Re: More quake photos

2010-09-08 Thread Cotty
Dave, consider a holiday on the north Island for  week to recover sleep,
work from laptop?
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RE: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread Bob W
 The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have
sustained
 extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't been in there
 yet.  I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot of photos that I
 haven't seen before in the media.
 
 http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf
 

what a mess. But it shows you the value of building regulations. I believe
the Haiti earthquake was of a similar magnitude, and look at the impact that
had. One of my friends is a structural engineer and has been working out
there on reconstruction (pro bono). He has some terrible stories, but also
frustration at how easy it could have been to limit the destruction.

 I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest aftershocks
we've
 had so far.
 
 11:24pm 5.2
 11:40pm 5.4
 12:21am 4.7
 3:24am 5.4
 
 Lots more in the 3 to 4 range, it's only the larger ones that wake me up
but
 the smaller ones are enough to keep me awake.  I know I'll be safe but
it's
 surprising how much frustration and anxiety it causes when you don't know
 how much sleep you'll get.  I think it's exacerbated by the general lack
of
 sleep, it's a bit of a vicious circle.

sounds very difficult.

[...]
 
 Sorry for the long-winded post :)
 

keep it coming. It's fascinating.

Bob


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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread Boris Liberman

On 9/7/2010 1:45 AM, David Mann wrote:

The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have
sustained extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't
been in there yet.  I found this link through Facebook and it has a
lot of photos that I haven't seen before in the media.

http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf

I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest
aftershocks we've had so far.


Reminds me of the quake in LA back in 1994 (I think). At the time my 
former university classmate just moved there and it was very scary.


Just be sure to stay out of trouble, Dave.

Boris


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RE: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread Chris Mitchell
David Mann wrote
 Sent: 06 September 2010 23:46
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 Subject: More quake photos
 
 The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have
 sustained extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't
 been in there yet.  I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot
 of photos that I haven't seen before in the media.
 
 http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf

Fascinating pictures Dave. It looks far worse than is being reported over
here. The one of the bent railway tracks stands out for me.

 

 
 Sorry for the long-winded post :)
 
No problem, it's interesting to hear from someone on the ground. Keep it
coming.

Chris



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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread David Mann
On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Bob W wrote:

 what a mess. But it shows you the value of building regulations. I believe
 the Haiti earthquake was of a similar magnitude, and look at the impact that
 had.

Yes you're exactly right and it's something I'm very aware of.  Not only the 
tight regulations but the lack of corruption means that buildings actually meet 
those regulations.

It may be a pain having to boil all drinking water and water the garden to 
minimise the strain on sewers but I do have a roof over my head.  I also have 
food, electricity, telephone, good roads etc.  The list goes on and it could 
all have disappeared for weeks.

As is the case with most things, timing is everything.  I work in the CBD and 
if it had struck while I was out on my lunch break I could have ended up 
entombed.

 One of my friends is a structural engineer and has been working out
 there on reconstruction (pro bono). He has some terrible stories, but also
 frustration at how easy it could have been to limit the destruction.

I hope they apply some better standards when rebuilding.  The unfortunate thing 
about many places (Haiti especially) is that they're very poor and even if they 
wanted to implement better building standards they may not be able to afford to 
do so.  But I'm sure that many of the techniques just require a little 
knowledge and don't add much cost.

Cheers,
Dave
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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Sep 7, 2010, at 02:36 , David Mann wrote:


One of my friends is a structural engineer and has been working out
there on reconstruction (pro bono). He has some terrible stories,  
but also

frustration at how easy it could have been to limit the destruction.


I hope they apply some better standards when rebuilding.  The  
unfortunate thing about many places (Haiti especially) is that  
they're very poor and even if they wanted to implement better  
building standards they may not be able to afford to do so.  But I'm  
sure that many of the techniques just require a little knowledge and  
don't add much cost.



Yes. Methinks stacking cemented cinder blocks and painting them  
pastels does not a good structure make.


Every earthquake brings a different set of rules with it.

I've been scared to death indoors in a room with a baby grand during a  
4.6 quake as I watched it wriggle across the floor towards me as I  
braced against the wall.


I've been driving on an elevated roadway not at all unlike the 880  
that collapsed in Oakland in 1983 and just thought my car's power  
steering had gone weird during a 7.1 quake. The practically condemned  
structure is still in use 14 years later, braced up with steel supports.


