Re: Gmail quoting
On 12/04/2011 19:36, steve harley wrote: On 2011-04-12 10:46 , Matthew Hunt wrote: One possibility: The material Dan quoted appears below his signature. Some mail applications suppress quoting signatures (presumably everything after the --). that's exactly it; two hyphens is a standard (actually borrowed from Usenet) to denote a signature block; Dan combined top-posting with a signature line, which put the entire quoted material into the signature area; Ann's email client is trying to be efficient by stripping what it thinks are signatures when quoting for replies I had this (at the time) baffling behaviour with NS7.x some years ago. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting
On 2011-04-13 11:31, mike wilson wrote: that's exactly it; two hyphens is a standard (actually borrowed from Usenet) to denote a signature block; Dan combined top-posting with a signature line, which put the entire quoted material into the signature area; Ann's email client is trying to be efficient by stripping what it thinks are signatures when quoting for replies I had this (at the time) baffling behaviour with NS7.x some years ago. That's also one of the original arguments against top posting, for what it's worth. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
My mail is Netscape 7.0 Communicator... I have a pop server on road runner... but I seldom if ever go on line to use it.. I just download everything to my computer and don't leave it on line... everything comes in as plain text except some HTML is treated as an attachment. Not only doesn't it strip out everyting below someones signature line but I sometimes do that manually myself... I don't think it is stripping out anything below a sig line in the mail I'm getting from others... I have one good friend who uses gmail and am always annoyed taht when I get mail from her in response to something I wrote all I get is her response - which is very problimatical and I have to go back to my original mail and copy and paste it in to read it while I'm writing - having totally forgotten what I said. example - I write - I'll meet you at the corner of 5th and 34th at noon on saturday and the reply (that comes in hours later) says -- ok and nothing else. :-( ann Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: me too - but -- I wouldn't have replied just for a me too except... NOTE : all I did was hit reply -- Dan had replied including something of another poster's (Matthew Hunt's) comment.. but you will see that all that is below is Dan's comment, not Matthew's or any links. what is going on with that? It can't be my settings, because if it were it would happen all the time, right? I think it might have something to do with G-mail anyone??? I'm not sure what's causing that problem, because it doesn't happen for me. If I reply to Dan's email in Gmail's web interface, it quotes everything in his message, including the earlier quoted material from me. I couldn't find anything obvious in Gmail's settings that might be causing the problem. Are you using the Gmail web interface, or a mail application? One possibility: The material Dan quoted appears below his signature. Some mail applications suppress quoting signatures (presumably everything after the --). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
On 2011-04-12 10:46 , Matthew Hunt wrote: One possibility: The material Dan quoted appears below his signature. Some mail applications suppress quoting signatures (presumably everything after the --). that's exactly it; two hyphens is a standard (actually borrowed from Usenet) to denote a signature block; Dan combined top-posting with a signature line, which put the entire quoted material into the signature area; Ann's email client is trying to be efficient by stripping what it thinks are signatures when quoting for replies -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: that's exactly it; two hyphens is a standard (actually borrowed from Usenet) to denote a signature block pedant rfc=1849 The standard is actually two hyphens and a space (-- \n). The PDML list signature is compliant. /pedant -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: My mail is Netscape 7.0 Communicator... I have a pop server on road runner... but I seldom if ever go on line to use it.. I just download everything to my computer and don't leave it on line... everything comes in as plain text except some HTML is treated as an attachment. Not only doesn't it strip out everyting below someones signature line but I sometimes do that manually myself... I couldn't find anything specific to Netscape 7, but Thunderbird (as of 2008) stripped off anything after a proper signature delimiter, with no way to change that behavior: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39t=623725start=0 Note that a proper delimiter consists of two hyphens and a space, and the PDML list signature follows that convention. But 'tis a convention more honored in the breach these days, so when you find yourself stripping signatures by hand, it may be because the sender's software does not use the proper delimiter. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
