Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[P. J. Alling]

If it was only 10 bucks I'd have bought it already...

On 11/17/2020 5:58 AM, Alan C wrote:
P J, you're probably right. I was only thinking of the sensor. If I 
can get one for ten bucks, I'll take it!


Alan C

On 16-Nov-20 10:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
it always looked more like a mirrorless K-500 with a lot of lipstick 
than a K-5. 




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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[Mark C]

I converted my K01 to infrared and use it quite a bit. I use an 
inexpensive XIT LCD Loup as a finder - makes the camera rather 
cumbersome but works well. K01 image quality is very close to the K5, 
which is to say excellent. But the ergonomics are not good. It's still a 
useful camera and when I bought it, it was quite a bargain.


Mark

On 11/15/2020 10:32 PM, Alan C wrote:
I've tried to respond to Rick's comment three times but it somehow 
doesn't get to the PDML. Now I've tries some heavy pruning.


Pentax did venture into the mirrorless realm with the K-01, 
essentially a k-mount mirrorless K5 - much bigger than a 4/3. Brian 
Walters feels it was a missed opportunity since, without an EVF, it 
had to be used in Live View. He found that one of those clip-on turret 
viewfinders didn't really solve the problem. I looked for a S/H K-01 
body in SA a couple of years ago but found they were asking more than 
a K5!


Alan C

On 15-Nov-20 04:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
I suspect that the decision to concentrate on DSLRs was driven by 
scarcity of capital, not scarcity of desire to make a mirrorless body.








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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[Alan C]

P J, you're probably right. I was only thinking of the sensor. If I can 
get one for ten bucks, I'll take it!


Alan C

On 16-Nov-20 10:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
it always looked more like a mirrorless K-500 with a lot of lipstick 
than a K-5. 



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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[Larry Colen]

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 12:38 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> He wasn't the only one to suggest such a thing, when the K-01 and Q series 
> were both in production, if Pentax had supplied an auxiliary EVF that could 
> be used on both cameras instead of spending the money on a name brand 
> designer, there would have been some synergy between the two lines, and I 
> think he's wrong on the model it's evolved from, it always looked more like a 
> mirrorless K-500 with a lot of lipstick than a K-5.
> 
> However if you're interested in a K-01 you can get a yellow one from Amazon, 
> for about $10.00 less than a K-5II currently at KEH.com.

Damn it!  I put a wishful comma in that sentence. I read it as:

 if you're interested in a K-01 you can get a yellow one from Amazon, for about 
$10.00, less than a K-5II currently at KEH.com.


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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[Stanley Halpin]

There is also a black one available…

https://www.amazon.com/Pentax-K-01-Mirrorless-Body-Black/dp/B0076396OA 


I like the yellow one I bought used from a list member.  When I use that people 
are less likely to think that I am somehow a serious photographer who might 
actually be taking their picture.

stan


> On Nov 16, 2020, at 3:38 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> He wasn't the only one to suggest such a thing, when the K-01 and Q series 
> were both in production, if Pentax had supplied an auxiliary EVF that could 
> be used on both cameras instead of spending the money on a name brand 
> designer, there would have been some synergy between the two lines, and I 
> think he's wrong on the model it's evolved from, it always looked more like a 
> mirrorless K-500 with a lot of lipstick than a K-5.
> 
> However if you're interested in a K-01 you can get a yellow one from Amazon, 
> for about $10.00 less than a K-5II currently at KEH.com.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Pentax-K-01-Mirrorless-Yellow-Body/dp/B0076397MQ
> 
> https://www.keh.com/shop/pentax-k-5-ii-digital-camera-body-16-3-m-p.html
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/15/2020 10:32 PM, Alan C wrote:
>> I've tried to respond to Rick's comment three times but it somehow doesn't 
>> get to the PDML. Now I've tries some heavy pruning.
>> 
>> Pentax did venture into the mirrorless realm with the K-01, essentially a 
>> k-mount mirrorless K5 - much bigger than a 4/3. Brian Walters feels it was a 
>> missed opportunity since, without an EVF, it had to be used in Live View. He 
>> found that one of those clip-on turret viewfinders didn't really solve the 
>> problem. I looked for a S/H K-01 body in SA a couple of years ago but found 
>> they were asking more than a K5!
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> On 15-Nov-20 04:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
>>> I suspect that the decision to concentrate on DSLRs was driven by scarcity 
>>> of capital, not scarcity of desire to make a mirrorless body.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> idiot to use a Pentax.
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[P. J. Alling]

He wasn't the only one to suggest such a thing, when the K-01 and Q 
series were both in production, if Pentax had supplied an auxiliary EVF 
that could be used on both cameras instead of spending the money on a 
name brand designer, there would have been some synergy between the two 
lines, and I think he's wrong on the model it's evolved from, it always 
looked more like a mirrorless K-500 with a lot of lipstick than a K-5.


