Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
Steve, I tested both the iPhone and MPB both on the train and at home, with similar results. Downloading the EQ 10 app for the iPhone and fiddling with the sliders has given me a sound that almost matches that from the MBP. A few nights ago I was at my computer editing pix, 10 feet away from a window air conditioner. I put on the 'phones, plugged them in, and all I could hear was the music. Very nice. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 1:10 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-06-17 7:46 Richard Womer wrote Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. was your trial with the MBP in the same environment or at home? if not i'd suspect the noise-cancelling was mucking with the overall sound quality other than that, it could be that your iPhone doesn't drive your Sennheisers well; i know there are some people who use external DACs between iPhone and headphones, in part to get a cleaner analog signal, but also to get preamps that drive certain headphones better; there's a whole world of expensive gear you can explore -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
on 2014-06-17 7:46 Richard Womer wrote Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. was your trial with the MBP in the same environment or at home? if not i'd suspect the noise-cancelling was mucking with the overall sound quality other than that, it could be that your iPhone doesn't drive your Sennheisers well; i know there are some people who use external DACs between iPhone and headphones, in part to get a cleaner analog signal, but also to get preamps that drive certain headphones better; there's a whole world of expensive gear you can explore -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
Taking the train last evening, I put on my (very good) Sennheiser noise-cancelling headphones, plugged them into my iPhone, and started Beethoven's Violin Concerto (sublime after a very stressful day). Gee, I said to myself halfway through the first movement, this sounds crappy. I tried all of the equalization settings, and found flat was the best, but it still sounded crappy. Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. So my questions are: 1. Is the problem that the music player on the iPhone is crap? Is there a better one? 2. Is the problem that the music files are compressed almost beyond recognition getting transferred from the MBP to the iPhone? Is there any way to circumvent that? 3. Or is the problem that the iPhone has crappy sound circuitry, and I'll just have to live with it? Cheers, Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
On Jun 17, 2014, at 08:46 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the train last evening, I put on my (very good) Sennheiser noise-cancelling headphones, plugged them into my iPhone, and started Beethoven's Violin Concerto (sublime after a very stressful day). Gee, I said to myself halfway through the first movement, this sounds crappy. I tried all of the equalization settings, and found flat was the best, but it still sounded crappy. Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. So my questions are: 1. Is the problem that the music player on the iPhone is crap? Is there a better one? 2. Is the problem that the music files are compressed almost beyond recognition getting transferred from the MBP to the iPhone? Is there any way to circumvent that? Files transferred from iTunes to your phone aren't (or shouldn't be) recompressed. But check your settings! With your phone connected to iTunes, click on the phone in the left sidebar so you get the summary (phone, backups, options) in the big window on the right. In the lowest options box, look for the checkbox titled: Convert higher bit rate songs to xxx AAC. If that's checked... UN-check it. Now the music sent to your phone will just be a COPY of the file from your MBP, not a re-rip of same. I find that the music output on my iPhone5 sounds just great to my 48-year-old ears. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
Thanks, Charles. It wasn't checked. Do you listen to classical music? I imagine the reproduction would be fine for pop, but it flunks for chamber or symphonic music. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 08:46 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the train last evening, I put on my (very good) Sennheiser noise-cancelling headphones, plugged them into my iPhone, and started Beethoven's Violin Concerto (sublime after a very stressful day). Gee, I said to myself halfway through the first movement, this sounds crappy. I tried all of the equalization settings, and found flat was the best, but it still sounded crappy. Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. So my questions are: 1. Is the problem that the music player on the iPhone is crap? Is there a better one? 2. Is the problem that the music files are compressed almost beyond recognition getting transferred from the MBP to the iPhone? Is there any way to circumvent that? Files transferred from iTunes to your phone aren't (or shouldn't be) recompressed. But check your settings! With your phone connected to iTunes, click on the phone in the left sidebar so you get the summary (phone, backups, options) in the big window on the right. In the lowest options box, look for the checkbox titled: Convert higher bit rate songs to xxx AAC. If that's checked... UN-check it. Now the music sent to your phone will just be a COPY of the file from your MBP, not a re-rip of same. I find that the music output on my iPhone5 sounds just great to my 48-year-old ears. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:33 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Charles. It wasn't checked. Do you listen to classical music? I imagine the reproduction would be fine for pop, but it flunks for chamber or symphonic music. I absolutely do not. I grew up with in playing in the house all of the time, but never developed a taste for it. You may well just be pickier than I am (I used to be the fanatic with the Discwasher and the Zerostat, working on adjusting cartridges and complaining about inner-groove distortion). I am no longer too picky, I guess. Try borrowing someone's iPod, see if you like the reproduction better out of one of those. FWIW, A friend of mine says the DAC on the Classics is nowhere near as good as earlier models. As a matter of fact, he has a device which plugs into the 30-pin port and gets a direct digital output which this extra device then converts for ultra-high-fidelity analog independently of the iPod. I think he's nuts, but if he wants to spend $200 on a device to convert output from a $150 device, all power to him. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
