Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-08-02 Thread David Mann
On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Since John brought it up, I'll use the original hijacked thread to
 note today's Google Doodle.

I think they're doing a new Olympic-themed doodle every day at the moment.  I'm 
getting a table tennis one right now.

Dave


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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-08-02 Thread John Sessoms

From: David Mann


On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:


Since John brought it up, I'll use the original hijacked thread to
note today's Google Doodle.


I think they're doing a new Olympic-themed doodle every day at the moment.  I'm 
getting a table tennis one right now.

Dave


I only meant to point out that by coincidence, hockey happened to be 
that day's doodle.


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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-08-02 Thread David Mann
On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:13 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: David Mann
 
 I think they're doing a new Olympic-themed doodle every day at the moment.  
 I'm getting a table tennis one right now.
 
 Dave
 
 I only meant to point out that by coincidence, hockey happened to be that 
 day's doodle.


Yes I felt a little red-faced about 2 minutes after I'd posted that...

Dave



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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-08-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
Since John brought it up, I'll use the original hijacked thread to
note today's Google Doodle.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:17 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Of course, hockey - I mean ice hockey - is huge here. When I was a kid it 
 was cold enough that we played organized hockey at outdoor rink with natural 
 ice. I don't think I played in an arena with artificial ice until my third 
 season for a playoff game.

 When we weren't playing organized hockey we played pickup games or shinny 
 (as scrub is to baseball) on backyard rinks.

 I didn't even know there was field hockey or grass hockey until I was about 
 ten years old. I seem to recall during an Olympic Games (likely Mexico in 
 '68) hearing them talk of hockey, and my father explaining that in much of 
 the world hockey (no modifier) was on grass and ice hockey was what we 
 played.

 I decided to look up hockey in wikipedia and see which is older and was 
 surprised by the range of games called hockey.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey

 Some years back I learned snorkeling in my attempt to play underwater hockey:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_hockey




 We feel that any game where a backhand shot is illegal, where there's no 
 bodychecking and where there are no fist fights couldn't possibly be hockey 
 as we know it. Besides, there were no guys named Jean-Guy, Jacques or Henri. 
 Whatever they were playing on that big green field wasn't anything we were 
 familiar with!

 Mind you this was a time when there were exactly two American players in the 
 entire National Hockey League; all the rest were Canadian. It would be 
 another fifteen years before the first Europeans came here to play in the 
 premier professional league in the world. And when the first Russians came 
 here they had to defect, just like ballet dancers.

 With ice hockey so popular outside our borders these days, it's easy to 
 forget that up to a couple of decades ago it really was a largely North 
 American thing.

 Cheers,
 frank



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 From: Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com
 Sent: July 29, 2012 7/29/12
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

 On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the
 third world and girl's prep schools.  I was thinking mostly of North
 America, Europe and Russia.

 Well obviously a nation needs to be reasonably affluent to support a
 sport that is alien to its its climate, which requires artificial
 rinks with powerful refrigeration to overcome relatively high ambient
 temperatures even in winter.  But you call many of these nations
 third world at the risk of being labeled a cultural imperialist.

 Hockey is massive in the Asian sub-continent, and is strongly
 entrenched in Western Europe.  Naturally, ice hockey is more strongly
 followed in Northern and Eastern Europe and North America, where the
 culture of snow and ice sports is strongest, and barely represented in
 Central Africa, Equatorial America and South East Asia where there is
 practically no culture of winter at all.  But the people who follow
 these sports are equal citizens of the world, and are due absolutely
 no more or less consideration or respect because of their homelands'
 place in the world or the hue of their flesh.  Shame on anyone who
 would think otherwise.

 regards, Anthony

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
I've hurled many times on St. Patricks Day.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 31 July 2012 05:52, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rockne looks him in the eye and says 'You want me to give a bunch of
 Irishmen clubs and
 have them play field hockey?'

 He'd obviously never seen Hurling.
 regards, Anthony

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:17 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Of course, hockey - I mean ice hockey - is huge here. When I was a kid it 
 was cold enough that we played organized hockey at outdoor rink with natural 
 ice. I don't think I played in an arena with artificial ice until my third 
 season for a playoff game.
 
 When we weren't playing organized hockey we played pickup games or shinny 
 (as scrub is to baseball) on backyard rinks.
 
 I didn't even know there was field hockey or grass hockey until I was about 
 ten years old. I seem to recall during an Olympic Games (likely Mexico in 
 '68) hearing them talk of hockey, and my father explaining that in much of 
 the world hockey (no modifier) was on grass and ice hockey was what we 
 played.

