Re: Kodak and the 645D sensor
Google Talent Keyhole. Optically these birds are the Hubble with the ability to swing from one target to another very quickly using 6 gyros with disk brakes. Pretty clever, The hubble uses the same tech to stay on a target for hours at a time. KH-xx uses heavy braking, Hubble a finesse braking technique. Equally important is the electronic intelligence (ELINT) housed in the add-on capabilities of the units. Photographically, sharp timely images of areas of interest in BW or color are being supplanted by full spectrum studies of targets. I really don't know any more than is on the internet about the technology in use today. My ex is still in the program, but of course, she can't talk to me like we did when we were both cleared at the same level. I am personally very jealous of her position. She left the company we used to work for, and now works for a company called T.A.S.C., The Analytical Sciences Corporation. Their task is to marry the future needs of various government organizations (military and non-military) at 5, 10, 15, and 25 years with the projected possible outcomes of research in all areas of endeavor. These reports dictate where the government's money is poured to in our attempts to stay ahead of everyone else. Could be a company, or a person, who is asked to follow up on previous or possible future outcomes in either their line of investigative research, or to take on the task of following a path in hopes of reaching a breakthrough discoveries. Universities are one of the major recipients of this largess, a side effect of which is access to the most brilliant young persons in many fields, who can be moulded into researchers working in fields that T.A.S.C. puts forth in hopes that something great will materialize to meet future needs, as well as manufacturers who may be capable of producing said products. I'm not presenting this well. I just got up, which makes typing lucid descriptive sentences rather difficult. My apologies. On Jan 9, 2012, at 20:11 , Doug Franklin wrote: On 2011-11-07 23:34, Joseph McAllister wrote: Kodak received gobs of money from the dark side USG to develop the CCD sensor for their Digital Imaging satellites, beginning with the K-11, built in 75/76, Launched in 77. I have one here somewhere in a box with my other treasures from the day. Incredibly fine CCDs, considering the resolution they provided for 9, then 5 film, where an image of a 20 mile wide swath would resolve a 1 foot item 190 miles below. The CCDs were only 1.5 inches long, three of them overlapped and combined digitally. —__— Black and white only. I have to wonder how much of that technology is still wrapped up in compartmentalized security (the step above Top/Most Secret, sometimes known as Codeword Classified). The optics as well as the electronics, the RF, the crypto, ... Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and The eyesight to tell the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Joseph McAllister I really don't know any more than is on the internet about the technology in use today. My ex is still in the program, but of course, she can't talk to me like we did when we were both cleared at the same level. I am personally very jealous of her position. She left the company we used to work for, and now works for a company called T.A.S.C., The Analytical Sciences Corporation. Their task is to marry the future needs of various government organizations (military and non-military) at 5, 10, 15, and 25 years with the projected possible outcomes of research in all areas of endeavor. I don't suppose you could give her a little nudge and tell her one of the ABSOLUTELY VITAL NEEDS for this country is improved reliability for my TWC-Roadrunner connection? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This subject line is fodder for great fantasies around which to spin rumors: Ricoh is in negotiations to buy Kodak, or their sensor business, so that they can get the 645D sensors at cost. This will enable them to drop the price of the 645D to $7,000. Meanwhile, they are working on developing the E-mount, a large diameter mount big enough for medium format, but with mirrorless registration distances. The first camera to come out will be the 645E, which will initially have two adapter modules, one for 645 mount lenses, and one for K mount. The adapter will have an integral SDM style motor that will drive a focusing screw. They are working on licensing agreements with a third party to develop adapters for other medium format and 35mm based SLR mounts, including pentax 6x7. Their hasselblad adapter will allow use of either the lenses internal shutter, or the camera's focal plane. The second body, in early stages of development, will be the 362E, a mirrorless 36x24mm sensor. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't forget that the 645E will be pocketable. Because, apparently, that is what sells cameras; if you can jam them into a pocket. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This subject line is fodder for great fantasies around which to spin rumors: Ricoh is in negotiations to buy Kodak, or their sensor business, so that they can get the 645D sensors at cost. This will enable them to drop the price of the 645D to $7,000. Meanwhile, they are working on developing the E-mount, a large diameter mount big enough for medium format, but with mirrorless registration distances. The first camera to come out will be the 645E, which will initially have two adapter modules, one for 645 mount lenses, and one for K mount. The adapter will have an integral SDM style motor that will drive a focusing screw. They are working on licensing agreements with a third party to develop adapters for other medium format and 35mm based SLR mounts, including pentax 6x7. Their hasselblad adapter will allow use of either the lenses internal shutter, or the camera's focal plane. The second body, in early stages of development, will be the 362E, a mirrorless 36x24mm sensor. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 10, 2012, at 2:23 PM, David Parsons wrote: Don't forget that the 645E will be pocketable. Because, apparently, that is what sells cameras; if you can jam them into a pocket. Only with big pockets, and the E-mount wide angle pancake lens. With the pancake lens, it'll be about the size of a paper back book with a DA40 stuck on the front, though that would not include the sun shade for the lens. What will help is that rather than having it's own display on the back, it will have special USB connections to IOS and Android phones and tablets. Tim, of course, can't say anything about this because he's under NDA, as they had to put special hooks into the Android OS to support some of the features. As a side benefit, it will have tremendous tethering functionality, and simple control functionality will be available via the smart phone over bluetooth. By doing so, they'll be able to reduce the cost of the unit, improve weather sealing, and provide a much better menu interface, because it'll use the touch screen features of the external devices. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This subject line is fodder for great fantasies around which to spin rumors: Ricoh is in negotiations to buy Kodak, or their sensor business, so that they can get the 645D sensors at cost. This will enable them to drop the price of the 645D to $7,000. Meanwhile, they are working on developing the E-mount, a large diameter mount big enough for medium format, but with mirrorless registration distances. The first camera to come out will be the 645E, which will initially have two adapter modules, one for 645 mount lenses, and one for K mount. The adapter will have an integral SDM style motor that will drive a focusing screw. They are working on licensing agreements with a third party to develop adapters for other medium format and 35mm based SLR mounts, including pentax 6x7. Their hasselblad adapter will allow use of either the lenses internal shutter, or the camera's focal plane. The second body, in early stages of development, will be the 362E, a mirrorless 36x24mm sensor. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Larry Colen This subject line is fodder for great fantasies around which to spin rumors: Ricoh is in negotiations to buy Kodak, or their sensor business, so that they can get the 645D sensors at cost. This will enable them to drop the price of the 645D to $7,000. Meanwhile, they are working on developing the E-mount, a large diameter mount big enough for medium format, but with mirrorless registration distances. The first camera to come out will be the 645E, which will initially have two adapter modules, one for 645 mount lenses, and one for K mount. The adapter will have an integral SDM style motor that will drive a focusing screw. They are working on licensing agreements with a third party to develop adapters for other medium format and 35mm based SLR mounts, including pentax 6x7. Their hasselblad adapter will allow use of either the lenses internal shutter, or the camera's focal plane. The second body, in early stages of development, will be the 362E, a mirrorless 36x24mm sensor. Just out of idle curiosity, have you heard this rumor or are you making this rumor up? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I made it up, but I think I did a pretty good job. Maybe if we spread it around enough someone at Ricoh will decide the idea has merit. I did hear the rumor of the mirrorless 645, so I used that as some of it. John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry Colen This subject line is fodder for great fantasies around which to spin rumors: Ricoh is in negotiations to buy Kodak, or their sensor business, so that they can get the 645D sensors at cost. This will enable them to drop the price of the 645D to $7,000. Meanwhile, they are working on developing the E-mount, a large diameter mount big enough for medium format, but with mirrorless registration distances. The first camera to come out will be the 645E, which will initially have two adapter modules, one for 645 mount lenses, and one for K mount. The adapter will have an integral SDM style motor that will drive a focusing screw. They are working on licensing agreements with a third party to develop adapters for other medium format and 35mm based SLR mounts, including pentax 6x7. Their hasselblad adapter will allow use of either the lenses internal shutter, or the camera's focal plane. The second body, in early stages of development, will be the 362E, a mirrorless 36x24mm sensor. Just out of idle curiosity, have you heard this rumor or are you making this rumor up? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Post it over at PF. It'll be on the front page within days. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid) l...