However if you're interested in a K-01 you can get a yellow one from 
Amazon, for about $10.00 less than a K-5II currently at KEH.com.


https://www.amazon.com/Pentax-K-01-Mirrorless-Yellow-Body/dp/B0076397MQ

https://www.keh.com/shop/pentax-k-5-ii-digital-camera-body-16-3-m-p.html



On 11/15/2020 10:32 PM, Alan C wrote:
I've tried to respond to Rick's comment three times but it somehow 
doesn't get to the PDML. Now I've tries some heavy pruning.


Pentax did venture into the mirrorless realm with the K-01, 
essentially a k-mount mirrorless K5 - much bigger than a 4/3. Brian 
Walters feels it was a missed opportunity since, without an EVF, it 
had to be used in Live View. He found that one of those clip-on turret 
viewfinders didn't really solve the problem. I looked for a S/H K-01 
body in SA a couple of years ago but found they were asking more than 
a K5!


Alan C

On 15-Nov-20 04:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
I suspect that the decision to concentrate on DSLRs was driven by 
scarcity of capital, not scarcity of desire to make a mirrorless body.






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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[Rick Womer]

I wasn’t proposing that Pentax enter the mirrorless market (again). I was just 
saying that this will cut into sales of Pentax DSLRs to people who already own 
Pentax lenses.

Unless, of course, Pentax licensed the technology for the mount to Monster, and 
can collect royalties equivalent to the profit from a body…

Rick

> On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Pentax has become an also ran in the (D)SLR market. They would already be an 
> also ran in the mirrorless camera market if they introduced a camera last 
> March (8 months ago).
> They have nothing to gain by going after a market that is already saturated, 
> especially with camera sales in freefall.
> Sony is in the process of getting out of the SLR business to concentrate on 
> mirrorless, Canon will probably follow suit, dropping the EOS SLR line 
> entirely and forcing EF users into the RF mount with an adapter.
> Nikon will probably try to stay in the SLR market, but they are, at the 
> moment, on the ropes and punch drunk.
> If, as I predict, Sony and Canon leave the SLR market, that will leave it to 
> Nikon and Pentax, with Nikon more than likley only supporting DSLRs with 
> their very top end cameras.
> Canon, Nikon and Sony are in deep shit because they have huge infrastructures 
> with an increasingly small market to serve. Their entire business model has 
> been based on selling lots of cheap cameras to consumers with a rapid product 
> line renewal to keep it's customers on a buying hamster wheel.
> The market for SLRs isn't going away, any more than the market for 
> rangefinders went away six decades ago. It will shrink, but a small company 
> with limited infrastructure demands will do quite well serving that market. 
> Pentax is very well positioned to just keep doing what it does.
> Jumping into mirrorless would be following the lemmings over the cliff.
> 
> 
> bill
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/15/2020 9:32 PM, Alan C wrote:
>> I've tried to respond to Rick's comment three times but it somehow doesn't 
>> get to the PDML. Now I've tries some heavy pruning.
>> Pentax did venture into the mirrorless realm with the K-01, essentially a 
>> k-mount mirrorless K5 - much bigger than a 4/3. Brian Walters feels it was a 
>> missed opportunity since, without an EVF, it had to be used in Live View. He 
>> found that one of those clip-on turret viewfinders didn't really solve the 
>> problem. I looked for a S/H K-01 body in SA a couple of years ago but found 
>> they were asking more than a K5!
>> Alan C
>> On 15-Nov-20 04:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
>>> I suspect that the decision to concentrate on DSLRs was driven by scarcity 
>>> of capital, not scarcity of desire to make a mirrorless body.
>>> 
> 
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[Alan C]

Well said, Bill! Sounds good for Pentax.

