Re: OT - Turn reply into a new thread using Gmail

2010-05-21 Thread mike wilson
On 20 May 2010 20:19, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 1.   Click Reply.
 2.   Copy the contents.
 3.   Discard the message. You'll be returned to the thread.
 4.   Hover the pointer over Pentax-Discuss at the top of any PDML
 message and a box will pop up.
 5.   Click on Email and you'll get a brand new message to compose,
 already addressed to p...@pdml.net.

Nope.  Comes up with the personal email.  PDML is invisible.

 6.   Paste the contents from the discarded reply, to be quoted and
 replied to as is your wont.
 7.   Give the message a brand new name in the subject field.  Viola,
 a new thread is born.

 Now I hope to Gawd that this works as I predict.  I've done this
 before, and it has always happened as I described.  The only
 spanner-in-the-works will be if Google has changed something under the
 hood in Gmail.

It's not Gmail, it's my ISP's wemail interface, powered by Google.
Which presumably means some locked-down version of Gmail.  Thanks for
trying but I'll just have to suffer in silence.  Which is not
suffering for the rest of you.

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OT - Turn reply into a new thread using Gmail

2010-05-20 Thread Anthony Farr
1.   Click Reply.
2.   Copy the contents.
3.   Discard the message. You'll be returned to the thread.
4.   Hover the pointer over Pentax-Discuss at the top of any PDML
message and a box will pop up.
5.   Click on Email and you'll get a brand new message to compose,
already addressed to p...@pdml.net.
6.   Paste the contents from the discarded reply, to be quoted and
replied to as is your wont.
7.   Give the message a brand new name in the subject field.  Viola,
a new thread is born.

Now I hope to Gawd that this works as I predict.  I've done this
before, and it has always happened as I described.  The only
spanner-in-the-works will be if Google has changed something under the
hood in Gmail.

regards, Anthony

   Of what use is lens and light
to those who lack in mind and sight
   (Anon)



On 20 May 2010 17:57, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 On 19 May 2010 19:57, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 just noticed this buried in the Chicago thread (i use a true threaded mail
 reader, so if you use reply to post something on a new topic, it will
 still get threaded with whatever you reply to)

 hijack
 My ISP has recently changed its webmail interface to one powered by
 Google that does this.  With no apparent way of turning it off.  What
 a load of regurgitated garbage it is.  Not to mention that there is no
 way to put newest messages at the bottom.  How stupid is that?  The
 new interface works much more quickly than the previous one but, as it
 is irredemiably broken as far as I am concerned, I will be using it
 much less.  For which you may raise thanks to your deity
 /hijack

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Re: OT - Turn reply into a new thread using Gmail

2010-05-20 Thread eckinator
Wouldn't it be enough to just click first reply and then edit subject?
Cheers
Ecke

2010/5/20 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com:
 1.   Click Reply.
 2.   Copy the contents.
 3.   Discard the message. You'll be returned to the thread.
 4.   Hover the pointer over Pentax-Discuss at the top of any PDML
 message and a box will pop up.
 5.   Click on Email and you'll get a brand new message to compose,
 already addressed to p...@pdml.net.
 6.   Paste the contents from the discarded reply, to be quoted and
 replied to as is your wont.
 7.   Give the message a brand new name in the subject field.  Viola,
 a new thread is born.

 Now I hope to Gawd that this works as I predict.  I've done this
 before, and it has always happened as I described.  The only
 spanner-in-the-works will be if Google has changed something under the
 hood in Gmail.

 regards, Anthony

   Of what use is lens and light
    to those who lack in mind and sight
                                               (Anon)



 On 20 May 2010 17:57, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 On 19 May 2010 19:57, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 just noticed this buried in the Chicago thread (i use a true threaded mail
 reader, so if you use reply to post something on a new topic, it will
 still get threaded with whatever you reply to)

 hijack
 My ISP has recently changed its webmail interface to one powered by
 Google that does this.  With no apparent way of turning it off.  What
 a load of regurgitated garbage it is.  Not to mention that there is no
 way to put newest messages at the bottom.  How stupid is that?  The
 new interface works much more quickly than the previous one but, as it
 is irredemiably broken as far as I am concerned, I will be using it
 much less.  For which you may raise thanks to your deity
 /hijack

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Re: OT - Turn reply into a new thread using Gmail

2010-05-20 Thread Anthony Farr
On 21 May 2010 05:23, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wouldn't it be enough to just click first reply and then edit subject?


