The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
Malcolm Smith wrote: [...] What we all need to do is agree there is a problem and how best to resolve it for everyone; although I suspect the 'facts' issued by governments helps to distract the various populations and allow themselves and big business largely get on with doing what it has always done, with mere lip service to the big issue. The Big Issue is really the big gap in logic between: 1. granting all the world the same level of living standard as the first world countries, and 2. continuing the economic growth in the first world countries An economic model to accomodate both does not exist. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
Well, The Big Issue is really the big gap in logic between: 1. granting all the world the same level of living standard as the first world countries, and 2. continuing the economic growth in the first world countries An economic model to accomodate both does not exist. Logically you're quite right, Jostein. But we deal with politics here, right? Politics has different logics than plain common sense. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
Boris Liberman wrote: An economic model to accomodate both does not exist. Logically you're quite right, Jostein. But we deal with politics here, right? Politics has different logics than plain common sense. So has economic theory, IMVHO. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:55:14 +0100 Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Big Issue is really the big gap in logic between: 1. granting all the world the same level of living standard as the first world countries, and jostein, much as i agree with most of your logic, i feel the need to butt in with the fact that 'living standard' does not necessarily equate to 'living happily' and that 'first world' is, in spite of the pompousness of the wording, by no means, an ideal... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
Thanks Subash! I used those terms specifically for their loaded content. :-) And you're absolutely right, of course. Jostein On 12/26/06, SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:55:14 +0100 Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Big Issue is really the big gap in logic between: 1. granting all the world the same level of living standard as the first world countries, and jostein, much as i agree with most of your logic, i feel the need to butt in with the fact that 'living standard' does not necessarily equate to 'living happily' and that 'first world' is, in spite of the pompousness of the wording, by no means, an ideal... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
Jostein Øksne wrote: Malcolm Smith wrote: [...] What we all need to do is agree there is a problem and how best to resolve it for everyone; although I suspect the 'facts' issued by governments helps to distract the various populations and allow themselves and big business largely get on with doing what it has always done, with mere lip service to the big issue. The Big Issue is really the big gap in logic between: 1. granting all the world the same level of living standard as the first world countries, and 2. continuing the economic growth in the first world countries An economic model to accomodate both does not exist. Jostein Actually one does. However it requires that we not look at earth's resources as the only ones available to us but rather to look to the entire solar system. The global economy is not a zero-sum game. It's raining soup out there and we're stuck in our tent. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
Jostein and Subash, Of course you are right. Living standards do not have to follow resource consumption or happy living. The traditional issues with living standards are life span and infant mortality. In other words, having enough resources to avoid death and disease. In my book, this is having a higher/happier standard of living. Regards, Bob S. On 12/26/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Subash! I used those terms specifically for their loaded content. :-) And you're absolutely right, of course. Jostein On 12/26/06, SJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:55:14 +0100 Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Big Issue is really the big gap in logic between: 1. granting all the world the same level of living standard as the first world countries, and jostein, much as i agree with most of your logic, i feel the need to butt in with the fact that 'living standard' does not necessarily equate to 'living happily' and that 'first world' is, in spite of the pompousness of the wording, by no means, an ideal... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Big Issue (was Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?)
On Dec 27, 2006, at 7:06 AM, SJ wrote: jostein, much as i agree with most of your logic, i feel the need to butt in with the fact that 'living standard' does not necessarily equate to 'living happily' and that 'first world' is, in spite of the pompousness of the wording, by no means, an ideal... I once saw a B.C. cartoon where a caveman was playing poker with some monkeys. The caveman was saying something like: OK, whoever wins get to spend their lives lazing around in trees eating bananas all day, while the losers have to spend their days working to support their society. I need to find it again so I can put a large copy on my wall :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
