Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Thank you for your well considered comments Boris.

You know, I went back & had a look at the shots taken from that day,
and the very next frame was this same young man looking straight at
me, with that same bored look, which covers almost all the points you
raised.

http://tinyurl.com/daxag

I just preferred the one where he hadn't noticed me yet. I also like
that little face in the background, but to be honest I didn't notice
him looking at me at the time :-)


Dave, that's the great challenge of photography, I think... You got the 
motif right on the first shot and some probably less important technical 
issues on this one... What ideally should've been done is to combine 
both in one shot... I know I suffer from the same problem myself ;-).


Thanks for sharing...

Boris

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Charles Robinson]

On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:14, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


David Savage wrote:



Try this:



Dave

On 11/2/05, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Dave _ I couldnt get those to load at all

ann





nope - broken link again
go figure



FWIW: "Works for me!"

 -Charles

--
Charles Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Ann Sanfedele]

David Savage wrote:
> 
> Try this:
> 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 11/2/05, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dave _ I couldnt get those to load at all
> >
> > ann
> >
> >

nope - broken link again
go figure
a

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[frank theriault]

On 11/1/05, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you for your well considered comments Boris.
>
> You know, I went back & had a look at the shots taken from that day,
> and the very next frame was this same young man looking straight at
> me, with that same bored look, which covers almost all the points you
> raised.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/daxag
>
> I just preferred the one where he hadn't noticed me yet. I also like
> that little face in the background, but to be honest I didn't notice
> him looking at me at the time :-)
>

i like the first one.  in that one, he just looks bored.  in this one,
he looks uncomfortable, and one might wonder if that apparent
discomfort is because he noticed the camera, rather than mere boredom
from being in this parade.  this ambiguity dilutes what i see as the
main story of the photo.

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[David Savage]

Try this:



Dave


On 11/2/05, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dave _ I couldnt get those to load at all
>
> ann
>
>

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Ann Sanfedele]

Dave _ I couldnt get those to load at all

ann

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[David Savage]

Thank you sir.

Pick away (off list if you prefer) it's the best way to learn :-)

Dave

On 11/2/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> based on what's here, a little off the top might be helpful.  Otherwise
> it's a good photo - there's a strong sense of the foremost boy's discomfort
> or ennui, and a good representation of the small group as well.  There are
> any number of nits one could pick, but it's not a bad shot at all.
>
> Shel
> "You meet the nicest people with a Pentax"
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > Wrom: HDMNNSKVFVWR
>
> > Took this wy back in April (aside: Is it just me or has this year
> > flown by?) at the ANZAC day parade in Fremantle. I went to watch my
> > Grandfather & a family friend take part in the march, when I took
> > this:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/98wn9
> >
> > http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_015.htm
> >
> > I'm not generally a people picture taker :-). There are a few things I
> > could have done better, but I like it none the less.
>
>
>

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[David Savage]

LOL, don't tempt me Shel.

Clown feet I'm thinking

Dave

On 11/2/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, David can add some feet in Photoshop ;-))
>
> Shel
> "You meet the nicest people with a Pentax"

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[David Savage]

Thanks for your comments Bruce.

I was trying to include the flags in the background & I had to
sacrifice his feet. Probably if I had been standing I could have "shot
down" at the kids to include both the background flags and feet, but I
shot most of this parade as close to the ground as possible.

Dave

On 11/2/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not bad for a non-people shooter.  The biggest thing for me would have
> been to shifted the composition to include his feet and less of the
> sky.  At this point, all you could do is crop some of the sky.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[David Savage]

Thank you for your well considered comments Boris.

You know, I went back & had a look at the shots taken from that day,
and the very next frame was this same young man looking straight at
me, with that same bored look, which covers almost all the points you
raised.

http://tinyurl.com/daxag

I just preferred the one where he hadn't noticed me yet. I also like
that little face in the background, but to be honest I didn't notice
him looking at me at the time :-)

Thanks again.

Dave



On 11/2/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I agree with what Frank's said. It is this sense of being forced that
> can clearly be read on the boy's face... I think I would probably crop
> off somewhat on the left because half-person there is distracting... I
> don't mind half-person OOF, but the one on the left is too sharp ;-).
>
> Then there is a question of the boy on the background on the LHS,
> which looked at you when you took the picture. It probably means that
> you might have stepped a bit to the right so as to exclude the
> half-boy on the left and give more prominence to the boy on the back..
> This would add a bit of conflict between these two boys.
>
> I would also consider cropping some off the bottom... I generally
> dislike limbs that are neither fully in the frame nor fully out of
> it... But then again, I have this peculiar tendency to crop to
> square...
>
> And of course cropping is just another way of seeing which makes my
> comments somewhat irrelevant...
>
> As usual, Shel's advise comes to mind - make as many takes as possible
> while on location. Edit later - digital film does not cost money ;-).
>
> I should say - this is interesting picture to analyze...
>
> Well done!
>
>
> --
> Boris
>
>

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hey, David can add some feet in Photoshop ;-))

Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Not bad for a non-people shooter.  The biggest thing for me would have
> been to shifted the composition to include his feet and less of the
> sky.  At this point, all you could do is crop some of the sky.

