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Helmut, list I'm not a theologian and so, my responses are 'common' rather than expert. My understanding of theism is that it's a belief system that is usually monotheistic, i.e., a belief in ONE god. This god is usually understood as supreme, 'exists as itself' so to speak ,self-sustained, is the original cause of all things, transcendent, etc. Monotheism, as I've said before, emerged only a few thousand years ago, and was found among large, settled populations. My own view is that it emerged as a societal means of enabling these large populations to have a common sense of themselves as a people. As with all belief systems, a belief system moves from one mode...and splits into several diverse variations, and theologians argue about revelation, miracles, whether or not god is involved with the actions of the world and can be a personal contact [if not, that's deism]. But the basic axioms, as I understand them, see god as a separate entity [whereas pantheism doesn't separate god from matter];, as the original creator of the universe, as transcendent or outside of human experience, Pantheism, to my understanding, rejects the notion of a separate entity [god] and instead, sees the whole universe as god. I personally consider that Peirce's outline of god as 'constantly creating the universe', as Mind, and his cosmology as self-organizing itself within Mindis an example of pantheism. [JAS, on the other hand, considers Peirce a theist]. I would say that a pantheist would not see this force/god/mind as a 'person', while it is easy for a theist to do so...which is also why one sees all the religious images of god-as-a-person. Monotheism is very different from polytheism, where the gods were indeed 'people' - and the Roman and Greek tales are wonderful examples of this. But eventually, as I analyze it, the population in the Mediterranean became too large for the local identities of polytheism - and the population moved to monotheism, which serves to bind together a large population. But as Jon Awbrey has pointed out, the theological analysis of 'god' can only be an abductive hypothesis. There's obviously no scientific evidence either way - ie, whether the conclusion is theism, polytheism, pantheism, atheism. The religious analysis, however, is quite different - and my analysis of why-does-a-religion-develop...is based on population size, economic mode, etc and can, I think, withstand scientific evidentiary scrutiny. Edwina On Wed 15/09/21 10:15 AM , Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de sent: Edwina, List, Is the difference between pantheism / universal quasi-mind, and theism, that theism says, that God is a person you can talk to, and also is the creator of the universe, so exists independently of it? To the first property, the person, I would say, why should the universal quasi-mind not have the properties of a person? The quantums-entanglement over extremely long distance e.g. cannot be used by humans for instantaneous telegraphing. But for the universe itself, it may be possible, why not. So, though the universe is the biggest possible spatial scale, it at the same time may be the smallest possible temporal scale, and able to think and act without delay. That would be quite a person, I would say, and trying to talk with this person is rational and not supersticious. The second theistic property is God being the creator of the universe, and existing independently of it. About this point any discussion about it is futile, because we are not able to look beyond the border of the universe to see whether there as well is a mind, and claiming that there is not brings about the question, what then created it. To say, that it self-emerged can only provocate the theistic answer, that an engineer, who does not merely make a machine, but make a generator that provides self-emergence of machines, is an even better engineer. So this second theist claim is a matter of plausibility alone. Only the question remains: How plausible is plausibility? But this is a circular question, an anti-tautology. To me the first point goes to the theists, and the second point too, not by deduction, but by aproximation procedure. Best, Helmut 15. September 2021 um 15:37 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Jon What a perfect comment and analysis!. Thanks so much. I look forward to your case study. Edwina On Wed 15/09/21 9:24 AM , Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net sent: Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 3 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/15/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-3/ Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/thrd14.html#00407 https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd4.html#00106 Re: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 2 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/11/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-2/ The fact most neglected about the Neglected
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Edwina, List, Is the difference between pantheism / universal quasi-mind, and theism, that theism says, that God is a person you can talk to, and also is the creator of the universe, so exists independently of it? To the first property, the person, I would say, why should the universal quasi-mind not have the properties of a person? The quantums-entanglement over extremely long distance e.g. cannot be used by humans for instantaneous telegraphing. But for the universe itself, it may be possible, why not. So, though the universe is the biggest possible spatial scale, it at the same time may be the smallest possible temporal scale, and able to think and act without delay. That would be quite a person, I would say, and trying to talk with this person is rational and not supersticious. The second theistic property is God being the creator of the universe, and existing independently of it. About this point any discussion about it is futile, because we are not able to look beyond the border of the universe to see whether there as well is a mind, and claiming that there is not brings about the question, what then created it. To say, that it self-emerged can only provocate the theistic answer, that an engineer, who does not merely make a machine, but make a generator that provides self-emergence of machines, is an even better engineer. So this second theist claim is a matter of plausibility alone. Only the question remains: How plausible is plausibility? But this is a circular question, an anti-tautology. To me the first point goes to the theists, and the second point too, not by deduction, but by aproximation procedure. Best, Helmut 15. September 2021 um 15:37 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Jon What a perfect comment and analysis!. Thanks so much. I look forward to your case study. Edwina On Wed 15/09/21 9:24 AM , Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net sent: Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 3 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/15/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-3/ Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/thrd14.html#00407 https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd4.html#00106 Re: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 2 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/11/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-2/ The fact most neglected about the Neglected Argument is its character as an abductive argument, a “Holy Guess” if you will to believe, and as such the most fallible and mutable of hypotheses a happily fallible creature can create. Its object is an hypostatic abstraction from human experience and the hypostasis has reality in virtue of whatever properties would be consistently assigned to it. Does the object of the guess take an active part in human evolution or does human evolution play its part in making and reshaping its best guess? | O time, thou must untangle this, not I. | It is too hard a knot for me t'untie. | | — Twelfth Night • Act 2 Scene 3 | https://oeis.org/wiki/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_%E2%80%A2_Part_11#A_Projective_Point_of_View Submitted pursuant to a case study on the role of phenomenology in science and the role of abductive inference in inquiry. Regards, Jon Resources = • Survey of Inquiry Driven Systems https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/27/survey-of-inquiry-driven-systems-3/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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What a perfect comment and analysis!. Thanks so much.