For me, GMail seems to take everything after the two dashes and space delimiter and hides it, leaving, in its place, the message Show quoted text -. If I click on that message, it restores what it hid (usually only signatures). Dan [SIGNATURE MOVED TO END TO ELIMINATE PROBLEM] On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: My mail is Netscape 7.0 Communicator... I have a pop server on road runner... but I seldom if ever go on line to use it.. I just download everything to my computer and don't leave it on line... everything comes in as plain text except some HTML is treated as an attachment. Not only doesn't it strip out everyting below someones signature line but I sometimes do that manually myself... I couldn't find anything specific to Netscape 7, but Thunderbird (as of 2008) stripped off anything after a proper signature delimiter, with no way to change that behavior: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39t=623725start=0 Note that a proper delimiter consists of two hyphens and a space, and the PDML list signature follows that convention. But 'tis a convention more honored in the breach these days, so when you find yourself stripping signatures by hand, it may be because the sender's software does not use the proper delimiter. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
2011/4/12 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: For me, GMail seems to take everything after the two dashes and space delimiter and hides it, leaving, in its place, the message Show quoted text -. If I click on that message, it restores what it hid Gmail hides everything wich you can find in the previous e-mail. I just realize, when I wouldn't keep the software on my father's computer current, he would still use Firefox 1 or something similar. (Well probably not ...) Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
ahha! and I just hit reply and it stripped out the PDML delimitator in this email -- so it appears to be my Netscape thanks guys! ann Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: My mail is Netscape 7.0 Communicator... I have a pop server on road runner... but I seldom if ever go on line to use it.. I just download everything to my computer and don't leave it on line... everything comes in as plain text except some HTML is treated as an attachment. Not only doesn't it strip out everyting below someones signature line but I sometimes do that manually myself... I couldn't find anything specific to Netscape 7, but Thunderbird (as of 2008) stripped off anything after a proper signature delimiter, with no way to change that behavior: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39t=623725start=0 Note that a proper delimiter consists of two hyphens and a space, and the PDML list signature follows that convention. But 'tis a convention more honored in the breach these days, so when you find yourself stripping signatures by hand, it may be because the sender's software does not use the proper delimiter. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
That worked! so it is a combination of your mail and mine... gosh, and we get along so well otherwise ;-) ann Daniel J. Matyola wrote: For me, GMail seems to take everything after the two dashes and space delimiter and hides it, leaving, in its place, the message Show quoted text -. If I click on that message, it restores what it hid (usually only signatures). Dan [SIGNATURE MOVED TO END TO ELIMINATE PROBLEM] On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: My mail is Netscape 7.0 Communicator... I have a pop server on road runner... but I seldom if ever go on line to use it.. I just download everything to my computer and don't leave it on line... everything comes in as plain text except some HTML is treated as an attachment. Not only doesn't it strip out everyting below someones signature line but I sometimes do that manually myself... I couldn't find anything specific to Netscape 7, but Thunderbird (as of 2008) stripped off anything after a proper signature delimiter, with no way to change that behavior: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39t=623725start=0 Note that a proper delimiter consists of two hyphens and a space, and the PDML list signature follows that convention. But 'tis a convention more honored in the breach these days, so when you find yourself stripping signatures by hand, it may be because the sender's software does not use the proper delimiter. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
On 2011-04-12 12:19 , Thomas Bohn wrote: 2011/4/12 Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com: For me, GMail seems to take everything after the two dashes and space delimiter and hides it, leaving, in its place, the message Show quoted text -. If I click on that message, it restores what it hid that's a display feature, it doesn't change the content of the emails; it works well on short threads, but it can make reading top-posted replies on even more frustrating on long threads Gmail hides everything wich you can find in the previous e-mail. Gmail does *not* hide quoted material on bottom-posted emails on the (sometimes correct) assumption that such replies selectively quote the foregoing material -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Gmail quoting (was: Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase)
On 2011-04-12 11:42 , Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, steve harleyp...@paper-ape.com wrote: that's exactly it; two hyphens is a standard (actually borrowed from Usenet) to denote a signature block pedant rfc=1849 The standard is actually two hyphens and a space (-- \n). The PDML list signature is compliant. /pedant yes but note i was replying confirming your own statement, and to be perfectly pedantic email clients may flaunt the standard at their whim, since it's a Usenet standard that has been informally borrowed for email use -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
