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Maybe he's a friend of JT LeRoy...:-) Jostein - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you think this guy actually has a psychopathic/identity problem or does he get his kicks this way? He told me one time when he was berating me offlist (I probably deserved it) that all sorts of authours write under pseudonym. I believe he mentioned Hemingway specifically. William Robb
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-Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe that there was a thread with the wonderful subject line Lobbing hand-grenades over the transom. Perhaps it was Throwing, not lobbing. But the thread title has stuck with me for a number of years, at least three -- gotta go look it up. I think Mafud was the major contributor to that one. If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person... Bob
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Bob W wrote: If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person... I joined the list sometime around April, 2001 so I just missed the Mafud era. After reading the above, I'm almost sorry I missed it! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
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- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) I joined the list sometime around April, 2001 so I just missed the Mafud era. After reading the above, I'm almost sorry I missed it! :-) He was fun for a while. Push this button and see what happens was the game I enjoyed. After it got predictable, it got boring. William Robb
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Didn't Brad Dodo join in somewhere to, but I believe he was replying to his own posts... Norm From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person...
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If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person... Wow. I remember Mafud but somehow I missed those exchanges entirely. I read the list in those days on Pentax's web site. Maybe Pentax censored that stuff. What a pity. I suppose the archive has gone to the digital aether. Joe
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Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe
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I remember Mafud and got some friendly off-list emails from him at one stage. But from Brad Dobo I got promises of bodily harm (that included the loss of all my teeth) in response to a diplomatic (and kindly I thought) suggestion that he seek help. I have a feeling I was not the only one threatened with mayhem. Don Joseph Tainter wrote: If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person... Wow. I remember Mafud but somehow I missed those exchanges entirely. I read the list in those days on Pentax's web site. Maybe Pentax censored that stuff. What a pity. I suppose the archive has gone to the digital aether. Joe -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616
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OH MY GOD THAT THREAD HAS DEFINITIVE PROOF. Thank you for sharing it, Joe. -Aaron On May 18, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe
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Join the crowd...what a whack job. I do remember the look on TV's face, at GFM, when I introduced myself to him as Brad Dodo - it was rather frightening. Norm From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember Mafud and got some friendly off-list emails from him at one stage. But from Brad Dobo I got promises of bodily harm (that included the loss of all my teeth) in response to a diplomatic (and kindly I thought) suggestion that he seek help. I have a feeling I was not the only one threatened with mayhem.
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Wow, Wow, Wow!!! Thanks for the laugh! Tom C. From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:46:44 -0700 Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe
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Wow... That's every bit as manic as I remember Mafud. Jostein - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe
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On May 18, 2006, at 12:57 PM, Norman Baugher wrote: Join the crowd...what a whack job. I do remember the look on TV's face, at GFM, when I introduced myself to him as Brad Dodo - it was rather frightening. Oh, brilliant! Wish I had thought of that. -Aaron
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Actually, Bill Robb is Kirkland Ramsay, Mafud and Matt Grene. He denies it vociferously, of course, but those in the know have been aware of it for a long time. Other list members have assumed alter egos as well. Cotty once took on the persona of a lunatic school teacher from London, Ontario. He eventually tired of it. Paul -- Original message -- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person... Wow. I remember Mafud but somehow I missed those exchanges entirely. I read the list in those days on Pentax's web site. Maybe Pentax censored that stuff. What a pity. I suppose the archive has gone to the digital aether. Joe
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Actually, Bill Robb is Kirkland Ramsay, Mafud and Matt Grene. He denies it vociferously, of course, but those in the know have been aware of it for a long time. Other list members have assumed alter egos as well. Cotty once took on the persona of a lunatic school teacher from London, Ontario. He eventually tired of it. Paul -- Original message -- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person... Wow. I remember Mafud but somehow I missed those exchanges entirely. I read the list in those days on Pentax's web site. Maybe Pentax censored that stuff. What a pity. I suppose the archive has gone to the digital aether. Joe
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- Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Yup. Pseudo Mafud. Fer sure. I wonder if he'd remember me. William Robb
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Actually, Bill Robb is Kirkland Ramsay, Mafud and Matt Grene. And The Who, too. Fred
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Norman Baugher wrote: Join the crowd...what a whack job. I do remember the look on TV's face, at GFM, when I introduced myself to him as Brad Dodo - it was rather frightening. Ah yes, one of the classic Norm Baugher incidents! (I wish I had been there to watch.)
