Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 04:54:51PM +0200, Leen Besselink wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 02:35:13PM +, Marc van de Geijn wrote: > > Thanks, Arsen, for this information. > > > > Are there any statistics on the number of mailservers/... requesting SPF > > records instead of TXT records? > > > > I know some of the software on our mailservers doesn't even try SPF. > > isc.org and ietf.org do publish both, but they seem to be the exception. > > hotmail.com , gmail.com , sendmail.com and many others only have TXT and no > SPF. > Marc, I just remembered there is also this article: http://dankaminsky.com/2010/12/14/dnssec-ch2/ It has some statistics too. > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > > Van: Arsen STASIC [mailto:arsen.sta...@univie.ac.at] > > Verzonden: donderdag 6 september 2012 16:15 > > Aan: Marc van de Geijn > > CC: Peter van Dijk; pdns-users Users > > Onderwerp: Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records? > > > > * Marc van de Geijn [2012-09-05 16:14 (+)]: > > > According to rfc's the dns server should publish both spf and txt. We now > > > create the spf, but not the txt version of the same spf. > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > Just take into consideration the ongoing IETF discussion about obsoleting > > SPF RR. > > > > 12.1. The SPF DNS Record Type > > > >Per [RFC4408], the IANA assigned the Resource Record Type and Qtype > >from the DNS Parameters Registry for the SPF RR type with code 99. > >The format of this type is identical to the TXT RR [RFC1035]. The > >character content of the record is encoded as [US-ASCII]. Use of > >this record type is obsolete for SPF Version 1. > > > >IANA is requested to add an annotation to the SPF RRTYPE saying > >"(OBSOLETE - use TXT)" in the DNS Parameters registry. > > > >[NOTE TO RFC EDITOR: (to be changed to " ... has added ..." upon > >publication)] > > > > This is taken from the latest draft: > > https://tools.ietf.org/wg/spfbis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-06-from-05.wdiff.html > > > > just my 2ct > > -arsen > > ___ > > Pdns-users mailing list > > Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com > > http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users > ___ > Pdns-users mailing list > Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com > http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 02:35:13PM +, Marc van de Geijn wrote: > Thanks, Arsen, for this information. > > Are there any statistics on the number of mailservers/... requesting SPF > records instead of TXT records? > I know some of the software on our mailservers doesn't even try SPF. isc.org and ietf.org do publish both, but they seem to be the exception. hotmail.com , gmail.com , sendmail.com and many others only have TXT and no SPF. > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Arsen STASIC [mailto:arsen.sta...@univie.ac.at] > Verzonden: donderdag 6 september 2012 16:15 > Aan: Marc van de Geijn > CC: Peter van Dijk; pdns-users Users > Onderwerp: Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records? > > * Marc van de Geijn [2012-09-05 16:14 (+)]: > > According to rfc's the dns server should publish both spf and txt. We now > > create the spf, but not the txt version of the same spf. > > Hi Marc, > > Just take into consideration the ongoing IETF discussion about obsoleting SPF > RR. > > 12.1. The SPF DNS Record Type > >Per [RFC4408], the IANA assigned the Resource Record Type and Qtype >from the DNS Parameters Registry for the SPF RR type with code 99. >The format of this type is identical to the TXT RR [RFC1035]. The >character content of the record is encoded as [US-ASCII]. Use of >this record type is obsolete for SPF Version 1. > >IANA is requested to add an annotation to the SPF RRTYPE saying >"(OBSOLETE - use TXT)" in the DNS Parameters registry. > >[NOTE TO RFC EDITOR: (to be changed to " ... has added ..." upon >publication)] > > This is taken from the latest draft: > https://tools.ietf.org/wg/spfbis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-06-from-05.wdiff.html > > just my 2ct > -arsen > ___ > Pdns-users mailing list > Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com > http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
Thanks, Arsen, for this information. Are there any statistics on the number of mailservers/... requesting SPF records instead of TXT records? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Arsen STASIC [mailto:arsen.sta...@univie.ac.at] Verzonden: donderdag 6 september 2012 16:15 Aan: Marc van de Geijn CC: Peter van Dijk; pdns-users Users Onderwerp: Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records? * Marc van de Geijn [2012-09-05 16:14 (+)]: > According to rfc's the dns server should publish both spf and txt. We now > create the spf, but not the txt version of the same spf. Hi Marc, Just take into consideration the ongoing IETF discussion about obsoleting SPF RR. 12.1. The SPF DNS Record Type Per [RFC4408], the IANA assigned the Resource Record Type and Qtype from the DNS Parameters Registry for the SPF RR type with code 99. The format of this type is identical to the TXT RR [RFC1035]. The character content of the record is encoded as [US-ASCII]. Use of this record type is obsolete for SPF Version 1. IANA is requested to add an annotation to the SPF RRTYPE saying "(OBSOLETE - use TXT)" in the DNS Parameters registry. [NOTE TO RFC EDITOR: (to be changed to " ... has added ..." upon publication)] This is taken from the latest draft: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/spfbis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-06-from-05.wdiff.html just my 2ct -arsen ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
