Re: PESO - First shot with a new (to me) lens
John, thank you for your description of your portrait subjects. I can say that I am not surprised. There must have been something between you and the cats that can be (somehow) captured using a camera. I thought Anthony and Alex were looking distant, if that is a correct word in this setting. For Eve, I was sure it would be my cat if I were to choose one based only on these images. Ella looked beautiful but for some reason (or for no reason at all) we could not make a connection. And, Spot was my next candidate for a serious relationship. :) I have recently lost my friend Pebble (a pointer, see: https://celasun.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/communication/ and https://celasun.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/cakil-ve-ben/ ) . My wife and I are now looking for one or two friends (perhaps, a cat and a dog) to live with us. This probably makes my antenna more sensitive these days. Have a nice time with all those companions. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun John Francis , 27 Ağu 2018 Pzt, 01:37 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 09:03:37AM +0300, Bulent Celasun wrote: > > What a show! > > I wonder if the images reflect their personalities fairly. > > Some soft, some curious some tough... > > That's a tough question - I know the cats too well, so I see > what I expect to see. I'll give you a potted biography for > each of them, and see if that matches your impressions. > > Anthony is an old cat (16). He is one of a litter of 4 kittens > that we fostered. Unfortunately they were almost three months > old when we got them, and had been living a semi-feral life. > By that age they are pretty much set in their ways. > When he was a kitten he was always hiding somewhere - behind > a box, in between the cushions on the sofa, under a chair, ... > For most of his life he didn't really interact much with us. > In the last year or so, though, he's been having some digestive > issues, and needs to be fed a special diet. He's got used to > coming up and demanding food, and seems to have forgotten that > people were scary - he will lie beside me on the bed, and has > even settled down on my lap on a few occasions. He still has > more than a few doubts about my wife, though. > > Alex is my wife's cat. He will allow me to stroke him, but > makes it very clear that this is a poor substitute for the > real thing. He spends most of the day asleep waiting for my > wife to come home so he can leap up on her desk to greet her. > He also supervises her when she gets up every morning. > > Eve was a cat we didn't plan for. I had just taken one of > Anthony's siblings to the local humane society for her last > trip - while there wasn't anything medically wrong with her > she'd stopped eating, had difficulty walking, etc. She'd > decided she had come to the end of her time, and was just > waiting for the inevitable. Rather than prolong her pain > and suffering I gave her a peaceful ending. Even so it's > a hard thing to do, so I sat for a while in the cat area > before driving home. There were only a couple of cats out > at the time, and I was told that one of them wasn't really > sociable - she hardly interacted with any of the volunteers. > The cat, however, obviously had othe plans. Almost as soon > as I sat down she leaped up onto the bench beside me, then > head-butted my arm out of the way to climb onto my lap. > Apparently she had decided she was going home with me. > Other than that she's a fairly typical tortie - she can > go in a trice from accepting all the attention you can > give her to biting the hand that dares to disturb her fur. > And what fur it is! Long and silky, but maintenance free! > > Ella was a cat returned to a local shelter when her owner > went off to college. She's taken a while to accept us as her > new staff. Unfortunately she seeks a cure for her insecurity > in the food bowl, and could really do with losing some weight. > But with multiple other cats in the household (who all want > to eat on different schedules) there's always food available. > Sadly, her fur isn't maintenance free, so we do sometimes > have to make her suffer the indignity of being brushed. > > Spot was one of the fosters we had last year (a mother and > her five kittens). The mother was, unusually, a ginger tabby. > (that's far more common in males than in females). All of > her kittens were boys, and all of them were ginger tabbies. > The mother was semi-feral (she eventually got a placement > as a barn cat), so even though they were used to the presence > of humans (we got them when they were a couple of days old) > they weren't particularly demonstrative, and were always a > little withdrawn when interacting with people. > Spot (named after Data's cat on Star Trek) didn't
Re: PESO - First shot with a new (to me) lens
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 09:03:37AM +0300, Bulent Celasun wrote: > What a show! > I wonder if the images reflect their personalities fairly. > Some soft, some curious some tough... That's a tough question - I know the cats too well, so I see what I expect to see. I'll give you a potted biography for each of them, and see if that matches your impressions. Anthony is an old cat (16). He is one of a litter of 4 kittens that we fostered. Unfortunately they were almost three months old when we got them, and had been living a semi-feral life. By that age they are pretty much set in their ways. When he was a kitten he was always hiding somewhere - behind a box, in between the cushions on the sofa, under a chair, ... For most of his life he didn't really interact much with us. In the last year or so, though, he's been having some digestive issues, and needs to be fed a special diet. He's got used to coming up and demanding food, and seems to have forgotten that people were scary - he will lie beside me on the bed, and has even settled down on my lap on a few occasions. He still has more than a few doubts about my wife, though. Alex is my wife's cat. He will allow me to stroke him, but makes it very clear that this is a poor substitute for the real