Alan C

On 16-Nov-20 06:41 PM, Bill wrote:
Pentax has become an also ran in the (D)SLR market. They would already 
be an also ran in the mirrorless camera market if they introduced a 
camera last March (8 months ago).
They have nothing to gain by going after a market that is already 
saturated, especially with camera sales in freefall.
Sony is in the process of getting out of the SLR business to 
concentrate on mirrorless, Canon will probably follow suit, dropping 
the EOS SLR line entirely and forcing EF users into the RF mount with 
an adapter.
Nikon will probably try to stay in the SLR market, but they are, at 
the moment, on the ropes and punch drunk.
If, as I predict, Sony and Canon leave the SLR market, that will leave 
it to Nikon and Pentax, with Nikon more than likley only supporting 
DSLRs with their very top end cameras.
Canon, Nikon and Sony are in deep shit because they have huge 
infrastructures with an increasingly small market to serve. Their 
entire business model has been based on selling lots of cheap cameras 
to consumers with a rapid product line renewal to keep it's customers 
on a buying hamster wheel.
The market for SLRs isn't going away, any more than the market for 
rangefinders went away six decades ago. It will shrink, but a small 
company with limited infrastructure demands will do quite well serving 
that market. Pentax is very well positioned to just keep doing what it 
does.

Jumping into mirrorless would be following the lemmings over the cliff.


bill



On 11/15/2020 9:32 PM, Alan C wrote:
I've tried to respond to Rick's comment three times but it somehow 
doesn't get to the PDML. Now I've tries some heavy pruning.


Pentax did venture into the mirrorless realm with the K-01, 
essentially a k-mount mirrorless K5 - much bigger than a 4/3. Brian 
Walters feels it was a missed opportunity since, without an EVF, it 
had to be used in Live View. He found that one of those clip-on 
turret viewfinders didn't really solve the problem. I looked for a 
S/H K-01 body in SA a couple of years ago but found they were asking 
more than a K5!


Alan C

On 15-Nov-20 04:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
I suspect that the decision to concentrate on DSLRs was driven by 
scarcity of capital, not scarcity of desire to make a mirrorless body.











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Re: Pentax Mirrorless

[Bill]

Pentax has become an also ran in the (D)SLR market. They would already 
be an also ran in the mirrorless camera market if they introduced a 
camera last March (8 months ago).
They have nothing to gain by going after a market that is already 
saturated, especially with camera sales in freefall.
Sony is in the process of getting out of the SLR business to concentrate 
on mirrorless, Canon will probably follow suit, dropping the EOS SLR 
line entirely and forcing EF users into the RF mount with an adapter.
Nikon will probably try to stay in the SLR market, but they are, at the 
moment, on the ropes and punch drunk.
If, as I predict, Sony and Canon leave the SLR market, that will leave 
it to Nikon and Pentax, with Nikon more than likley only supporting 
DSLRs with their very top end cameras.
Canon, Nikon and Sony are in deep shit because they have huge 
infrastructures with an increasingly small market to serve. Their entire 
business model has been based on selling lots of cheap cameras to 
consumers with a rapid product line renewal to keep it's customers on a 
buying hamster wheel.
The market for SLRs isn't going away, any more than the market for 
rangefinders went away six decades ago. It will shrink, but a small 
company with limited infrastructure demands will do quite well serving 
that market. Pentax is very well positioned to just keep doing what it does.

Jumping into mirrorless would be following the lemmings over the cliff.


bill



On 11/15/2020 9:32 PM, Alan C wrote:
I've tried to respond to Rick's comment three times but it somehow 
doesn't get to the PDML. Now I've tries some heavy pruning.


Pentax did venture into the mirrorless realm with the K-01, essentially 
a k-mount mirrorless K5 - much bigger than a 4/3. Brian Walters feels it 
was a missed opportunity since, without an EVF, it had to be used in 
Live View. He found that one of those clip-on turret viewfinders didn't 
really solve the problem. I looked for a S/H K-01 body in SA a couple of 
years ago but found they were asking more than a K5!


Alan C

On 15-Nov-20 04:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
I suspect that the decision to concentrate on DSLRs was driven by 
scarcity of capital, not scarcity of desire to make a mirrorless body.








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Pentax Mirrorless

[Alan C]

I've tried to respond to Rick's comment three times but it somehow 
doesn't get to the PDML. Now I've tries some heavy pruning.


Pentax did venture into the mirrorless realm with the K-01, essentially 
a k-mount mirrorless K5 - much bigger than a 4/3. Brian Walters feels it 
was a missed opportunity since, without an EVF, it had to be used in 
Live View. He found that one of those clip-on turret viewfinders didn't 
really solve the problem. I looked for a S/H K-01 body in SA a couple of 
years ago but found they were asking more than a K5!