I decided to look up hockey in wikipedia and see which is older and was 
surprised by the range of games called hockey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey

Some years back I learned snorkeling in my attempt to play underwater hockey:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_hockey



 
 We feel that any game where a backhand shot is illegal, where there's no 
 bodychecking and where there are no fist fights couldn't possibly be hockey 
 as we know it. Besides, there were no guys named Jean-Guy, Jacques or Henri. 
 Whatever they were playing on that big green field wasn't anything we were 
 familiar with!
 
 Mind you this was a time when there were exactly two American players in the 
 entire National Hockey League; all the rest were Canadian. It would be 
 another fifteen years before the first Europeans came here to play in the 
 premier professional league in the world. And when the first Russians came 
 here they had to defect, just like ballet dancers.
 
 With ice hockey so popular outside our borders these days, it's easy to 
 forget that up to a couple of decades ago it really was a largely North 
 American thing.
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 
 
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 Christopher Hitchens
 
 --- Original Message ---
 
 From: Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com
 Sent: July 29, 2012 7/29/12
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012
 
 On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the
 third world and girl's prep schools.  I was thinking mostly of North
 America, Europe and Russia.
 
 Well obviously a nation needs to be reasonably affluent to support a
 sport that is alien to its its climate, which requires artificial
 rinks with powerful refrigeration to overcome relatively high ambient
 temperatures even in winter.  But you call many of these nations
 third world at the risk of being labeled a cultural imperialist.
 
 Hockey is massive in the Asian sub-continent, and is strongly
 entrenched in Western Europe.  Naturally, ice hockey is more strongly
 followed in Northern and Eastern Europe and North America, where the
 culture of snow and ice sports is strongest, and barely represented in
 Central Africa, Equatorial America and South East Asia where there is
 practically no culture of winter at all.  But the people who follow
 these sports are equal citizens of the world, and are due absolutely
 no more or less consideration or respect because of their homelands'
 place in the world or the hue of their flesh.  Shame on anyone who
 would think otherwise.
 
 regards, Anthony
 
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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jul 29, 2012, at 17:21 , Anthony Farr wrote:

 Our round ball footballers play soccer, but I have to concede
 that soccer, more than any other code of football, has the precedence
 of popularity to claim the name Football.


True dat.

In our version played in the USA, any part of the player can touch the 
'pigskin' as it was once called. It is carried in the hands, thrown with the 
hands, caught with the hands. Kicking just get's the game rolling, or when any 
of the above do not provide a team with the desired result.

In the game of 'Football' as played elsewhere, action is confined to the foot 
and bean. Your other appendages are only used for pushing, tripping, and 
blacking the eyes of opponents.

Ice Hockey has become a gang war with some bit of attention played to the 
scoring of goals with their oversized Field Hockey sticks.

People who play Field Hockey grow up to play field Polo if they can afford a 
good horse. 

Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players hands and feet 
are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a little ball around when 
someone can find it.


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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

 Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players hands and 
 feet are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a little ball around 
 when someone can find it.

Forgot to say Water Polo is played by those who do not have a horse.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:22 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

 
 On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote:
 
 Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players hands and 
 feet are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a little ball around 
 when someone can find it.
 
 Forgot to say Water Polo is played by those who do not have a horse.

Or ice.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread David Mann
On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay 
 attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will get 
 mentioned on NPR.

Well after yesterdays match it might not be Australia :D

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting David Mann dmann...@gmail.com:


On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to  
pay attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm  
sure it will get mentioned on NPR.


Well after yesterdays match it might not be Australia :D



Yawn.


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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Water polo is a lot more exciting that soccer-football.
Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:22 , Joseph McAllister wrote:


 On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

 Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players hands and 
 feet are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a little ball around 
 when someone can find it.

 Forgot to say Water Polo is played by those who do not have a horse.

 Or ice.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
LOL!
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 On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay
 attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will get
 mentioned on NPR.

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RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Joseph McAllister
 
 
 On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:22 , Joseph McAllister wrote:
 
 
  On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote:
 
  Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players
 hands and feet are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a
 little ball around when someone can find it.
 
  Forgot to say Water Polo is played by those who do not have a horse.
 
 Or ice.
 

Ice polo would be a fun game. With cows instead of horses.