thing. He spends most of the day asleep waiting for my wife to come home so he can leap up on her desk to greet her. He also supervises her when she gets up every morning. Eve was a cat we didn't plan for. I had just taken one of Anthony's siblings to the local humane society for her last trip - while there wasn't anything medically wrong with her she'd stopped eating, had difficulty walking, etc. She'd decided she had come to the end of her time, and was just waiting for the inevitable. Rather than prolong her pain and suffering I gave her a peaceful ending. Even so it's a hard thing to do, so I sat for a while in the cat area before driving home. There were only a couple of cats out at the time, and I was told that one of them wasn't really sociable - she hardly interacted with any of the volunteers. The cat, however, obviously had othe plans. Almost as soon as I sat down she leaped up onto the bench beside me, then head-butted my arm out of the way to climb onto my lap. Apparently she had decided she was going home with me. Other than that she's a fairly typical tortie - she can go in a trice from accepting all the attention you can give her to biting the hand that dares to disturb her fur. And what fur it is! Long and silky, but maintenance free! Ella was a cat returned to a local shelter when her owner went off to college. She's taken a while to accept us as her new staff. Unfortunately she seeks a cure for her insecurity in the food bowl, and could really do with losing some weight. But with multiple other cats in the household (who all want to eat on different schedules) there's always food available. Sadly, her fur isn't maintenance free, so we do sometimes have to make her suffer the indignity of being brushed. Spot was one of the fosters we had last year (a mother and her five kittens). The mother was, unusually, a ginger tabby. (that's far more common in males than in females). All of her kittens were boys, and all of them were ginger tabbies. The mother was semi-feral (she eventually got a placement as a barn cat), so even though they were used to the presence of humans (we got them when they were a couple of days old) they weren't particularly demonstrative, and were always a little withdrawn when interacting with people. Spot (named after Data's cat on Star Trek) didn't originally have that name. We were working on names for the kittens, and had got as far as "ginger" for the one that didn't have Any white fur. One of the others was, as is typical, somewhat smaller than the rest. At one point I referred to him as the baby cat. That gave me an idea, and the other three were from that moment Sporty (who became Spot), Scary & Posh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - First shot with a new (to me) lens
What a show! I wonder if the images reflect their personalities fairly. Some soft, some curious some tough... Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun John Francis , 26 Ağu 2018 Paz, 06:45 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 04:23:17PM -0400, John Francis wrote: > > > > I realised that I didn't actually have pictures of most of our > > cats. Expect a gallery soon ... > > A gallery is going to take a little longer - I haven't installed > a gallery creator on my current machine :-( > > In the meantime, here's a collage of the residents, arranged in > order of seniority (I couldn't decide which picture of Eve to use). > > http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/Collage.jpg > > Enjoy! (unless you're MJ, of course) > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 04:23:17PM -0400, John Francis wrote: > > I realised that I didn't actually have pictures of most of our > cats. Expect a gallery soon ... A gallery is going to take a little longer - I haven't installed a gallery creator on my current machine :-( In the meantime, here's a collage of the residents, arranged in order of seniority (I couldn't decide which picture of Eve to use). http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/Collage.jpg Enjoy! (unless you're MJ, of course) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 03:35:57PM -0400, John Francis wrote: > > The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing > the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. > > It appears to be working ... > > http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg > > I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... Thanks to all who have commented. I'm sure the new 50/f1.4 is a far better lens, but I'd never use it enough to justify the cost. I'm just glad that Bill decided to upgrade his system, and parted with the old lens at a price that garnered me nothing more than a resigned look from the household accountant (and, nowadays, sole wage-earner). Getting it has prompted me to actually pick up the camera again - I realised that I didn't actually have pictures of most of our cats. Expect a gallery soon ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't sell lenses often ... but when I do they're mostly Pentax Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" Subject: Re: PESO - First shot with a new (to me) lens On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't sell lenses often. MARK -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 25 Aug 2018, at 01:00, "l...@red4est.com" wrote: > > I often go that long without saying anything noteworthy, that doesn't stop > people from quoting me. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you. > >> On August 24, 2018 10:43:17 AM PDT, Bill wrote: >>> On 8/24/2018 2:48 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>> On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> I don't sell lenses often. >>> >>> MARK >>> >> >> Drats. I was hoping to go a full year without saying anything >> noteworthy. >> >> bill >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul > On Aug 24, 2018, at 7:59 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: > > I often go that long without saying anything noteworthy, that doesn't stop > people from quoting me. > MARK! >> On August 24, 2018 10:43:17 AM PDT, Bill wrote: >>> On 8/24/2018 2:48 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>> On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >>> I don't sell lenses often. >>> >>> MARK >>> >> >> Drats. I was hoping to go a full year without saying anything >> noteworthy. >> >> bill >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I often go that long without saying anything noteworthy, that doesn't stop people from quoting me. On August 24, 2018 10:43:17 AM PDT, Bill wrote: >On 8/24/2018 2:48 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> I don't sell lenses often. >> >> MARK >> > >Drats. I was hoping to go a full year without saying anything >noteworthy. > >bill > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/24/2018 13:43, Bill wrote: On 8/24/2018 2:48 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't sell lenses often. MARK Drats. I was hoping to go a full year without saying anything noteworthy. bill It's not that hard to do. I've managed it several times. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/24/2018 11:53 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 24/8/18, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: I was hoping to go a full year without saying anything noteworthy. MARKMARKMARK DammitDammitDammit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24/8/18, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: >I was hoping to go a full year without saying anything noteworthy. MARKMARKMARK -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/24/2018 2:48 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't sell lenses often. MARK Drats. I was hoping to go a full year without saying anything noteworthy. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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MARK squared. Jostein Den 24.08.2018 10:48, skrev Steve Cottrell: On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't sell lenses often. MARK -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24/8/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >I don't sell lenses often. MARK -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:43 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: > Nice shot. Sharp, good detail. It’s a great lens, eclipsed perhaps only by > the new much more pricey 50. It’s definitely eclipsed by the new 50. I don’t sell lenses often. Bill > > > On Aug 23, 2018, at 3:35 PM, John Francis wrote: > > > > > > The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing > > the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. > > > > It appears to be working ... > > > >http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg > > > > It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an > > SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film > > and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital. > > But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my > > trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8 > > > > I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Aw that's purrfect. -Original Message- >From: John Francis >Subject: PESO - First shot with a new (to me) lens > > >The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing >the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. > >It appears to be working ... > >http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg > >It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an >SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film >and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital. >But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my >trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8 > >I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice shot. Sharp, good detail. It’s a great lens, eclipsed perhaps only by the new much more pricey 50. > On Aug 23, 2018, at 3:35 PM, John Francis wrote: > > > The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing > the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. > > It appears to be working ... > >http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg > > It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an > SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film > and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital. > But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my > trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8 > > I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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you gave away a smc pentax F 50mm F1.7 ??? thats a highly rated, fast, lens. jco On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:35:57 -0400, John Francis wrote: The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. It appears to be working ... http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital. But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8 I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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oh what a nice portrait! ann On 8/23/2018 3:35 PM, John Francis wrote: The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. It appears to be working ... http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital. But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8 I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 1:36 PM John Francis wrote: > > The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing > the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. > > It appears to be working ... > That's a relief. It arrived in good condition. Bikk > > http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg > > It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an > SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film > and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital. > But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my > trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8 > > I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently. It appears to be working ... http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital. But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8 I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
