high-speed sync mode today (such as an >> > AF540FGZ, >> > or one of several third-party units) would have no problems supporting >> > this. >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> > follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't see why you think this means it won't work with flash. I'd expect the camera to be quite capable of triggering the flash each time it 'opens' the electronic shutter. And, as I point out, any high speed sync capable flash is capable of being triggered multiple times during the 1/180 sec or so of a fast exposure. On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 04:49:15PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: > I don't think this (the pixel shift resolution) is going to work with > flash period. The pixel shift resolution is not using the focal plane > shutter for anything more than opening and closing the "window". The 4 > exposures taken while that window are open will be done by electronic > shutter (basically a turning on and off of the sensor electronically). > The mirror will go up and focal length shutter open at the > beginning... the 4 exposures will be taken and the shutter will close > and mirror come down again afterwards (making it feel something like a > 1/2 second exposure). > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, John Francis wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 05:35:59AM -0400, Glen Berry wrote: > >> Yeah, in the other K-3 II thread, I had mentioned this myself. I suppose > >> they could do something where each of the four sub-exposures gets 1/4 of > >> the > >> total flash power, with the flash firing a total of 4 times for each > >> resolution-enhanced image. For TTL flash, that would probably require a > >> special flash unit with special programming. > > > > As Pentax already offer a high speed flash sync mode (basically firing the > > flash multiple times, synced with the shutter motion, to expose the image > > in strips as the shutter slit moves across the frame), I don't see there > > being any problem in using flash for the four sub-exposures. I would assume > > that any flash that supports high-speed sync mode today (such as an > > AF540FGZ, > > or one of several third-party units) would have no problems supporting this. > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > > -- > Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Darren Addy wrote: I don't think this (the pixel shift resolution) is going to work with flash period. The pixel shift resolution is not using the focal plane shutter for anything more than opening and closing the "window". The 4 exposures taken while that window are open will be done by electronic shutter (basically a turning on and off of the sensor electronically). The mirror will go up and focal length shutter open at the beginning... the 4 exposures will be taken and the shutter will close and mirror come down again afterwards (making it feel something like a 1/2 second exposure). I wonder if the electronic shutter can be used to give flash sync at over 1/160th second. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't think this (the pixel shift resolution) is going to work with flash period. The pixel shift resolution is not using the focal plane shutter for anything more than opening and closing the "window". The 4 exposures taken while that window are open will be done by electronic shutter (basically a turning on and off of the sensor electronically). The mirror will go up and focal length shutter open at the beginning... the 4 exposures will be taken and the shutter will close and mirror come down again afterwards (making it feel something like a 1/2 second exposure). On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, John Francis wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 05:35:59AM -0400, Glen Berry wrote: >> Yeah, in the other K-3 II thread, I had mentioned this myself. I suppose >> they could do something where each of the four sub-exposures gets 1/4 of the >> total flash power, with the flash firing a total of 4 times for each >> resolution-enhanced image. For TTL flash, that would probably require a >> special flash unit with special programming. > > As Pentax already offer a high speed flash sync mode (basically firing the > flash multiple times, synced with the shutter motion, to expose the image > in strips as the shutter slit moves across the frame), I don't see there > being any problem in using flash for the four sub-exposures. I would assume > that any flash that supports high-speed sync mode today (such as an AF540FGZ, > or one of several third-party units) would have no problems supporting this. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 05:35:59AM -0400, Glen Berry wrote: > Yeah, in the other K-3 II thread, I had mentioned this myself. I suppose > they could do something where each of the four sub-exposures gets 1/4 of the > total flash power, with the flash firing a total of 4 times for each > resolution-enhanced image. For TTL flash, that would probably require a > special flash unit with special programming. As Pentax already offer a high speed flash sync mode (basically firing the flash multiple times, synced with the shutter motion, to expose the image in strips as the shutter slit moves across the frame), I don't see there being any problem in using flash for the four sub-exposures. I would assume that any flash that supports high-speed sync mode today (such as an AF540FGZ, or one of several third-party units) would have no problems supporting this. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm curious also. Since SR should be turned on when on tripod I think they might be avoiding that whole can of worms. On the other hand, no one has talked about the Panning Compensation in which the SR still works to give you the steadiest shot possible even though it detects (from camera movements and your choice of shutter speed, no doubt) that you are taking a panning shot. That's potentially some pretty sophisticated programming also! On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:18 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > What about anti shake, is that available in this mode or is a tripod > assumed? The sensor movement and control is probably becoming quite complex > programmatically at this point. > > On 4/23/2015 5:22 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> >> I'm also worried about the flash exposure, assuming the flash will only >> hit one exposure out of four. >> This has to be investigated. >> >> Dario >> >> -Messaggio originale- From: Larry Colen >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:12 AM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: K-3II announcement and new FA Limited primes coming... >> >> >> >> Glen Berry wrote: >>> >>> Since we're only talking about a senor shift of one pixel, would a >>> little subject movement necessarily ruin your shot? I'd think in many >>> cases, the resulting quality wouldn't be that much different than >>> shooting a normal image without the resolution enhancement turned on. >>> >> >> Let's say you take a picture of a street scene. For some reason you don't >> >> notice the reflection in the window of someone walking past. They are >> moving >> well more than one pixel per shot. What does that end up looking like? >> It's not just blur, it would be like a quadruple exposure? >> >> Or, you are taking a landscape photo. You don't even notice the wind, or >> that the tree branches and leaves, or the flowers, or the grass, is >> moving. Now rather than having more color depth at each pixel, a lot of >> the frame has the blur of a quadruple exposure. >> >> I do wonder how it would work in connection with the astrotracer, or if >> it would. >> > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What about anti shake, is that available in this mode or is a tripod assumed? The sensor movement and control is probably becoming quite complex programmatically at this point. On 4/23/2015 5:22 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: I'm also worried about the flash exposure, assuming the flash will only hit one exposure out of four. This has to be investigated. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Larry Colen Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-3II announcement and new FA Limited primes coming... Glen Berry wrote: Since we're only talking about a senor shift of one pixel, would a little subject movement necessarily ruin your shot? I'd think in many cases, the resulting quality wouldn't be that much different than shooting a normal image without the resolution enhancement turned on. Let's say you take a picture of a street scene. For some reason you don't notice the reflection in the window of someone walking past. They are moving well more than one pixel per shot. What does that end up looking like? It's not just blur, it would be like a quadruple exposure? Or, you are taking a landscape photo. You don't even notice the wind, or that the tree branches and leaves, or the flowers, or the grass, is moving. Now rather than having more color depth at each pixel, a lot of the frame has the blur of a quadruple exposure. I do wonder how it would work in connection with the astrotracer, or if it would. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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B&H has it for pre-order for $1100 IIRC. Malcolm Smith wrote: I've had an e-mail in from one of the UK dealers stating the body only option is £769, which is better than I thought it would be launched at. Malcolm -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've had an e-mail in from one of the UK dealers stating the body only option is £769, which is better than I thought it would be launched at. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, in the other K-3 II thread, I had mentioned this myself. I suppose they could do something where each of the four sub-exposures gets 1/4 of the total flash power, with the flash firing a total of 4 times for each resolution-enhanced image. For TTL flash, that would probably require a special flash unit with special programming. I suppose a thyristor flash in manual mode, at a low enough power setting, could also keep up with the four sub-exposures. Since this feature is for stationary objects, and not for action, shooting flash in manual mode wouldn't be too much of a drawback for me personally. On 4/23/2015 5:22 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: I'm also worried about the flash exposure, assuming the flash will only hit one exposure out of four. This has to be investigated. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm also worried about the flash exposure, assuming the flash will only hit one exposure out of four. This has to be investigated. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Larry Colen Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-3II announcement and new FA Limited primes coming... Glen Berry wrote: Since we're only talking about a senor shift of one pixel, would a little subject movement necessarily ruin your shot? I'd think in many cases, the resulting quality wouldn't be that much different than shooting a normal image without the resolution enhancement turned on. Let's say you take a picture of a street scene. For some reason you don't notice the reflection in the window of someone walking past. They are moving well more than one pixel per shot. What does that end up looking like? It's not just blur, it would be like a quadruple exposure? Or, you are taking a landscape photo. You don't even notice the wind, or that the tree branches and leaves, or the flowers, or the grass, is moving. Now rather than having more color depth at each pixel, a lot of the frame has the blur of a quadruple exposure. I do wonder how it would work in connection with the astrotracer, or if it would. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Glen Berry wrote: Since we're only talking about a senor shift of one pixel, would a little subject movement necessarily ruin your shot? I'd think in many cases, the resulting quality wouldn't be that much different than shooting a normal image without the resolution enhancement turned on. Let's say you take a picture of a street scene. For some reason you don't notice the reflection in the window of someone walking past. They are moving well more than one pixel per shot. What does that end up looking like? It's not just blur, it would be like a quadruple exposure? Or, you are taking a landscape photo. You don't even notice the wind, or that the tree branches and leaves, or the flowers, or the grass, is moving. Now rather than having more color depth at each pixel, a lot of the frame has the blur of a quadruple exposure. I do wonder how it would work in connection with the astrotracer, or if it would. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Since we're only talking about a senor shift of one pixel, would a little subject movement necessarily ruin your shot? I'd think in many cases, the resulting quality wouldn't be that much different than shooting a normal image without the resolution enhancement turned on. On 4/23/2015 4:31 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 01:46:23AM -0400, John Francis wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:46:59PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: What would be really nifty would be the option of getting all three or four low resolution raw files in addition to the superresolution final file, on the off chance the merge doesn't work, you'd still have unmerged files that would be usable. I don't see a lot of point to that. The logic that combines the four original images into a a single multi-channel image is pretty straigntforward; with the exception of the green component, which is the sum (or average) of values from two of the original images, each component value in the merged image is just a copy of the value in one of the four input images (possibly offset by one pixel horizontally and/or vertically). I consider it extremely unlikely that errors would occur in doing this combining (and suspect there may, in fact, be custom hardware such as a one-scanline shift register to support doing this rapidly). If there are things moving in the image enought to screw up the blend, but for some reason you just don't notice them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If I had the new K-3 II, I wouldn't miss the pop-up flash at all. I generally use either hot shoe flashes or monolights when I need flash. Speaking of hot shoes, this new internal GPS unit won't tie up your hot shoe like the older external model does. Using both GPS and a hot shoe flash at the same time should be easy now. Those of you who never shoot outdoors in the wilderness probably don't need the GPS features so much. It should be a big benefit to those wanting to capture stars as point sources instead of trails though. The compass and logging features might also come in handy while hiking through remote areas. I'd definitely make use of the GPS unit for some of my shooting. On 4/23/2015 2:51 AM, John Coyle wrote: Just occasionally I've wished I had recorded the GPS location of a shot - once for sure in the White Desert, east of Cairo. We were camping under the stars, at least an hour from the nearest town, and it would be interesting to see exactly where we were. I guess it's one of those features that's great to have when you really need it, but not much missed otherwise. Not sure about taking out the popup flash, I used mine today to throw some balancing light into a contrasty scene. John in Brisbane -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 23.04.15 um 08:51 schrieb John Coyle: I guess it's one of those features that's great to have when you really need it, but not much missed otherwise. I've been tagging my photos using a Garmin hand-held and Houdah Geo for a number of years now. My main use is in Lightroom to find all pictures I've taken at a particular location for illustrating my blog posts. Wouldn't want to be without it anymore. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 01:46:23AM -0400, John Francis wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:46:59PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > What would be really nifty would be the option of getting all three or four > > low resolution raw files in addition to the superresolution final file, on > > the off chance the merge doesn't work, you'd still have unmerged files that > > would be usable. > > I don't see a lot of point to that. The logic that combines the four original > images into a a single multi-channel image is pretty straigntforward; with the > exception of the green component, which is the sum (or average) of values from > two of the original images, each component value in the merged image is just a > copy of the value in one of the four input images (possibly offset by one > pixel > horizontally and/or vertically). I consider it extremely unlikely that errors > would occur in doing this combining (and suspect there may, in fact, be custom > hardware such as a one-scanline shift register to support doing this rapidly). If there are things moving in the image enought to screw up the blend, but for some reason you just don't notice them. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just occasionally I've wished I had recorded the GPS location of a shot - once for sure in the White Desert, east of Cairo. We were camping under the stars, at least an hour from the nearest town, and it would be interesting to see exactly where we were. I guess it's one of those features that's great to have when you really need it, but not much missed otherwise. Not sure about taking out the popup flash, I used mine today to throw some balancing light into a contrasty scene. John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.J. Alling Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2015 9:39 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-3II announcement and new FA Limited primes coming... Had not seen that view before, so Pentax is putting the GPS module where the pop up flash used to be. On the other hand Canon removes the built in GPS from one of their models because no one cared. Honestly, I sometimes use the pop up flash, but I don't think I've ever missed having GPS, and if I needed it, an add on device that Pentax already makes seems like a pretty good option. On 4/21/2015 7:10 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:34 PM, P.J. Alling > wrote: >> I wonder what "Flash not equipped" means, no built in flash or >> something else, since there seems to be a flash deployment button on >> most of the leaked pictures... > The button is now labeled "GPS" if the photos are accurate: > http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Pentax-K-3-II-DSLR-c > amera-2.jpg > -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:46:59PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > What would be really nifty would be the option of getting all three or four > low resolution raw files in addition to the superresolution final file, on > the off chance the merge doesn't work, you'd still have unmerged files that > would be usable. I don't see a lot of point to that. The logic that combines the four original images into a a single multi-channel image is pretty straigntforward; with the exception of the green component, which is the sum (or average) of values from two of the original images, each component value in the merged image is just a copy of the value in one of the four input images (possibly offset by one pixel horizontally and/or vertically). I consider it extremely unlikely that errors would occur in doing this combining (and suspect there may, in fact, be custom hardware such as a one-scanline shift register to support doing this rapidly). Where I think there is far more possibility for error is in the accuracy of the sensor shift mechanism in shifting by exactly one pixel. If such an error does occur the final image may not have quite the full spatial resolution that would be possible, but it's still going to be better than a Bayer-transformed result derived from just a single one of the four input images. And, in any case, it's pretty simple to pick apart the combined image to get the four original images (except for some slight uncertainty in the green channel). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting "P.J. Alling" : Well, yes, but both require multiple separate exposures, hand held that would be "difficult". Yes, although Olympus is said to be working on a hand-held high res mode: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/5476551037/interview-with-setsuya-kataoka-from-olympus-om-d-high-resolution-mode Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On 4/22/2015 9:21 AM, Bill wrote: On 22/04/2015 6:33 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: I'm pretty sure that the Ricoh implementation needs a static subject and a tripod as well. From what I've been able to find out, the Pentax version of pixel shifting works somewhat differently from Olympus. The Olympus moves the sensor to enable a 50mp file, the Pentax moves the sensor to give each pixel point benefit of all three colors, thereby improving color depth. bill -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/21/2015 7:13 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 22.04.15 um 00:09 schrieb Brian Walters: ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. Ralf I expect the built in GPS & high-resolution pixel shifting will be in the FF DSLR semi-announced for this fall, along with the built in flash going away. Makes more sense of why the mockup they showed didn't have the lines you would expect for the pop-up flash. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: The current AA simulator operates within a single fast shutter duration, like 1/1000th sec. Who's to say this pixel-shift doesn't operate in the same time scale? It's not the sensor actuator that's the issue; the AA simulator works within a single exposure, whereas the superresolution needs separate exposures to function. (You're moving a "green" pixel to a position that was "red"; you need separate exposures to count the green photons separately from the red. Otherwise all you're doing is blurring the image, like the AA simulator does.) If you have to operate the mechanical shutter, then it will take a substantial fraction of a second. If they implement an electronic shutter, it could be faster. But can it be fast enough that the SR system is pixel-perfect (to superimpose the deliberate motion on top)? What would be really nifty would be the option of getting all three or four low resolution raw files in addition to the superresolution final file, on the off chance the merge doesn't work, you'd still have unmerged files that would be usable. But, that would complicate the UI, and worse yet be an admission that sometimes things go wrong. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The built in ASTROTRACER function must require the GPS. That's how the O-GPS1 module worked. I don't think Canon can do that with their in lens stabilization. On 4/21/2015 7:39 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Had not seen that view before, so Pentax is putting the GPS module where the pop up flash used to be. On the other hand Canon removes the built in GPS from one of their models because no one cared. Honestly, I sometimes use the pop up flash, but I don't think I've ever missed having GPS, and if I needed it, an add on device that Pentax already makes seems like a pretty good option. On 4/21/2015 7:10 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:34 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I wonder what "Flash not equipped" means, no built in flash or something else, since there seems to be a flash deployment button on most of the leaked pictures... The button is now labeled "GPS" if the photos are accurate: http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Pentax-K-3-II-DSLR-camera-2.jpg -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/21/2015 6:34 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 4/21/2015 6:09 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Darren Addy : According to asahi man on the Pentax SLR dpreview forums we may get the announcement on the K-3 II as early as Thursday. He also stated that the FA Limiteds have been out of production for over 2 years and that the U.S. is one of the few places that still has stock remaining. With the forthcoming FF Pentax he says "Of course Pentax will stay with the Limited Line,so we will see new Limiteds for Fullframe for sure. More later in the official news." But first, he says, will be the K-3 II announcement. According to the leaked specs here: http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-ii-full-specs-image-to-be-announced-april-23th/ ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." That could be interesting if it's anything like the high res mode of the Olympus E-M5 II The method is supposed to be pretty much that of Olympus. Though probably implemented differently. I wonder what "Flash not equipped" means, no built in flash or something else, since there seems to be a flash deployment button on most of the leaked pictures... I don't see it. There's a button labeled "GPS" in the position where the flash button is on the K-3. It still has a hot shoe. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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April 23th ??? On 4/21/2015 6:09 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Darren Addy : According to asahi man on the Pentax SLR dpreview forums we may get the announcement on the K-3 II as early as Thursday. He also stated that the FA Limiteds have been out of production for over 2 years and that the U.S. is one of the few places that still has stock remaining. With the forthcoming FF Pentax he says "Of course Pentax will stay with the Limited Line,so we will see new Limiteds for Fullframe for sure. More later in the official news." But first, he says, will be the K-3 II announcement. According to the leaked specs here: http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-ii-full-specs-image-to-be-announced-april-23th/ ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." That could be interesting if it's anything like the high res mode of the Olympus E-M5 II. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > >> The current AA simulator operates within a single fast shutter >> duration, like 1/1000th sec. Who's to say this pixel-shift doesn't >> operate in the same time scale? > > It's not the sensor actuator that's the issue; the AA simulator works > within a single exposure, whereas the superresolution needs separate > exposures to function. (You're moving a "green" pixel to a position > that was "red"; you need separate exposures to count the green photons > separately from the red. Otherwise all you're doing is blurring the > image, like the AA simulator does.) If you have to operate the > mechanical shutter, then it will take a substantial fraction of a > second. If they implement an electronic shutter, it could be faster. > But can it be fast enough that the SR system is pixel-perfect (to > superimpose the deliberate motion on top)? How are we supposed to have a proper internet-style discourse if you're going to think this through? :) Sigh, of course you are probably right. Plus, the AA simulator is especially speedy because it only has to oscillate in neat circles. Probably operating near a mechanical resonance too. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > The current AA simulator operates within a single fast shutter > duration, like 1/1000th sec. Who's to say this pixel-shift doesn't > operate in the same time scale? It's not the sensor actuator that's the issue; the AA simulator works within a single exposure, whereas the superresolution needs separate exposures to function. (You're moving a "green" pixel to a position that was "red"; you need separate exposures to count the green photons separately from the red. Otherwise all you're doing is blurring the image, like the AA simulator does.) If you have to operate the mechanical shutter, then it will take a substantial fraction of a second. If they implement an electronic shutter, it could be faster. But can it be fast enough that the SR system is pixel-perfect (to superimpose the deliberate motion on top)? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The current AA simulator operates within a single fast shutter duration, like 1/1000th sec. Who's to say this pixel-shift doesn't operate in the same time scale? On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > Well, yes, but both require multiple separate exposures, hand held that > would be "difficult". > > On 4/22/2015 9:21 AM, Bill wrote: >> >> On 22/04/2015 6:33 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that the Ricoh implementation needs a static subject and >>> a tripod as well. >> >> >> From what I've been able to find out, the Pentax version of pixel shifting >> works somewhat differently from Olympus. >> The Olympus moves the sensor to enable a 50mp file, the Pentax moves the >> sensor to give each pixel point benefit of all three colors, thereby >> improving color depth. >> >> bill >> > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Darren Addy wrote: I don't think it is much of a stretch to say that if you are interested in super-resolution you are already using a tripod, just as back in the day you used a tripod and shot with the mirror locked up when you wanted super sharpness. In addition, as I mentioned (and was demonstrated in the video linked) in the other thread, this has huge implications for astrophotography. Canon has OWNED the astrophotography market for many years even though their cameras and sensors have been lapped by the competition... they are all people talk about in astrophotography. If Pentax builds the astrotrack capability into their camera (rumored for the K-3 II - and presumably the FF) AND they do this Bayer shift, astrophotographers will notice. It is a sizable market& a particularly important one with DSLR sales shrinking. I hope that the astrotracer function is upgraded to work with manual focus lenses based on the programed focal length. But, I doubt that they will. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't think it is much of a stretch to say that if you are interested in super-resolution you are already using a tripod, just as back in the day you used a tripod and shot with the mirror locked up when you wanted super sharpness. In addition, as I mentioned (and was demonstrated in the video linked) in the other thread, this has huge implications for astrophotography. Canon has OWNED the astrophotography market for many years even though their cameras and sensors have been lapped by the competition... they are all people talk about in astrophotography. If Pentax builds the astrotrack capability into their camera (rumored for the K-3 II - and presumably the FF) AND they do this Bayer shift, astrophotographers will notice. It is a sizable market & a particularly important one with DSLR sales shrinking. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > Well, yes, but both require multiple separate exposures, hand held that > would be "difficult". > > On 4/22/2015 9:21 AM, Bill wrote: >> >> On 22/04/2015 6:33 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that the Ricoh implementation needs a static subject and >>> a tripod as well. >> >> >> From what I've been able to find out, the Pentax version of pixel shifting >> works somewhat differently from Olympus. >> The Olympus moves the sensor to enable a 50mp file, the Pentax moves the >> sensor to give each pixel point benefit of all three colors, thereby >> improving color depth. >> >> bill >> > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/04/2015 7:39 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: Well, yes, but both require multiple separate exposures, hand held that would be "difficult". Hard to believe someone feels that this requires discussion. Buy a tripod if you don't have one, or don't turn on the feature. bill On 4/22/2015 9:21 AM, Bill wrote: On 22/04/2015 6:33 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: I'm pretty sure that the Ricoh implementation needs a static subject and a tripod as well. From what I've been able to find out, the Pentax version of pixel shifting works somewhat differently from Olympus. The Olympus moves the sensor to enable a 50mp file, the Pentax moves the sensor to give each pixel point benefit of all three colors, thereby improving color depth. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, yes, but both require multiple separate exposures, hand held that would be "difficult". On 4/22/2015 9:21 AM, Bill wrote: On 22/04/2015 6:33 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: I'm pretty sure that the Ricoh implementation needs a static subject and a tripod as well. From what I've been able to find out, the Pentax version of pixel shifting works somewhat differently from Olympus. The Olympus moves the sensor to enable a 50mp file, the Pentax moves the sensor to give each pixel point benefit of all three colors, thereby improving color depth. bill -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/04/2015 6:33 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: I'm pretty sure that the Ricoh implementation needs a static subject and a tripod as well. From what I've been able to find out, the Pentax version of pixel shifting works somewhat differently from Olympus. The Olympus moves the sensor to enable a 50mp file, the Pentax moves the sensor to give each pixel point benefit of all three colors, thereby improving color depth. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm pretty sure that the Ricoh implementation needs a static subject and a tripod as well. On 4/22/2015 5:27 AM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Malcolm Smith : Ralf R Radermacher wrote: ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. Built in GPS, that's good. No more pop up flash, for me, also good to lose the flash of last resort. I much prefer daylight even if the ISO has to be bumped up, but then use a dedicated flash/other lighting thereafter. Personally, I'd rather have the flash - useful for fill-in and I can add GPS co-ordinates in my image management software for those (few) times I want it. But I'm probably not in the market for this camera anyway Pixel shifting, now that's a tricky one. As I understood it, both the camera and whatever was being photographed had to remain still. Not a problem with the camera on the tripod, but what about the subject? Or has technology moved on again and this isn't the problem it was? Well, the Olympus implementation of this in the E-M5ii requires a tripod and static subject. I guess we'll have to see if Ricoh has any tricks up its sleeve. Not enough to swap from a K3 - although I might be tempted when they start selling the last ones at reduced prices ;-) I'm probably not really interested in anything Pentax at the moment, unless its a large sensor mirrorless with a viewfinder. Can't really see that happening. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Malcolm Smith : Ralf R Radermacher wrote: ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. Built in GPS, that's good. No more pop up flash, for me, also good to lose the flash of last resort. I much prefer daylight even if the ISO has to be bumped up, but then use a dedicated flash/other lighting thereafter. Personally, I'd rather have the flash - useful for fill-in and I can add GPS co-ordinates in my image management software for those (few) times I want it. But I'm probably not in the market for this camera anyway Pixel shifting, now that's a tricky one. As I understood it, both the camera and whatever was being photographed had to remain still. Not a problem with the camera on the tripod, but what about the subject? Or has technology moved on again and this isn't the problem it was? Well, the Olympus implementation of this in the E-M5ii requires a tripod and static subject. I guess we'll have to see if Ricoh has any tricks up its sleeve. Not enough to swap from a K3 - although I might be tempted when they start selling the last ones at reduced prices ;-) I'm probably not really interested in anything Pentax at the moment, unless its a large sensor mirrorless with a viewfinder. Can't really see that happening. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the > K-3 II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is > slowly dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. Built in GPS, that's good. No more pop up flash, for me, also good to lose the flash of last resort. I much prefer daylight even if the ISO has to be bumped up, but then use a dedicated flash/other lighting thereafter. Pixel shifting, now that's a tricky one. As I understood it, both the camera and whatever was being photographed had to remain still. Not a problem with the camera on the tripod, but what about the subject? Or has technology moved on again and this isn't the problem it was? Not enough to swap from a K3 - although I might be tempted when they start selling the last ones at reduced prices ;-) Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That was discussed back in the thread entitled "Wow. I think I nailed this one..." on 3/24. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:46 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/03/23/in-progress-ricoh-reveals-pixel-shifting-high-resolution-mode-coming-soon-t > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Had not seen that view before, so Pentax is putting the GPS module where the pop up flash used to be. On the other hand Canon removes the built in GPS from one of their models because no one cared. Honestly, I sometimes use the pop up flash, but I don't think I've ever missed having GPS, and if I needed it, an add on device that Pentax already makes seems like a pretty good option. On 4/21/2015 7:10 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:34 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I wonder what "Flash not equipped" means, no built in flash or something else, since there seems to be a flash deployment button on most of the leaked pictures... The button is now labeled "GPS" if the photos are accurate: http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Pentax-K-3-II-DSLR-camera-2.jpg -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree, Dario. I'm curious to see how much the FF camera varies from the flagship APS-C in size and form factor. Regardless of whether it is built upon the same casting and body type, I do expect it to have all of the functionality of the K-3 II but with the larger sensor. I think it may give up some FPS in burst mode though, but that is just a guess. It should surpass the K-3 sensor in dynamic range and high ISO performance. I think it is neat to see that they've finally built the O-GPS1 functionality into the camera (including AstroTrace) if the leaked specs are correct. I'd expect that in the full frame, as well. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Or they just needed some room for embedding the GPS electronics and removing > the flash fits just fine, with little engineeering work and no extra cost > for a different magnesium casting. > > Dario > > -Messaggio originale- From: Darren Addy > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:25 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K-3II announcement and new FA Limited primes coming... > > > The no-built in flash might be a tip-off to prepare the market that > the forthcoming FF Pentax won't have one either. Considered > unnecessary for "Pros" will probably be the line. > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> >> Am 22.04.15 um 00:09 schrieb Brian Walters: >> >>> ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." >> >> >> >> ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 >> II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly >> dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. >> >> Ralf >> >> -- >> Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany >> Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com >> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf >> Web : http://www.fotoralf.de >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > > -- > Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Or they just needed some room for embedding the GPS electronics and removing the flash fits just fine, with little engineeering work and no extra cost for a different magnesium casting. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Darren Addy Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:25 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-3II announcement and new FA Limited primes coming... The no-built in flash might be a tip-off to prepare the market that the forthcoming FF Pentax won't have one either. Considered unnecessary for "Pros" will probably be the line. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 22.04.15 um 00:09 schrieb Brian Walters: ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The no-built in flash might be a tip-off to prepare the market that the forthcoming FF Pentax won't have one either. Considered unnecessary for "Pros" will probably be the line. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Am 22.04.15 um 00:09 schrieb Brian Walters: > >> ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." > > > ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 > II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly > dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 22.04.15 um 00:09 schrieb Brian Walters: ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." ...and built-in GPS. Not enough to make me flog off my K-3 and buy the K-3 II but annoying just as well. The display of my Garmin portable is slowly dying and the clip-on GPS module for the K-3 is awfully big. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:34 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > I wonder what "Flash not equipped" means, no built in flash or something > else, since there seems to be a flash deployment button on most of the > leaked pictures... The button is now labeled "GPS" if the photos are accurate: http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Pentax-K-3-II-DSLR-camera-2.jpg -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P.J., I had exactly the same thought. And as for "Improved Anchimoare function", I'd like two of those! :-) It must be preparing pickled anchovies in a special Transilvanian brine: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moare Or it has something to do with some holistic ANCHI crystals http://anchicrystals.com/aboutanchi.html (And it might mean something more optical in Spanglish) Igor P.J. Alling Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:35:38 -0700 wrote: On 4/21/2015 6:09 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Darren Addy : According to asahi man on the Pentax SLR dpreview forums we may get the announcement on the K-3 II as early as Thursday. He also stated that the FA Limiteds have been out of production for over 2 years and that the U.S. is one of the few places that still has stock remaining. With the forthcoming FF Pentax he says "Of course Pentax will stay with the Limited Line,so we will see new Limiteds for Fullframe for sure. More later in the official news." But first, he says, will be the K-3 II announcement. According to the leaked specs here: http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-ii-full-specs-image-to-be-announced-april-23th/ ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." That could be interesting if it's anything like the high res mode of the Olympus E-M5 II The method is supposed to be pretty much that of Olympus. Though probably implemented differently. I wonder what "Flash not equipped" means, no built in flash or something else, since there seems to be a flash deployment button on most of the leaked pictures... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/21/2015 6:09 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Darren Addy : According to asahi man on the Pentax SLR dpreview forums we may get the announcement on the K-3 II as early as Thursday. He also stated that the FA Limiteds have been out of production for over 2 years and that the U.S. is one of the few places that still has stock remaining. With the forthcoming FF Pentax he says "Of course Pentax will stay with the Limited Line,so we will see new Limiteds for Fullframe for sure. More later in the official news." But first, he says, will be the K-3 II announcement. According to the leaked specs here: http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-ii-full-specs-image-to-be-announced-april-23th/ ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." That could be interesting if it's anything like the high res mode of the Olympus E-M5 II The method is supposed to be pretty much that of Olympus. Though probably implemented differently. I wonder what "Flash not equipped" means, no built in flash or something else, since there seems to be a flash deployment button on most of the leaked pictures... -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Darren Addy : According to asahi man on the Pentax SLR dpreview forums we may get the announcement on the K-3 II as early as Thursday. He also stated that the FA Limiteds have been out of production for over 2 years and that the U.S. is one of the few places that still has stock remaining. With the forthcoming FF Pentax he says "Of course Pentax will stay with the Limited Line,so we will see new Limiteds for Fullframe for sure. More later in the official news." But first, he says, will be the K-3 II announcement. According to the leaked specs here: http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-ii-full-specs-image-to-be-announced-april-23th/ ... it will have "The high-resolution image by pixel shifting." That could be interesting if it's anything like the high res mode of the Olympus E-M5 II. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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According to asahi man on the Pentax SLR dpreview forums we may get the announcement on the K-3 II as early as Thursday. He also stated that the FA Limiteds have been out of production for over 2 years and that the U.S. is one of the few places that still has stock remaining. With the forthcoming FF Pentax he says "Of course Pentax will stay with the Limited Line,so we will see new Limiteds for Fullframe for sure. More later in the official news." But first, he says, will be the K-3 II announcement. Darren -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