Alan C

On 15-Nov-20 04:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
I suspect that the decision to concentrate on DSLRs was driven by 
scarcity of capital, not scarcity of desire to make a mirrorless body.





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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling"

If it weren't such a technical tour de force the Auto 110 would have
been a joke as well, and interchangeable lens camera aimed directly
the same market segment. I just don't think that the market allows
this kind of quirkiness these days.



I'm sure the market "allows" it. Might not reward it, but it "allows" it.



On 2/4/2011 9:53 AM, Mark Robertswrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob W wrote:


'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the
least bit' would be another five.

I hope Mark! is interested in that.

Oh my, yes.

And by the way, I agree with the sentiment. This has to be some
kind of joke Pentax is playing on rumor-mongers: An
interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment that's
least interested in interchangeable lenses.




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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Steven Desjardins]

You mean like brightly colored DSLRs.  ;-)  Again, I think these
things might sell in Japan, which is just fine with Pentax.  No expert
opinion here, just my noting the Japanese fetish with technogoodies
over the years.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Dario Bonazza
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> Mark Robertswrote:
>
>> An interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment
>> that's least interested in interchangeable lenses.
>
> Mark! (and my thought exactly)
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Dario Bonazza]

Mark Robertswrote:


An interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment
that's least interested in interchangeable lenses.


Mark! (and my thought exactly)

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RE: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Bob W]

> If it weren't such a technical tour de force the Auto 110 would have
> been a joke as well, and interchangeable lens camera aimed directly the
> same market segment.  I just don't think that the market allows this
> kind of quirkiness these days.

I suspect it does. Look at the interest the Fuji X100 has generated. There
are a lot of people out there looking for distinctive cameras. I even saw
someone buy on of those new Auto 110 lookalikes a couple of weeks ago, and
the buyer clearly hadn't a clue but wanted something different looking. 

The product lifecycle of cameras is so much shorter now than it was when
film was king, it seems as though the economics have changed enough for the
camera makers do even more wacky cameras now, without it being such a risk.

B


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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[P. J. Alling]

If it weren't such a technical tour de force the Auto 110 would have 
been a joke as well, and interchangeable lens camera aimed directly the 
same market segment.  I just don't think that the market allows this 
kind of quirkiness these days.


On 2/4/2011 9:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob W wrote:


'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would
be another five.

I hope Mark! is interested in that.

Oh my, yes.

And by the way, I agree with the sentiment. This has to be some kind
of joke Pentax is playing on rumor-mongers: An interchangeable-lens
camera aimed at the market segment that's least interested in
interchangeable lenses.




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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

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Mark Roberts wrote:

>Bob W wrote:
>
>>> 'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would
>>> be another five.
>>
>>I hope Mark! is interested in that.
>
>Oh my, yes.

And by the way, I agree with the sentiment. This has to be some kind
of joke Pentax is playing on rumor-mongers: An interchangeable-lens
camera aimed at the market segment that's least interested in
interchangeable lenses.
 
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Steven Desjardins]

Your going to really like that lens.  I have it on my E-P1.  That m43
package is very addictive.

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> Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> This is interesting and surprising:
>>
>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
>
> To me, it looks like a Chicken Little system. Not interesting at all.
> My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today.
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Steven Desjardins]

I'm with you here.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> I would like to see Pentax in the micro 4/3 arena. With a good image 
> processing engine, good lenses, and a good design team all they lack is 
> experience in building an EVF. And rather than creating a new niche mount, 
> sensor, etc, they would be competing in an arena with established standards 
> for mount and sensor. They probably couldn't compete on price or volume, but 
> they could compete on quality.
>
> stan
>
> On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Jim King wrote:
>
>>
>> Steven Desjardins wrote on Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:15:43 -0800
>>
>>> and surprising:
>>>
>>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
>>>
>>> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
>>> bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
>>> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
>>> all ;-)
>>
>>
>> I don't have any telephone to the future, but I'd be mighty surprised if 
>> this thing ever surfaces.  Pentax almost went broke trying to invent new 
>> market segments back in the day; I highly doubt that Hoya will let them 
>> chase after this particular rainbow.
>>
>> A new Pentax mirrorless with a larger sensor, OTOH, might just pop up 
>> sometime soon...
>>
>> Regards, Jim
>> __
>> Jim King
>> jamesk8...@mac.com
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Dario Bonazza]

Dario Bonazza wrote:


My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today.