B


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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread John Sessoms

FWIW, I meant the one on ice and was just being sarky.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Bob Sullivan
I love the old movie where the President of Notre Dame University
suggests to the legendary
football coach Knute Rockne that 'perhaps football is to violent a
game for the students to play.'
Rockne looks him in the eye and says 'You want me to give a bunch of
Irishmen clubs and
have them play field hockey?'  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.


On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Joseph McAllister


 On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:22 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

 
  On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote:
 
  Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players
 hands and feet are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a
 little ball around when someone can find it.
 
  Forgot to say Water Polo is played by those who do not have a horse.

 Or ice.


 Ice polo would be a fun game. With cows instead of horses.

 B


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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Anthony Farr
On 31 July 2012 05:52, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rockne looks him in the eye and says 'You want me to give a bunch of
 Irishmen clubs and
 have them play field hockey?'

He'd obviously never seen Hurling.
regards, Anthony

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Joseph McAllister
In keeping with the British distain for acts of enthusiasm, Cotty wrote:

On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:26 , Steve Cottrell wrote:

 On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening
 Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England
 
 It was pretty good!
 
 Cheers,
  Cotty

What he neglected to say was the Brits enjoyed it, the Queen was in her best 
form jumping from a copter with Bond, the corgis stole the show almost as much 
as the incredible show of technical theater (theatre) in the round. Lump in 
throat seeing the single forged ring raised to join the other four to form the 
Olympic symbol, though I would have liked it if they turned to the colors of 
said symbol as they cooled, vis raining down a shower of rain forest-like 
fire. Another touch was the half ring of the beam engine stopping, restarting 
as a full ring (good latches, I suppose). And of course - Pink Floyd - barely 
heard over the din. Paul is getting old, did a pretty good job of getting the 
locals very excited. 

The most beautiful part for me was that the entire thing was accompanied by a 
fantastic female percussionist, backed by a thousand inverted trash cans of 
various sizes beat upon with a hundred varieties of stick and mallet. Awesome!

Neat torch…
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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Sadly I couldn't watch the whole ceremony but I saw quite a bit. It
was most spectacular in terms of being a wonderful show. The last
thing I saw was the burning Olympic circles in the sky, which was
probably the only connection with the Olymics I could notice
throughout that portion that I saw.

Other than that, it was a very good boasting of English people before
practically the whole world... One piece was missing though, but I
suppose it is going to be missing forever.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 In keeping with the British distain for acts of enthusiasm, Cotty wrote:

 On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:26 , Steve Cottrell wrote:

 On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

 In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening
 Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England

 It was pretty good!

 Cheers,
  Cotty

 What he neglected to say was the Brits enjoyed it, the Queen was in her best 
 form jumping from a copter with Bond, the corgis stole the show almost as 
 much as the incredible show of technical theater (theatre) in the round. Lump 
 in throat seeing the single forged ring raised to join the other four to form 
 the Olympic symbol, though I would have liked it if they turned to the colors 
 of said symbol as they cooled, vis raining down a shower of rain 
 forest-like fire. Another touch was the half ring of the beam engine 
 stopping, restarting as a full ring (good latches, I suppose). And of course 
 - Pink Floyd - barely heard over the din. Paul is getting old, did a pretty 
 good job of getting the locals very excited.

 The most beautiful part for me was that the entire thing was accompanied by a 
 fantastic female percussionist, backed by a thousand inverted trash cans of 
 various sizes beat upon with a hundred varieties of stick and mallet. Awesome!

 Neat torch…
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RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Bob W
it was a fanfare for the common man, deeply socialist, mutualist  still
individualist, all in the best possible way. Where the Chinese faked it
because they thought their little girl with the best voice wasn't pretty
enough, we put sick children at the centre of it, and the idea of a
community that takes care of each member (this is a bit idealistic, of
course). I thught it was a superb, confident celebration of ordinary people
and the peculiar way we do a sort of socialism here. And there were strokes
of genius in it, such as the construction workers' guard of honour, the
military flag raising, and the olympians handing the flame on to the young
unknowns.

I thought it was great that he avoided most of the synchronised bombastic
nonsense that this sort of thing usually involves. Of course it's the nature
of these things to be selective, so there was nothing about the evils of
Empire etc., but that's only to be expected in the circumstances.

B

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 In keeping with the British distain for acts of enthusiasm, Cotty
 wrote:
 
 On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:26 , Steve Cottrell wrote:
 
  On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening
  Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England
 
  It was pretty good!
 
