RE: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden (A different Perspective)
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Forget what I said earlier. Just let the photo stand by > itself. I said too much in my initial post, proving, or at > least giving credence to, the idea that the viewer can be > influenced by too much information. > > What difference does it make where the garden is in relation > to the wall and the shoes and the stones? This is a photo of > those elements. It's always been a photo of those elements, > or one of the elements (the shoes). > > Why do you want more? Is it because the PHOTOGRAPH got you > curious, or because of my comments about the setting and the > history? How might you feel had I just presented the > photograph with no back story, no history? > Note that I never said that this was a photo of Marilyn's > garden with the shoes in it, but, rather, the SHOES that are > in the garden. > > You say that the STORY must go beyond the mystery, but must > the photograph, must any photograph, tell more, must a > photograph solve mysteries or is just presenting them OK? If > either of these photos present a mystery, then, one at least > one level, they are successful. As usual Shel, you have made some very interesting points - not only here, but with the recent pictures of 'Kaboom' & 'Not everyone sells their stuff on eBay'. I would love to have seen 'The Shoes' displayed in four different galleries (on-line or real), but with four different titles; say firstly as you described, then ones called 'Recycling', 'Modern art' & 'Shoe advert' - whatever, the names are irrelevant, the idea is to get four different audiences with a pre-conceived idea by the name of the picture *before* they think about it for themselves. I'd bet on four very different reactions and comments. Which brings me onto my take of names. I normally go for forest or landscape scenes, which I give names too, generally related to what took my eye to press the shutter in the first place. So, immediately I have made a statement about the picture, before either the link has been opened or the picture really looked at. I think I will now name my pictures by where they were physically taken and leave some of the mystery (such that there is with my pictures) to the viewer. Finally, I love the concept of a few pictures - maybe as few as four or five - being displayed or viewed in sequence to tell a story, with no words at all. I expect also, that only two pictures would need to be swapped to different positions in the sequence to alter or change the story. Thanks, Malcolm
Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden (A different Perspective)
Forget what I said earlier. Just let the photo stand by itself. I said too much in my initial post, proving, or at least giving credence to, the idea that the viewer can be influenced by too much information. What difference does it make where the garden is in relation to the wall and the shoes and the stones? This is a photo of those elements. It's always been a photo of those elements, or one of the elements (the shoes). Why do you want more? Is it because the PHOTOGRAPH got you curious, or because of my comments about the setting and the history? How might you feel had I just presented the photograph with no back story, no history? Note that I never said that this was a photo of Marilyn's garden with the shoes in it, but, rather, the SHOES that are in the garden. You say that the STORY must go beyond the mystery, but must the photograph, must any photograph, tell more, must a photograph solve mysteries or is just presenting them OK? If either of these photos present a mystery, then, one at least one level, they are successful. Your comments would be most welcome. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 6/27/2004 7:03:37 PM > Subject: Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden (A different Perspective) > > Very interesting. My eyes are drawn to the odd assortment to the right, > I'm trying to find some meaning in them. Is is random, or intentional? > I don't know. The shot has become more interesting, but I want more, > there has to be more, given the story you gave us behind it. Where is > the garden? Is it behind the wall or in front of it? The details and > tonality are outstanding, but the story needs to go beyond the mystery. > Or do you want to keep it a mystery? I want to know whats behind. > > Thanks, > > rg > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks for the honest comments. Really appreciate 'em. > > > > I did take make another shot: > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes04.html > > > > which shows more context. I'll say no more > > > > Shel > > > > > > Subject: Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden > > > >>Too tight, left & right edges over-cropped. No sense of context. Good > >>tonality though, excellent detail. But the comp is wrong, sorry, but > >>doesn't live up to a shelbel. > >> > >>>http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes.html > > > > > >
Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden (A different Perspective)
Very interesting. My eyes are drawn to the odd assortment to the right, I'm trying to find some meaning in them. Is is random, or intentional? I don't know. The shot has become more interesting, but I want more, there has to be more, given the story you gave us behind it. Where is the garden? Is it behind the wall or in front of it? The details and tonality are outstanding, but the story needs to go beyond the mystery. Or do you want to keep it a mystery? I want to know whats behind. Thanks, rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the honest comments. Really appreciate 'em. I did take make another shot: http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes04.html which shows more context. I'll say no more Shel Subject: Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden Too tight, left & right edges over-cropped. No sense of context. Good tonality though, excellent detail. But the comp is wrong, sorry, but doesn't live up to a shelbel. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes.html
Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden (A different Perspective)
Not sure if I like this much better. The lack of contrast doesn't help. Perhaps this is a case where color may have been better. What may have been interesting is to have even a little more context, shot in B&W and then hand colored the shoes. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, June 27, 2004, 4:29:59 PM, you wrote: SB> Thanks for the honest comments. Really appreciate 'em. SB> I did take make another shot: SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes04.html SB> which shows more context. I'll say no more SB> Shel SB> Subject: Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden >> >> Too tight, left & right edges over-cropped. No sense of context. Good >> tonality though, excellent detail. But the comp is wrong, sorry, but >> doesn't live up to a shelbel. >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes.html
Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden (A different Perspective)
Thanks for the honest comments. Really appreciate 'em. I did take make another shot: http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes04.html which shows more context. I'll say no more Shel Subject: Re: PAW - The Shoes in Marilyn's Garden > > Too tight, left & right edges over-cropped. No sense of context. Good > tonality though, excellent detail. But the comp is wrong, sorry, but > doesn't live up to a shelbel. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/paw/shoes.html
