Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

Thanks Frank.

She's a good kid.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave

On 08/11/2012, knarftheria...@gmail.com  wrote:
> She looks like she could be a bit of a handful.
>
> ;-)
>
> Wonderful photo!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: David Savage 
> Sent: November 3, 2012 11/3/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: OT PESO - Dangerous
>
> G'day Trendsetters,
>
> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
> Here is one of the images:
>
> <http://500px.com/photo/17291049>
>
> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
> with a 50mm f1.4.
>
> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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RE: OT PESO - Dangerous

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

She looks like she could be a bit of a handful.

;-)

Wonderful photo!

cheers,
frank 

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Subject: OT PESO - Dangerous

G'day Trendsetters,

I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
Here is one of the images:

<http://500px.com/photo/17291049>

Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
with a 50mm f1.4.

Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[Bruce Walker]

Sorry, John! Copy'n'paste error. Definitely the wrong link, though as
a Wes Anderson fan I'm planning to see that flick. :-)

Here's the beauty retouch vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG2iDIPDy8M


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Bruce Walker
>>
>> If you get a chance I highly recommend watching one of Lindsay Adler's
>> retouching seminars. I was fortunate to catch her three day seminar on
>> Creativelive.com last week and it was tremendously informative and
>> eye-opening. I was surprised to see how close my workflow is to hers,
>> but she goes so much further and introduced some really effective
>> techniques.
>> [ http://www.creativelive.com/live -- there's a wedding seminar on
>> there right now.]
>>
>> She's a very experienced portrait and fashion shooter and retoucher,
>> and also a very personable presenter. I'm not generally big on video
>> seminars, but some subject matter benefits from this kind of
>> presentation and this lady has the chops for sure. For example, she
>> pointed out how nicely the Imagenomic Portraiture plugin can be
>> re-used to quickly clean up scuffed seamless. Super idea! I've spend
>> hours cleaning seamless in post. She demonstrates using frequency
>> separation to do very high quality skin retouching -- quite an
>> advanced technique.
>>
>> I would highly recommend the CreativeLive DVD of her course based on
>> having seen it live.
>>
>> Here's a much condensed seminar of hers on Youtube that B&H put up:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N8wkVA4_8s
>>
>> Note: it's long! An hour and three quarters, but it's worth it. Also,
>> this dates back a year and a half and she's teaching more refined
>> techniques and CS6 now.
>
>
> Are you sure that's the right link? I'm getting "Moonrise Kingdom
> Official Trailer #1" and it's only 2:00 minutes long.
>
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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[John Sessoms]

From: Bruce Walker

If you get a chance I highly recommend watching one of Lindsay Adler's
retouching seminars. I was fortunate to catch her three day seminar on
Creativelive.com last week and it was tremendously informative and
eye-opening. I was surprised to see how close my workflow is to hers,
but she goes so much further and introduced some really effective
techniques.
[ http://www.creativelive.com/live -- there's a wedding seminar on
there right now.]

She's a very experienced portrait and fashion shooter and retoucher,
and also a very personable presenter. I'm not generally big on video
seminars, but some subject matter benefits from this kind of
presentation and this lady has the chops for sure. For example, she
pointed out how nicely the Imagenomic Portraiture plugin can be
re-used to quickly clean up scuffed seamless. Super idea! I've spend
hours cleaning seamless in post. She demonstrates using frequency
separation to do very high quality skin retouching -- quite an
advanced technique.

I would highly recommend the CreativeLive DVD of her course based on
having seen it live.

Here's a much condensed seminar of hers on Youtube that B&H put up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N8wkVA4_8s

Note: it's long! An hour and three quarters, but it's worth it. Also,
this dates back a year and a half and she's teaching more refined
techniques and CS6 now.


Are you sure that's the right link? I'm getting "Moonrise Kingdom
Official Trailer #1" and it's only 2:00 minutes long.