And I slept through a 4.9 quake in my sisters basement with my 19 tv  
hanging by an intricate webbing of clothesline over my shins that I  
had always predicted would crack my bones if it fell. It didn't. But  
her chimney did. Right outside the casement window by my bed.


Joseph McAllister
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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread David Mann
On Sep 8, 2010, at 5:16 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

 Every earthquake brings a different set of rules with it.

It certainly does.  The Richter magnitude doesn't really tell you much, it's 
just an estimate of the energy released by the quake.  The amount of shaking 
depends a lot on the distance  depth of the quake as well as the local 
structures underground, how wet the soil is etc etc.  And obviously you'll feel 
it stronger in a tall building.

A few years back I saw an article of a small town, I think it was in 
California, that was devastated by a relatively modest quake.  The rock 
structures underground had effectively formed a lens that focussed the energy 
in that area.

We just had a huge aftershock at 7:50am this morning.  I was sure it was the 6 
they'd been anticipating but it was apparently only 5.1.  But the initial 
location estimate put it closer to the city and only 6km deep.  I'll tell you 
now the shaking was MUCH stronger than the 5.4 ones we've had.

If that had struck during the night I probably wouldn't have slept!  As it 
happens, last night was the best sleep I've had, only woke up a couple of 
times.  Had a bit of trouble getting back to sleep but nowhere near as bad as 
the previous night.

I should really get to work.  I've had my work PC dropped off at my house on 
Monday and the boss said in an email yesterday that he would appreciate normal 
hours and 100% effort.  A comment that resulted in a bit of feedback from the 
sleep-deprived employees.  I haven't even been able to visit any family members 
yet so being expected to work doesn't sit too well with me.

Cheers,
Dave
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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Wow - sobering photos and your narrative

Dave - so glad you aren't even worse off...

In the states after the first event and discovery taht there were not 
many terminal casualties the news stations don't consider

something down your way so important...

Thanks for filling us in and sending the photos...  look forward to see 
your's.  Hope the aftershocks subside soon.


Best,
ann





David Mann wrote:


The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have sustained 
extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't been in there yet.  
I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot of photos that I haven't 
seen before in the media.

http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf

I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest aftershocks we've 
had so far.

11:24pm 5.2
11:40pm 5.4
12:21am 4.7
3:24am 5.4

Lots more in the 3 to 4 range, it's only the larger ones that wake me up but 
the smaller ones are enough to keep me awake.  I know I'll be safe but it's 
surprising how much frustration and anxiety it causes when you don't know how 
much sleep you'll get.  I think it's exacerbated by the general lack of sleep, 
it's a bit of a vicious circle.  I'd be struggling to cope if I was living 
alone so I really feel sorry for those who are.  Janet was actually away in the 
North Island last week at a conference, she arrived home on Friday night so I'm 
lucky she was around (yes she was glad to be home, she would have been pretty 
worried otherwise).

The news footage I saw last night makes me realise how lucky we are to live on 
this side of the city where we didn't get much liquefaction.  Lots of houses 
are being condemned due to huge cracks appearing right through them.  Some are 
almost brand new but they had no chance when the ground opened up underneath 
and ruined the foundations.

My work PC is now set up in my office at home but I'm not terribly motivated 
due to the fatigue.

I'm keeping up to date with the news so as soon as the cordon comes off the area where 
my office building is, I'll go in.  I need to collect a few things so I'll probably 
only have room for one camera  lens (K10D and 24mm I think).  I'd take our PS 
as it's smaller but Janet has that with her for work.

Sorry for the long-winded post :)

Cheers,
Dave
 






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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
I live in an area that was last hit by a serious quake in 1812 -- a 
series of three over the course of four months, estimated to be around 
8.0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone).  They've 
been saying we're overdue for about 50 years now ... not the most 
comforting thought, considering the area is not anywhere near as 
prepared -- building or infrastructure-wise -- as Christchurch appears 
to be.


I've felt a couple of tremors in the past -- around the size of your 
aftershocks listed below.  They're startling, but don't leave you with 
the sense of dread/terror that a 7+ quake will.  I certainly don't look 
forward to the day when the big one finally happens.  And, sadly 
enough, I'm in no way prepared for it.