  Cheers,
   Cotty
 
 What he neglected to say was the Brits enjoyed it, the Queen was in her
 best form jumping from a copter with Bond, the corgis stole the show
 almost as much as the incredible show of technical theater (theatre) in
 the round. Lump in throat seeing the single forged ring raised to join
 the other four to form the Olympic symbol, though I would have liked it
 if they turned to the colors of said symbol as they cooled, vis
 raining down a shower of rain forest-like fire. Another touch was the
 half ring of the beam engine stopping, restarting as a full ring (good
 latches, I suppose). And of course - Pink Floyd - barely heard over the
 din. Paul is getting old, did a pretty good job of getting the locals
 very excited.
 
 The most beautiful part for me was that the entire thing was
 accompanied by a fantastic female percussionist, backed by a thousand
 inverted trash cans of various sizes beat upon with a hundred varieties
 of stick and mallet. Awesome!
 
 Neat torch.
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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread John Sessoms

From: steve harley


on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote

Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the 
Olympics.


the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal

course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the tellie it
was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for thinking
their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other stuff
by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring runs in
volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable ? and
i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though


I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay 
attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will 
get mentioned on NPR.


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RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
hockey? umm, that would be the winter games

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From: steve harley

 on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote
 Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the
Olympics.

 the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal

 course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the tellie
it
 was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for thinking
 their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other
stuff
 by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring runs
in
 volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable ?
and
 i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

 the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though

I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay 
attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will 
get mentioned on NPR.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
No, that would be ice hockey.
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 hockey? umm, that would be the winter games

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 Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

 From: steve harley

 on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote
 Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the
 Olympics.

 the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal

 course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the tellie
 it
 was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for thinking
 their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other
 stuff
 by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring runs
 in
 volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable ?
 and
 i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

 the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though

 I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay
 attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will
 get mentioned on NPR.

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RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
no, your hockey would be field hockey.
too technical!

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No, that would be ice hockey.
Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 hockey? umm, that would be the winter games

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 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

 From: steve harley

 on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote
 Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the
 Olympics.

 the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty
normal

 course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the tellie
 it
 was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for thinking
 their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other
 stuff
 by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring runs
 in
 volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable
?
 and
 i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

 the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though

 I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay
 attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will
 get mentioned on NPR.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 07:32, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 no, your hockey would be field hockey.
 too technical!


Here's the homepage of the International Hockey Federation:
http://www.fih.ch/en/home

Here's the homepage of the International Ice Hockey Federation:
http://www.iihf.com/

These are the peak bodies of their sports, and that is what they call
themselves.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread John Sessoms

Use the right bait and you'll hook 'em every time.  ;-D

From: Daniel J. Matyola

No, that would be ice hockey.
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

hockey? umm, that would be the winter games

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From: steve harley


on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote

Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the

Olympics.


the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal

course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the tellie

it

was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for thinking
their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other

stuff

by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring runs

in

volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable ?

and

i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though


I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay
attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will
get mentioned on NPR.



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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's what we call field hockey.  At least in North America, Hockey
means ice hockey and the modifier goes with the other one.  Ah, the
wonders of cultural diversity.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 Use the right bait and you'll hook 'em every time.  ;-D

 From: Daniel J. Matyola

 No, that would be ice hockey.
 Dan Matyola
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 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

 hockey? umm, that would be the winter games

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 Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

 From: steve harley

 on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote

 Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and
 the

 Olympics.


 the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty
 normal

 course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the
 tellie

 it

 was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for
 thinking
 their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other

 stuff

 by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring
 runs

 in

 volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable
 ?

 and

 i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

 the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though


 I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay
 attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will
 get mentioned on NPR.



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RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
are you trying to say the hockey with the ball isnt commonly known as field
hockey and the hockey with the puck isn't commonly known as hockey? here in
the USA they are. The international names arent the same as the usa
conventions.

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On 30 July 2012 07:32, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 no, your hockey would be field hockey.
 too technical!


Here's the homepage of the International Hockey Federation:
http://www.fih.ch/en/home

Here's the homepage of the International Ice Hockey Federation:
http://www.iihf.com/

These are the peak bodies of their sports, and that is what they call
themselves.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 09:58, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 The international names arent the same as the usa
 conventions.

You are right, they aren't.  There's the whole wide world, and there's
the USA, which isn't the whole world.  The tail doesn't wag the dog.

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RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
America rules! ;)

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On 30 July 2012 09:58, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 The international names arent the same as the usa
 conventions.