Got it! Bunga bunga ;-)

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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

>> 'interesting' might be one word for it.  'Not in the least bit' would
>> be
>> another five.
>
>I hope Mark! is interested in that.

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[Bob W]

> 'interesting' might be one word for it.  'Not in the least bit' would
> be
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Michael Beacom]

M Mount, you say?
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2011/02/02/leica-lens-mount-module-for- 
ricoh-gxr-system/


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On Feb 4, 2011, at 12:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

I much rather migrate to Ricoh GXR system hoping that they will  
also introduce a K-mount module but even an M-mount will do for me  
nicely.


The system as described in this rumor seems very much like a still- 
born product to me.


Boris


On 2/4/2011 3:15 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

and surprising:
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with- 
ultratiny-sensor-5x/


There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Peter Loveday]

'interesting' might be one word for it.  'Not in the least bit' would be 
another five.


At least, not to me. Now if it were APS-C...

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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Thibouille]

Mmm it may work out, specially in Japan.
This more of a evolved P&S than anything else of course but if price
is right, why not.
My LX3 may find its replacement.

2011/2/4 Dario Bonazza :
> Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> This is interesting and surprising:
>>
>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
>
> To me, it looks like a Chicken Little system. Not interesting at all.
> My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today.
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Dario Bonazza]

Steven Desjardins wrote:


This is interesting and surprising:
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/


To me, it looks like a Chicken Little system. Not interesting at all.
My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today.

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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Boris Liberman]

I much rather migrate to Ricoh GXR system hoping that they will also 
introduce a K-mount module but even an M-mount will do for me nicely.


The system as described in this rumor seems very much like a still-born 
product to me.


Boris


On 2/4/2011 3:15 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

and surprising:
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/

There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Boris Liberman]

On 2/4/2011 6:32 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:

I would like to see Pentax in the micro 4/3 arena. With a good image
processing engine, good lenses, and a good design team all they lack
is experience in building an EVF. And rather than creating a new
niche mount, sensor, etc, they would be competing in an arena with
established standards for mount and sensor. They probably couldn't
compete on price or volume, but they could compete on quality.

stan


Unfortunately, as of recent "Pentax and Quality" don't ring together 
nicely... Oh, good old times, where are you?


/sigh/

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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Stan Halpin]

I would like to see Pentax in the micro 4/3 arena. With a good image processing 
engine, good lenses, and a good design team all they lack is experience in 
building an EVF. And rather than creating a new niche mount, sensor, etc, they 
would be competing in an arena with established standards for mount and sensor. 
They probably couldn't compete on price or volume, but they could compete on 
quality.

stan

On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Jim King wrote:

> 
> Steven Desjardins wrote on Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:15:43 -0800
> 
>> and surprising:
>> 
>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
>> 
>> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
>> bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
>> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
>> all ;-)
> 
> 
> I don't have any telephone to the future, but I'd be mighty surprised if this 
> thing ever surfaces.  Pentax almost went broke trying to invent new market 
> segments back in the day; I highly doubt that Hoya will let them chase after 
> this particular rainbow.
> 
> A new Pentax mirrorless with a larger sensor, OTOH, might just pop up 
> sometime soon...
> 
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

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Steven Desjardins wrote on Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:15:43 -0800

> and surprising:
> 
> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
> 
> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
> bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
> all ;-)


I don't have any telephone to the future, but I'd be mighty surprised if this 
thing ever surfaces.  Pentax almost went broke trying to invent new market 
segments back in the day; I highly doubt that Hoya will let them chase after 
this particular rainbow.

A new Pentax mirrorless with a larger sensor, OTOH, might just pop up sometime 
soon...

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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Larry Colen (Droid Mail)]

The goal of Pentax is to make money, not serious photographic tools.   There is 
much more market for a very small camera that is better than a cell phone than 
a great camera that is smaller than a K-x.

"Paul Stenquist"  wrote:

>More a novelty than a serious photographic tool I would think.
>
>On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> and surprising:
>>
>http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
>> 
>> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
>> bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
>> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
>> all ;-)
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Larry Colen (Droid Mail)]

Most people don't care about IQ as much as convenience, and in a few years the 
performance of small sensor systems should catch up with aps of not too long 
ago.  From a long term marketing view, its probably a good choice.
My credit card appreciqates that choice too.

