[PEIRCE-L] How to, and how to not block inquiry

[Helmut Raulien]

 
List,

I am asking myself, how is inquiry blocked, and how not. In the empirism- thread I had asked:

"Anyways, do inquiry blocks follow a certain pattern, like, declaring one aspect of philosophy for the main one, and others for epiphenomena or even irrelevant ones?".

I think, this is one way of blocking inquiry: taking an "-ism", or an "-istic turn" not for emphasis-putting, or starting point, but for a dogma of exclusivity.

But I think, apart from this crude and easy-to-uncover method, there are other, more subtle methods, such as:

Defining a phenomenon for principle.

A principle may be used for ground of explanation, a phenomenon may not. To simply say that some phenomenon is a principle makes explanation easy. Like to say that opium puts people at sleep because it contains a dormative principle.

The tricky thing about principles is, that they are hard to be defined as suchs, because they are starting points that cannot be deduced.

So you can never say: "This is a principle", but you can say "This is not a principle", if it can be deduced from other things.

Though sometimes deduction goes circular, then nobody knows exactly anything, at which point usually ideologies set in.

Anyway, to state a principle as part of metaphysics is a challenge. It has to be immunized against objections, which it usually can´t.

Example: Peirce´s "Habit". For him it is the principle of thirdness, but I don´t think so:

Habit is a mere phenomenon. It is a matter of learning. Learning requires a memory. A memory requires a solid network with changeable parts. That is, why water cannot have a memory.

I think, to define "habit" for principle, though it merely is a special phenmenon, is blocking inquiry. But maybe it isn´t, in case we have a circular deduction here, but I think it is justified to doubt that, because it is not immune to objection.

Best, helmut

 


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Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Empirical or inductive logic Open-ended logics?

[Helmut Raulien]

 
 

Supp-supplement: And, I think, that amongst the things about what is to be said more, is the subject of the difference between classification and composition (inclusion), which Russell had pointed out. The third one, between them (as there are always three- Peircean) is power. 1: Composition, 2.: Power, 3.: Classification. This distinctions are essential in many cases, e.g. to talk about "degenerateness" it is essential to know, that it merely applies to classification (sign classes), but not to composition (like a sign being composed of sign, object, interpretant). That was only my theory: Dont necessarily approve it.



 
 

Supplement: From Wikipedia and other internet articles I have got the strong idea, that Russell (of whom there was only one, he just had got very old) was a good guy. Might have called himself "atheist", but performatively always worked for the general good. So I wonder. Don´t bother to tell just me, if all others already know, I will try to find out myself where and when he was an inquiry-blocker, or an anti-transcendentalist, or a metaphysics-refuter.



Thank you, John, Stephen, and all, especially John, for your patient explanations and answers to my errors. From all I know, which is not much, I of course agree so far. Also, that someone has to clear the brushes. Have there been two Russells? I have read an article about Russell falsely claiming that Peirce did not sufficiently tell classification from inclusion, at the time Peirce still was alive. On the other hand Russell was contemporary with Spencer-Brown, in the nineteensixties. I would suggest Russell´s daughter to take part at the "Me too"- debate, for her being taken advantage of in the process of advertisement of "Laws Of Form". That was not very metaphysical or transcendental (categorical imperative, path is goal, and so on). Anyways, do inquiry blocks follow a certain pattern, like, declaring one aspect of philosophy for the main one, and others for epiphenomena or even irrelevant ones?.
Best, Helmut

 08. Juni 2018 um 16:44 Uhr
 "Stephen Curtiss Rose" 
wrote:


Wittgenstein, Peirce, and Nietzsche fit together and seeing that seems to me almost key to figuring out where we need to go. Of the three Peirce is the heavy lifter, Nietzsche the brush clearer and Wittgenstein the assent CSP needs to say what he does about science, metaphysics, and semiotics.

 








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On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

John,

Well put, indeed!

Kirsti M.

John F Sowa kirjoitti 3.6.2018 00:57:
On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
I vaguely recall that [Wittgenstein] said like: "About (this or that)
you must not speak"... I just remember that when I read it, I thought:
"No, you don´t tell me when to shut up".

That was from the his first book, the Tractatus.  He wrote that
while he was still following his mentors, Frege and Russell.

Russell and Carnap loved that book, because they misunderstood
his point.  There is much more to say.

Please read the signproc.pdf article.

John



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[Helmut Raulien]

 
 

Supplement: From Wikipedia and other internet articles I have got the strong idea, that Russell (of whom there was only one, he just had got very old) was a good guy. Might have called himself "atheist", but performatively always worked for the general good. So I wonder. Don´t bother to tell just me, if all others already know, I will try to find out myself where and when he was an inquiry-blocker, or an anti-transcendentalist, or a metaphysics-refuter.



