Re: OT: So much for LBA
Hello Larry, Sorry to hear about the change. I hope you land on your feet quickly. In regards to how to price this kind of thing: I have found that it works best to offer a flat rate for the entire event providing a disk of images for them. The reason I say this is if you rely on people ordering shots, that can be very hit or miss. You might still make the offer to allow people to order pictures directly from a website so the event coordinators don't have to deal with that aspect. But at least you would get paid a guaranteed amount even if photo order were minimal. I would be looking at a flat rate for the event but base it on the expected number of hours. You will have to take into account how much they would be willing to pay for such a thing. Having shot some of these kinds of things I would expect them to be looking at around $500 for the event. You would have to decide if it is worth your time. At this moment, you might be more willing to take a little less to get the job. I wish you well. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 9:44:42 PM, you wrote: LC On May 25, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Sorry to hear this Larry. You were asking earlier about what to charge for some party/ celebration shots. General rule of thumb for the self-employed: charge twice what you would earn per hour if regularly employed. E.g., if you are earning (or could be earning) $40/hr then charge $80/hr. The 100% increase accounts for the fact that you have to pay your own SS tax, health care etc. that you might get with a company. Plus you won't work as many hours per year, you need to spend time doing marketing etc. Look at your salary where you were recently employed. Was that enough to live on? Apply the 100% rule-of-thumb and use that as a starting point when consider what you should charge to your photography clients. (Or if you have an offer of employment as a consultant.) LC I'm well aware of the consulting/perm pay ratio. Somehow I don't LC think I could start off charging double my rate as a software engineer LC with 25 years of experience for photography. However, I am a lot more LC motivated to get the job if they do call me back. Best of luck in landing your next job. LC Thanks. I've got a couple of leads, and a little money in the bank. LC I've got a little while before it's time to panic. LC rlc stan On May 25, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. LC -- LC Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
On 26 May 2010 13:03, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I'm laid off again. There's too much of that happening. I hope that you and employment are reunited soon, Larry. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
Thanks to everyone for the suggestions, advice and good wishes. I'll be doing my best to keep this an opportunity, rather than a crisis. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
On 26/05/2010, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I'll be doing my best to keep this an opportunity, rather than a crisis. Sounds like a good mode of attack, glad to hear that it won't create immediate financial stress, that can make things rather grim. Good luck though I'm sure you probably don't need it if you're projecting a good attitude. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
On 25 May 2010 23:03, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Now's when you need to apply that positive energy your brimming with, Larry. Stay strong, --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
;-( Dave On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
Best wishes Larry. --Sasha On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: ;-( Dave On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
same here, good luck larry! 2010/5/27 Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com: Best wishes Larry. --Sasha On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: ;-( Dave On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
Yeah, good luck. It's got to be hell on the nerves. -Original Message- From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:38:11 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: So much for LBA Best wishes Larry. --Sasha On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: ;-( Dave On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: So much for LBA
Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
Sorry to hear this Larry. You were asking earlier about what to charge for some party/celebration shots. General rule of thumb for the self-employed: charge twice what you would earn per hour if regularly employed. E.g., if you are earning (or could be earning) $40/hr then charge $80/hr. The 100% increase accounts for the fact that you have to pay your own SS tax, health care etc. that you might get with a company. Plus you won't work as many hours per year, you need to spend time doing marketing etc. Look at your salary where you were recently employed. Was that enough to live on? Apply the 100% rule-of-thumb and use that as a starting point when consider what you should charge to your photography clients. (Or if you have an offer of employment as a consultant.) Best of luck in landing your next job. stan On May 25, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
On May 25, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Sorry to hear this Larry. You were asking earlier about what to charge for some party/ celebration shots. General rule of thumb for the self-employed: charge twice what you would earn per hour if regularly employed. E.g., if you are earning (or could be earning) $40/hr then charge $80/hr. The 100% increase accounts for the fact that you have to pay your own SS tax, health care etc. that you might get with a company. Plus you won't work as many hours per year, you need to spend time doing marketing etc. Look at your salary where you were recently employed. Was that enough to live on? Apply the 100% rule-of-thumb and use that as a starting point when consider what you should charge to your photography clients. (Or if you have an offer of employment as a consultant.) I'm well aware of the consulting/perm pay ratio. Somehow I don't think I could start off charging double my rate as a software engineer with 25 years of experience for photography. However, I am a lot more motivated to get the job if they do call me back. Best of luck in landing your next job. Thanks. I've got a couple of leads, and a little money in the bank. I've got a little while before it's time to panic. rlc stan On May 25, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: So much for LBA
That sucks, Larry. *sigh* Boris On 5/26/2010 6:03 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Short form: The company didn't get some contracts that they were counting on, as of 6:00 PM tonight, I'm laid off again. Oh well. I contacted the other place I was interviewing at when I took the job. We'll see how things play out. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