Hope things settle down for you folks, soon.  I'm sure the psychological 
aftershocks will go on for a while after the geological ones finally 
fade.  Just hang in there.


Best,

Walt


On 9/6/2010 5:45 PM, David Mann wrote:

The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have sustained 
extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't been in there yet.  
I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot of photos that I haven't 
seen before in the media.

http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf

I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest aftershocks we've 
had so far.

11:24pm 5.2
11:40pm 5.4
12:21am 4.7
3:24am 5.4

Lots more in the 3 to 4 range, it's only the larger ones that wake me up but 
the smaller ones are enough to keep me awake.  I know I'll be safe but it's 
surprising how much frustration and anxiety it causes when you don't know how 
much sleep you'll get.  I think it's exacerbated by the general lack of sleep, 
it's a bit of a vicious circle.  I'd be struggling to cope if I was living 
alone so I really feel sorry for those who are.  Janet was actually away in the 
North Island last week at a conference, she arrived home on Friday night so I'm 
lucky she was around (yes she was glad to be home, she would have been pretty 
worried otherwise).

The news footage I saw last night makes me realise how lucky we are to live on 
this side of the city where we didn't get much liquefaction.  Lots of houses 
are being condemned due to huge cracks appearing right through them.  Some are 
almost brand new but they had no chance when the ground opened up underneath 
and ruined the foundations.

My work PC is now set up in my office at home but I'm not terribly motivated 
due to the fatigue.

I'm keeping up to date with the news so as soon as the cordon comes off the area where 
my office building is, I'll go in.  I need to collect a few things so I'll probably 
only have room for one camera  lens (K10D and 24mm I think).  I'd take our PS 
as it's smaller but Janet has that with her for work.

Sorry for the long-winded post :)

Cheers,
Dave




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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread paul stenquist
Darn. Sounds like things have gotten worse for you. Hope those aftershocks end 
soon. Stay safe.
Paul


On Sep 7, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Wow - sobering photos and your narrative
 
 Dave - so glad you aren't even worse off...
 
 In the states after the first event and discovery taht there were not many 
 terminal casualties the news stations don't consider
 something down your way so important...
 
 Thanks for filling us in and sending the photos...  look forward to see 
 your's.  Hope the aftershocks subside soon.
 
 Best,
 ann
 
 
 
 
 
 David Mann wrote:
 
 The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have 
 sustained extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't been 
 in there yet.  I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot of photos 
 that I haven't seen before in the media.
 
 http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf
 
 I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest aftershocks 
 we've had so far.
 
 11:24pm 5.2
 11:40pm 5.4
 12:21am 4.7
 3:24am 5.4
 
 Lots more in the 3 to 4 range, it's only the larger ones that wake me up but 
 the smaller ones are enough to keep me awake.  I know I'll be safe but it's 
 surprising how much frustration and anxiety it causes when you don't know 
 how much sleep you'll get.  I think it's exacerbated by the general lack of 
 sleep, it's a bit of a vicious circle.  I'd be struggling to cope if I was 
 living alone so I really feel sorry for those who are.  Janet was actually 
 away in the North Island last week at a conference, she arrived home on 
 Friday night so I'm lucky she was around (yes she was glad to be home, she 
 would have been pretty worried otherwise).
 
 The news footage I saw last night makes me realise how lucky we are to live 
 on this side of the city where we didn't get much liquefaction.  Lots of 
 houses are being condemned due to huge cracks appearing right through them.  
 Some are almost brand new but they had no chance when the ground opened up 
 underneath and ruined the foundations.
 
 My work PC is now set up in my office at home but I'm not terribly motivated 
 due to the fatigue.
 
 I'm keeping up to date with the news so as soon as the cordon comes off the 
 area where my office building is, I'll go in.  I need to collect a few 
 things so I'll probably only have room for one camera  lens (K10D and 24mm 
 I think).  I'd take our PS as it's smaller but Janet has that with her for 
 work.
 
 Sorry for the long-winded post :)
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread David Mann
On Sep 8, 2010, at 12:15 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 Darn. Sounds like things have gotten worse for you. Hope those aftershocks 
 end soon. Stay safe.
 Paul

They'll be going for a few more weeks but with reducing intensity  frequency.  
But we can still get a reasonably significant event.