Thank you, John, Stephen, and all, especially John, for your patient explanations and answers to my errors. From all I know, which is not much, I of course agree so far. Also, that someone has to clear the brushes. Have there been two Russells? I have read an article about Russell falsely claiming that Peirce did not sufficiently tell classification from inclusion, at the time Peirce still was alive. On the other hand Russell was contemporary with Spencer-Brown, in the nineteensixties. I would suggest Russell´s daughter to take part at the "Me too"- debate, for her being taken advantage of in the process of advertisement of "Laws Of Form". That was not very metaphysical or transcendental (categorical imperative, path is goal, and so on). Anyways, do inquiry blocks follow a certain pattern, like, declaring one aspect of philosophy for the main one, and others for epiphenomena or even irrelevant ones?.
Best, Helmut

 08. Juni 2018 um 16:44 Uhr
 "Stephen Curtiss Rose" 
wrote:


Wittgenstein, Peirce, and Nietzsche fit together and seeing that seems to me almost key to figuring out where we need to go. Of the three Peirce is the heavy lifter, Nietzsche the brush clearer and Wittgenstein the assent CSP needs to say what he does about science, metaphysics, and semiotics.

 








amazon.com/author/stephenrose








 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

John,

Well put, indeed!

Kirsti M.

John F Sowa kirjoitti 3.6.2018 00:57:
On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
I vaguely recall that [Wittgenstein] said like: "About (this or that)
you must not speak"... I just remember that when I read it, I thought:
"No, you don´t tell me when to shut up".

That was from the his first book, the Tractatus.  He wrote that
while he was still following his mentors, Frege and Russell.

Russell and Carnap loved that book, because they misunderstood
his point.  There is much more to say.

Please read the signproc.pdf article.

John



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Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Empirical or inductive logic Open-ended logics?

[Helmut Raulien]

Thank you, John, Stephen, and all, especially John, for your patient explanations and answers to my errors. From all I know, which is not much, I of course agree so far. Also, that someone has to clear the brushes. Have there been two Russells? I have read an article about Russell falsely claiming that Peirce did not sufficiently tell classification from inclusion, at the time Peirce still was alive. On the other hand Russell was contemporary with Spencer-Brown, in the nineteensixties. I would suggest Russell´s daughter to take part at the "Me too"- debate, for her being taken advantage of in the process of advertisement of "Laws Of Form". That was not very metaphysical or transcendental (categorical imperative, path is goal, and so on). Anyways, do inquiry blocks follow a certain pattern, like, declaring one aspect of philosophy for the main one, and others for epiphenomena or even irrelevant ones?.
Best, Helmut

 08. Juni 2018 um 16:44 Uhr
 "Stephen Curtiss Rose" 
wrote:


Wittgenstein, Peirce, and Nietzsche fit together and seeing that seems to me almost key to figuring out where we need to go. Of the three Peirce is the heavy lifter, Nietzsche the brush clearer and Wittgenstein the assent CSP needs to say what he does about science, metaphysics, and semiotics.

 








amazon.com/author/stephenrose








 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

John,

Well put, indeed!

Kirsti M.

John F Sowa kirjoitti 3.6.2018 00:57:
On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
I vaguely recall that [Wittgenstein] said like: "About (this or that)
you must not speak"... I just remember that when I read it, I thought:
"No, you don´t tell me when to shut up".

That was from the his first book, the Tractatus.  He wrote that
while he was still following his mentors, Frege and Russell.

Russell and Carnap loved that book, because they misunderstood
his point.  There is much more to say.

Please read the signproc.pdf article.

John



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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Empirical or inductive logic Open-ended logics?

[Stephen Curtiss Rose]

Wittgenstein, Peirce, and Nietzsche fit together and seeing that seems to
me almost key to figuring out where we need to go. Of the three Peirce is
the heavy lifter, Nietzsche the brush clearer and Wittgenstein the assent
CSP needs to say what he does about science, metaphysics, and semiotics.

amazon.com/author/stephenrose

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

> John,
>
> Well put, indeed!
>
> Kirsti M.
>
> John F Sowa kirjoitti 3.6.2018 00:57:
>
>> On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
>>
>>> I vaguely recall that [Wittgenstein] said like: "About (this or that)
>>> you must not speak"... I just remember that when I read it, I thought:
>>> "No, you don´t tell me when to shut up".
>>>
>>
>> That was from the his first book, the Tractatus.  He wrote that
>> while he was still following his mentors, Frege and Russell.
>>
>> Russell and Carnap loved that book, because they misunderstood
>> his point.  There is much more to say.
>>
>> Please read the signproc.pdf article.
>>
>> John
>>
>
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Empirical or inductive logic Open-ended logics?

[kirstima]

John,

Well put, indeed!

Kirsti M.

John F Sowa kirjoitti 3.6.2018 00:57:

On 6/2/2018 5:33 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:

I vaguely recall that [Wittgenstein] said like: "About (this or that)
you must not speak"... I just remember that when I read it, I thought:
"No, you don´t tell me when to shut up".


That was from the his first book, the Tractatus.  He wrote that
while he was still following his mentors, Frege and Russell.

Russell and Carnap loved that book, because they misunderstood
his point.  There is much more to say.

Please read the signproc.pdf article.

John



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WHY, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE & HOW TO PUBLISH ?
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