Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
If you'd been on this list for at least three or so years, you'd have realized that truth is irrelevant to Mafud when he has erred on a statement of fact. Mafud's rules: 1.Mafud is never wrong concerning any fact. 2.If Mafud is ever wrong concerning any fact, reread rule number. The only thing left to do is just bait him slightly and watch the tirade. It's a hoot. FYI, Mafud is not stupid (he's quite intelligent), nor is he malicious. You are observing a personality disorder. He can't help it, so this behavior always eventually manifests itself. Regards, Bob... "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Mike Johnston wrote: > > > Mafud wrote: > > > > > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > > > digital for the same price as film. > > > > To get some actual data for this discussion, I called two different labs in > > Milwaukee, where I live. Both are full-service photographic labs that also > > do digital. > [snip] > > So, my good Mafud, if you expect me to believe that, IN YOUR AREA, no > > lab of any sort (custom, wedding, Wal-Mart) would do digital prints as > > inexpensively as prints from film, you are going to have to go get a > > little actual data and quote me verifiable numbers. If you won't, then > > I'm comfortable concluding that your statements on this topic are > > baseless. > > Thanks, Mike. I'm tempted to side with Aaron and say that Mafud is doing > this out of some sort of petty maliciousness, but I dunno... there's a > good chance that he really *is* that stupid. *L* Anyway, if the pro labs > that Isaac, Aaron and I quoted him didn't do the trick, maybe this will. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
It wasn't really said for your benefit. Regards, Bob... "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a message dated 12/6/01 12:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > > It never takes too long for who and what you are to come out. Thanks for > > being true to > > form, Mafud. I'd advise you to find a good therapist, but "Narcissists have > > no faults", > > and the cure rate is abysmally low anyway. > > > > > > How much are you going to bill me for that condescending, ersatz diagnosis > Bob? > As much as it's worth? > Then I don't owe you squat. > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 11:06 AM, Chris Brogden wrote: >> As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) >> technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, >> ~not a >> "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. > > Let's hope Aaron doesn't sue you for defamation here, Suda. I will step out of this thread, convinced once again that Mafud is deliberately causing a fight. He can't possibly be as stupid as this. Nothing bothers me more than crap like this being flung at my lab. My lab is my baby, and to have some moron like this talk garbage about both my lab and my skills in it WITHOUT EVER HAVING BEEN HERE OR EVER HAVING SEEN MY WORK, it cuts me right to the bone. No doubt, he will continue to post in this manner, because he knows that it hurts me and that I will react to it. For the sake of the list, I will simply not respond to him any more. Not once more. Sorry, PDML. I've posted a ton of useless stuff lately. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
Mafud wrote: > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. To get some actual data for this discussion, I called two different labs in Milwaukee, where I live. Both are full-service photographic labs that also do digital. One, Allied Digital Photo, caters more to the public and to lower-cost, higher-volume pros such as portrait studios and wedding shooters. Its prices for a print from a digital file, a conventional print from a negative, and a conventional print from a slide are all exactly the same for any size up to 10x15 inches: for example, $6.99 for an 8x10 and $13.99 for an 11x14. For all prints larger than 10x15 inches, whether it's from a digital file, negative, or transparency, Allied sells only inkjet prints made on an Epson 7500. Next, I called a full-service pro lab that does custom work and caters to studio professionals, Enlargement Works. Here are its prices: 8x10 print from a color negative: $15 8x10 print from a digital file: $15 8x10 print from a transparency: $16 11x14 print from a color negative: $28.50 11x14 print from a digital file: $28.50 11x14 print from a transparency: $29.50 These were the only two labs I called--I did not call several labs and pick only the data that fit my purposes. These are both dedicated photo businesses that offer a range of photo services and do all their work on premises. So, my good Mafud, if you expect me to believe that, IN YOUR AREA, no lab of any sort (custom, wedding, Wal-Mart) would do digital prints as inexpensively as prints from film, you are going to have to go get a little actual data and quote me verifiable numbers. If you won't, then I'm comfortable concluding that your statements on this topic are baseless. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
In a message dated 12/6/01 12:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It never takes too long for who and what you are to come out. Thanks for > being true to > form, Mafud. I'd advise you to find a good therapist, but "Narcissists have > no faults", > and the cure rate is abysmally low anyway. > > > > How much are you going to bill me for that condescending, ersatz diagnosis Bob? As much as it's worth? Then I don't owe you squat. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
It never takes too long for who and what you are to come out. Thanks for being true to form, Mafud. I'd advise you to find a good therapist, but "Narcissists have no faults", and the cure rate is abysmally low anyway. Regards, Bob... "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a message dated 12/6/01 8:24:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Okay, Mafud made a comment about how expensive digital prints are to make. > > This was in error. > > Not a true representation of what has transpired at all. > Some disingenuous PDML members, proposing that such an event can happen where > ~they~ live, kept the harangue going, I merely responded. Turns out that what > I know as a "lab" is not what they (any of them) think of as a "lab." What I > meant by "lab" was a "pro lab" as opposed to what they meant, one of them > equating his Walmart to my "pro lab." > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. > > ". All our resident lab technicians have jumped all over him repeatedly and > made sure the rest of us know he's wrong." > > As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) > technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, ~not a > "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. Since > I'm a (retired) professional with 37 years in the craft, my definition is far > more suitable to the topic than theirs. > **No way does an in-store Walmart minilab equate to "lab" in my professional > terminology. > > "Is it really necessary to continue to taunt him about it? Let's let it go, > huh? You guys are like snapping dogs around a wounded bear." > > I'm certain your condescension was meant as sarcasm Mike. You've failed to > make an impression as a conciliator, in that your own disingenuous nature > shows through. > As for my being "wounded:" ~NOT!