> http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_015.htm

RE: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi,

based on what's here, a little off the top might be helpful.  Otherwise
it's a good photo - there's a strong sense of the foremost boy's discomfort
or ennui, and a good representation of the small group as well.  There are
any number of nits one could pick, but it's not a bad shot at all.

Shel 
"You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" 


> [Original Message]
> From: David Savage 

> Took this wy back in April (aside: Is it just me or has this year
> flown by?) at the ANZAC day parade in Fremantle. I went to watch my
> Grandfather & a family friend take part in the march, when I took
> this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/98wn9
>
> http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_015.htm
>
> I'm not generally a people picture taker :-). There are a few things I
> could have done better, but I like it none the less.

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Bruce Dayton]

Not bad for a non-people shooter.  The biggest thing for me would have
been to shifted the composition to include his feet and less of the
sky.  At this point, all you could do is crop some of the sky.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 3:48:56 AM, you wrote:

DS> G'day PDML'ers,

DS> Took this wy back in April (aside: Is it just me or has this year
DS> flown by?) at the ANZAC day parade in Fremantle. I went to watch my
DS> Grandfather & a family friend take part in the march, when I took
DS> this:

DS> http://tinyurl.com/98wn9

DS> http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_015.htm

DS> I'm not generally a people picture taker :-). There are a few things I
DS> could have done better, but I like it none the less.

DS> I'd be interested in others thoughts & comments.

DS> Dave

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> something about the look on the kid's face interests me.  it's like
> he's there because "he has to be".  he'd rather be with his buddies
> playing x-box or watching tv or something - anything! - but where he
> is.  but there he is, out of a sense of obligation.
>
> that's my take on it, anyway.
>
> i like it.

I agree with what Frank's said. It is this sense of being forced that
can clearly be read on the boy's face... I think I would probably crop
off somewhat on the left because half-person there is distracting... I
don't mind half-person OOF, but the one on the left is too sharp ;-).

Then there is a question of the boy on the background on the LHS,
which looked at you when you took the picture. It probably means that
you might have stepped a bit to the right so as to exclude the
half-boy on the left and give more prominence to the boy on the back..
This would add a bit of conflict between these two boys.

I would also consider cropping some off the bottom... I generally
dislike limbs that are neither fully in the frame nor fully out of
it... But then again, I have this peculiar tendency to crop to
square...

And of course cropping is just another way of seeing which makes my
comments somewhat irrelevant...

As usual, Shel's advise comes to mind - make as many takes as possible
while on location. Edit later - digital film does not cost money ;-).

I should say - this is interesting picture to analyze...

Well done!


--
Boris

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[David Savage]

Good call Frank. It is a very bored look. I guess he is just to young
to understand the significance of the day. I know I was when I was his
age.

Thanks for your comments.

Dave

On 11/1/05, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > http://tinyurl.com/98wn9
> >
> > http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_015.htm

> something about the look on the kid's face interests me.  it's like
> he's there because "he has to be".  he'd rather be with his buddies
> playing x-box or watching tv or something - anything! - but where he
> is.  but there he is, out of a sense of obligation.
>
> that's my take on it, anyway.
>
> i like it.
>
> -frank
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
>

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[David Savage]

Thanks for looking Paul,

I see what you mean & I though of doing it, but I would have lost the
flags in the background which I wanted to keep.

Dave

On 11/1/05, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice light and an interesting moment captured. I might like it cropped
> just above the tallest head. I think the tree background is a bit
> distracting and doesn't add much.
> Paul

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[frank theriault]

On 11/1/05, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day PDML'ers,
>
> Took this wy back in April (aside: Is it just me or has this year
> flown by?) at the ANZAC day parade in Fremantle. I went to watch my
> Grandfather & a family friend take part in the march, when I took
> this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/98wn9
>
> http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_015.htm
>
> I'm not generally a people picture taker :-). There are a few things I
> could have done better, but I like it none the less.
>
> I'd be interested in others thoughts & comments.
>

something about the look on the kid's face interests me.  it's like
he's there because "he has to be".  he'd rather be with his buddies
playing x-box or watching tv or something - anything! - but where he
is.  but there he is, out of a sense of obligation.

that's my take on it, anyway.

i like it.

-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: Little ANZAC

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice light and an interesting moment captured. I might like it cropped 
just above the tallest head. I think the tree background is a bit 
distracting and doesn't add much.

Paul
On Nov 1, 2005, at 6:48 AM, David Savage wrote:


G'day PDML'ers,

Took this wy back in April (aside: Is it just me or has this year
flown by?) at the ANZAC day parade in Fremantle. I went to watch my
Grandfather & a family friend take part in the march, when I took
this:

http://tinyurl.com/98wn9

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/PESO/peso_015.htm

I'm not generally a people picture taker :-). There are a few things I
could have done better, but I like it none the less.

I'd be interested in others thoughts & comments.

Dave