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[Bruce Walker]

If you get a chance I highly recommend watching one of Lindsay Adler's
retouching seminars. I was fortunate to catch her three day seminar on
Creativelive.com last week and it was tremendously informative and
eye-opening. I was surprised to see how close my workflow is to hers,
but she goes so much further and introduced some really effective
techniques.
[ http://www.creativelive.com/live -- there's a wedding seminar on
there right now.]

She's a very experienced portrait and fashion shooter and retoucher,
and also a very personable presenter. I'm not generally big on video
seminars, but some subject matter benefits from this kind of
presentation and this lady has the chops for sure. For example, she
pointed out how nicely the Imagenomic Portraiture plugin can be
re-used to quickly clean up scuffed seamless. Super idea! I've spend
hours cleaning seamless in post. She demonstrates using frequency
separation to do very high quality skin retouching -- quite an
advanced technique.

I would highly recommend the CreativeLive DVD of her course based on
having seen it live.

Here's a much condensed seminar of hers on Youtube that B&H put up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N8wkVA4_8s

Note: it's long! An hour and three quarters, but it's worth it. Also,
this dates back a year and a half and she's teaching more refined
techniques and CS6 now.


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David Savage  wrote:
> Thanks Bruce.
>
> The skin still has pore detail in the full res image. Like you, I look
> at a lot of over cooked images too.
>
> My general retouch technique is spot healing brush/patch tool for
> blemishes, the clone stamp on lighten with a very low opacity (about
> 10% or less) for under the eyes, and the final skin smoothing is based
> on this tutorial:
>
> <http://youtu.be/Fv4L1-TaGhI>
>
> I skip the 2 Gaussian blur steps and just reduce the skin smoothing
> adjustment layers opacity at the end.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On 4 November 2012 23:54, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> Dave, I don't feel this displays over-smoothed skin, but I view a lot
>> of fashion images where unrealistically uniform skin is expected, so I
>> have a bias. :-)
>>
>> But I also note that one cannot really tell if skin detail was lost to
>> post-processing in a 3/4 length shot that's less than 1000px high,
>> like here. Assuming there is fine detail in the original, it's all
>> been smoothed by image reduction to that size anyway.
>>
>> The beauty dish mounted just above head height and aimed close to
>> on-axis produces very little shadow detail and so, as you note, does a
>> pretty good job of skin smoothing by itself.
>>
>> I assume that you don't blur the skin, but use the healing tools,
>> mid-opacity clone stamp on Lighten, frequency separation, maybe a good
>> plugin, etc.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM, David Savage  wrote:
>>> G'day Rick,
>>>
>>> I did indeed smooth the skin in post. I'd be interested to hear if
>>> others thing it's too much. I like to think I'm pretty judicious in
>>> the level of smoothing I use.
>>>
>>> Also I've noticed that the beauty dish used like this washes out the
>>> skin which is quite flattering.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 4 November 2012 06:44, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>>> Dave, did you smooth her skin digitally?  If not, she's got astonishingly 
>>>> clear skin.  If so, it's a bit overdone.  Any more and she'd look like a 
>>>> mannequin, and they aren't threatening.
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: David Savage 
>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:49 AM
>>>> Subject: OT PESO - Dangerous
>>>>
>>>> G'day Trendsetters,
>>>>
>>>> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
>>>> Here is one of the images:
>>>>
>>>> <http://500px.com/photo/17291049>
>>>>
>>>> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
>>>> with a 50mm f1.4.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Dave
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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

Cheers Cotty.

Mel and I have shot together a number of times & our shoots are always
a lot of fun.

Dave


On 5 November 2012 07:11, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 5/11/12, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
>> Here is one of the images:
>
> 
>
> Really nice work Dave - been checking out the other results on FB. The
> model's persona comes across well in all the shots. Credit to you mate.
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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[John Sessoms]

From: David Savage

Jail-bait is a local term for a girl who looks older than the legal
age of consent.


... but is not. Yeah, I know.

That's pretty much the same thing it means around here, although
sometimes the girl's actual age don't matter as much as her appearance.
Where I grew up a lot of it could depend on who her daddy was ... not a
sugar-daddy; her genetic paternal unit.