You are right, they aren't.  There's the whole wide world, and there's
the USA, which isn't the whole world.  The tail doesn't wag the dog.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
To clarify my outlook on this, my own country has some quaint local
naming conventions for things that are internationally known by other
names.  Our round ball footballers play soccer, but I have to concede
that soccer, more than any other code of football, has the precedence
of popularity to claim the name Football.

If an Aussie says he likes to wear thongs in hot weather, look at his
feet and not his trousers.  Even so, we are amusedly aware that it is
we who are out of step with the world.  There's my point, you need to
be aware of when it's you who is out of step, and not claim that the
world is out of step with you.

regards, Anthony



On 30 July 2012 10:01, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 30 July 2012 09:58, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 The international names arent the same as the usa
 conventions.

 You are right, they aren't.  There's the whole wide world, and there's
 the USA, which isn't the whole world.  The tail doesn't wag the dog.

 regards, Anthony

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Steven Desjardins
Simply local conventions, no right or wrong.  In this case, however, I
think we can include Canada in the NA hockey and football conventions.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 To clarify my outlook on this, my own country has some quaint local
 naming conventions for things that are internationally known by other
 names.  Our round ball footballers play soccer, but I have to concede
 that soccer, more than any other code of football, has the precedence
 of popularity to claim the name Football.

 If an Aussie says he likes to wear thongs in hot weather, look at his
 feet and not his trousers.  Even so, we are amusedly aware that it is
 we who are out of step with the world.  There's my point, you need to
 be aware of when it's you who is out of step, and not claim that the
 world is out of step with you.

 regards, Anthony



 On 30 July 2012 10:01, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 30 July 2012 09:58, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 The international names arent the same as the usa
 conventions.

 You are right, they aren't.  There's the whole wide world, and there's
 the USA, which isn't the whole world.  The tail doesn't wag the dog.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
True, but even in the Olympics, Ice Hockey is a much bigger sport than
Field Hockey.
Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 30 July 2012 09:58, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 The international names arent the same as the usa
 conventions.

 You are right, they aren't.  There's the whole wide world, and there's
 the USA, which isn't the whole world.  The tail doesn't wag the dog.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 10:46, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 True, but even in the Olympics, Ice Hockey is a much bigger sport than
 Field Hockey.

Hmm.  You really should look that up.  You may be surprised.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the
third world and girl's prep schools.  I was thinking mostly of North
America, Europe and Russia.
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 30 July 2012 10:46, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 True, but even in the Olympics, Ice Hockey is a much bigger sport than
 Field Hockey.

 Hmm.  You really should look that up.  You may be surprised.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the
 third world and girl's prep schools.  I was thinking mostly of North
 America, Europe and Russia.

Well obviously a nation needs to be reasonably affluent to support a
sport that is alien to its its climate, which requires artificial
rinks with powerful refrigeration to overcome relatively high ambient
temperatures even in winter.  But you call many of these nations
third world at the risk of being labeled a cultural imperialist.

Hockey is massive in the Asian sub-continent, and is strongly
entrenched in Western Europe.  Naturally, ice hockey is more strongly
followed in Northern and Eastern Europe and North America, where the
culture of snow and ice sports is strongest, and barely represented in
Central Africa, Equatorial America and South East Asia where there is
practically no culture of winter at all.  But the people who follow
these sports are equal citizens of the world, and are due absolutely
no more or less consideration or respect because of their homelands'
place in the world or the hue of their flesh.  Shame on anyone who
would think otherwise.

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Of course, hockey - I mean ice hockey - is huge here. When I was a kid it was 
cold enough that we played organized hockey at outdoor rink with natural ice. I 
don't think I played in an arena with artificial ice until my third season for 
a playoff game.

When we weren't playing organized hockey we played pickup games or shinny (as 
scrub is to baseball) on backyard rinks.

I didn't even know there was field hockey or grass hockey until I was about ten 
years old. I seem to recall during an Olympic Games (likely Mexico in '68) 
hearing them talk of hockey, and my father explaining that in much of the 
world hockey (no modifier) was on grass and ice hockey was what we played.

We feel that any game where a backhand shot is illegal, where there's no 
bodychecking and where there are no fist fights couldn't possibly be hockey as 
we know it. Besides, there were no guys named Jean-Guy, Jacques or Henri. 
Whatever they were playing on that big green field wasn't anything we were 
familiar with!

