RE: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
From: Bob W From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Amazing shot. Just think of all the events that happened at that church: weddings, baptisms, funerals. It must feel quite special at that spot. I don't think any of those things would have happened - it was an abbey, full of monks. It would have been licentiousness, greed, usury, fornication, gluttony and probably idolatry, otherwise Henry VIII would not have dissolved it, surely. The monasteries and abbeys were a kind of corporate, multinational organisation owing their allegiance to Rome, populated by powerful and ambitious men at the top. They controlled enormous agricultural holdings and acted as a giant wealth magnetic, sucking money out of the poor, whom they exploited ruthlessly by lying to them about their souls, preventing them from getting an education and bamboozling them into believing that their position at the bottom of society was ordained by god and therefore unchangeable. Nuns were little more than the monks' sexual playthings, and other woman were beneath acknowledgement as human beings. B I thought Henery VIII went after the monasteries because the Pope wouldn't let him divorce whats-her-name? Looting them of their ill gotten gains undermined the Pope's power base in England. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: 18 October 2012 17:43 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel From: Bob W From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Amazing shot. Just think of all the events that happened at that church: weddings, baptisms, funerals. It must feel quite special at that spot. I don't think any of those things would have happened - it was an abbey, full of monks. It would have been licentiousness, greed, usury, fornication, gluttony and probably idolatry, otherwise Henry VIII would not have dissolved it, surely. The monasteries and abbeys were a kind of corporate, multinational organisation owing their allegiance to Rome, populated by powerful and ambitious men at the top. They controlled enormous agricultural holdings and acted as a giant wealth magnetic, sucking money out of the poor, whom they exploited ruthlessly by lying to them about their souls, preventing them from getting an education and bamboozling them into believing that their position at the bottom of society was ordained by god and therefore unchangeable. Nuns were little more than the monks' sexual playthings, and other woman were beneath acknowledgement as human beings. B I thought Henery VIII went after the monasteries because the Pope wouldn't let him divorce whats-her-name? Looting them of their ill gotten gains undermined the Pope's power base in England. That's correct. Also a useful source of ready cash. otherwise Henry VIII would not have dissolved it, surely was sarcasm. The monks etc. were still a sink of corruption and vice though, and in the long run it was a good thing to break up their power. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg That's lovely. So when will it be on Grand Designs? ;) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg That's lovely. So when will it be on Grand Designs? ;) As soon as this one's finished: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19064763 B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
Thanks, Bob! No, not so many earthquakes; and a fairly mild (though very wet) climate without so many freeze-thaw cycles, either. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:41 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel Agreed, lovely! Standing for 900 years? I guess not to many earthquakes in those parts. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Lovely. I wonder what it looked like in it's heyday. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Dave! National Trust... Grand Designs... for some reason they're not often in the same sentence. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:49 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg That's lovely. So when will it be on Grand Designs? ;) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Steve! One can only imagine... Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:33 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel Lovely. I wonder what it looked like in it's heyday. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
Very nice. Well composed and exposed. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:19:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com To: Pentax Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel Message-ID: 1350436767.53028.yahoomail...@web121805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick ? http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
Amazing shot. Just think of all the events that happened at that church: weddings, baptisms, funerals. It must feel quite special at that spot. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com Sent: October 16, 2012 10/16/12 To: Pentax List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Amazing shot. Just think of all the events that happened at that church: weddings, baptisms, funerals. It must feel quite special at that spot. I don't think any of those things would have happened - it was an abbey, full of monks. It would have been licentiousness, greed, usury, fornication, gluttony and probably idolatry, otherwise Henry VIII would not have dissolved it, surely. The monasteries and abbeys were a kind of corporate, multinational organisation owing their allegiance to Rome, populated by powerful and ambitious men at the top. They controlled enormous agricultural holdings and acted as a giant wealth magnetic, sucking money out of the poor, whom they exploited ruthlessly by lying to them about their souls, preventing them from getting an education and bamboozling them into believing that their position at the bottom of society was ordained by god and therefore unchangeable. Nuns were little more than the monks' sexual playthings, and other woman were beneath acknowledgement as human beings. B Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com Sent: October 16, 2012 10/16/12 To: Pentax List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
Oh. Didn't read the title. Problem with abbies is the were too successful. All that organization and slavish devotion made for prosperous islands in a time of want. Learned, prosperous islands, when it comes to that. Figures they would eventually attract the less-than-pious. I don't think the vow of poverty went all the way up to the Abbot... ;-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: October 17, 2012 10/17/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Amazing shot. Just think of all the events that happened at that church: weddings, baptisms, funerals. It must feel quite special at that spot. I don't think any of those things would have happened - it was an abbey, full of monks. It would have been licentiousness, greed, usury, fornication, gluttony and probably idolatry, otherwise Henry VIII would not have dissolved it, surely. The monasteries and abbeys were a kind of corporate, multinational organisation owing their allegiance to Rome, populated by powerful and ambitious men at the top. They controlled enormous agricultural holdings and acted as a giant wealth magnetic, sucking money out of the poor, whom they exploited ruthlessly by lying to them about their souls, preventing them from getting an education and bamboozling them into believing that their position at the bottom of society was ordained by god and therefore unchangeable. Nuns were little more than the monks' sexual playthings, and other woman were beneath acknowledgement as human beings. B Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com Sent: October 16, 2012 10/16/12 To: Pentax List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fountains Abbey Chancel
Quoth Bob W: It would have been licentiousness, greed, usury, fornication, gluttony and probably idolatry, otherwise Henry VIII would not have dissolved it, surely. That's right. Henry wanted to keep the licentiousness, greed, usury, fornication, and gluttony to himself. He also wanted to make sure he was the object of any idolatry. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Lovely. I wonder what it looked like in it's heyday. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Agreed, lovely! Standing for 900 years? I guess not to many earthquakes in those parts. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Lovely. I wonder what it looked like in it's heyday. On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: The view down the nave from (what once was) the chancel: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16519776size=lg Comments always appreciated. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