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

Jail-bait is a local term for a girl who looks older than the legal
age of consent.


On 5 November 2012 06:51, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: David Savage
>
>> On 4 November 2012 22:57, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>>
>>> From: David Savage


 G'day Trendsetters,

 I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
 Here is one of the images:

 

 Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
 with a 50mm f1.4.

 Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.

 Cheers,

 Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right. Sweeney Todd jail-bait.
>>
>>
>> She's 21.
>
>
> So? You're saying she ain't as dangerous as she looks?
>
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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/11/12, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
> Here is one of the images:



Really nice work Dave - been checking out the other results on FB. The
model's persona comes across well in all the shots. Credit to you mate.

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[John Sessoms]

From: David Savage

On 4 November 2012 22:57, John Sessoms  wrote:

From: David Savage


G'day Trendsetters,

I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
Here is one of the images:



Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
with a 50mm f1.4.

Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.

Cheers,

Dave



Right. Sweeney Todd jail-bait.


She's 21.


So? You're saying she ain't as dangerous as she looks?

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

On 4 November 2012 22:57, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: David Savage
>>
>> G'day Trendsetters,
>>
>> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
>> Here is one of the images:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
>> with a 50mm f1.4.
>>
>> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> Right. Sweeney Todd jail-bait.

She's 21.

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

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On 4 November 2012 23:20, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: David Savage
>>
>> Also I've noticed that the beauty dish used like this washes out the
>> skin which is quite flattering.
>
>
> I think that's why they named it "beauty dish".

You might be onto something there :-)

I've not used beauty dishes too often (I tend to stick to soft boxes &
umbrellas), but I decided to see what all the fuss is about on this
shoot.

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

Thanks Bruce.

The skin still has pore detail in the full res image. Like you, I look
at a lot of over cooked images too.

My general retouch technique is spot healing brush/patch tool for
blemishes, the clone stamp on lighten with a very low opacity (about
10% or less) for under the eyes, and the final skin smoothing is based
on this tutorial:

<http://youtu.be/Fv4L1-TaGhI>

I skip the 2 Gaussian blur steps and just reduce the skin smoothing
adjustment layers opacity at the end.

Cheers,

Dave

On 4 November 2012 23:54, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Dave, I don't feel this displays over-smoothed skin, but I view a lot
> of fashion images where unrealistically uniform skin is expected, so I
> have a bias. :-)
>
> But I also note that one cannot really tell if skin detail was lost to
> post-processing in a 3/4 length shot that's less than 1000px high,
> like here. Assuming there is fine detail in the original, it's all
> been smoothed by image reduction to that size anyway.
>
> The beauty dish mounted just above head height and aimed close to
> on-axis produces very little shadow detail and so, as you note, does a
> pretty good job of skin smoothing by itself.
>
> I assume that you don't blur the skin, but use the healing tools,
> mid-opacity clone stamp on Lighten, frequency separation, maybe a good
> plugin, etc.
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM, David Savage  wrote:
>> G'day Rick,
>>
>> I did indeed smooth the skin in post. I'd be interested to hear if
>> others thing it's too much. I like to think I'm pretty judicious in
>> the level of smoothing I use.
>>
>> Also I've noticed that the beauty dish used like this washes out the
>> skin which is quite flattering.
>>
>> Thanks for your comments.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 4 November 2012 06:44, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> Dave, did you smooth her skin digitally?  If not, she's got astonishingly 
>>> clear skin.  If so, it's a bit overdone.  Any more and she'd look like a 
>>> mannequin, and they aren't threatening.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: David Savage 
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:49 AM
>>> Subject: OT PESO - Dangerous
>>>
>>> G'day Trendsetters,
>>>
>>> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
>>> Here is one of the images:
>>>
>>> <http://500px.com/photo/17291049>
>>>
>>> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
>>> with a 50mm f1.4.
>>>
>>> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[Bruce Walker]

Dave, I don't feel this displays over-smoothed skin, but I view a lot
of fashion images where unrealistically uniform skin is expected, so I
have a bias. :-)

But I also note that one cannot really tell if skin detail was lost to
post-processing in a 3/4 length shot that's less than 1000px high,
like here. Assuming there is fine detail in the original, it's all
been smoothed by image reduction to that size anyway.

