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Paul Stenquist wrote: I think some of Vivian Meyers images are nice, but many are very ordinary. I think she got a lot of attention in part because it was a garage find. A trove of unknown work from a mysterious source. Even assuming your statement is true, that would be precisely the point: That even ordinary images can be of great interest or historical importance (or even simple popularity - there's nothing wrong with that) long after the fact. We can't judge now what future generations will deem significant. No one could have guessed at the time it was taken that that snapshot of Anne Frank (which is even more banal than anything Vivian Meyers took) would have become one of the icons of the 20th century. Countless other examples exist of photographs turning up of important people taken before they became famous, from Abraham Lincoln to John Lennon. Things, places or events that became significant after they were captured in banal snapshots (the Titanic). Even critical evidence about important events has turned up retrospectively in what were thought to be throwaway images. Someone may yet discover an old shoebox of photos with one that shows the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll (or a photo of JFK's assassination that clearly shows there *wasn't* anyone on the Grassy Knoll). I don't see anyone or anything being harmed by people archiving their mediocre images. One of them may contain the 3rd grade portrait of the guy who discovered the cure for Aids in the year 2050. And if it doesn't? No skin off my nose. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I think some of Vivian Meyers images are nice, but many are very ordinary. I think she got a lot of attention in part because it was a “garage find.” A trove of unknown work from a mysterious source. Even assuming your statement is true, that would be precisely the point: That even ordinary images can be of great interest or historical importance (or even simple popularity - there's nothing wrong with that) long after the fact. We can't judge now what future generations will deem significant. No one could have guessed at the time it was taken that that snapshot of Anne Frank (which is even more banal than anything Vivian Meyers took) would have become one of the icons of the 20th century. Countless other examples exist of photographs turning up of important people taken before they became famous, from Abraham Lincoln to John Lennon. Things, places or events that became significant after they were captured in banal snapshots (the Titanic). Even critical evidence about important events has turned up retrospectively in what were thought to be throwaway images. Someone may yet discover an old shoebox of photos with one that shows the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll (or a photo of JFK's assassination that clearly shows there *wasn't* anyone on the Grassy Knoll). I don't see anyone or anything being harmed by people archiving their mediocre images. One of them may contain the 3rd grade portrait of the guy who discovered the cure for Aids in the year 2050. And if it doesn't? No skin off my nose. — I agree. Much of photography is of interest because it provides a historical record. A very small amount of that is artful. Both types are of value and worthy of preservation. My hope is that Grace will someday be a woman of accomplishment and that long after I’m gone, someone will be pleased that I recorded her childhood. Even if it’s only her children. My point about the Meyers work, which someone held up as an example of art rescued, is merely that there was heightened interest due to the way it was discovered and the personal history of the person who took the photos. Nothing wrong with that, and I enjoyed perusing galleries of her photos, but I doubt that future generations will judge the overall body of her work as artful. Then again, I could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time. But only time will tell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On February 5, 2014 9:39:15 AM EST, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I think some of Vivian Meyers images are nice, but many are very ordinary. I think she got a lot of attention in part because it was a “garage find.” A trove of unknown work from a mysterious source. Even assuming your statement is true, that would be precisely the point: That even ordinary images can be of great interest or historical importance (or even simple popularity - there's nothing wrong with that) long after the fact. We can't judge now what future generations will deem significant. No one could have guessed at the time it was taken that that snapshot of Anne Frank (which is even more banal than anything Vivian Meyers took) would have become one of the icons of the 20th century. Countless other examples exist of photographs turning up of important people taken before they became famous, from Abraham Lincoln to John Lennon. Things, places or events that became significant after they were captured in banal snapshots (the Titanic). Even critical evidence about important events has turned up retrospectively in what were thought to be throwaway images. Someone may yet discover an old shoebox of photos with one that shows the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll (or a photo of JFK's assassination that clearly shows there *wasn't* anyone on the Grassy Knoll). I don't see anyone or anything being harmed by people archiving their mediocre images. One of them may contain the 3rd grade portrait of the guy who discovered the cure for Aids in the year 2050. And if it doesn't? No skin off my nose. — I agree. Much of photography is of interest because it provides a historical record. A very small amount of that is artful. Both types are of value and worthy of preservation. My hope is that Grace will someday be a woman of accomplishment and that long after I’m gone, someone will be pleased that I recorded her childhood. Even if it’s only her children. My point about the Meyers work, which someone held up as an example of art rescued, is merely that there was heightened interest due to the way it was discovered and the personal history of the person who took the photos. Nothing wrong with that, and I enjoyed perusing galleries of her photos, but I doubt that future generations will judge the overall body of her work as artful. Then again, I could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time. But only time will tell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Any chance we can spell Vivian's surname correctly? For posterity's sake, I suppose. It's Maier. I've been waiting for 1/2 hour in a snowy parking lot for the supermarket to open, after driving through today's storm, so forgive me for being grumpy. Returning to the original topic, it took me months (years?) to get my mum to download photos from her card to the computer--the process seemed too complicated to her. Still today I sometimes get calls because her pictures disappeared while she was trying to download them and I must fix the issue for her, which isn't easy seeing as she's on the other side of the Atlantic from me. Kudos goes to Sandisk more than Pentax in this story, by the way. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts [...] No one could have guessed at the time it was taken that that snapshot of Anne Frank (which is even more banal than anything Vivian Meyers took) would have become one of the icons of the 20th century. Countless other examples exist of photographs turning up of important people taken before they became famous, from Abraham Lincoln to John Lennon. Things, places or events that became significant after they were captured in banal snapshots (the Titanic). Even critical evidence about important events has turned up retrospectively in what were thought to be throwaway images. Someone may yet discover an old shoebox of photos with one that shows the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll (or a photo of JFK's assassination that clearly shows there *wasn't* anyone on the Grassy Knoll). I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. In the background you can clearly see that they're sailing past the grassy knoll just as shots ring out. You can also see that one of their groupies is... Anne Frank! On the back it's stamped Photo: Meyers (Chicago). It wasn't very well composed, and I don't think anyone would find it interesting, so I chucked it in the bin. B I don't see anyone or anything being harmed by people archiving their mediocre images. One of them may contain the 3rd grade portrait of the guy who discovered the cure for Aids in the year 2050. And if it doesn't? No skin off my nose. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On February 5, 2014 9:39:15 AM EST, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I think some of Vivian Meyers images are nice, but many are very ordinary. I think she got a lot of attention in part because it was a “garage find.” A trove of unknown work from a mysterious source. Even assuming your statement is true, that would be precisely the point: That even ordinary images can be of great interest or historical importance (or even simple popularity - there's nothing wrong with that) long after the fact. We can't judge now what future generations will deem significant. No one could have guessed at the time it was taken that that snapshot of Anne Frank (which is even more banal than anything Vivian Meyers took) would have become one of the icons of the 20th century. Countless other examples exist of photographs turning up of important people taken before they became famous, from Abraham Lincoln to John Lennon. Things, places or events that became significant after they were captured in banal snapshots (the Titanic). Even critical evidence about important events has turned up retrospectively in what were thought to be throwaway images. Someone may yet discover an old shoebox of photos with one that shows the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll (or a photo of JFK's assassination that clearly shows there *wasn't* anyone on the Grassy Knoll). I don't see anyone or anything being harmed by people archiving their mediocre images. One of them may contain the 3rd grade portrait of the guy who discovered the cure for Aids in the year 2050. And if it doesn't? No skin off my nose. — I agree. Much of photography is of interest because it provides a historical record. A very small amount of that is artful. Both types are of value and worthy of preservation. My hope is that Grace will someday be a woman of accomplishment and that long after I’m gone, someone will be pleased that I recorded her childhood. Even if it’s only her children. My point about the Meyers work, which someone held up as an example of art rescued, is merely that there was heightened interest due to the way it was discovered and the personal history of the person who took the photos. Nothing wrong with that, and I enjoyed perusing galleries of her photos, but I doubt that future generations will judge the overall body of her work as artful. Then again, I could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time. But only time will tell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Any chance we can spell Vivian's surname correctly? No. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't sell yourself short Bill, some of your photos can always be used as horrible examples... Since I never destroy any image I shoot, at least not on purpose, I expect that my hard drives, should anyone be bored enough to bother, will supply a lot of; WTF did he take a picture of that for?; moments. On 2/4/2014 2:05 PM, Bill wrote: On 04/02/2014 12:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Can you say 'Hello Vivian Meyers' You could also say Hello to many, I am sure, millions, of people who's imagery is as unimportant as a cold dog turd. My pictures are probably a poster child for unimportant images. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. One never knows what the future will value. One of those boring pictures could be the Anne Frank of the 21st century. Ann Frank's was a glowing story of pathos, and surely a tragedy, but she was just one of millions of people whose lives were destroyed by WWII, and is no more, or less important than anyone else. The world would not be an exceptionally different place had her diary been destroyed along with her, and pictures of her would then be those of just another nameless little girl who was swallowed up by the forces of evil. Perhaps I'm a bit of a heretic, but really, most pictures are almost always of little more than passing interest, even to the person who took them, are generally boring, and are not worthy of any preservation efforts whatsoever. With the pox on photography that is the digital era, preserving everything captured by a sensor diminishes anything captured by a sensor, and considering how little importance even the most important images have, pretty much every image is valueless. Most people seem to realize this, and treat their pictures for what they are, which is digital ephemera, to be kept until it is unhandy to store them, and then send them to the digital version of hell to be thankfully forgotten. bill -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/5/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. But a great Bass fisherman by all accounts... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.J. Alling Sent: 05 February 2014 16:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On 2/5/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. But a great Bass fisherman by all accounts... You used to be able to buy a lovely bottle of Bass from Suzon behind the bar at the Folies Bergeres. Those were the days. http://www.courtauld.ac.uk/gallery/collections/paintings/imppostimp/manet/f oliesbergere/index.shtml B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.J. Alling Sent: 05 February 2014 16:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On 2/5/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. But a great Bass fisherman by all accounts... You used to be able to buy a lovely bottle of Bass from Suzon behind the bar at the Folies Bergeres. Those were the days. I hear they closed the place down after a drunken brawl between John Lennon and Abraham Lincoln. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.J. Alling Sent: 05 February 2014 16:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On 2/5/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. But a great Bass fisherman by all accounts... You used to be able to buy a lovely bottle of Bass from Suzon behind the bar at the Folies Bergeres. Those were the days. I hear they closed the place down after a drunken brawl between John Lennon and Abraham Lincoln. Some say Abe had trouble keeping his hands of Yoko. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 05 February 2014 16:54 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.J. Alling Sent: 05 February 2014 16:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On 2/5/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. But a great Bass fisherman by all accounts... You used to be able to buy a lovely bottle of Bass from Suzon behind the bar at the Folies Bergeres. Those were the days. I hear they closed the place down after a drunken brawl between John Lennon and Abraham Lincoln. Here's a picture of the secret service on sniper watch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pierre-Auguste_Renoir,_La_loge_(The_Theate r_Box).jpg B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.J. Alling Sent: 05 February 2014 16:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On 2/5/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. But a great Bass fisherman by all accounts... You used to be able to buy a lovely bottle of Bass from Suzon behind the bar at the Folies Bergeres. Those were the days. I hear they closed the place down after a drunken brawl between John Lennon and Abraham Lincoln. Some say Abe had trouble keeping his hands of Yoko. It is the bearded ones that cause trouble. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.J. Alling Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On 2/5/2014 10:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: I found a snapshot in my loft of Abraham Lincoln and John Lennon when they were the house band on the Titanic. Abraham Lincoln: Worst bass player ever. But a great Bass fisherman by all accounts... You used to be able to buy a lovely bottle of Bass from Suzon behind the bar at the Folies Bergeres. Those were the days. I hear they closed the place down after a drunken brawl between John Lennon and Abraham Lincoln. Some say Abe had trouble keeping his hands of Yoko. O NO -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Never trust a guy with a beard... :] -p On 2/5/2014 12:00 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: It is the bearded ones that cause trouble. stan -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 3, 2014, at 21:16 , knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Of course the camera was no longer in working condition, but still an amazing story. 1,000 pix over 5 years? Geez, Larry shoots that much in a night of swing dancing (but only posts 500 of the good ones). LOL! I was thinking the same thing: 1,000 photos over 5 years. And do you suppose she'd ever downloaded any of them to a computer? Nah, I'll just keep them here on the camera so I can share them with people when I meet them. I don't get it Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... 1065 images returned to their rightful owner. http://petapixel.com/2014/02/02/lake-tahoe-fisherman-pulls-long-lost-camera-finds-5-years-photos-still-intact/ -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 04/02/2014 9:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: I was thinking the same thing: 1,000 photos over 5 years. And do you suppose she'd ever downloaded any of them to a computer? Nah, I'll just keep them here on the camera so I can share them with people when I meet them. I don't get it It's how some people roll. When I was working in photo labs it was quite amazing how many people didn't empty their card onto a computer and would only take the card out of the camera when they had to put it into a kiosk to make prints for friends. It wasn't unusual to have a customer make prints so that they could delete the files to free up room on the card so that they could keep shooting, and were continuously deleting bad or older files to make room for new ones. Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 4, 2014, at 09:34 , Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. Hey, I resemble that remark. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/02/2014 9:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: I was thinking the same thing: 1,000 photos over 5 years. And do you suppose she'd ever downloaded any of them to a computer? Nah, I'll just keep them here on the camera so I can share them with people when I meet them. I don't get it It's how some people roll. When I was working in photo labs it was quite amazing how many people didn't empty their card onto a computer and would only take the card out of the camera when they had to put it into a kiosk to make prints for friends. It wasn't unusual to have a customer make prints so that they could delete the files to free up room on the card so that they could keep shooting, and were continuously deleting bad or older files to make room for new ones. Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. Then it stands to reason that the very best adjusted folks are those who when passing you will stop, look intently at you and adopt a stance, hold their empty hands together and shape their fingers to describe a rectangular box, then say Click! Kazeeek! and walk on. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. One never knows what the future will value. One of those boring pictures could be the Anne Frank of the 21st century. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/4/2014 10:34 AM, Bill wrote: On 04/02/2014 9:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: I was thinking the same thing: 1,000 photos over 5 years. And do you suppose she'd ever downloaded any of them to a computer? Nah, I'll just keep them here on the camera so I can share them with people when I meet them. I don't get it It's how some people roll. When I was working in photo labs it was quite amazing how many people didn't empty their card onto a computer and would only take the card out of the camera when they had to put it into a kiosk to make prints for friends. It wasn't unusual to have a customer make prints so that they could delete the files to free up room on the card so that they could keep shooting, and were continuously deleting bad or older files to make room for new ones. Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. bill At least it was a 4GB card. When I was running the photo-lab I had a woman come in with over 500 hundred photos from a Once In A Lifetime cruise of the Greek Isles Istanbul on a single 256k card. They looked Ok on the little TV screen on the back of the camera, but were such low quality I couldn't even make a decent 4x6 print out of them. Of course, it was all *MY* fault. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Can you say 'Hello Vivian Meyers' On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. One never knows what the future will value. One of those boring pictures could be the Anne Frank of the 21st century. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 04/02/2014 12:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Can you say 'Hello Vivian Meyers' You could also say Hello to many, I am sure, millions, of people who's imagery is as unimportant as a cold dog turd. My pictures are probably a poster child for unimportant images. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. One never knows what the future will value. One of those boring pictures could be the Anne Frank of the 21st century. Ann Frank's was a glowing story of pathos, and surely a tragedy, but she was just one of millions of people whose lives were destroyed by WWII, and is no more, or less important than anyone else. The world would not be an exceptionally different place had her diary been destroyed along with her, and pictures of her would then be those of just another nameless little girl who was swallowed up by the forces of evil. Perhaps I'm a bit of a heretic, but really, most pictures are almost always of little more than passing interest, even to the person who took them, are generally boring, and are not worthy of any preservation efforts whatsoever. With the pox on photography that is the digital era, preserving everything captured by a sensor diminishes anything captured by a sensor, and considering how little importance even the most important images have, pretty much every image is valueless. Most people seem to realize this, and treat their pictures for what they are, which is digital ephemera, to be kept until it is unhandy to store them, and then send them to the digital version of hell to be thankfully forgotten. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: My pictures are probably a poster child for unimportant images. Mark! Perhaps I'm a bit of a heretic, but really, most pictures are almost always of little more than passing interest, even to the person who took them, are generally boring, and are not worthy of any preservation efforts whatsoever. With the pox on photography that is the digital era, preserving everything captured by a sensor diminishes anything captured by a sensor, and considering how little importance even the most important images have, pretty much every image is valueless. Most people seem to realize this, and treat their pictures for what they are, which is digital ephemera, to be kept until it is unhandy to store them, and then send them to the digital version of hell to be thankfully forgotten. Sigh, and I was feeling so optimistic today. I believe I shall dub you Buzzkill Bill. :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think some of Vivian Meyers images are nice, but many are very ordinary. I think she got a lot of attention in part because it was a “garage find.” A trove of unknown work from a mysterious source. Paul On Feb 4, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Can you say 'Hello Vivian Meyers' On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. One never knows what the future will value. One of those boring pictures could be the Anne Frank of the 21st century. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Pentax camera caught by Lake Tahoe fisherman On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/02/2014 9:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: I was thinking the same thing: 1,000 photos over 5 years. And do you suppose she'd ever downloaded any of them to a computer? Nah, I'll just keep them here on the camera so I can share them with people when I meet them. I don't get it It's how some people roll. When I was working in photo labs it was quite amazing how many people didn't empty their card onto a computer and would only take the card out of the camera when they had to put it into a kiosk to make prints for friends. It wasn't unusual to have a customer make prints so that they could delete the files to free up room on the card so that they could keep shooting, and were continuously deleting bad or older files to make room for new ones. Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. Then it stands to reason that the very best adjusted folks are those who when passing you will stop, look intently at you and adopt a stance, hold their empty hands together and shape their fingers to describe a rectangular box, then say Click! Kazeeek! and walk on. -- -bmw Makes sense. Why waste pixels when we all know the best images have already been taken by the pros! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4 Feb 2014, at 19:05, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/02/2014 12:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: [...] Perhaps I'm a bit of a heretic, but really, most pictures are almost always of little more than passing interest, even to the person who took them, are generally boring, and are not worthy of any preservation efforts whatsoever. With the pox on photography that is the digital era, preserving everything captured by a sensor diminishes anything captured by a sensor, and considering how little importance even the most important images have, pretty much every image is valueless. Most people seem to realize this, and treat their pictures for what they are, which is digital ephemera, to be kept until it is unhandy to store them, and then send them to the digital version of hell to be thankfully forgotten. In the long run, as someone once said, we're all dead. Then everything is valueless. While it's certainly true that the overwhelming majority of pictures have no value beyond their immediate use, it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that therefore they are all valueless. At any given time in history, and pre-history, far more pictures, or works of art by whatever definition anyone chooses, are made than will ever survive, and most of them are crap, at all times. This is an important thing for people to remember when they are staring baffled at something in a gallery - it probably is exactly as crap and meaningless as you think it is; perhaps more so, because you probably know so little about art you don't even know how shit most of it is. Works that survive do so for 2 reasons. 1. Enough people think it has enough value to be worth preserving. Leonardo's work is a uncontroversial example; HCB's is another 2. It gets lucky, and outlives most if its contemporary crap, so that rarity gives it value and people invest in actively preserving it. Prehistoric cave paintings are an example; E J Belloc's photos are another. In the first instance, someone has to think it's at least worth giving the next person in the chain the opportunity of assessing its value for themselves. In the second, if we as humble photographers don't at least give our progeny a fighting chance, they will never outlive the rest of the crap, and we will never be posthumously famous. So I say, edit well and look after your back-ups; immortality will look after itself. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. One never knows what the future will value. One of those boring pictures could be the Anne Frank of the 21st century. Yes, but is anyone going to trawl through thousands of images on my hard drives looking for the few gems among the dross - which they'd fail to find, anyway... -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Amen to that Paul! Of course you and I were here in Chicago when Vivian Meyers was shooting... On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I think some of Vivian Meyers images are nice, but many are very ordinary. I think she got a lot of attention in part because it was a garage find. A trove of unknown work from a mysterious source. Paul On Feb 4, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Can you say 'Hello Vivian Meyers' On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Very few people are actually interested in this sort of stuff. Often I think they have better mental health. The people I truly wonder about are the ones who have their files backed up six ways from Sunday, like as if at some point in the future people will actually care about their boring pictures. One never knows what the future will value. One of those boring pictures could be the Anne Frank of the 21st century. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I think some of Vivian Meyers images are nice, but many are very ordinary. If you come across a photographer for whom this statement is NOT true, please let us know. We are almost only ever aware of what the photographer thinks of as their better work. The difference between the great photographers and the ordinary is simply the ratio of nice shots to ordinary (and most of us commoners probably aspire to something like 1 in 20). For the record, I find a very high percentage of the Vivian Maier's images (that I have seen) are much more than ordinary, but it is quite possible that her ratio of nice to ordinary was similar to that of others (and given her prodigious output, maybe even worse). -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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... 1065 images returned to their rightful owner. http://petapixel.com/2014/02/02/lake-tahoe-fisherman-pulls-long-lost-camera-finds-5-years-photos-still-intact/ From Yahoo's Odd News today (via PetaPixel). -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now THAT is good publicity. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... 1065 images returned to their rightful owner. http://petapixel.com/2014/02/02/lake-tahoe-fisherman-pulls-long-lost-camera-finds-5-years-photos-still-intact/ From Yahoo's Odd News today (via PetaPixel). -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Of course the camera was no longer in working condition, but still an amazing story. 1,000 pix over 5 years? Geez, Larry shoots that much in a night of swing dancing (but only posts 500 of the good ones). LOL! Cheers, frank Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ... 1065 images returned to their rightful owner. http://petapixel.com/2014/02/02/lake-tahoe-fisherman-pulls-long-lost-camera-finds-5-years-photos-still-intact/ From Yahoo's Odd News today (via PetaPixel). “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