"Steven Desjardins"  wrote:

>and surprising:
>http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
>
>There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
>bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
>japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
>all ;-)
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

[Paul Stenquist]

More a novelty than a serious photographic tool I would think.

On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> and surprising:
> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
> 
> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
> bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
> all ;-)
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Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting

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On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:15 -0500, "Steven Desjardins" 
wrote:
> and surprising:
> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/
> 
> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
> bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere.  (What do I, know after
> all ;-)
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This has been rumored for a while but it's interesting that the link
(above) mentions the Kenko Mirrorless System that I noticeed on another
site just this morning:

http://tinyurl.com/4r733tv

The Kenko (if it ever appears) is to use a C-mount.



 
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[Steven Desjardins]

and surprising:
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/

There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a
bigger sensor.  My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Cotty]

On 9/11/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>- Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean
>ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of
>simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design.

If this had a Pentax name on it, I would buy it. If it doesn't, I will
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>
>>
>> My reply:
>>
>> Ditto, and add a 28mm pancake and a couple zooms!
>
> How about being able to actually capture a moving object as seen you see it
> in the viewfinder?
> The EVFs that I've used are just about useless on non static subjects. You
> see the image, push the release and get a different image.
>
> For me this is a killer.
>

Solved problem as of the A33/A55, not eactly an issue with the m4/3
stuff either. Modern high-end EVF's only issue with action is with the
second shot, not the first.

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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[eckinator]

2010/11/9 Jaume Lahuerta :
>
> http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/

too bad they wasted the 110 designation on that meaningless i110 job... =(
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Steven Desjardins]

I like it.  just a little sight on the top like a rifle.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:06 AM, eckinator  wrote:
> 2010/11/9 Steven Desjardins :
>>
>> The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO.  Pentax already makes
>> small DSLRs.  They need something that has the appeal of a range
>> finder.  I'm hopeful on this one.
>
> my bets are on an ANVIL design - Absolutely No Viewfinder &
> Interchangeable Lens and it will be named the Pentax Shuffle ]=)
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

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- Original Message - 
From: "Dario Bonazza" 

Subject: Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !



Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder,
interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them:

- Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow
adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds.

- Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C
sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2.

- Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean
ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of
simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design.

My reply:

Ditto, and add a 28mm pancake and a couple zooms!


How about being able to actually capture a moving object as seen you see it 
in the viewfinder?
The EVFs that I've used are just about useless on non static subjects. You 
see the image, push the release and get a different image.


For me this is a killer.


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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Thibouille]

Yep John, exactly and this means (being realistic) that screwdrive
probably won't be supported and maybe even not aperture lever. It
would be very nice but don't count on it.


2010/11/9, John Francis :
> On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 07:37:53PM +0100, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder,
>> interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them:
>>
>> - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow
>> adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds.
>
> Only if they have an adapter that allows full use of K-mount lenses
> (or, at least, as much functionality as on the current DSLRs).
>
> Note that with DA lenses this would require a mechanical coupling
> to stop down the lens - there's no aperture ring on the lens itself.
> This capability would probably have to be provided by the adapter;
> I'd expect any totally new lens range to use a fully-electronic
> interface to the body - aperture and focus both implemented using
> in-lens motors.
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Miserere]

On 9 November 2010 04:57, Jaume Lahuerta  wrote:
> http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/
>
>
> Hold on, Miserere !!!
> ;-)

For whatever it's worth, Thom Hogan is predicting a mirrorless Pentax for 2011:

http://bythom.com/2011predictions.htm

He phrased the prediction in an interesting way:

"Mirrorless? Yes, though I don't know any details yet."

If I were into linguistics and reading between the lines (or line, in
this case), I'd say he knows for sure there is a mirrorless coming but
he doesn't know what the specs are.


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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Miserere]

On 9 November 2010 14:59, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Maybe just a DS with the mirror left out.

I hope not! There would be little benefit there.

This might be a viable option for K-x/K-r type bodies in the future
(actually, it's what I think WILL happen), but it doesn't take full
advantage of killing off the mirror. Before they go to a mirrorless
entry-level model, they need a MILC (Mirrorless Interchageable Lens
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Steven Desjardins]

Maybe just a DS with the mirror left out.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>>- Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera
>
> Not going to happen. I'd love it, too. But it ain't going to happen.
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>- Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera

Not going to happen. I'd love it, too. But it ain't going to happen.