Classical music sounds just fine from the iPhone, modulo the quality of the encoding and output devices. Even my brother (a recording engineer) agrees. So something's wrong with the encoding or the output. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jun 17, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Charles. It wasn't checked. Do you listen to classical music? I imagine the reproduction would be fine for pop, but it flunks for chamber or symphonic music. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 08:46 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the train last evening, I put on my (very good) Sennheiser noise-cancelling headphones, plugged them into my iPhone, and started Beethoven's Violin Concerto (sublime after a very stressful day). Gee, I said to myself halfway through the first movement, this sounds crappy. I tried all of the equalization settings, and found flat was the best, but it still sounded crappy. Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. So my questions are: 1. Is the problem that the music player on the iPhone is crap? Is there a better one? 2. Is the problem that the music files are compressed almost beyond recognition getting transferred from the MBP to the iPhone? Is there any way to circumvent that? Files transferred from iTunes to your phone aren't (or shouldn't be) recompressed. But check your settings! With your phone connected to iTunes, click on the phone in the left sidebar so you get the summary (phone, backups, options) in the big window on the right. In the lowest options box, look for the checkbox titled: Convert higher bit rate songs to xxx AAC. If that's checked... UN-check it. Now the music sent to your phone will just be a COPY of the file from your MBP, not a re-rip of same. I find that the music output on my iPhone5 sounds just great to my 48-year-old ears. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
Godfrey, So it appears. The files I'm listening to are from CDs, copied onto the MBP and thence to the iPhone. They sound much, much better on the MBP. I'm puzzled. I think I'll try a third-party graphic equalizer/playback program, but somehow I'm not anticipating great success. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Classical music sounds just fine from the iPhone, modulo the quality of the encoding and output devices. Even my brother (a recording engineer) agrees. So something's wrong with the encoding or the output. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jun 17, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Charles. It wasn't checked. Do you listen to classical music? I imagine the reproduction would be fine for pop, but it flunks for chamber or symphonic music. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 08:46 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the train last evening, I put on my (very good) Sennheiser noise-cancelling headphones, plugged them into my iPhone, and started Beethoven's Violin Concerto (sublime after a very stressful day). Gee, I said to myself halfway through the first movement, this sounds crappy. I tried all of the equalization settings, and found flat was the best, but it still sounded crappy. Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. So my questions are: 1. Is the problem that the music player on the iPhone is crap? Is there a better one? 2. Is the problem that the music files are compressed almost beyond recognition getting transferred from the MBP to the iPhone? Is there any way to circumvent that? Files transferred from iTunes to your phone aren't (or shouldn't be) recompressed. But check your settings! With your phone connected to iTunes, click on the phone in the left sidebar so you get the summary (phone, backups, options) in the big window on the right. In the lowest options box, look for the checkbox titled: Convert higher bit rate songs to xxx AAC. If that's checked... UN-check it. Now the music sent to your phone will just be a COPY of the file from your MBP, not a re-rip of same. I find that the music output on my iPhone5 sounds just great to my 48-year-old ears. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
On Jun 17, 2014, at 17:03 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Godfrey, So it appears. The files I'm listening to are from CDs, copied onto the MBP and thence to the iPhone. They sound much, much better on the MBP. I'm puzzled. I think I'll try a third-party graphic equalizer/playback program, but somehow I'm not anticipating great success. have you tried different methods of output - ie, using a dock to a stereo or something? The 30-pin (older phone) or lightning jack (newer phones) puts out a line output which would be going through your DAC but not your amplifier... you could get a clue where the problem lies. How about when you handle phone calls using that headphone jack? How do those sound? You might have something gumming up your headphone jack physically, or there might be a problem with the amplifier. I know that in the past I've gotten some really REALLY bad sound when a headphone is not FULLY inserted into the jack - you get something that is mostly monophonic with the L+R signals added up out of phase with each other (or something like that). Can really sound like crap. Make sure (compressed air? toothpick?) that there isn't something keeping your headphone plug from going all the way in. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