* Marc van de Geijn [2012-09-05 16:14 (+)]: > According to rfc's the dns server should publish both spf and txt. We now > create the spf, but not the txt version of the same spf. Hi Marc, Just take into consideration the ongoing IETF discussion about obsoleting SPF RR. 12.1. The SPF DNS Record Type Per [RFC4408], the IANA assigned the Resource Record Type and Qtype from the DNS Parameters Registry for the SPF RR type with code 99. The format of this type is identical to the TXT RR [RFC1035]. The character content of the record is encoded as [US-ASCII]. Use of this record type is obsolete for SPF Version 1. IANA is requested to add an annotation to the SPF RRTYPE saying "(OBSOLETE - use TXT)" in the DNS Parameters registry. [NOTE TO RFC EDITOR: (to be changed to " ... has added ..." upon publication)] This is taken from the latest draft: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/spfbis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-06-from-05.wdiff.html just my 2ct -arsen ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
According to rfc's the dns server should publish both spf and txt. We now create the spf, but not the txt version of the same spf. Met vriendelijke groet, Marc van de Geijn bHosted.nl Op 5 sep. 2012 om 15:27 heeft "Peter van Dijk" het volgende geschreven: > Hello Marc, > > On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:36 , Marc van de Geijn wrote: > >> I just googled for 30 minutes for information about SPF records. At this >> moment only SPF records are published, but we noticed that some mailservers >> still only check for TXT records. Is there some option in PowerDNS to >> automaticly publish SPF records also as TXT records? Or do we have to do >> that manually? > > > I have never heard of implementations that check SPF but not TXT. Are you > sure you need the SPF type at all? > > Kind regards, > -- > Peter van Dijk > Netherlabs Computer Consulting BV - http://www.netherlabs.nl/ > > ___ > Pdns-users mailing list > Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com > http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
Hello Marc, On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:36 , Marc van de Geijn wrote: > I just googled for 30 minutes for information about SPF records. At this > moment only SPF records are published, but we noticed that some mailservers > still only check for TXT records. Is there some option in PowerDNS to > automaticly publish SPF records also as TXT records? Or do we have to do that > manually? I have never heard of implementations that check SPF but not TXT. Are you sure you need the SPF type at all? Kind regards, -- Peter van Dijk Netherlabs Computer Consulting BV - http://www.netherlabs.nl/ ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
Hi, It would be really nice, because I don't like the idea of having to keep these records in sync. I'll add it to wiki as a feature request. Regards, Marc -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: pdns-users-boun...@mailman.powerdns.com [mailto:pdns-users-boun...@mailman.powerdns.com] Namens Ruben d'Arco Verzonden: woensdag 5 september 2012 10:03 Aan: pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com Onderwerp: Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records? Hi, You have to do this manually. I like the idea, so maybe add a feature request on the wiki for this? http://wiki.powerdns.com/trac Regards, Ruben On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:36:16AM +, Marc van de Geijn wrote: > Hi, > > I just googled for 30 minutes for information about SPF records. At this > moment only SPF records are published, but we noticed that some mailservers > still only check for TXT records. Is there some option in PowerDNS to > automaticly publish SPF records also as TXT records? Or do we have to do that > manually? > > Regards, > Marc > ___ > Pdns-users mailing list > Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com > http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
Re: [Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
Hi, You have to do this manually. I like the idea, so maybe add a feature request on the wiki for this? http://wiki.powerdns.com/trac Regards, Ruben On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:36:16AM +, Marc van de Geijn wrote: > Hi, > > I just googled for 30 minutes for information about SPF records. At this > moment only SPF records are published, but we noticed that some mailservers > still only check for TXT records. Is there some option in PowerDNS to > automaticly publish SPF records also as TXT records? Or do we have to do that > manually? > > Regards, > Marc > ___ > Pdns-users mailing list > Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com > http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
[Pdns-users] publish SPF and TXT records?
Hi, I just googled for 30 minutes for information about SPF records. At this moment only SPF records are published, but we noticed that some mailservers still only check for TXT records. Is there some option in PowerDNS to automaticly publish SPF records also as TXT records? Or do we have to do that manually? Regards, Marc ___ Pdns-users mailing list Pdns-users@mailman.powerdns.com http://mailman.powerdns.com/mailman/listinfo/pdns-users