Mind you this was a time when there were exactly two American players in the 
entire National Hockey League; all the rest were Canadian. It would be another 
fifteen years before the first Europeans came here to play in the premier 
professional league in the world. And when the first Russians came here they 
had to defect, just like ballet dancers.

With ice hockey so popular outside our borders these days, it's easy to forget 
that up to a couple of decades ago it really was a largely North American thing.

Cheers,
frank



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Christopher Hitchens

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On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the
 third world and girl's prep schools.  I was thinking mostly of North
 America, Europe and Russia.

Well obviously a nation needs to be reasonably affluent to support a
sport that is alien to its its climate, which requires artificial
rinks with powerful refrigeration to overcome relatively high ambient
temperatures even in winter.  But you call many of these nations
third world at the risk of being labeled a cultural imperialist.

Hockey is massive in the Asian sub-continent, and is strongly
entrenched in Western Europe.  Naturally, ice hockey is more strongly
followed in Northern and Eastern Europe and North America, where the
culture of snow and ice sports is strongest, and barely represented in
Central Africa, Equatorial America and South East Asia where there is
practically no culture of winter at all.  But the people who follow
these sports are equal citizens of the world, and are due absolutely
no more or less consideration or respect because of their homelands'
place in the world or the hue of their flesh.  Shame on anyone who
would think otherwise.

regards, Anthony

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:


That's what we call field hockey.  At least in North America, Hockey
means ice hockey and the modifier goes with the other one.  Ah, the
wonders of cultural diversity.



Yep.

Down here, the concept of playing hockey on ice would be a mystery to  
most people, so 'hockey' with no modifier, is what's played on grass




Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Use the right bait and you'll hook 'em every time.  ;-D

From: Daniel J. Matyola


No, that would be ice hockey.
Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:


hockey? umm, that would be the winter games

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Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

From: steve harley


on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote


Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and
the


Olympics.



the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty
normal

course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the
tellie


it


was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for
thinking
their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other


stuff


by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring
runs


in


volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable
?


and


i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though



I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay
attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will
get mentioned on NPR.






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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Boris Liberman
As far as my memory goes, we had 'hockey with puck' and 'hockey on 
grass' back when I was a kid...



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On July 30, 2012 2:58:08 AM Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:

Quoting Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:

 That's what we call field hockey.  At least in North America, Hockey
 means ice hockey and the modifier goes with the other one.  Ah, the
 wonders of cultural diversity.


Yep.

Down here, the concept of playing hockey on ice would be a mystery to
most people, so 'hockey' with no modifier, is what's played on grass



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Brian

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 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 Use the right bait and you'll hook 'em every time.  ;-D

 From: Daniel J. Matyola

 No, that would be ice hockey.
 Dan Matyola
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 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

 hockey? umm, that would be the winter games

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 Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

 From: steve harley

 on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote

 Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and
 the

 Olympics.


 the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty
 normal

 course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the
 tellie

 it

 was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for
 thinking
 their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other

 stuff

 by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring
 runs

 in

 volleyball and basketball ? and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable
 ?

 and

 i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance

 the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though


 I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay
 attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will
 get mentioned on NPR.




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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-28 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening
Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England

It was pretty good!

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-28 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I thought the opening ceremony was too long, too slow, and just plain
boring.  Mr Bean was the hit of the evening, as far as I could tell.
Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening
Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England

 It was pretty good!

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-28 Thread kwaller
Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the 
Olympics.


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Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012



I thought the opening ceremony was too long, too slow, and just plain
boring.  Mr Bean was the hit of the evening, as far as I could tell.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv 
wrote:

On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:


In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening
Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England


It was pretty good!

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-28 Thread steve harley

on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote

Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the 
Olympics.


the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal

course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the tellie it 
was already stale on twitter and other sources; shame on NBC for thinking 
their whole audience is stuck in the 1980s; NBC also been ruining other stuff 
by doing cuts between commercials that leave out some of the scoring runs in 
volleyball and basketball … and the Tim Berners-Lee gaffe was abominable … and 
i had to go to Youtube to find the full Sex Pistols performance


the bike race this morning was covered pretty well though






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OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-26 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Everyone:

In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening Ceremonies of 
the 2012 Olympics held in London, England.  Since I'm a member of an 
international photography community, I wanted to say a few things.

Firstly, to all the UK PDMLers, those I've met and those I haven't, I wish you 
all a great Olympics.

Secondly, I want to wish all the athletes from all the countries represented on 
the PDML great games!  

So see everyone at the Olympics!

Cheers, Christine 



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