Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On 9/11/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design. If this had a Pentax name on it, I would buy it. If it doesn't, I will buy the Fuji. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
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Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO. Pentax already makes small DSLRs. They need something that has the appeal of a range finder. I'm hopeful on this one. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/ Hold on, Miserere !!! ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
2010/11/9 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO. Pentax already makes small DSLRs. They need something that has the appeal of a range finder. I'm hopeful on this one. my bets are on an ANVIL design - Absolutely No Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens and it will be named the Pentax Shuffle ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On 9 November 2010 04:57, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/ Hold on, Miserere !!! ;-) Ha ha ha, I have nothing to hold on to! -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO. Pentax already makes small DSLRs. They need something that has the appeal of a range finder. I'm hopeful on this one. I have a GF1 on my desk right now. Since I bought the E-5, I've been debating whether to keep the G1 or trade it for a GF1 so as to have more of a compact camera, to use with just one or two lenses, and a friend might trade the GF1 for the G1 (since he's found he prefers the G1 body over the G2 and GF1 and likes working in a two-body, different prime lens on each mode). So far, my biggest issue with the GF1 is that I keep trying to put the camera to my eye. Turns out I use an eye-level viewfinder about 80 to 90 percent of the time when hand-holding a camera, *even* when I make the final framing and exposure using the LCD or no viewfinder at all! I often pick the camera to my eye just to 'remind myself' of the field of view, then use it held for viewing the LCD or just looking at the subject and pointing it. If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them: - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds. - Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2. - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:49, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design. Oh god, I'd just managed to put that camera out of my mind *swoon* -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On 9 November 2010 12:49, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them: - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds. - Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2. - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com I agree with everything, except I'd like a 28/2 option too. Godfrey, if anyone on this list can get Pentax's ear, that's gotta be you. Although if the camera is going to be announced in February, all the major design decisions have already been made. Personally, I'd like a Samsung NX10 with a Sony sensor and Pentax firmware. It's that easy! Or maybe that hard... --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them: - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds. - Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2. - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design. My reply: Ditto, and add a 28mm pancake and a couple zooms! Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 07:37:53PM +0100, Dario Bonazza wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them: - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds. Only if they have an adapter that allows full use of K-mount lenses (or, at least, as much functionality as on the current DSLRs). Note that with DA lenses this would require a mechanical coupling to stop down the lens - there's no aperture ring on the lens itself. This capability would probably have to be provided by the adapter; I'd expect any totally new lens range to use a fully-electronic interface to the body - aperture and focus both implemented using in-lens motors. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On 9 November 2010 14:03, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: Note that with DA lenses this would require a mechanical coupling to stop down the lens - there's no aperture ring on the lens itself. This capability would probably have to be provided by the adapter; I'd expect any totally new lens range to use a fully-electronic interface to the body - aperture and focus both implemented using in-lens motors. Sony have an Alpha-to-NEX adapter that does this (auto stop down) so it's possible. AF for SDM lenses should also be possible. AF for screwmount lenses won't be possible and they'll have to be used in manual focus. I don't see an issue with this--auto diaphragm stop down is much more important IMHO than AF. If Pentax don't release this adapter with the camera, they might as well not release the camera at all. If they are smart about marketing they will offer the adapter as a kit with the camera for a reduced price. I'm not holding my breath... --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera Not going to happen. I'd love it, too. But it ain't going to happen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
Maybe just a DS with the mirror left out. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera Not going to happen. I'd love it, too. But it ain't going to happen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On 9 November 2010 14:59, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe just a DS with the mirror left out. I hope not! There would be little benefit there. This might be a viable option for K-x/K-r type bodies in the future (actually, it's what I think WILL happen), but it doesn't take full advantage of killing off the mirror. Before they go to a mirrorless entry-level model, they need a MILC (Mirrorless Interchageable Lens Compact). --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On 9 November 2010 04:57, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote: http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/ Hold on, Miserere !!! ;-) For whatever it's worth, Thom Hogan is predicting a mirrorless Pentax for 2011: http://bythom.com/2011predictions.htm He phrased the prediction in an interesting way: Mirrorless? Yes, though I don't know any details yet. If I were into linguistics and reading between the lines (or line, in this case), I'd say he knows for sure there is a mirrorless coming but he doesn't know what the specs are. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
Yep John, exactly and this means (being realistic) that screwdrive probably won't be supported and maybe even not aperture lever. It would be very nice but don't count on it. 2010/11/9, John Francis jo...@panix.com: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 07:37:53PM +0100, Dario Bonazza wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them: - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds. Only if they have an adapter that allows full use of K-mount lenses (or, at least, as much functionality as on the current DSLRs). Note that with DA lenses this would require a mechanical coupling to stop down the lens - there's no aperture ring on the lens itself. This capability would probably have to be provided by the adapter; I'd expect any totally new lens range to use a fully-electronic interface to the body - aperture and focus both implemented using in-lens motors. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it Subject: Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring ! Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If Pentax is going to get involved with an all electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens camera, I'd love to see them: - Design it as a NEW line with a short lens mount register to allow adaptability to many lenses, like with Micro-FourThirds. - Deliver it with a trio of fast, prime lenses ... For an APS-C sensor, a nice trio IMO would be 21/2, 43/1.4, 65/2. - Put a nice, trim eye-level viewfinder IN the camera and clean ergonomics and shape. The Fuji X100's body and controls are a model of simple, attractive, easy to figure out, easy to remember design. My reply: Ditto, and add a 28mm pancake and a couple zooms! How about being able to actually capture a moving object as seen you see it in the viewfinder? The EVFs that I've used are just about useless on non static subjects. You see the image, push the release and get a different image. For me this is a killer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
I like it. just a little sight on the top like a rifle. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:06 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/9 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: The GF1/E-P1 design is the best route IMHO. Pentax already makes small DSLRs. They need something that has the appeal of a range finder. I'm hopeful on this one. my bets are on an ANVIL design - Absolutely No Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens and it will be named the Pentax Shuffle ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
2010/11/9 Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com: http://k-rumors.com/k4-pentax-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-february-2011/ too bad they wasted the 110 designation on that meaningless i110 job... =( ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax mirrorless in Spring !
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: My reply: Ditto, and add a 28mm pancake and a couple zooms! How about being able to actually capture a moving object as seen you see it in the viewfinder? The EVFs that I've used are just about useless on non static subjects. You see the image, push the release and get a different image. For me this is a killer. Solved problem as of the A33/A55, not eactly an issue with the m4/3 stuff either. Modern high-end EVF's only issue with action is with the second shot, not the first. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
