RE: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com [...] Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever it makes perfect sense when you know that 'prove' used to mean 'test' (and still does in some contexts). B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever) but yours works. Actually it's not a stupid expression, just a misunderstood one (and you, Frank, with your legal background, ought to know about it). It's a legal maxim that dates back to Rome - the famed orator Cicero is the first know reference. Basically, it means that the act of specifying an exception to a rule proves that such a rule exists even if said rule isn't explicitly stated. Here's a concrete example: In many states in the U.S. traffic law allows you to make a right turn at a red light (after coming to a stop). But not all states permit this, so the issue when traveling across country is determining whether the state you're in allows it. The presence of a sign that says No right turn on red is what you look for. The exception (the sign that says No right turn on red) proves the rule (that in general you *can* turn right on red). This is from a Dictionary of Foreign Words and Phrases in Current English, by Alan Bliss (ISBN 9780415059053) via Cecil Adams and the Straight Dope: Cicero was defending one Bilbo. (No relation to Frodo.) Bilbo was a non-Roman who was accused of having been illegally granted Roman citizenship. The prosecutor argued that treaties with some non-Roman peoples explicitly prohibited them from becoming Roman citizens. The treaty with Bilbo's homeboys had no such clause, but the prosecutor suggested one should be inferred. Nonsense, said Cicero. Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi non sit exceptum ... Oops, I keep forgetting how rusty folks are on subjunctives. Cicero said, if you prohibit something in certain cases, you imply that the rest of the time it's permitted. To put it another way, the explicit statement of an exception proves that a rule to the contrary prevails otherwise. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: New work with the new camera: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/ Nice, i like the 'feel' here. Dave Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 22 January 2012 13:41 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever) but yours works. Actually it's not a stupid expression, just a misunderstood one (and you, Frank, with your legal background, ought to know about it). It's a legal maxim that dates back to Rome - the famed orator Cicero is the first know reference. Basically, it means that the act of specifying an exception to a rule proves that such a rule exists even if said rule isn't explicitly stated. Here's a concrete example: In many states in the U.S. traffic law allows you to make a right turn at a red light (after coming to a stop). But not all states permit this, so the issue when traveling across country is determining whether the state you're in allows it. The presence of a sign that says No right turn on red is what you look for. The exception (the sign that says No right turn on red) proves the rule (that in general you *can* turn right on red). This is from a Dictionary of Foreign Words and Phrases in Current English, by Alan Bliss (ISBN 9780415059053) via Cecil Adams and the Straight Dope: Cicero was defending one Bilbo. (No relation to Frodo.) Bilbo was a non-Roman who was accused of having been illegally granted Roman citizenship. The prosecutor argued that treaties with some non-Roman peoples explicitly prohibited them from becoming Roman citizens. The treaty with Bilbo's homeboys had no such clause, but the prosecutor suggested one should be inferred. Nonsense, said Cicero. Quod si exceptio facit ne liceat, ubi non sit exceptum ... Oops, I keep forgetting how rusty folks are on subjunctives. Cicero said, if you prohibit something in certain cases, you imply that the rest of the time it's permitted. To put it another way, the explicit statement of an exception proves that a rule to the contrary prevails otherwise. that's not the way I understand it, although I can understand your reasoning). My interpretation (given to me, coincidentally, by my pedantic Latin teacher, who was well versed in Cicero) is that in order to test (prove) a rule, you must use exceptions - in other words, exceptions test rules. If the rule says You can't come into this nightclub wearing trainers - that is, you can wear anyone footwear *except* trainers - and everybody who tries to get in is wearing glass court shoes, you haven't tested the rule. Trainers are the exception, so to test (prove) the rule someone has to try to get in wearing them. This principle works as well in software testing as it does in nocturnal doormanship. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
All very nice. And the polar bear shot is cleverly composed. Cheers, Christine On Jan 21, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: New work with the new camera: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/ Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
From: Mark Roberts knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever) but yours works. Actually it's not a stupid expression, just a misunderstood one (and you, Frank, with your legal background, ought to know about it). It's a legal maxim that dates back to Rome - the famed orator Cicero is the first know reference. Basically, it means that the act of specifying an exception to a rule proves that such a rule exists even if said rule isn't explicitly stated. Here's a concrete example: In many states in the U.S. traffic law allows you to make a right turn at a red light (after coming to a stop). But not all states permit this, so the issue when traveling across country is determining whether the state you're in allows it. The presence of a sign that says No right turn on red is what you look for. The exception (the sign that says No right turn on red) proves the rule (that in general you *can* turn right on red). FWIW, according to the driver training syllabus provided by the Army Safety Center before I retired, right turn on red was the law in all 50 states. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
wow On 21 Jan 2012, at 23:52, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I love your expression in the self portrait! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One must maintain a serious attitude... ;-) G On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I love your expression in the self portrait! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG
I recall a somewhat tongue-in-cheek street photography primer (I think it was posted here several years ago) admonishing us against taking photos of couples walking away from the camera. Perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule (that's actually one of the most stupid sayings ever) but yours works. Lovely photo. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com Sent: January 21, 2012 1/21/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: More: PESO 2012 - 006 (008, 009) - GDG On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: New work with the new camera: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/lightbox/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6737942645/ Oh yeah ... the traditional self portrait with new camera in mirror and pets. But I don't have any cats ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563787/lightbox/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/6738563605/lightbox/ enjoy G -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
