Which 50mm? (was Re: Pancake SMC-M 40mm 2.8)

2003-10-15 Thread Ryan Lee
Thanks everyone for the input! Just lately I've been somewhat attracted to
the compactness of it. Lots more subtle than a 28-70 2.8 (don't need a
70-200 2.8 to intimidate people). Pity it's not AF..

Another query which definitely has been asked before (This should all be
archived somewhere shouldn't it..) which AF 50mm's best optically, how much,
and roughly how often on Ebay (or where else would I get one..)

Thx!
Ryan


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From: Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pancake SMC-M 40mm 2.8


 I've had two experiences with this lens, and a different attitude on
 my part the second time around is what made me realize its benefits.

 The first time I bought one, about three years ago, I used it on an
 ME Super. The size was wonderful, but my problem was that I was
 trying to use it like the 50mm f/1.7 or 50mm f/1.4 -- I was using it
 for available light photos indoors and was not pleased with its
 performance wide open. Since even the 50/1.7 performs much better
 than the pancake lens at f/2.8 (and can go more than a stop faster,
 too, of course), I felt it was always a tradeoff when I chose the
 40/2.8, even when I was outdoors, since I kept thinking I could be
 carrying a faster lens instead.

 I traded the pancake at some point, but I always missed it a bit.
 More recently, I picked one up for a more reasonable price and this
 time, I had two MXes and a different attitude. While the lens hadn't
 changed, I now appreciate its tremendous compactness and I don't take
 it along when I think I'm going to be shooting at f/2 or focusing in
 dim light. But it delivers very nice performance at most apertures,
 and seems fine at f/4 too, and even f/2.8 will do in a pinch if
 that's all you have. But it's no slower than Pentax's 28mm f/2.8 and
 24mm f/2.8 lenses, and it's faster than the screwmount 35mm, 28mm,
 and 24mm f/3.5 lenses I've had. So it's really all a matter of
 perspective. It's a great walkaround lens, it gives the camera a
 different balance (it tips a little bit backward instead of forward
 -- the balance in the hand is more like a rangefinder!), and it has
 the 40mm focal length, which really is a nice compromise between the
 35 and 50. It has the SMC coatings, doesn't need a lens hood and
 delivers nice saturated results.

 $125-$150 for one in nice condition is about right.

 Joe


 This has probably been asked before, but I was wondering how good this
lens
 (SMC M pancake 40mm 2.8) is and what it's worth.. Any experiences to
share?
 
 Optically, it is an okay lens imho, good but not great. The problem
 is that the focus ring is too narrow to use comfortably. The eBay
 price used to be unbelievably high, and many being tricked to
 believe it was rare, but should be quite a bit cheaper now. I think
 US$150 is a good price for a mint sample.
 
 Alan Chan
 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
 
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Re: Which 50mm? (was Re: Pancake SMC-M 40mm 2.8)

2003-10-15 Thread Alan Chan
Another query which definitely has been asked before (This should all be
archived somewhere shouldn't it..) which AF 50mm's best optically, how 
much,
and roughly how often on Ebay (or where else would I get one..)
If you don't need to shoot faster than f4, I recommend 50/1.4 (too soft near 
wide open imho). Otherwise, I prefer 43/1.9.

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RE: Which 50mm? (was Re: Pancake SMC-M 40mm 2.8)

2003-10-15 Thread Rob Brigham
Hmm, I often find myself using the FA50 1.4 at between 2.5 and 3.5.  Do
you think the 43 would be a significant step up for me?

 -Original Message-
 From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 15 October 2003 22:01
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Which 50mm? (was Re: Pancake SMC-M 40mm 2.8)
 
 
 Another query which definitely has been asked before (This 
 should all 
 be archived somewhere shouldn't it..) which AF 50mm's best 
 optically, 
 how much, and roughly how often on Ebay (or where else would I get 
 one..)
 
 If you don't need to shoot faster than f4, I recommend 50/1.4 
 (too soft near 
 wide open imho). Otherwise, I prefer 43/1.9.
 
 Alan Chan
 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
 
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RE: Which 50mm? (was Re: Pancake SMC-M 40mm 2.8)

2003-10-15 Thread Alan Chan
Hmm, I often find myself using the FA50 1.4 at between 2.5 and 3.5.  Do
you think the 43 would be a significant step up for me?
Don't think so. In fact, I don't think 43 is all that special optically. 31 
is biting sharp, and 77 has nice creamy feel and great bokeh. But 43? Well, 
I just don't see its specialty (okay it's small  metal). If wide open 
performance is important, I suggest you try 50/1.7.

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