The beauty dish mounted just above head height and aimed close to
on-axis produces very little shadow detail and so, as you note, does a
pretty good job of skin smoothing by itself.

I assume that you don't blur the skin, but use the healing tools,
mid-opacity clone stamp on Lighten, frequency separation, maybe a good
plugin, etc.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM, David Savage  wrote:
> G'day Rick,
>
> I did indeed smooth the skin in post. I'd be interested to hear if
> others thing it's too much. I like to think I'm pretty judicious in
> the level of smoothing I use.
>
> Also I've noticed that the beauty dish used like this washes out the
> skin which is quite flattering.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Dave
>
> On 4 November 2012 06:44, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> Dave, did you smooth her skin digitally?  If not, she's got astonishingly 
>> clear skin.  If so, it's a bit overdone.  Any more and she'd look like a 
>> mannequin, and they aren't threatening.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: David Savage 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:49 AM
>> Subject: OT PESO - Dangerous
>>
>> G'day Trendsetters,
>>
>> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
>> Here is one of the images:
>>
>> <http://500px.com/photo/17291049>
>>
>> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
>> with a 50mm f1.4.
>>
>> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

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From: David Savage

Also I've noticed that the beauty dish used like this washes out the
skin which is quite flattering.


I think that's why they named it "beauty dish".

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OT PESO - Dangerous

[John Sessoms]

From: David Savage

G'day Trendsetters,

I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
Here is one of the images:



Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
with a 50mm f1.4.

Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.

Cheers,

Dave


Right. Sweeney Todd jail-bait.

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

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Well done

Dave

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> G'day Trendsetters,
>
> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
> Here is one of the images:
>
> 
>
> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
> with a 50mm f1.4.
>
> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

G'day Rick,

I did indeed smooth the skin in post. I'd be interested to hear if
others thing it's too much. I like to think I'm pretty judicious in
the level of smoothing I use.

Also I've noticed that the beauty dish used like this washes out the
skin which is quite flattering.

Thanks for your comments.

Dave

On 4 November 2012 06:44, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Dave, did you smooth her skin digitally?  If not, she's got astonishingly 
> clear skin.  If so, it's a bit overdone.  Any more and she'd look like a 
> mannequin, and they aren't threatening.
>
> Rick
>
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Savage 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:49 AM
> Subject: OT PESO - Dangerous
>
> G'day Trendsetters,
>
> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
> Here is one of the images:
>
> <http://500px.com/photo/17291049>
>
> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
> with a 50mm f1.4.
>
> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

We always have fun when we get together. We share a similar twisted
sense of humor :-)

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

Dave


On 4 November 2012 02:23, Tim Bray  wrote:
> Looks like you were both having fun.  I did, looking at it. -T
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, David Savage  wrote:
>> G'day Trendsetters,
>>
>> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
>> Here is one of the images:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
>> with a 50mm f1.4.
>>
>> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[Rick Womer]

Dave, did you smooth her skin digitally?  If not, she's got astonishingly clear 
skin.  If so, it's a bit overdone.  Any more and she'd look like a mannequin, 
and they aren't threatening.

Rick
  

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Subject: OT PESO - Dangerous

G'day Trendsetters,

I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
Here is one of the images:

<http://500px.com/photo/17291049>

Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
with a 50mm f1.4.

Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Dangerous

[Tim Bray]

Looks like you were both having fun.  I did, looking at it. -T

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> G'day Trendsetters,
>
> I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
> Here is one of the images:
>
> 
>
> Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
> with a 50mm f1.4.
>
> Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
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OT PESO - Dangerous

[David Savage]

G'day Trendsetters,

I had a bit of a shoot with one of my favorite models last weekend.
Here is one of the images:



Single strobe with a beauty dish, high camera left. Shot on the D800
with a 50mm f1.4.

Enjoy, and as always, comments & critiques welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

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