Re: OT OM-D OMG!
m43 lenses are still a bit limited in range, as noted elsewhere, but many are commensurate in size with the bodies. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:05 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2012-06-10 17:11 Steven Desjardins wrote > >> Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is >> twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 >> isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard >> to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for >> smaller cameras like the Olys. > > > it's also worth noting that some of the lenses for the m43 cameras offer > much more bang for the gram than APS-C equivalents, so smaller camera _plus_ > smaller lenses … > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT OM-D OMG!
on 2012-06-10 17:11 Steven Desjardins wrote Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for smaller cameras like the Olys. it's also worth noting that some of the lenses for the m43 cameras offer much more bang for the gram than APS-C equivalents, so smaller camera _plus_ smaller lenses … -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT OM-D OMG!
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > John Sessoms > > Latin est a mortuus lingua > ut mortuus ut potest esse > Illud occidit omnem romanos > et nunc suus occidere me > Modicum de Caesar > Paulo Cicero > Iuvat ad replete locis > ubi insanis populum > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVy4BrxpKGQ B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > J.C. O'Connell > > Isnt English a Germanic language?? > Yes. So is Frisian. So are the Norse languages which contributed to English. The history and development of English is very complex and interesting, and there is still a great deal unexplained. B > > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Tim Bray > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:57 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! > > Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the > inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader > by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree > that the bastard child explanation, naming only two languages, is > unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top > of which, there wasnt just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high > and low, east and west flavors. -T > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W wrote: > > > > It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended > > from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. > > > > B > > > > > > > > Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard > child > > > of Frisian and French. What would you expect > > > > > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Latin's a dead language, > > > >> as dead as it can be. > > > >> First it killed the Romans, > > > >> and now it's killing me. > > > >> -some anonymous school boy. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Bipin Gupta wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the > > > >>> Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. > > > >>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at > > > >>> public > > > school. > > > >>> > > > >>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > > > >>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > > > >>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > > > >>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > > > >>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > > > >>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, > > > >>> Amen. > > > >>> > > > >>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) > > > >>> Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's > epicenter. > > > Why? > > > >>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. > > > >>> > > > >>> May the Force be with you. > > > >>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll > want > > > >> to avoid a lengthly search. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > >> PDML@pdml.net > > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > > > >> above and follow the directions. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want > to > > > avoid a lengthly search. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > > and follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and > > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Isnt English a Germanic language?? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Bray Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree that the bastard child explanation, naming only two languages, is unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top of which, there wasnt just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high and low, east and west flavors. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W wrote: > > It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from > chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. > > B > > > > > Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of > > Frisian and French. What would you expect > > > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > > English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Latin's a dead language, > > >> as dead as it can be. > > >> First it killed the Romans, > > >> and now it's killing me. > > >> -some anonymous school boy. > > >> > > >> > > >> Bipin Gupta wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic > > >>> Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. > > >>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public > > school. > > >>> > > >>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > > >>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > > >>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > > >>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > > >>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > > >>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, > > >>> Amen. > > >>> > > >>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit > > >>> Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. > > Why? > > >>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. > > >>> > > >>> May the Force be with you. > > >>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > > >> avoid a lengthly search. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >> PDML@pdml.net > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > >> and follow the directions. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > > avoid a lengthly search. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Old Frisian isn't an ancestor of English either. Old Frisian existed alongside Old English. Anglo-Frisian begat Old English which begat English; Anglo-Frisian also begat Old Frisian which begat Frisian. B > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Tim Bray > > Well, right; the name is Old Frisian. Since there is a modern Frisian > dialect, it is in fact misleading to say that Frisian is one of the > parents of English; should rather say old Frisian. -T > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Bob W wrote: > > That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we're descended from > > proto-chimps. The proto-chimps are also proto-humans, so we choose a > > different name for them. So proto-Frisian is also proto-English - > that > > is, the common ancestor of each, so it has a different name. > > > > B > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf > >> Of P. J. Alling > >> Sent: 11 June 2012 20:08 > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! > >> > >> OK. Proto Frisian... > >> > >> Bob W wrote: > >> > It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are > >> > descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common > ancestor. > >> > > >> > B > >> > > >> > > >> >> Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard > >> >> child of Frisian and French. What would you expect > >> >> > >> >> Bruce Walker wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> Latin's a dead language, > >> >>>> as dead as it can be. > >> >>>> First it killed the Romans, > >> >>>> and now it's killing me. > >> >>>> -some anonymous school boy. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Bipin Gupta wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the > >> >>>>> Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. > >> >>>>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at > >> public > >> >>>>> > >> >> school. > >> >> > >> >>>>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > >> >>>>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > >> >>>>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > >> >>>>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > >> >>>>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > >> >>>>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) > >> >>>>> Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's > >> epicenter. > >> >>>>> > >> >> Why? > >> >> > >> >>>>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> May the Force be with you. > >> >>>>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll > >> >>>> want to avoid a lengthly search. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> >>>> PDML@pdml.net > >> >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >> >>>> above and follow the directions. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> -- > >> >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want > >> >> to avoid a lengthly search. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> >> PDML@pdml.net > >> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above > >> >> and follow the directions. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > >> avoid a lengthly search. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >> and follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, right; the name is “Old Frisian”. Since there is a modern Frisian dialect, it is in fact misleading to say that “Frisian” is one of the parents of English; should rather say “old Frisian”. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Bob W wrote: > That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we're descended from > proto-chimps. The proto-chimps are also proto-humans, so we choose a > different name for them. So proto-Frisian is also proto-English - that is, > the common ancestor of each, so it has a different name. > > B > >> -Original Message- >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >> P. J. Alling >> Sent: 11 June 2012 20:08 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! >> >> OK. Proto Frisian... >> >> Bob W wrote: >> > It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended >> > from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. >> > >> > B >> > >> > >> >> Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child >> >> of Frisian and French. What would you expect >> >> >> >> Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> >> >>> English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Latin's a dead language, >> >>>> as dead as it can be. >> >>>> First it killed the Romans, >> >>>> and now it's killing me. >> >>>> -some anonymous school boy. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Bipin Gupta wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic >> >>>>> Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. >> >>>>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at >> public >> >>>>> >> >> school. >> >> >> >>>>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. >> >>>>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, >> >>>>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. >> >>>>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, >> >>>>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, >> >>>>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, >> >>>>> Amen. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) >> >>>>> Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's >> epicenter. >> >>>>> >> >> Why? >> >> >> >>>>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> May the Force be with you. >> >>>>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want >> >>>> to avoid a lengthly search. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >>>> PDML@pdml.net >> >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> >>>> and follow the directions. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to >> >> avoid a lengthly search. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> PDML@pdml.net >> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> >> and follow the directions. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to >> avoid a lengthly search. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we're descended from proto-chimps. The proto-chimps are also proto-humans, so we choose a different name for them. So proto-Frisian is also proto-English - that is, the common ancestor of each, so it has a different name. B > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > P. J. Alling > Sent: 11 June 2012 20:08 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! > > OK. Proto Frisian... > > Bob W wrote: > > It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended > > from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. > > > > B > > > > > >> Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child > >> of Frisian and French. What would you expect > >> > >> Bruce Walker wrote: > >> > >>> English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Latin's a dead language, > >>>> as dead as it can be. > >>>> First it killed the Romans, > >>>> and now it's killing me. > >>>> -some anonymous school boy. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bipin Gupta wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic > >>>>> Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. > >>>>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at > public > >>>>> > >> school. > >> > >>>>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > >>>>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > >>>>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > >>>>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > >>>>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > >>>>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, > >>>>> Amen. > >>>>> > >>>>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) > >>>>> Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's > epicenter. > >>>>> > >> Why? > >> > >>>>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. > >>>>> > >>>>> May the Force be with you. > >>>>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want > >>>> to avoid a lengthly search. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>> PDML@pdml.net > >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >>>> and follow the directions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > >> avoid a lengthly search. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >> and follow the directions. > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > avoid a lengthly search. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There is a useful tree of the Germanic language group in this pdf, page 5: <http://assets.cambridge.org/97805216/62277/excerpt/9780521662277_excerpt.pd f> From: http://www.cambridge.org/aus/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521717991&ss=e xc It is followed by a 'wave' diagram which attempts to overcome some of the problems of using a tree to represent language families. Nobody disagrees that English and Frisian are very closely related, but English is not descended from Frisian. It's not enough just to count vocabulary. B > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Tim Bray > Sent: 11 June 2012 19:57 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT OM-D OMG! > > Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the > inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader > by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree > that the bastard child explanation, naming only two languages, is > unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top > of which, there wasnt just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high > and low, east and west flavors. -T > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W wrote: > > > > It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended > > from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. > > > > B > > > > > > > > Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard > child > > > of Frisian and French. What would you expect > > > > > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Latin's a dead language, > > > >> as dead as it can be. > > > >> First it killed the Romans, > > > >> and now it's killing me. > > > >> -some anonymous school boy. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Bipin Gupta wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the > > > >>> Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. > > > >>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at > > > >>> public > > > school. > > > >>> > > > >>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > > > >>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > > > >>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > > > >>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > > > >>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > > > >>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, > > > >>> Amen. > > > >>> > > > >>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) > > > >>> Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's > epicenter. > > > Why? > > > >>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. > > > >>> > > > >>> May the Force be with you. > > > >>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll > want > > > >> to avoid a lengthly search. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > >> PDML@pdml.net > > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > > > >> above and follow the directions. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want > to > > > avoid a lengthly search. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > > and follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and > > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK. Proto Frisian... Bob W wrote: It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, if you go through an etymological dictionary and count the inheritance of English words, various flavors of Frisian are the leader by a fairly wide margin. French is right up there too. But I agree that the “bastard child” explanation, naming only two languages, is unduly limiting. There is also a heavy Scandinavian influence; on top of which, there wasn’t just one Frisian; it came in old and new, high and low, east and west flavors. -T On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bob W wrote: > > It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from > chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. > > B > > > > > Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of > > Frisian and French. What would you expect > > > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > > English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Latin's a dead language, > > >> as dead as it can be. > > >> First it killed the Romans, > > >> and now it's killing me. > > >> -some anonymous school boy. > > >> > > >> > > >> Bipin Gupta wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic > > >>> Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. > > >>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public > > school. > > >>> > > >>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > > >>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > > >>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > > >>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > > >>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > > >>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, > > >>> Amen. > > >>> > > >>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit > > >>> Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. > > Why? > > >>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. > > >>> > > >>> May the Force be with you. > > >>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > > >> avoid a lengthly search. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >> PDML@pdml.net > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > >> and follow the directions. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > > avoid a lengthly search. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "P. J. Alling" Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect We prefer the term "hybrid vigor". -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bipin Gupta Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. Latin est a mortuus lingua ut mortuus ut potest esse Illud occidit omnem romanos et nunc suus occidere me Modicum de Caesar Paulo Cicero Iuvat ad replete locis ubi insanis populum -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's descended from Frisian in the same way that humans are descended from chimps. That it is to say, not. They have a common ancestor. B > > Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of > Frisian and French. What would you expect > > Bruce Walker wrote: > > English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling > > wrote: > > > >> Latin's a dead language, > >> as dead as it can be. > >> First it killed the Romans, > >> and now it's killing me. > >> -some anonymous school boy. > >> > >> > >> Bipin Gupta wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic > >>> Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. > >>> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public > school. > >>> > >>> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > >>> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > >>> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > >>> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > >>> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > >>> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, > >>> Amen. > >>> > >>> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit > >>> Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. > Why? > >>> Because they chanted this prayer daily. > >>> > >>> May the Force be with you. > >>> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > >> avoid a lengthly search. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >> and follow the directions. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > avoid a lengthly search. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Modern English is a vibrant living language that's the bastard child of Frisian and French. What would you expect Bruce Walker wrote: English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Bipin Gupta > > Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic > Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. Nevertheless, even in English 'alumni' is not the word you're looking for. > But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public > school. > > Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. > Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, > Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. > Sancta Maria Mater Dei, > Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, > Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, > Amen. > > When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit > Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? > Because they chanted this prayer daily. > We should try a controlled experiment to test that. All we need is a lot of Jesuits and a couple of bombs. B > May the Force be with you. > Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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English appears to be a dead language too. LOL! WTF? etc. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Latin's a dead language, > as dead as it can be. > First it killed the Romans, > and now it's killing me. > -some anonymous school boy. > > > Bipin Gupta wrote: >> >> Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic >> Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. >> But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. >> >> Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. >> Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, >> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. >> Sancta Maria Mater Dei, >> Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, >> Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, >> Amen. >> >> When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit >> Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? >> Because they chanted this prayer daily. >> >> May the Force be with you. >> Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. >> >> > > > > -- > Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a > lengthly search. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Latin's a dead language, as dead as it can be. First it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me. -some anonymous school boy. Bipin Gupta wrote: Hey Bob, LATIN is "RIP". It is a dead language. Even the Catholic Church gave up Sunday Mass in Latin a long time ago. But here is a lovely LATIN Prayer I learnt long time ago at public school. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mu-li-eri-bus, Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria Mater Dei, Ora pro nobis pecca-to-ri-bus, Nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen. When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, some (5 or 6) Jesuit Padres were left unscathed just (1) Km from the bomb's epicenter. Why? Because they chanted this prayer daily. May the Force be with you. Bipin - from a far away enchanted land. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 10, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Bob W wrote: >> I should know as I am an alumni of the University of >> Cambridge. > > But not a Latin scholar, obviously... Drives me nuts when I see that on window decals and bumper stickers. It appears English usage has evolved beyond the Latin in this instance. The beauty of the English language? -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA eew...