~ > As for them being "snapping dogs"?.. you said it, not me. > > "And Mafud, you're *never* going to win an argument that digital is less > convenient than film, so maybe you'd better not go there any more!" > > Not against snapping dogs, eh Mike? > > "And now back to the facts. I went into my local camera store and had them > stick my SmartMedia card into their machine. It cost me $2.50 to have a very > nice 5x7 dye-sub print made on the spot. It took about 5 minutes, mainly > because the salesman who helped me wasn't very familiar with the machine's > controls. The print is pleasant to the point of seductive...makes me want a > dye-sub printer like the Olympus 400...<*sigh*>" > > --Mike > > Hey Mike. You should have gone to...Walmart and done it yourself on their > little do-it-yourself machine! You could have made yourself some beautiful > wallet sized, 8 x 10 or any size you want and in far less time. ~That's~ > what Walmarts are for. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not a true representation of what has transpired at all. Some > disingenuous PDML members, proposing that such an event can happen > where ~they~ live, kept the harangue going, I merely responded. Turns > out that what I know as a "lab" is not what they (any of them) think > of as a "lab." What I meant by "lab" was a "pro lab" as opposed to > what they meant, one of them equating his Walmart to my "pro lab." Seems that it's time for some new glasses, Mafud. Bill mentioned Wal~Mart, but Isaac, Aaron and myself gave specific examples of pro and semi-pro labs that charge the same for chemical prints as they do for film. You know, if you could read and acted a little less senile, this could be an interesting discussion. As it is, you're totally shutting yourself off from learning anything new. And to think that all this started because you made a generalized statement that you can't back up. Har! > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. Wrong-o, blind boy. > As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) > technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, ~not a > "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. Let's hope Aaron doesn't sue you for defamation here, Suda. > As for my being "wounded:" ~NOT!~ I'd say rigor mortis has set in, actually. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
from me too... Can we forget the analysis and just drop this one? Come to think of it can we not have an agreement whereby if any post is getting offensive or irritating we recognize this and simply stop replying to it? Oops I just violated that one already! > -Original Message- > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 December 2001 15:21 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes! > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes! > In a message dated 12/6/01 8:24:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Okay, Mafud made a comment about how expensive digital prints are to make. > > This was in error. > > Not a true representation of what has transpired at all. > Some disingenuous PDML members, proposing that such an event can happen where > ~they~ live, kept the harangue going, I merely responded. Turns out that what > I know as a "lab" is not what they (any of them) think of as a "lab." What I > meant by "lab" was a "pro lab" as opposed to what they meant, one of them > equating his Walmart to my "pro lab." > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. Wrong again. Our custom lab does all of their prints from slides digitally (on a Lightjet 5000), and they are virtually (within a couple of bucks) the same price as their Ilfochrome service. It is actually less expensive printing directly from a digital file because there is no scanning required. Perhaps your lab is not like this right now, but they will be, or else they will disappear. I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that "No way would a "pro lab" (any) do digital for the price of film." How's this, why would digital be more expensive? There is far less time involved, fewer redos (if any at all), and potentially a much more streamlined workflow at the lab. If any lab was "substantially" higher, I'd question their pricing, and probably go to another lab. > > ". All our resident lab technicians have jumped all over him repeatedly and > made sure the rest of us know he's wrong." > > As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) > technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, ~not a > "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. Since > I'm a (retired) professional with 37 years in the craft, my definition is far > more suitable to the topic than theirs. If you remember correctly, and you don't, you were initially railing against digital photography because it cost so much to get prints done. Well, it always costs to have stuff printed at a custom lab. But just like in film, there are always alternatives, and for the vast majority of people out there, these minilabs fit the bill. BTW, do you ever get 4x6 prints done at your "pro lab"? Guess what kind of machines they use to print them... > **No way does an in-store Walmart minilab equate to "lab" in my professional > terminology. Just like your rather loose definition of civilian huh? > > "Is it really necessary to continue to taunt him about it? Let's let it go, > huh? You guys are like snapping dogs around a wounded bear." > As soon as he stops announcing that his experience trumps all other actual realities, we'll stop. > Hey Mike. You should have gone to...Walmart and done it yourself on their > little do-it-yourself machine! You could have made yourself some beautiful > wallet sized, 8 x 10 or any size you want and in far less time. ~That's~ > what Walmarts are for. Often times, an image will not require fancy printing, and even basic equipment can give very satisfactory results, why go to a pro lab unless the image requires it? Isaac > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
Do we all need to take our Pentaxadril? Okay, Mafud made a comment about how expensive digital prints are to make. This was in error. All our resident lab technicians have jumped all over him repeatedly and made sure the rest of us know he's wrong. Is it really necessary to continue to taunt him about it? Let's let it go, huh? You guys are like snapping dogs around a wounded bear. And Mafud, you're *never* going to win an argument that digital is less convenient than film, so maybe you'd better not go there any more! And now back to the facts. I went into my local camera store and had them stick my SmartMedia card into their machine. It cost me $2.50 to have a very nice 5x7 dye-sub print made on the spot. It took about 5 minutes, mainly because the salesman who helped me wasn't very familiar with the machine's controls. The print is pleasant to the point of seductive...makes me want a dye-sub printer like the Olympus 400...<*sigh*> --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