We found a few more cracks in walls  ceilings this morning.  Just minor ones, 
certainly not structural.  It's amazing what these houses can put up with.

Dave
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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread David Mann
On Sep 8, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 I live in an area that was last hit by a serious quake in 1812 -- a series of 
 three over the course of four months, estimated to be around 8.0 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone).  They've been saying 
 we're overdue for about 50 years now ... not the most comforting thought, 
 considering the area is not anywhere near as prepared -- building or 
 infrastructure-wise -- as Christchurch appears to be.

We're about due for something in the 8+ region from the main alpine fault 
which cuts down through the length of the South Island.  There was a 7.8 down 
in Fiordland last year but it's an unpopulated area and the nature of the quake 
meant the energy was released slowly and largely focussed offshore.

The alpine fault is a bit further away from here and a quake centered there is 
likely to be a lot deeper so the shaking might not be much different from our 
7.1, but it'd probably go on for a lot longer.

Dave


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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-07 Thread drd1135
It's amazing how little I have heard about all of this here. The pictures are 
amazing and horrifying. The railroad track shot really struck me for some 
reason. 
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On Sep 8, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 I live in an area that was last hit by a serious quake in 1812 -- a series of 
 three over the course of four months, estimated to be around 8.0 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone).  They've been saying 
 we're overdue for about 50 years now ... not the most comforting thought, 
 considering the area is not anywhere near as prepared -- building or 
 infrastructure-wise -- as Christchurch appears to be.

We're about due for something in the 8+ region from the main alpine fault 
which cuts down through the length of the South Island.  There was a 7.8 down 
in Fiordland last year but it's an unpopulated area and the nature of the quake 
meant the energy was released slowly and largely focussed offshore.

The alpine fault is a bit further away from here and a quake centered there is 
likely to be a lot deeper so the shaking might not be much different from our 
7.1, but it'd probably go on for a lot longer.

Dave


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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-06 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 6:45 PM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have 
 sustained extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't been in 
 there yet.  I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot of photos 
 that I haven't seen before in the media.

 http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf

 I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest aftershocks we've 
 had so far.

 11:24pm 5.2
 11:40pm 5.4
 12:21am 4.7
 3:24am 5.4

 Lots more in the 3 to 4 range, it's only the larger ones that wake me up but 
 the smaller ones are enough to keep me awake.  I know I'll be safe but it's 
 surprising how much frustration and anxiety it causes when you don't know how 
 much sleep you'll get.  I think it's exacerbated by the general lack of 
 sleep, it's a bit of a vicious circle.  I'd be struggling to cope if I was 
 living alone so I really feel sorry for those who are.  Janet was actually 
 away in the North Island last week at a conference, she arrived home on 
 Friday night so I'm lucky she was around (yes she was glad to be home, she 
 would have been pretty worried otherwise).

 The news footage I saw last night makes me realise how lucky we are to live 
 on this side of the city where we didn't get much liquefaction.  Lots of 
 houses are being condemned due to huge cracks appearing right through them.  
 Some are almost brand new but they had no chance when the ground opened up 
 underneath and ruined the foundations.

 My work PC is now set up in my office at home but I'm not terribly motivated 
 due to the fatigue.

 I'm keeping up to date with the news so as soon as the cordon comes off the 
 area where my office building is, I'll go in.  I need to collect a few things 
 so I'll probably only have room for one camera  lens (K10D and 24mm I 
 think).  I'd take our PS as it's smaller but Janet has that with her for 
 work.

 Sorry for the long-winded post :)

No worries about the length of the post.  Glad to hear that you're all
right (even though clearly rattled somewhat - as one would expect one
to be!).

Some astounding photos in there!

Take care, please.

cheers,
frank

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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-06 Thread Stan Halpin
Thank you for the update. No apologies called for - there are many of us in 
cyberspace who are quite interested both in your wellbeing and in your 
victim's-eye-view of your experience.

stan

On Sep 6, 2010, at 5:45 PM, David Mann wrote:

 The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have 
 sustained extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't been in 
 there yet.  I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot of photos 
 that I haven't seen before in the media.
 
 http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf
 
 I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest aftershocks we've 
 had so far.
 