They should sound virtually identical if you use the same headphones for output. I'd go to an Apple store and compare against another unit before you do anything else. Your iPhone may have a bad part ... My partner bought his 4S used and the sound was terrible from it. He brought it to the store, they agreed; they replaced it with a new one as it was still under warranty. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Godfrey, So it appears. The files I'm listening to are from CDs, copied onto the MBP and thence to the iPhone. They sound much, much better on the MBP. I'm puzzled. I think I'll try a third-party graphic equalizer/playback program, but somehow I'm not anticipating great success. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Classical music sounds just fine from the iPhone, modulo the quality of the encoding and output devices. Even my brother (a recording engineer) agrees. So something's wrong with the encoding or the output. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jun 17, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Charles. It wasn't checked. Do you listen to classical music? I imagine the reproduction would be fine for pop, but it flunks for chamber or symphonic music. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 08:46 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the train last evening, I put on my (very good) Sennheiser noise-cancelling headphones, plugged them into my iPhone, and started Beethoven's Violin Concerto (sublime after a very stressful day). Gee, I said to myself halfway through the first movement, this sounds crappy. I tried all of the equalization settings, and found flat was the best, but it still sounded crappy. Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. So my questions are: 1. Is the problem that the music player on the iPhone is crap? Is there a better one? 2. Is the problem that the music files are compressed almost beyond recognition getting transferred from the MBP to the iPhone? Is there any way to circumvent that? Files transferred from iTunes to your phone aren't (or shouldn't be) recompressed. But check your settings! With your phone connected to iTunes, click on the phone in the left sidebar so you get the summary (phone, backups, options) in the big window on the right. In the lowest options box, look for the checkbox titled: Convert higher bit rate songs to xxx AAC. If that's checked... UN-check it. Now the music sent to your phone will just be a COPY of the file from your MBP, not a re-rip of same. I find that the music output on my iPhone5 sounds just great to my 48-year-old ears. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Over-the-horizon OT -- iPhone music playing
Mystery solved! Poking around in iTunes on the Mac, I found I had set the equalizer so that it sounded good on trains, planes, and at home with the AC running. After some research, I downloaded the EQ 10 app, and set its equalizer similarly. Zounds! Nice sounds, even here near the AC! Thanks for your input, Charles and Godfrey. I really was helpful. Rick On Jun 17, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: They should sound virtually identical if you use the same headphones for output. I'd go to an Apple store and compare against another unit before you do anything else. Your iPhone may have a bad part ... My partner bought his 4S used and the sound was terrible from it. He brought it to the store, they agreed; they replaced it with a new one as it was still under warranty. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Godfrey, So it appears. The files I'm listening to are from CDs, copied onto the MBP and thence to the iPhone. They sound much, much better on the MBP. I'm puzzled. I think I'll try a third-party graphic equalizer/playback program, but somehow I'm not anticipating great success. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Classical music sounds just fine from the iPhone, modulo the quality of the encoding and output devices. Even my brother (a recording engineer) agrees. So something's wrong with the encoding or the output. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Jun 17, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Charles. It wasn't checked. Do you listen to classical music? I imagine the reproduction would be fine for pop, but it flunks for chamber or symphonic music. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 08:46 , Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the train last evening, I put on my (very good) Sennheiser noise-cancelling headphones, plugged them into my iPhone, and started Beethoven's Violin Concerto (sublime after a very stressful day). Gee, I said to myself halfway through the first movement, this sounds crappy. I tried all of the equalization settings, and found flat was the best, but it still sounded crappy. Were my headphones giving out? I pulled out my MBP and played the same selection via iTunes--it sounded fantastic. It's the iPhone, not the headphones. So my questions are: 1. Is the problem that the music player on the iPhone is crap? Is there a better one? 2. Is the problem that the music files are compressed almost beyond recognition getting transferred from the MBP to the iPhone? Is there any way to circumvent that? Files transferred from iTunes to your phone aren't (or shouldn't be) recompressed. But check your settings! With your phone connected to iTunes, click on the phone in the left sidebar so you get the summary (phone, backups, options) in the big window on the right. In the lowest options box, look for the checkbox titled: Convert higher bit rate songs to xxx AAC. If that's checked... UN-check it. Now the music sent to your phone will just be a COPY of the file from your MBP, not a re-rip of same. I find that the music output on my iPhone5 sounds just great to my 48-year-old ears. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