I don't believe so.  Gmail will add headers to any reply within a
thread, that will lock it into the thread even if you edit the subject
field.  The way I describe will give you a completely virginal message
suitable to begin a new thread, as has occurred in this example.
regards, Anthony

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to those who lack in mind and sight
   (Anon)

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Re: OT - Turn reply into a new thread using Gmail

2010-05-20 Thread steve harley

On 2010-05-20 13:23 , eckinator wrote:

Wouldn't it be enough to just click first reply and then edit subject?


how gmail handles the threads is byzantine; i've tested it several 
times, and in today's test if i change the subject in a reply in another 
client, gmail will treat it as a new conversation despite the proper 
threading headers; if i change the subject while replying from within 
gmail, it is considered part of the same conversation in gmail, but will 
be sent without the threading headers so other clients will see it as a 
new thread (and the same may be true when a mailing list sends your 
email back to you)


gmail aside, the standard in any email client is that replies, whether 
the subject is changed or not, will be threaded; there are good reasons 
to change a subject line during a thread; the fact that most people 
don't use threaded email clients, or that gmail has decided (for all of 
us) that conversations are better than threads, doesn't matter; to start 
a new thread, create a new blank email



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Re: OT - Turn reply into a new thread using Gmail

2010-05-20 Thread John Francis

No.  Threading based on subject line is a misfeature that is
found in several broken email programs.  The right way to do it
is to use the headers specifically designed for threading
(In-Reply-To: and References:).

Threading based on subject means that if I choose the same subject
line for my email as one that somebody else used five years ago my
message will turn up at the end of that earlier thread, even though
it has absolutely nothing to do with it.


On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 09:23:02PM +0200, eckinator wrote:
 Wouldn't it be enough to just click first reply and then edit subject?
 Cheers
 Ecke
 
 2010/5/20 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com:
  1. ? Click Reply.
  2. ? Copy the contents.
  3. ? Discard the message. You'll be returned to the thread.
  4. ? Hover the pointer over Pentax-Discuss at the top of any PDML
  message and a box will pop up.
  5. ? Click on Email and you'll get a brand new message to compose,
  already addressed to p...@pdml.net.
  6. ? Paste the contents from the discarded reply, to be quoted and
  replied to as is your wont.
  7. ? Give the message a brand new name in the subject field. ?Viola,
  a new thread is born.
 
  Now I hope to Gawd that this works as I predict. ?I've done this
  before, and it has always happened as I described. ?The only
  spanner-in-the-works will be if Google has changed something under the
  hood in Gmail.
 
  regards, Anthony
 
  ? Of what use is lens and light
  ? ?to those who lack in mind and sight
  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Anon)
 
 
 
  On 20 May 2010 17:57, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
  On 19 May 2010 19:57, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
  just noticed this buried in the Chicago thread (i use a true threaded mail
  reader, so if you use reply to post something on a new topic, it will
  still get threaded with whatever you reply to)
 
  hijack
  My ISP has recently changed its webmail interface to one powered by
  Google that does this. ?With no apparent way of turning it off. ?What
  a load of regurgitated garbage it is. ?Not to mention that there is no
  way to put newest messages at the bottom. ?How stupid is that? ?The
  new interface works much more quickly than the previous one but, as it
  is irredemiably broken as far as I am concerned, I will be using it
  much less. ?For which you may raise thanks to your deity
  /hijack
 
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