@red4est.com wrote: I made it up, but I think I did a pretty good job. Maybe if we spread it around enough someone at Ricoh will decide the idea has merit. I did hear the rumor of the mirrorless 645, so I used that as some of it. John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Larry Colen This subject line is fodder for great fantasies around which to spin rumors: Ricoh is in negotiations to buy Kodak, or their sensor business, so that they can get the 645D sensors at cost. This will enable them to drop the price of the 645D to $7,000. Meanwhile, they are working on developing the E-mount, a large diameter mount big enough for medium format, but with mirrorless registration distances. The first camera to come out will be the 645E, which will initially have two adapter modules, one for 645 mount lenses, and one for K mount. The adapter will have an integral SDM style motor that will drive a focusing screw. They are working on licensing agreements with a third party to develop adapters for other medium format and 35mm based SLR mounts, including pentax 6x7. Their hasselblad adapter will allow use of either the lenses internal shutter, or the camera's focal plane. The second body, in early stages of development, will be the 362E, a mirrorless 36x24mm sensor. Just out of idle curiosity, have you heard this rumor or are you making this rumor up? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-11-07 23:34, Joseph McAllister wrote: Kodak received gobs of money from the dark side USG to develop the CCD sensor for their Digital Imaging satellites, beginning with the K-11, built in 75/76, Launched in 77. I have one here somewhere in a box with my other treasures from the day. Incredibly fine CCDs, considering the resolution they provided for 9, then 5 film, where an image of a 20 mile wide swath would resolve a 1 foot item 190 miles below. The CCDs were only 1.5 inches long, three of them overlapped and combined digitally. —__— Black and white only. I have to wonder how much of that technology is still wrapped up in compartmentalized security (the step above Top/Most Secret, sometimes known as Codeword Classified). The optics as well as the electronics, the RF, the crypto, ... -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Along similar lines, I've been reading a recent book by Bob Lutz - 'Car Guys vs Bean Counters' in which he outlines issues that he says led to the down fall of GM. His main theme is that its time to stop the dominance of the number crunchers, and give the reins to the 'product guys' - those with vision passion for the customer and their product or services. A great read for me as I've lived thru the same issues at Ford that he talks about at GM - his take is very insightful. BTW - I met Bob Lutz when he was at Ford - he has an overwhelming presence and can dominant any meeting he is attending. He is a true Car Guy. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Kodak and the 645D sensor On 11/8/2011 1:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com From the press release: Kodak has previously communicated that it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company. Because, you know, digital image sensors aren't central to a company that's involved in digital imaging. They didn't say they wanted to be a sustainable digital imaging company. They merely want to be a sustainable DIGITAL company. Big difference there. :-) My money says the won't qualify as either sustainable or digital before long. It's now been a day since I read the article. It seems to me the bean counters are basically throwing in the towel. Due to poor management, market conditions, or a combination of circumstances, they'd rather get the cold hard cash for the assets than attempt to grow the assets. And the desperation to stay alive involves selling patents. The firm buying the Image Sensor Solutions business will likely continue to employ workers as they would have no expertise outside of that. Maybe they can make or keep that business profitable? What Kodak's focus as a product line will be is puzzling though if they're essentially throwing RD overboard. Even though they will 'continue to have' access to the image sensor technology involved in this transaction for use in its own products, it's hard to understand the relationship. Once the business is sold, would they have access to future technology not involved in this transaction? I would think likely not. So it all seems like a dead end street. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/8/2011 1:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com From the press release: Kodak has previously communicated that it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company. Because, you know, digital image sensors aren't central to a company that's involved in digital imaging. They didn't say they wanted to be a sustainable digital imaging company. They merely want to be a sustainable DIGITAL company. Big difference there. :-) My money says the won't qualify as either sustainable or digital before long. It's now been a day since I read the article. It seems to me the bean counters are basically throwing in the towel. Due to poor management, market conditions, or a combination of circumstances, they'd rather get the cold hard cash for the assets than attempt to grow the assets. And the desperation to stay alive involves selling patents. The firm buying the Image Sensor Solutions business will likely continue to employ workers as they would have no expertise outside of that. Maybe they can make or keep that business profitable? What Kodak's focus as a product line will be is puzzling though if they're essentially throwing RD overboard. Even though they will 'continue to have' access to the image sensor technology involved in this transaction for use in its own products, it's hard to understand the relationship. Once the business is sold, would they have access to future technology not involved in this transaction? I would think likely not. So it all seems like a dead end street. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: In other words: Kodak takes a stiff shot of whiskey, then climbs into a hotel bathtub and cuts out one of its own kidneys. ?It's tricky, since they've amputated their fingers and toes over the last decade. I'm thinking that it's probably a good thing for Pentax that Kodak has sold off the sensor division: Less worry about the sensor division not being able to provide sensors for the 645D now. I dunno. That Platinum Equity company sounds more like vulture capitalism than venture to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tom C wrote: It's now been a day since I read the article. It seems to me the bean counters are basically throwing in the towel. Due to poor management, market conditions, or a combination of circumstances, they'd rather get the cold hard cash for the assets than attempt to grow the assets. And the desperation to stay alive involves selling patents. Sounds about right. The firm buying the Image Sensor Solutions business will likely continue to employ workers as they would have no expertise outside of that. Maybe they can make or keep that business profitable? Here's what I heard today from my friend who works there: We were sold to a company called Platinum Equities on Monday. Most people in our division are happy about getting away from Kodak. Though being with a new company there are a lot of unknowns. BTW, he made a typo: The company that bought them is Platinum Equity (Platinum Equities is a Canadian real estate investment company). My opinion is that Pentax is better off buying its sensors from a company that isn't part of Kodak. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: Incredibly fine CCDs, considering the resolution they provided for 9, then 5 film, where an image of a 20 mile wide swath would resolve a 1 foot item 190 miles below. You're not about to disappear now, I hope... Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, now I am sure about that point on the stock price. http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/chart?symbol=EK.N Stock price rises 6% today on the news is an example of how statistics are like bikinis: What they show you is revealing, but what they hide is VITAL. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska I wonder how many retired boomers hold/held this stock figuring it to be essentially blue-chip quality? Yet more proof that nothing is assured long-term. Sad. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In other words: Kodak takes a stiff shot of whiskey, then climbs into a hotel bathtub and cuts out one of its own kidneys. It's tricky, since they've amputated their fingers and toes over the last decade. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:25 PM Subject: Kodak and the 645D sensor Kodak has just sold their digital sensor division (who make the sensor for the 645D) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-eastmankodak-idUSTRE7A70872008 http://betanews.com/2011/11/07/kodak-sells-off-its-ccd-image-sensor-business-to-private-equity-firm/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kodak-sells-image-sensor-business-to-platinum-equity-2011-11-07 I have a friend who works for Kodak in the sensor division in Rochester. I'll try to contact him and see if he can shed any light on the subject (so to speak). -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: My first digital camera in 1995 was a Kodak DC-40. Couldn't afford Apple's QuickTake camera at the time. Mine was the DC25 i bought in 1997. I think it held 16 internal 640x480 file sand a 2 meg card was $280 at the time. Used it to document flaws and dents in gas pipelines through out Canada, and quickly send to the client. They thought i was a genius, but anyone who has met me at GFM knows better.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kodak's history is pretty long. George Eastman understood what he had as a company in 1912. He was an early, silent benefactor of MIT. http://museum.mit.edu/150/72 Kodak's stock was a bluechip for a long time, but nothing lasts forever! 100 years is a pretty good run! Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, now I am sure about that point on the stock price. http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/chart?symbol=EK.N Stock price rises 6% today on the news is an example of how statistics are like bikinis: What they show you is revealing, but what they hide is VITAL. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska I wonder how many retired boomers hold/held this stock figuring it to be essentially blue-chip quality? Yet more proof that nothing is assured long-term. Sad. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: In other words: Kodak takes a stiff shot of whiskey, then climbs into a hotel bathtub and cuts out one of its own kidneys. It's tricky, since they've amputated their fingers and toes over the last decade. I'm thinking that it's probably a good thing for Pentax that Kodak has sold off the sensor division: Less worry about the sensor division not being able to provide sensors for the 645D now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And if you want to worry about somebody, how about Olympus! Can they survive this latest scandal. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, now I am sure about that point on the stock price. http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/chart?symbol=EK.N Stock price rises 6% today on the news is an example of how statistics are like bikinis: What they show you is revealing, but what they hide is VITAL. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska I wonder how many retired boomers hold/held this stock figuring it to be essentially blue-chip quality? Yet more proof that nothing is assured long-term. Sad. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stock price rises 6% today Woo hoo! A buck nineteen a share! It's over a dollar now! From the press release: Kodak has previously communicated that it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company. Because, you know, digital image sensors aren't central to a company that's involved in digital imaging. I note that the buyer, Platinum Equity is a global MAO® firm specializing in the merger, acquisition and operation of companies that provide services and solutions to customers in a broad range of business markets, which probably means that it will sell the division to someone else before long. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: And if you want to worry about somebody, how about Olympus! Can they survive this latest scandal. Judging by today's news Olympus could be soon be at such a low point that they could be bought *by* Kodak! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com From the press release: Kodak has previously communicated that it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company. Because, you know, digital image sensors aren't central to a company that's involved in digital imaging. They didn't say they wanted to be a sustainable digital imaging company. They merely want to be a sustainable DIGITAL company. Big difference there. :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak and the 645D sensor
On Nov 8, 2011, at 07:44 , Mark Roberts wrote: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: In other words: Kodak takes a stiff shot of whiskey, then climbs into a hotel bathtub and cuts out one of its own kidneys. It's tricky, since they've amputated their fingers and toes over the last decade. I'm thinking that it's probably a good thing for Pentax that Kodak has sold off the sensor division: Less worry about the sensor division not being able to provide sensors for the 645D now. Selling, schmelling. Just a transfer of title. The same crew getting the same pay will report to work as usual making the same sensors in the same building, because the USA needs someone to be able to provide these sensors, and ones we know nothing of, without involving other countries. Kodak stated that it's sensor division was profitable. So my thinking is if it is shopped out to some other entity, that holding company would make a few bucks. I would hope, for their sake, that EK would sell off enough other assets to be able to buy the sensor division back after a period of time. If not, there are a dozen companies who are dealing on a large scale making substrates that might be interested in branching out. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.” -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com From the press release: Kodak has previously communicated that it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company. Because, you know, digital image sensors aren't central to a company that's involved in digital imaging. They didn't say they wanted to be a sustainable digital imaging company. They merely want to be a sustainable DIGITAL company. Big difference there. :-) My money says the won't qualify as either sustainable or digital before long. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/8/2011 1:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com From the press release: Kodak has previously communicated that it would sell assets that are not central to its transformation to a profitable, sustainable digital company. Because, you know, digital image sensors aren't central to a company that's involved in digital imaging. They didn't say they wanted to be a sustainable digital imaging company. They merely want to be a sustainable DIGITAL company. Big difference there. :-) My money says the won't qualify as either sustainable or digital before long. I find that to be very sad, but most likely true. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Because, you know, digital image sensors aren't central to a company that's involved in digital imaging. At least we still have Plus-X. Wait, what... chirp Shit. -- Scott Loveless Camp Hill, PA USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Kodak and the 645D sensor
Kodak has just sold their digital sensor division (who make the sensor for the 645D) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-eastmankodak-idUSTRE7A70872008 http://betanews.com/2011/11/07/kodak-sells-off-its-ccd-image-sensor-business-to-private-equity-firm/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kodak-sells-image-sensor-business-to-platinum-equity-2011-11-07 I have a friend who works for Kodak in the sensor division in Rochester. I'll try to contact him and see if he can shed any light on the subject (so to speak). -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak and the 645D sensor