@bellsouth.net "Everywhere the crisis of the private financial system has been transformed into a tale of slovenly and overweening government that perpetuates and is perpetuated by a dependent and demanding population." - Marilynne Robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wow. I didn't know the E5 was that big. I admit this website is a favorite of mine and gets a lot of use. Of course, Pentax has one of the best size ranges: http://camerasize.com/compare/#211,190 On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:16 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > As long as you're there, if you want to have some fun, compare the Oly E-5 > to the OM-D... > > > Steven Desjardins wrote: >> >> OK, here's the comparison ;-( >> >> http://camerasize.com/compare/#7,289 >> >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Steven Desjardins >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Which one were you, Bill? >>> >>> Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is >>> twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 >>> isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard >>> to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for >>> smaller cameras like the Olys. I find the off hand comparison to the >>> GX1 more interesting. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:34 AM, William Robb >>> wrote: >>> On 09/06/2012 10:16 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > > (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May > be I am > wrong all the way... > > > As you can see, I am "slightly" larger than Annsan http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/7da01815.html -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Desjardins >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As long as you're there, if you want to have some fun, compare the Oly E-5 to the OM-D... Steven Desjardins wrote: OK, here's the comparison ;-( http://camerasize.com/compare/#7,289 On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Which one were you, Bill? Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for smaller cameras like the Olys. I find the off hand comparison to the GX1 more interesting. On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:34 AM, William Robb wrote: On 09/06/2012 10:16 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May be I am wrong all the way... As you can see, I am "slightly" larger than Annsan http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/7da01815.html -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Boris, I'm not sure this is subtlety of the English language but rather a stupid comment by the reviewer. ;-) On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > I'd say you're slightly taller than her... I'd also be so bold as to > omit the double quotes around the word "slightly". Yet I literally see > your point. > > In fact, this kind of vagueness is what fascinates me the most about > English(*) language and English culture. > > (*) I denote by "English" not only British, but also American, > Canadian, Australian, New Zealandian, South African, etc varieties of > English language and culture respectively. > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:34 AM, William Robb > wrote: >> On 09/06/2012 10:16 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May be I am >>> wrong all the way... >>> >>> >> As you can see, I am "slightly" larger than Annsan >> http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/7da01815.html >> >> -- >> >> William Robb >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK, here's the comparison ;-( http://camerasize.com/compare/#7,289 On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > Which one were you, Bill? > > Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is > twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 > isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard > to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for > smaller cameras like the Olys. I find the off hand comparison to the > GX1 more interesting. > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:34 AM, William Robb > wrote: >> On 09/06/2012 10:16 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May be I am >>> wrong all the way... >>> >>> >> As you can see, I am "slightly" larger than Annsan >> http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/7da01815.html >> >> -- >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Which one were you, Bill? Here's a comparison between the D7000 and the OMD EM5. The Nikon is twice the mass as well. The OMD is a small camera and the D7000 isn't. This kind of trade off is a very personal thing so it's hard to make a definitive argument, but lots of folks have opted for smaller cameras like the Olys. I find the off hand comparison to the GX1 more interesting. On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:34 AM, William Robb wrote: > On 09/06/2012 10:16 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> >> > >> >> (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May be I am >> wrong all the way... >> >> > As you can see, I am "slightly" larger than Annsan > http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/7da01815.html > > -- > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/06/2012 10:22 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: I agree on the beauty of the English language Boris, and how easy it is to "twist" you into thinking you are being praised, when it could be just the opposite. I should know as I am an alumni of the University of Cambridge. But only people with British (or Kings) English can do this and not American/Canadian English speakers - too direct, plain and simple. Well, how special.. :) -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> I should know as I am an alumni of the University of > Cambridge. But not a Latin scholar, obviously... B > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Bipin Gupta > Sent: 10 June 2012 17:22 > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: OT OM-D OMG! > > Hello Boris, I am truly sorry for quoting the Editor of Better > Photography magazine w/o actually checking the camera sizes. The Editor > did exaggerate the size given his concern for the price and much > smaller sensor of the Olympus OM-D. So here is the size comparison from > camerasize.com:- > Nikon D7000 132 x 105 x 77 mm > Pentax K-5131 x 97 x 73 mm > Olympus OM-D 121 x 90 x 42 mm > I agree on the beauty of the English language Boris, and how easy it is > to "twist" you into thinking you are being praised, when it could be > just the opposite. I should know as I am an alumni of the University of > Cambridge. But only people with British (or Kings) English can do this > and not American/Canadian English speakers - too direct, plain and > simple. > Regards. Bipin - from a far away enchanting land. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd say you're slightly taller than her... I'd also be so bold as to omit the double quotes around the word "slightly". Yet I literally see your point. In fact, this kind of vagueness is what fascinates me the most about English(*) language and English culture. (*) I denote by "English" not only British, but also American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealandian, South African, etc varieties of English language and culture respectively. On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:34 AM, William Robb wrote: > On 09/06/2012 10:16 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> >> > >> >> (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May be I am >> wrong all the way... >> >> > As you can see, I am "slightly" larger than Annsan > http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/7da01815.html > > -- > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/06/2012 10:16 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May be I am wrong all the way... As you can see, I am "slightly" larger than Annsan http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/7da01815.html -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/9/2012 22:24, Bipin Gupta wrote: The Editor says that if you do not mind a slightly bigger size, then the Nikon D7000 beats the Olympus hollow. Oh the beauty of English language. Without any intent to start a fight or flame I submit to the court a question - "how slightly bigger???" There are moments where Nikon D700 beats Pentax K-5 hollow, like you put it, Bipin, but it is not slightly bigger, it is great deal bigger, as much bigger as to be a show stopper for some people such as myself with rather weak wrists. Granted D7000 is not that big, but imagining the likes of Olympus E-Px cameras or Panasonic GF-1 with correspondingly small penta-prism on top does not make me think that D7000 is only slightly(*) bigger than OM-D... Boris (*) For my personal understanding what "Slightly" means... May be I am wrong all the way... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10 June 2012 04:04, William Robb wrote: > On 09/06/2012 11:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: >> >> Derby, on the screen, in web size files it does not look any different >> than your other street photography, be it m43 or Pentax or other gear >> you have and use. > > > Other than the busy bokeh.. > > -- > > William Robb > I believe Derby has used the same lens for both these sets. PhotoME reports from the EXIF that the lens on both sets has a maximum aperture of F1, which suggests his Voigtlandter Nokton 25mm f0.95 in both cases. As much is said in the name of one set, after all. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_noktonfun/01.htm has some eye-pulling bokeh in the upper left, and http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_noktonfun/10.htm has bokeh just as busy as anything from the Olympus OM-D set, so I reckon it's all got the same lens out in front. regards, Anthony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I really like "Walk like an Egyptian" (nokton/07) and the two skateboards (nokton/06). Great stuff! On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Derby Chang wrote: > > I'm on a business trip to China tomorrow, and semi-impulse buy, I picked up > an OM-D today. So beautiful. I really hope Ollie stays afloat so they can > keep making gear like this. > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_om-d/index.htm > > After the battery ran out, switched back to the GH1 for the rest of the > night > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_noktonfun/index.htm > > -- > > der...@iinet.net.au > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Derby Chang wrote: > > I'm on a business trip to China tomorrow, and semi-impulse buy, I picked up > an OM-D today. So beautiful. I really hope Ollie stays afloat so they can > keep making gear like this. I'll be very interested to read your longer term review on it. > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_om-d/index.htm > > After the battery ran out, switched back to the GH1 for the rest of the night > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_noktonfun/index.htm You are very, very, good at that style of photography. > > -- > > der...@iinet.net.au > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Enjoyed them all, nice stuff. Particularly the one with the smoker. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Derby Chang wrote: > > I'm on a business trip to China tomorrow, and semi-impulse buy, I picked up > an OM-D today. So beautiful. I really hope Ollie stays afloat so they can > keep making gear like this. > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_om-d/index.htm > > After the battery ran out, switched back to the GH1 for the rest of the > night > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_noktonfun/index.htm > > -- > > der...@iinet.net.au > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/06/2012 11:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Derby, on the screen, in web size files it does not look any different than your other street photography, be it m43 or Pentax or other gear you have and use. Other than the busy bokeh.. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Derby, on the screen, in web size files it does not look any different than your other street photography, be it m43 or Pentax or other gear you have and use. I reckon, the OMG comes from something that does not immediately show on the web size files... Specifically, I wonder about the viewfinder as I am starting to turn around and see that shooting from the screen on the camera back is not necessarily so bad an idea... Boris On 6/9/2012 15:30, Derby Chang wrote: I'm on a business trip to China tomorrow, and semi-impulse buy, I picked up an OM-D today. So beautiful. I really hope Ollie stays afloat so they can keep making gear like this. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_om-d/index.htm After the battery ran out, switched back to the GH1 for the rest of the night http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_noktonfun/index.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Back to back faves: the woman blowing smoke and the child piggybacked on the man's shoulders stand out for me. Enjoy China! Can't wait to see those pix. Cheers, frank "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Derby Chang Sent: June 9, 2012 6/9/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: OT OM-D OMG! I'm on a business trip to China tomorrow, and semi-impulse buy, I picked up an OM-D today. So beautiful. I really hope Ollie stays afloat so they can keep making gear like this. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_om-d/index.htm After the battery ran out, switched back to the GH1 for the rest of the night http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/12_06/12_06_noktonfun/index.htm -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