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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Miserere]

On 9 November 2010 14:03, John Francis  wrote:
>
> Note that with DA lenses this would require a mechanical coupling
> to stop down the lens - there's no aperture ring on the lens itself.
> This capability would probably have to be provided by the adapter;
> I'd expect any totally new lens range to use a fully-electronic
> interface to the body - aperture and focus both implemented using
> in-lens motors.

Sony have an Alpha-to-NEX adapter that does this (auto stop down) so
it's possible. AF for SDM lenses should also be possible. AF for
screwmount lenses won't be possible and they'll have to be used in
manual focus. I don't see an issue with this--auto diaphragm stop down
is much more important IMHO than AF.

If Pentax don't release this adapter with the camera, they might as
well not release the camera at all. If they are smart about marketing
they will offer the adapter as a kit with the camera for a reduced
price.

I'm not holding my breath...


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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[John Francis]

On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 07:37:53PM +0100, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder,
> interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them:
>
> - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow
> adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds.

Only if they have an adapter that allows full use of K-mount lenses
(or, at least, as much functionality as on the current DSLRs).

Note that with DA lenses this would require a mechanical coupling
to stop down the lens - there's no aperture ring on the lens itself.
This capability would probably have to be provided by the adapter;
I'd expect any totally new lens range to use a fully-electronic
interface to the body - aperture and focus both implemented using
in-lens motors.


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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Dario Bonazza]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder,
interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them:

- Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow
adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds.

- Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C
sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2.

- Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean
ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of
simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design.

My reply:

Ditto, and add a 28mm pancake and a couple zooms!

Dario

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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Miserere]

On 9 November 2010 12:49, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder,
> interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them:
>
> - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow
> adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds.
>
> - Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C
> sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2.
>
> - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean
> ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of
> simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design.
>
> --
> Godfrey
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I agree with everything, except I'd like a 28/2 option too.

Godfrey, if anyone on this list can get Pentax's ear, that's gotta be
you. Although if the camera is going to be announced in February, all
the major design decisions have already been made.

Personally, I'd like a Samsung NX10 with a Sony sensor and Pentax
firmware. It's that easy! Or maybe "that hard"...


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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Charles Robinson]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:49, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean
> ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of
> simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design.
> 

Oh god, I'd just managed to put that camera out of my mind  *swoon*

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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO.  Pentax already makes
> small DSLRs.  They need something that has the appeal of a range
> finder.  I'm hopeful on this one.

I have a GF1 on my desk right now. Since I bought the E-5, I've been
debating whether to keep the G1 or trade it for a GF1 so as to have
more of a compact camera, to use with just one or two lenses, and a
friend might trade the GF1 for the G1 (since he's found he prefers the
G1 body over the G2 and GF1 and likes working in a two-body, different
prime lens on each mode).

So far, my biggest issue with the GF1 is that I keep trying to put the
camera to my eye. Turns out I use an eye-level viewfinder about 80 to
90 percent of the time when hand-holding a camera, *even* when I make
the final framing and exposure using the LCD or no viewfinder at all!
I often pick the camera to my eye just to 'remind myself' of the field
of view, then use it held for viewing the LCD or just looking at the
subject and pointing it.

If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder,
interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them:

- Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow
adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds.

- Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C
sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2.

- Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean
ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of
simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design.

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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Miserere]

On 9 November 2010 04:57, Jaume Lahuerta  wrote:
> http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/
>
>
> Hold on, Miserere !!!
> ;-)

Ha ha ha, I have nothing to hold on to!

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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[eckinator]

2010/11/9 Steven Desjardins :
>
> The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO.  Pentax already makes
> small DSLRs.  They need something that has the appeal of a range
> finder.  I'm hopeful on this one.

my bets are on an ANVIL design - Absolutely No Viewfinder &
Interchangeable Lens and it will be named the Pentax Shuffle ]=)

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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Steven Desjardins]

The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO.  Pentax already makes
small DSLRs.  They need something that has the appeal of a range
finder.  I'm hopeful on this one.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Jaume Lahuerta  wrote:
> http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/
>
>
> Hold on, Miserere !!!
> ;-)
>
>
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Pentax mirrorless in Spring !

[Jaume Lahuerta]

http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/


Hold on, Miserere !!!
;-)



  

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