Well don't that beat all. Kodak spends the last 10 years or so trying to become a force in digital imaging to the neglect of all other aspects of it's business then sells one of it's flagship digital imaging divisions. To top that it's stock goes up 6%. The stock market is crazy. Kodak is still being run by idiots. On 11/7/2011 8:25 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Kodak has just sold their digital sensor division (who make the sensor for the 645D) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-eastmankodak-idUSTRE7A70872008 http://betanews.com/2011/11/07/kodak-sells-off-its-ccd-image-sensor-business-to-private-equity-firm/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kodak-sells-image-sensor-business-to-platinum-equity-2011-11-07 I have a friend who works for Kodak in the sensor division in Rochester. I'll try to contact him and see if he can shed any light on the subject (so to speak). -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak and the 645D sensor
IMHO, Kodak's stock probably rose because this is an indication that they are making solid moves to avoid bankruptcy... possibly positioning themselves for a takeover instead. Kodak shares plummeted when they retained a law firm that specializes in handling bankruptcies. A 6% rise today is probably still off from where they were a couple short months ago (not positive about that point). Oct. 4: http://seekingalpha.com/article/297392-bankruptcy-or-buyout-for-kodak Oct. 5: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/kodak-bankruptcy-rumors_n_997118.html Oct. 16: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-16/kodak-licenses-movie-projection-patents-to-imax-as-solvency-issues-mount.html Oct. 31: http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1031/Bankruptcy-threat-pushes-Kodak-to-ditch-patents-endangering-websites Sale of sensor division: Nov. 7: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-eastmankodak-idUSTRE7A70872008 Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kodak is the new Polaroid. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, now I am sure about that point on the stock price. http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/chart?symbol=EK.N Stock price rises 6% today on the news is an example of how statistics are like bikinis: What they show you is revealing, but what they hide is VITAL. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak and the 645D sensor
On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Darren Addy wrote: IMHO, Kodak's stock probably rose because this is an indication that they are making solid moves to avoid bankruptcy... possibly positioning themselves for a takeover instead. Kodak shares plummeted when they retained a law firm that specializes in handling bankruptcies. A 6% rise today is probably still off from where they were a couple short months ago (not positive about that point). I've seen a handful of news stories in the past few months that were highlighting the size of Kodak's patent portfolio, and I decided that meant they were trying to offer themselves for sale. But I could be wrong :) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak and the 645D sensor
Kodak received gobs of money from the dark side USG to develop the CCD sensor for their Digital Imaging satellites, beginning with the K-11, built in 75/76, Launched in 77. I have one here somewhere in a box with my other treasures from the day. Incredibly fine CCDs, considering the resolution they provided for 9, then 5 film, where an image of a 20 mile wide swath would resolve a 1 foot item 190 miles below. The CCDs were only 1.5 inches long, three of them overlapped and combined digitally. —__— Black and white only. My first digital camera in 1995 was a Kodak DC-40. Couldn't afford Apple's QuickTake camera at the time. The DC-40 sported a 0.38 megapixel, 756x504 CCD sensor, 4Mb of internal flash memory storage with a fixed 37mm equiv. lens. To enable remote flash, I rigged flash sensor to the camera so it's internal flash would trigger the externals. Used a custom ND filter over the cameras flash (several layers of typing paper cut to size. Doubtful I have any of the images from that little grey box. Too many hard drive failures ago. I used it to take photos of hundreds of pieces of camera gear I was selling on eBay. I DO still have the camera, and could take some more. Anybody? My second digital camera was also a Kodak. An LS-443. It sucked too. In testing, my cheap Korean Pocket DVR took better images. For one thing, the Kodak had pretty bad distortion. A pole near the edge of the frame would take on a painful bow from top to bottom. Threw that baby in the trash the second time it failed. On Nov 7, 2011, at 17:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Well don't that beat all. Kodak spends the last 10 years or so trying to become a force in digital imaging to the neglect of all other aspects of it's business then sells one of it's flagship digital imaging divisions. To top that it's stock goes up 6%. The stock market is crazy. Kodak is still being run by idiots. On 11/7/2011 8:25 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Kodak has just sold their digital sensor division (who make the sensor for the 645D) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-eastmankodak-idUSTRE7A70872008 http://betanews.com/2011/11/07/kodak-sells-off-its-ccd-image-sensor-business-to-private-equity-firm/ http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kodak-sells-image-sensor-business-to-platinum-equity-2011-11-07 I have a friend who works for Kodak in the sensor division in Rochester. I'll try to contact him and see if he can shed any light on the subject (so to speak). Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com I couldn't remember most of what I know today if it weren't for others sharing their knowledge of my past on the Internet. Thank you… -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
