Re: New 67-frugality

2003-02-18 Thread Matt Greene
 > >Some of us are just poor.  I'd have to take out a
> loan to outfit myself
> >with the kit above.
> 
> Hey, I have to take out a loan just to exist before
> I even get to the 
> point of taking out a loan to cover buying photo
> gear! Messy divorce you 
> see (con't on p. 94)...
> 
> Cotty
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 The "kit" I suggested took me five (5) years to
acquire. 
The PZ1p @ $800 right off, the f/2.8 70-200 another 19
months of saving for it, the f/2.8 28-70 saving for 5
months plus a slice of an income tax refund. 
 
Matt
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Re: New 67-frugality

2003-02-18 Thread Peter Alling
At least some of us are under-employed.

At 02:08 PM 2/18/2003 -0600, you wrote:

> What makes us so frugal?


We're all unemployed?

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Re: New 67-frugality

2003-02-18 Thread Cotty
>> Are you kidding me?
>>
>> Have these guys are dripping in Leicas and weighed down by 645s 67s and
>> goodness-only-knows-what.
>>
>> I'd say the Pentax user is a discerning individual
>
>Some of us are just poor.  I'd have to take out a loan to outfit myself
>with the kit above.

Hey, I have to take out a loan just to exist before I even get to the 
point of taking out a loan to cover buying photo gear! Messy divorce you 
see (con't on p. 94)...

Cotty


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Re: New 67-frugality

2003-02-18 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Cotty said:

> >One other observation, strictly mine, mind you: are
> >PDML members just frugal, or not so wealthy? There is
> >a lot of talk about how much this or that costs.
> >
> >You could easily outfit yourself with a top-notch 35mm
> >camera (PZ1pprofessionalrofesssional" lenses (F/2.8
> >28-70/F/2.8 70-200) and a "professional" flash for
> >what one (1) serious digital SLR body (sans lens)
> >costs other fans of other makes.
> >*And no talk about the PZ1ps' auto focusd"
> >autofocus. With F/2.8 or faster lenses, the PZ1p makes
> >shot for shot what the others do. Won boardFT500FTZ
> >onboard, the PZ1p makes short work of weddings and
> >other candid shots.
> >
> >What makes us so frugal?
>
> !!
>
> Are you kidding me?
>
> Have these guys are dripping in Leicas and weighed down by 645s 67s and
> goodness-only-knows-what.
>
> I'd say the Pentax user is a discerning individual

Some of us are just poor.  I'd have to take out a loan to outfit myself
with the kit above.




Re: New 67-frugality

2003-02-18 Thread Matt Greene

--- Pål_Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sylwester wrote:
> 
> > And what would you say if all new KAF3 patents
> including IS and USM drives
> > would be engineered exlusively for new 67 AF???
> :-)
> 
> There's one problem with this interpretation: the 67
> doesn't use K-mount!
> Anyway, my guess is that the67 has experienced the
> same fate as the K1000; it may be discontinued
> because it simply is too expensive to manufacture.
> The 67 stems from a 1968 construction and its
> internal bits and pieces and it chassis design are
> probably not optimal with current production methods
> and materials. Also, the camera, and not at least
> lenses, are basically beyond their commercial
> lifespan. By this I mean that many of the lenses
> have been so long in production and so abundant on
> the used market, that selling new ones is getting
> harder and harder. Here in Norway, I've seen some of
> the more common 67 lenses at used prices around
> 2000-3000Nkr, while their new prices are
> 1-15000Nkr. I usually buy all my equipment new,
> but if was to buy into the 67 system I obviously
> would check the used market. I believe many do just
> that. 
> I believe the whole 67 system may be completely
> exhausted as a commercial venture; Pentax need to
> supply reason for the consumer to update. 
> Hence, I see the news of a new 67 as likely provided
> Pentax would want to continue with the system at
> all. New lenses and a completely new body would give
> the reasons both new customers would need and old
> customers would need to upgrade. Obviously a new
> body may be built of modern lightweight materials,
> like magnesium, and be designed for low weight and
> small size from ground up. The same goes for the
> lenses. Although some thinks that AF for 67 is a
> waste, I disagree and find it just as useful, if nor
> more due to the limited DOF, as for the 645 format.
> The latter has been a huge sucess in AF form. Also,
> since mostly only nearsighted boring old farts use
> the 67 systems anyway, AF would help a lot for
> focusing :o)
> 
> All of the above is just speculations with probably
> no bearing on reality whatsoever. 
> 
> 
> Pål 
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An acute, if premature observation. 
Bury the 67 indeed! Nothing, nothing shouts PENTAX AND
"professional" like the 67 class! It may be the most
recognizable of the 6 x 7 class worldwide. The other 6
x 7s look like cookie cutter replicas of each other or
are hulking monsters.
Updates? Sure, but not the oblivion of discontinuance.
 

One other observation, strictly mine, mind you: are
PDML members just frugal, or not so wealthy? There is
a lot of talk about how much this or that costs. 

You could easily outfit yourself with a top-notch 35mm
camera (PZ1pprofessionalrofesssional" lenses (F/2.8
28-70/F/2.8 70-200) and a "professional" flash for
what one (1) serious digital SLR body (sans lens)
costs other fans of other makes.
*And no talk about the PZ1ps' auto focusd"
autofocus. With F/2.8 or faster lenses, the PZ1p makes
shot for shot what the others do. Won boardFT500FTZ
onboard, the PZ1p makes short work of weddings and
other candid shots. 

What makes us so frugal?



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