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Nice to see that Bruce Rubenstein put in an appearance in that thread too. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2006 17:57 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) OH MY GOD THAT THREAD HAS DEFINITIVE PROOF. Thank you for sharing it, Joe. -Aaron On May 18, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe
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Bob W wrote: If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person... Here's my record of Mafud's incarnations: Suda Mafud ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kirkland Ramsey M. T. Greene Matt Greene ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ed ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Note that for the last one he changed his name but forgot to change the email address associated with it :) The Listmeister tells me he re-subbed a few more times under different names but only made one or two posts under each one.
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On Thu, 18 May 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty once took on the persona of a lunatic school teacher from London, Ontario. He eventually tired of it. Umm, make a search for 'discombobulation' in: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Cotty? Kostas
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Bob W wrote: Nice to see that Bruce Rubenstein put in an appearance in that thread too. Oh, I'd forgotten about him. Some of my favorite Rubenstein quotes: Thinking that Pentax will start selling an up to date DSLR, when they've sold nothing more than simple PS digital cameras, is pure fantasy. It isn't that Pentax will use some new lens mount on an interchangeable DSLR, they aren't going to release an interchangeable lens DSLR. They missed their window of opportunity and have passed on making this type of product. By the time that Pentax would ever start selling an IL-DSLR, anyone who wanted digital will have been long gone. I have no idea why anyone seriously thought, as opposed to wished, that Pentax would sell a DSLR. People who have a need for digital have, and will, find other solutions. And this last gem: I don't expect any major, or long term, effect on the Pentax used equipment market. Wonder what he'd pay for my MZ-S now? g
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But nowhere near as well-informed. Mafud may have been an opinionated loudmouth with absolutely no tolerance for dissenting opinions, and an extreme ability to see insults and racial slurs where none was intended, but he wasn't an ignoramus. On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:11:18PM +0200, Jostein wrote: Wow... That's every bit as manic as I remember Mafud. Jostein - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe
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I don't know. I'd bet money this was the same guy, especially since at one point in the thread there was reference to a web gallery by Ed Greene with photos in it attributed to Suda Mafud. And subsequent to that being pointed out, the gallery was removed. He was an ignoramus... at times. The other option could be that this is Son of Mafud. Tom C. From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:05:46 -0400 But nowhere near as well-informed. Mafud may have been an opinionated loudmouth with absolutely no tolerance for dissenting opinions, and an extreme ability to see insults and racial slurs where none was intended, but he wasn't an ignoramus. On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:11:18PM +0200, Jostein wrote: Wow... That's every bit as manic as I remember Mafud. Jostein - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe
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Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: Yup. Pseudo Mafud. Fer sure. I wonder if he'd remember me. William Robb Do you think this guy actually has a psychopathic/identity problem or does he get his kicks this way? Tom C.
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I liked Bruce. He was an ornery old bastard with a great turn of phrase. He probably felt crowded out... -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2006 21:03 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Bob W wrote: Nice to see that Bruce Rubenstein put in an appearance in that thread too. Oh, I'd forgotten about him. Some of my favorite Rubenstein quotes: Thinking that Pentax will start selling an up to date DSLR, when they've sold nothing more than simple PS digital cameras, is pure fantasy. It isn't that Pentax will use some new lens mount on an interchangeable DSLR, they aren't going to release an interchangeable lens DSLR. They missed their window of opportunity and have passed on making this type of product. By the time that Pentax would ever start selling an IL-DSLR, anyone who wanted digital will have been long gone. I have no idea why anyone seriously thought, as opposed to wished, that Pentax would sell a DSLR. People who have a need for digital have, and will, find other solutions. And this last gem: I don't expect any major, or long term, effect on the Pentax used equipment market. Wonder what he'd pay for my MZ-S now? g
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- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: Do you think this guy actually has a psychopathic/identity problem or does he get his kicks this way? He told me one time when he was berating me offlist (I probably deserved it) that all sorts of authours write under pseudonym. I believe he mentioned Hemingway specifically. William Robb
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Wow, Wow, Wow!!! Thanks for the laugh! Tom C. From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:46:44 -0700 Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwmtag= Joe -- Oh, there's more. Get the full name here. Must be a distinguished ancestry. Unfortunately the AOL link is dead: http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=44325 But you can sponsor him for a Photo.Net membership. Joe
