Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 5
Jon, You forget to look at the timeline of the flow of mails. you respended only after I addressed Gary R. So, it is you who has to watch for allegations. But, all in all, I get tired of this short memory triumvirate and will leave the list. By now the people I value left or keep silent. This podium is yours, enjoy. Auke > Op 22 juni 2021 om 20:06 schreef Jon Alan Schmidt : > > Auke, List: > > > > > AvB: With regard to the issue: who to ask for > clarification? See below, I started with Jon. But he didn't deem it worth to > address the issue when I asked him. > > > > > > On the contrary, I addressed the issue in my post last night ( > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-06/msg00192.html), which also > included the earlier responses from both Gary F. and Gary R. > > I suggest that offering supporting arguments for one's claims is more > likely to foster substantive discussion than merely making assertions and > allegations. > > Regards, > > Jon S. > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 1:41 AM Auke van Breemen < > peirce-l@list.iupui.edu mailto:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > wrote: > > > > > > Jon, Gary and Gary, > > > > Gnox already confessed not to be interested in the history of a > > tread, so it is to be expected that he responds without knowledge of > > context. > > > > With regard to the issue: who to ask for clarification? See below, > > I started with Jon. But he didn't deem it worth to address the issue when I > > asked him. So, when Gary R repeated the words in admiration, I decided to > > try him. > > > > Finally, Jas wrote that qualisense, etc (see below) are the > > firstness, secondness and thirdness of consciousness, without any further > > qualification. But we must not forget that we were discussing phaneroscopy. > > Occupied with tha phaneron only, we still have to take the step of > > consciousness of objects-referred-to and consciousness of interaction. > > > > Auke > > > > > Oorspronkelijk bericht -- > Van: Auke van Breemen < a.bree...@upcmail.nl > mailto:a.bree...@upcmail.nl > > Aan: Jon Alan Schmidt < jonalanschm...@gmail.com > mailto:jonalanschm...@gmail.com >, peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > mailto:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > Datum: 21 juni 2021 om 22:34 > Onderwerp: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 5 > > Jon, > > Instead of consciousness I would prefer awareness or, maybe still > better, apperception (in the sense of leibniz) but for the remainder it is a > good correction of Gary R's erronous response to Helmut and I think in line > with the intention of Helmuts remark. > > Auke > > > > Op 21 juni 2021 om 22:24 schreef Jon Alan Schmidt < > jonalanschm...@gmail.com mailto:jonalanschm...@gmail.com >: > > > > Helmut, Gary R., List: > > > > I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or > > qualisense/molition/habit-consciousness (1909) to be the 1ns/2ns/3ns of > > consciousness, not the 1ns/2ns/3ns of 1ns. As such, they result from the > > application of Peirce's three categories to the phenomenon of consciousness > > itself. Does that clarify the matter? > > > > Regards, > > > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran > > Christianhttp://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > > -http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 5
Auke, List: AvB: With regard to the issue: who to ask for clarification? See below, I started with Jon. But he didn't deem it worth to address the issue when I asked him. On the contrary, I addressed the issue in my post last night ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-06/msg00192.html), which also included the earlier responses from both Gary F. and Gary R. I suggest that offering supporting arguments for one's claims is more likely to foster substantive discussion than merely making assertions and allegations. Regards, Jon S. On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 1:41 AM Auke van Breemen wrote: > Jon, Gary and Gary, > > Gnox already confessed not to be interested in the history of a tread, so > it is to be expected that he responds without knowledge of context. > > With regard to the issue: who to ask for clarification? See below, I > started with Jon. But he didn't deem it worth to address the issue when I > asked him. So, when Gary R repeated the words in admiration, I decided to > try him. > > Finally, Jas wrote that qualisense, etc (see below) are the firstness, > secondness and thirdness of consciousness, without any further > qualification. But we must not forget that we were discussing phaneroscopy. > Occupied with tha phaneron only, we still have to take the step of > consciousness of objects-referred-to and consciousness of interaction. > > Auke > > -- Oorspronkelijk bericht -- > Van: Auke van Breemen > Aan: Jon Alan Schmidt , peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > Datum: 21 juni 2021 om 22:34 > Onderwerp: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 5 > > Jon, > > Instead of consciousness I would prefer awareness or, maybe still better, > apperception (in the sense of leibniz) but for the remainder it is a good > correction of Gary R's erronous response to Helmut and I think in line with > the intention of Helmuts remark. > > Auke > > Op 21 juni 2021 om 22:24 schreef Jon Alan Schmidt < > jonalanschm...@gmail.com>: > > Helmut, Gary R., List: > > I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or > qualisense/molition/habit-consciousness (1909) to *be the 1ns/2ns/3ns of > consciousness*, not the 1ns/2ns/3ns of 1ns. As such, they result from the > application of Peirce's three categories to the phenomenon of consciousness > itself. Does that clarify the matter? > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
[PEIRCE-L] Talmudic Logic Project - LUWebinar - June 23 - 4 pm CET