 11:24pm 5.2
 11:40pm 5.4
 12:21am 4.7
 3:24am 5.4
 
 Lots more in the 3 to 4 range, it's only the larger ones that wake me up but 
 the smaller ones are enough to keep me awake.  I know I'll be safe but it's 
 surprising how much frustration and anxiety it causes when you don't know how 
 much sleep you'll get.  I think it's exacerbated by the general lack of 
 sleep, it's a bit of a vicious circle.  I'd be struggling to cope if I was 
 living alone so I really feel sorry for those who are.  Janet was actually 
 away in the North Island last week at a conference, she arrived home on 
 Friday night so I'm lucky she was around (yes she was glad to be home, she 
 would have been pretty worried otherwise).
 
 The news footage I saw last night makes me realise how lucky we are to live 
 on this side of the city where we didn't get much liquefaction.  Lots of 
 houses are being condemned due to huge cracks appearing right through them.  
 Some are almost brand new but they had no chance when the ground opened up 
 underneath and ruined the foundations.
 
 My work PC is now set up in my office at home but I'm not terribly motivated 
 due to the fatigue.
 
 I'm keeping up to date with the news so as soon as the cordon comes off the 
 area where my office building is, I'll go in.  I need to collect a few things 
 so I'll probably only have room for one camera  lens (K10D and 24mm I 
 think).  I'd take our PS as it's smaller but Janet has that with her for 
 work.
 
 Sorry for the long-winded post :)
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-06 Thread David Mann
On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:

 Thank you for the update. No apologies called for - there are many of us in 
 cyberspace who are quite interested both in your wellbeing and in your 
 victim's-eye-view of your experience.

Thanks, Stan.  I'm glad people are finding some interest in this.  I am 
learning a lot from the experience.  I never expected the aftershocks to be so 
frustrating.  Normally a 5.4 would scare the shit out of me, especially if it's 
shallow and close.  But right now I just want them to stop so I can get some 
sleep at night.

They always seem to be stronger at night, maybe I just notice them more because 
I'm lying down and trying to relax.  It really does wear you down and I don't 
know what kind of state I'll be in after a couple of weeks of it.  The Mrs is 
OK, she is sleeping a lot better than I am.  Must be hard for people with 
frightened kids as well.

The boss sent an email around today asking for 100% effort, probably trying to 
be encouraging for the sake of the business and our customers but it hasn't 
done much for my mood :)

Cheers,
Dave
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Re: More quake photos

2010-09-06 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Dave:  Thanks for keeping us up to date on the situation by you.  Easier 
said than done, I know, but try to get some rest.  We're thinking of you  
the Mrs. here in Chicago.  Cheers, Christine



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From: David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: More quake photos


The central city is still mostly cordoned off as a few buildings have 
sustained extra damage due to aftershocks.  Because of this I haven't been 
in there yet.  I found this link through Facebook and it has a lot of 
photos that I haven't seen before in the media.


http://www.crashbang.co.nz/quake040910/index.html?ref=nf

I had a fairly disturbed night, we had a few of the biggest aftershocks 
we've had so far.


11:24pm 5.2
11:40pm 5.4
12:21am 4.7
3:24am 5.4

Lots more in the 3 to 4 range, it's only the larger ones that wake me up 
but the smaller ones are enough to keep me awake.  I know I'll be safe but 
it's surprising how much frustration and anxiety it causes when you don't 
know how much sleep you'll get.  I think it's exacerbated by the general 
lack of sleep, it's a bit of a vicious circle.  I'd be struggling to cope 
if I was living alone so I really feel sorry for those who are.  Janet was 
actually away in the North Island last week at a conference, she arrived 
home on Friday night so I'm lucky she was around (yes she was glad to be 
home, she would have been pretty worried otherwise).


The news footage I saw last night makes me realise how lucky we are to 
live on this side of the city where we didn't get much liquefaction.  Lots 
of houses are being condemned due to huge cracks appearing right through 
them.  Some are almost brand new but they had no chance when the ground 
opened up underneath and ruined the foundations.


My work PC is now set up in my office at home but I'm not terribly 
motivated due to the fatigue.


I'm keeping up to date with the news so as soon as the cordon comes off 
the area where my office building is, I'll go in.  I need to collect a few 
things so I'll probably only have room for one camera  lens (K10D and 
24mm I think).  I'd take our PS as it's smaller but Janet has that with 
her for work.


Sorry for the long-winded post :)

Cheers,
Dave
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