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-Original Message- From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So that's the next week on this thread, the Reader's Digest Condensed version, without the profanity. Can we just skip it now? most of us have been hanging around long enough that we have finally discussed everything several times, and know each other's opinions about every subject under the sun. At worst, we can probably predict them just by going to the same shelf that the rest of them came from. Except for mine, naturally, because I have rethought everything from first principles and am therefore right. Almost. I have never contributed to a thread about batteries, so nobody knows my opinions about batteries. Not even me. Maybe I don't even have one. Opinion, that is. Obviously I have plenty of batteries. So, to short-circuit further long, involved and ultimately pointless threads, somebody needs to trawl the archives and set up a database of subjects and opinions, cross-referred to people or simply categorized (pinko, fascist, God-botherer, Satan-worshipping atheist liberal, philistine, aesthete, cat-lover etc.). Doug's hosting software need only scan incoming messages for controversial content, generate the appropriate war and post it automatically to a separate archive for all to enjoy - newbies, people with short memories or who lived through the 60s, unfortunates who stumble across an ancient controversy in a Google cached page, and so on. Replies would never show up on the list and nobody would be any the wiser (an increase in wisdom not being a requirement anyway). Obviously such a database could only be hosted on Windows, because Macs are crap for that sort of thing. As any fule kno. Hope this helps. Bob http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/
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On May 17, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Bob W wrote: So, to short-circuit further long, involved and ultimately pointless threads, somebody needs to trawl the archives and set up a database of subjects and opinions, cross-referred to people or simply categorized (pinko, fascist, God-botherer, Satan-worshipping atheist liberal, philistine, aesthete, cat-lover etc.). I believe that there was a thread with the wonderful subject line Lobbing hand-grenades over the transom. Perhaps it was Throwing, not lobbing. But the thread title has stuck with me for a number of years, at least three -- gotta go look it up. Anyways, I recall that it was one of the most useless threads in the history of the PDML. -Aaron
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On 17 May 2006 at 17:50, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On May 17, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Bob W wrote: So, to short-circuit further long, involved and ultimately pointless threads, somebody needs to trawl the archives and set up a database of subjects and opinions, cross-referred to people or simply categorized (pinko, fascist, God-botherer, Satan-worshipping atheist liberal, philistine, aesthete, cat-lover etc.). I believe that there was a thread with the wonderful subject line Lobbing hand-grenades over the transom. Perhaps it was Throwing, not lobbing. But the thread title has stuck with me for a number of years, at least three -- gotta go look it up. Hand grenades over the transom. Was: A message to the American citizens Nov 2000 Anyways, I recall that it was one of the most useless threads in the history of the PDML. It was a Kirkl*nd R*msey thread and very education from a behavioral perspective :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:/home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Good sleuthin', Rob! Plus, I remember it was the tipoff that KR and Mafud were one and the same -- he used the phrase again in January '01. -Aaron -Original Message- It was a Kirkl*nd R*msey thread and very education from a behavioral perspective :-)
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- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) I believe that there was a thread with the wonderful subject line Lobbing hand-grenades over the transom. Perhaps it was Throwing, not lobbing. But the thread title has stuck with me for a number of years, at least three -- gotta go look it up. I think Mafud was the major contributor to that one. William Robb
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In a message dated 5/17/2006 4:21:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyways, I recall that it was one of the most useless threads in the history of the PDML. It was a Kirkl*nd R*msey thread and very education from a behavioral perspective :-) Rob Studdert = Drat. Here I thought the thread I started on Tom Cruise being weird and the reason he is weird was due to Scientology was the most useless PDML thread so far. Double drat. Marnie aka Doe ;-)
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In a message dated 5/17/2006 2:50:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: most of us have been hanging around long enough that we have finally discussed everything several times, and know each other's opinions about every subject under the sun. At worst, we can probably predict them just by going to the same shelf that the rest of them came from. Except for mine, naturally, because I have rethought everything from first principles and am therefore right. Almost. I have never contributed to a thread about batteries, so nobody knows my opinions about batteries. Not even me. Maybe I don't even have one. Opinion, that is. Obviously I have plenty of batteries. So, to short-circuit further long, involved and ultimately pointless threads, somebody needs to trawl the archives and set up a database of subjects and opinions, cross-referred to people or simply categorized (pinko, fascist, God-botherer, Satan-worshipping atheist liberal, philistine, aesthete, cat-lover etc.). Doug's hosting software need only scan incoming messages for controversial content, generate the appropriate war and post it automatically to a separate archive for all to enjoy - newbies, people with short memories or who lived through the 60s, unfortunates who stumble across an ancient controversy in a Google cached page, and so on. Replies would never show up on the list and nobody would be any the wiser (an increase in wisdom not being a requirement anyway). Obviously such a database could only be hosted on Windows, because Macs are crap for that sort of thing. As any fule kno. Hope this helps. Bob http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ = LOL. Best laugh I've had all week. Marnie aka Doe