Speakers: Dov Gabbay and Tim Kampik ."The Talmudic Logic Project" Abstract: We describe the state of the Talmudic Logic project. The Talmud is the most comprehensive and fundamental work of Jewish religious law, employing a large number of logical components centuries ahead of their time. In many cases the basic principles are not explicitly formulated, which makes it difficult to formalize and make available to the modern student of Logic. This project on Talmudic Logic, aims to present logical analysis of Talmudic reasoning using modern logical tools. The aims of the project are two fold: (1) To import into the Talmudic study modern logical methods with a view to help understand complicated Talmudic passages, which otherwise cannot be addressed. (2) To export from the Talmud new logical principles which are innovative and useful to modern contemporary logic. As an example we present late-breaking results, in particular an argumentation approach for the treatment of doubt in Talmudic Logic, for which we can prove the satisfaction of a principle that comes from microeconomic theory, and which can be applied to other domains such as business decision automation and legal reasoning. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11787-019-00228-y Chair: Stanisław Krajewski and Marcin Trepczyński, organizers of the 2nd WORLD CONGRESS ON LOGIC AND RELIGION https://www.logicandreligion.com/2nd-world-congress editors of the LU special issue "Theological Discourse and Logic" https://link.springer.com/journal/11787/volumes-and-issues/13-4 Associate Organization: Logic And Religion Association (LARA) presented by its president Ricardo Silvestre https://www.logicandreligion.com/lara Registrate here to attend this Logica Universalis Webinar (LUW) session: https://www.springer.com/journal/11787/updates/18988758 Jean-Yves Beziau Organizer of LUW and President of LUA http://www.logica-universalis.org/LUAD _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 5
Jon, Gary and Gary, Gnox already confessed not to be interested in the history of a tread, so it is to be expected that he responds without knowledge of context. With regard to the issue: who to ask for clarification? See below, I started with Jon. But he didn't deem it worth to address the issue when I asked him. So, when Gary R repeated the words in admiration, I decided to try him. Finally, Jas wrote that qualisense, etc (see below) are the firstness, secondness and thirdness of consciousness, without any further qualification. But we must not forget that we were discussing phaneroscopy. Occupied with tha phaneron only, we still have to take the step of consciousness of objects-referred-to and consciousness of interaction. Auke Oorspronkelijk bericht -- Van: Auke van Breemen Aan: Jon Alan Schmidt , peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Datum: 21 juni 2021 om 22:34 Onderwerp: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 5 Jon, Instead of consciousness I would prefer awareness or, maybe still better, apperception (in the sense of leibniz) but for the remainder it is a good correction of Gary R's erronous response to Helmut and I think in line with the intention of Helmuts remark. Auke Op 21 juni 2021 om 22:24 schreef Jon Alan Schmidt : Helmut, Gary R., List: I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or qualisense/molition/habit-consciousness (1909) to be the 1ns/2ns/3ns of consciousness, not the 1ns/2ns/3ns of 1ns. As such, they result from the application of Peirce's three categories to the phenomenon of consciousness itself. Does that clarify the matter? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christianhttp://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt -http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM Gary Richmond < gary.richm...@gmail.com mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com > wrote: > Helmut, List, > > May I ask you, then, why do you think that Peirce posits a > primisense, altersense, and medisense; why Peirce finds in the phaneron not > just categorial1ns, but also 2ns and 3ns? Phenomenology is indeed a science > which deals with phenomena in their 1ns, but it would a very constricted > science if it restricted itself to primisense. Remember, we are speaking here > of a science (or, at least a "science egg"), and premisense, altersense, and > medisense in consideration of the phaneron are, again, Peirce's terms. Are > you suggesting that he was in error somehow by not restricting himself (and > us) to primisense? > > Best, > > Gary R > > > > “Let everything happen to you > Beauty and terror > Just keep going > No feeling is final” > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > > > Gary Richmond > Philosophy and Critical Thinking > Communication Studies > LaGuardia College of the City University of New York > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:07 PM Helmut Raulien < h.raul...@gmx.de > mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de > wrote: > > > > Gary, List > > > > Now I am confused. "already posited", so what? "2ns of > > 1ns", "3ns of 1ns"? Never heard of such things. Instead: 2ns and 3ns > > reentered into 1ns, like I wrote. Or do I have a serious error? > > > > Best > > Helmut > > > > > > 21. Juni 2021 um 21:40 Uhr > >"Gary Richmond" < gary.richm...@gmail.com > > mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > Helmut, > > > > You wrote: " I was thinking, phaneroscopy is the science > > of what happens in the primisense." > > > > I believe that it has already been posited that > > primisense (alternatively, qualisense) entails, in the context of > > phaneroscopy, the 1ns of 1ns, altersense, the 2ns of 1ns, and medisense, > > the 3ns of 1ns. After all, one discerns phenomenal 'content'/'expression' > > of not one but of three categories. > > > > Best, > > > > Gary R > > > > > > > > “Let everything happen to you > > Beauty and terror > > Just keep going > > No feeling is final” > > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > > > > > > Gary Richmond > > Philosophy and Critical Thinking > > Communication Studies > > LaGuardia College of the City University of New York > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:24 PM Helmut Raulien < > > h.raul...@gmx.de mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de > wrote: > > > > > > >