I look forward to your case study.
Edwina
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if you will to believe, and as such the most fallible
and mutable of hypotheses a happily fallible creature
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Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 3 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/15/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-3/ Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/thrd14.html#00407 https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd4.html#00106 Re: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 2 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/11/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-2/ The fact most neglected about the Neglected Argument is its character as an abductive argument, a “Holy Guess” if you will to believe, and as such the most fallible and mutable of hypotheses a happily fallible creature can create. Its object is an hypostatic abstraction from human experience and the hypostasis has reality in virtue of whatever properties would be consistently assigned to it. Does the object of the guess take an active part in human evolution or does human evolution play its part in making and reshaping its best guess? | O time, thou must untangle this, not I. | It is too hard a knot for me t'untie. | | — Twelfth Night • Act 2 Scene 3 | https://oeis.org/wiki/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_%E2%80%A2_Part_11#A_Projective_Point_of_View Submitted pursuant to a case study on the role of phenomenology in science and the role of abductive inference in inquiry. Regards, Jon Resources = • Survey of Inquiry Driven Systems https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/27/survey-of-inquiry-driven-systems-3/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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Jon A., List: Understood, I just thought that you might want to share my direct answer to your specific question with those other audiences. Thanks, Jon S. On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 11:25 AM Jon Awbrey wrote: > Dear Jon, > > I don't have the time I used to have for writing and here I'm just > reviewing and reflecting on thoughts from August. The resurrection of the > Neglected Argument is what formed the main attraction for me, as it took me > back to fondest days of first encountering Peirce. Searching the List as > best I could it appeared to be Phyllis who referred to it this time around, > so I started with the remarks I made in that context. > > Please understand I have zero interest in converting anyone either to or > fro any particular system of belief in matters of “ultimate concern”, as it > was phrased in some old course of comparative religion I took many years > ago. My interest here is exactly what is was back in the day I first read > NA, which is the nature and conduct of inquiry, most especially of the > scientific kind. Hence the inclusion under this new subject line. > > Regards, > > Jon > > On 9/11/2021 11:23 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > > Jon A., List: > > > > I replied to this post already, but I do not subscribe to the five other > > forums to which you sent it this time. Perhaps you could forward my > > response to them, or at least provide a link to it in the Peirce-L > archive ( > > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00112.html). > > > > Regards, > > > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:15 AM Jon Awbrey wrote: > > > >> Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 2 > >> > http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/11/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-2/ > >> > >> Re: Peirce List > >> https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/thrd14.html#00407 > >> ::: Phyllis Chiasson > >> https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/msg00427.html > >> Re: Peirce List > >> https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd4.html#00106 > >> ::: Edwina Taborsky > >> https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00106.html > >> > >> > >> Phenomenology is (with math) the underpinning of both scientific inquiry > >> and everyday reasoning. Improve one's capability for observation and > >> classification and you improve his/her ability to think and reason. > >> “Neglected Argument” has interesting things to say about the categories > and > >> this process as does “What Pragmatism Is”. > >> > >> > >> Cf: A Neglected Argument for the Reality of God > >> > https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Neglected_Argument_for_the_Reality_of_God > >> > >> Cf: What Pragmatism Is > >> https://arisbe.sitehost.iu.edu/menu/library/bycsp/whatis/whatpragis.htm > >> > >> Although the Neglected Argument was one of the first Peirce essays my > >> undergraduate philosophy advisor (who happened to be a Unitarian > minister) > >> gave me for contemplation — I remember coming to an unconventional, > >> indirect argument, ontological proof sort of epiphany near the end — I > >> can't say I've paid all that much attention to Peirce's theodicy since > >> those days, but I can't recall reading anything he wrote to distinguish > his > >> perspective from what is ordinarily called “deism”. Does he ever > declare > >> for the (male personified) anthropomorphic God, so capitalized, of > Abraham, > >> Luther, Calvin, or any other, literal, non‑metaphorical theism of that > kind? > >> > >> Resources > >> = > >> > >> • Survey of Inquiry Driven Systems > >> > >> > https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/27/survey-of-inquiry-driven-systems-3/ > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Jon > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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Dear Jon, I don't have the time I used to have for writing and here I'm just reviewing and reflecting on thoughts from August. The resurrection of the Neglected Argument is what formed the main attraction for me, as it took me back to fondest days of first encountering Peirce. Searching the List as best I could it appeared to be Phyllis who referred to it this time around, so I started with the remarks I made in that context. Please understand I have zero interest in converting anyone either to or fro any particular system of belief in matters of “ultimate concern”, as it was phrased in some old course of comparative religion I took many years ago. My interest here is exactly what is was back in the day I first read NA, which is the nature and conduct of inquiry, most especially of the scientific kind. Hence the inclusion under this new subject line. Regards, Jon On 9/11/2021 11:23 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: Jon A., List: I replied to this post already, but I do not subscribe to the five other forums to which you sent it this time. Perhaps you could forward my response to them, or at least provide a link to it in the Peirce-L archive ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00112.html). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:15 AM Jon Awbrey wrote: Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 2 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/11/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-2/ Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/thrd14.html#00407 ::: Phyllis Chiasson https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/msg00427.html Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd4.html#00106 ::: Edwina Taborsky https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00106.html Phenomenology is (with math) the underpinning of both scientific inquiry and everyday reasoning. Improve one's capability for observation and classification and you improve his/her ability to think and reason. “Neglected Argument” has interesting things to say about the categories and this process as does “What Pragmatism Is”. Cf: A Neglected Argument for the Reality of God https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Neglected_Argument_for_the_Reality_of_God Cf: What Pragmatism Is https://arisbe.sitehost.iu.edu/menu/library/bycsp/whatis/whatpragis.htm Although the Neglected Argument was one of the first Peirce essays my undergraduate philosophy advisor (who happened to be a Unitarian minister) gave me for contemplation — I remember coming to an unconventional, indirect argument, ontological proof sort of epiphany near the end — I can't say I've paid all that much attention to Peirce's theodicy since those days, but I can't recall reading anything he wrote to distinguish his perspective from what is ordinarily called “deism”. Does he ever declare for the (male personified) anthropomorphic God, so capitalized, of Abraham, Luther, Calvin, or any other, literal, non‑metaphorical theism of that kind? Resources = • Survey of Inquiry Driven Systems https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/27/survey-of-inquiry-driven-systems-3/ Regards, Jon _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inquiry Into Inquiry
Jon A., List: I replied to this post already, but I do not subscribe to the five other forums to which you sent it this time. Perhaps you could forward my response to them, or at least provide a link to it in the Peirce-L archive ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00112.html). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:15 AM Jon Awbrey wrote: > Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 2 > http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/11/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-2/ > > Re: Peirce List > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/thrd14.html#00407 > ::: Phyllis Chiasson > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/msg00427.html > Re: Peirce List > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd4.html#00106 > ::: Edwina Taborsky > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00106.html > > > Phenomenology is (with math) the underpinning of both scientific inquiry > and everyday reasoning. Improve one's capability for observation and > classification and you improve his/her ability to think and reason. > “Neglected Argument” has interesting things to say about the categories and > this process as does “What Pragmatism Is”. > > > Cf: A Neglected Argument for the Reality of God > https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Neglected_Argument_for_the_Reality_of_God > > Cf: What Pragmatism Is > https://arisbe.sitehost.iu.edu/menu/library/bycsp/whatis/whatpragis.htm > > Although the Neglected Argument was one of the first Peirce essays my > undergraduate philosophy advisor (who happened to be a Unitarian minister) > gave me for contemplation — I remember coming to an unconventional, > indirect argument, ontological proof sort of epiphany near the end — I > can't say I've paid all that much attention to Peirce's theodicy since > those days, but I can't recall reading anything he wrote to distinguish his > perspective from what is ordinarily called “deism”. Does he ever declare > for the (male personified) anthropomorphic God, so capitalized, of Abraham, > Luther, Calvin, or any other, literal, non‑metaphorical theism of that kind? > > Resources > = > > • Survey of Inquiry Driven Systems > > https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/27/survey-of-inquiry-driven-systems-3/ > > Regards, > > Jon > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inquiry Into Inquiry
Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 2 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/11/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-2/ Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/thrd14.html#00407 ::: Phyllis Chiasson https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-08/msg00427.html Re: Peirce List https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/thrd4.html#00106 ::: Edwina Taborsky https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00106.html Phenomenology is (with math) the underpinning of both scientific inquiry and everyday reasoning. Improve one's capability for observation and classification and you improve his/her ability to think and reason. “Neglected Argument” has interesting things to say about the categories and this process as does “What Pragmatism Is”. Cf: A Neglected Argument for the Reality of God https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Neglected_Argument_for_the_Reality_of_God Cf: What Pragmatism Is https://arisbe.sitehost.iu.edu/menu/library/bycsp/whatis/whatpragis.htm Although the Neglected Argument was one of the first Peirce essays my undergraduate philosophy advisor (who happened to be a Unitarian minister) gave me for contemplation — I remember coming to an unconventional, indirect argument, ontological proof sort of epiphany near the end — I can't say I've paid all that much attention to Peirce's theodicy since those days, but I can't recall reading anything he wrote to distinguish his perspective from what is ordinarily called “deism”. Does he ever declare for the (male personified) anthropomorphic God, so capitalized, of Abraham, Luther, Calvin, or any other, literal, non‑metaphorical theism of that kind? Resources = • Survey of Inquiry Driven Systems https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/27/survey-of-inquiry-driven-systems-3/ Regards, Jon _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inquiry Into Inquiry
Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • Discussion 1 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/09/inquiry-into-inquiry-discussion-1/ Re: Inquiry Into Inquiry • On Balance https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/08/inquiry-into-inquiry-on-balance/ Re: Laws of Form https://groups.io/g/lawsofform/topic/inquiry_into_inquiry/85461438 ::: Peter Jones ( https://groups.io/g/lawsofform/message/862 ) I realise, in brief, the extent of your project — • Inquiry Driven Systems ( https://oeis.org/wiki/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_%E2%80%A2_Overview ) • Problem ( https://oeis.org/wiki/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_%E2%80%A2_Part_1#Problem ) but reading your post makes me wonder about the core aspects of my own — nursing / health care — focus that also happens to have generic utility. Dear Peter, I have a few bits of work on my plate at the moment — I will try to make a fuller reply in a day or two. My wife, Susan Awbrey, and I have various degrees of acquaintance with nursing research, a smattering for me and much more for her. Sue's doctorate is in Educational Systems Design. She served as an assistant professor and director of learning resources at the Michigan State University College of Nursing through most of the 1980s, collaborating with nurse researchers on issues of instructional design and information technology. During 1989–91 we both had positions at the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB) School of Nursing in Galveston. I had a faculty associate position consulting on research statistics, computing, and database management, meanwhile doing research on the hot new areas of AI applications to medical knowledge, diagnosis as abductive reasoning, physiological cybernetics, the novice/expert shift, and bridging the gap between qualitative and quantitative research methodologies. Regards, Jon Resources = • Survey of Inquiry Driven Systems ( https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/27/survey-of-inquiry-driven-systems-3/ ) inquiry into inquiry: https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/ academia: https://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey oeiswiki: https://www.oeis.org/wiki/User:Jon_Awbrey facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/JonnyCache _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Inquiry Into Inquiry
Cf: Inquiry Into Inquiry • On Balance http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/09/08/inquiry-into-inquiry-on-balance/ Re: Inquiry Into Inquiry https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2005/12/09/inquiry-into-inquiry/ All, Everyone knows what it means to have obstacles to overcome or events to understand and how we go hunting for whatever action, model, or theory will do the trick. Other times we have a scheme or theory all ready in mind — like a key we try on every door we find. It is not unusual to shift from one stance to the other, perhaps many times a day, and even the most balanced among us may pass through phases of life exploring the extremes in one direction or the other. Luckily if all too painfully, an inward sense of disharmony or an outward clash with reality will nudge us back to center, if we but pay the due attention. Regards, Jon On 12/21/2012 2:28 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: Peircers, Here are the prettified versions of some recent posts to the List: Paradigms, Playgrounds, Programmes, Programs http://wp.me/p24Ixw-ml Demonstrative And Otherwise http://wp.me/p24Ixw-ms Constants, Inconstants, and Higher Order Propositions http://wp.me/p24Ixw-mM Theme One • A Program Of Inquiry : 1 http://wp.me/p24Ixw-n0 Theme One • A Program Of Inquiry : 2 http://wp.me/p24Ixw-na Salubrious Solstice! Jon _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
