Re: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Little Known Facts (was Geometry language

2023-05-20 Thread John F Sowa
Kingsley,

Your example shows that GPT can do some really deep searching.  As another 
challenge, I'll suggest another case that some friends of mine at MIT 
encountered.  I had met the person in this case, but I don't remember his name. 
 However, I'm fairly sure that I would recognize the name if I saw or heard it.

This person was a musician and composer from Massachusetts. who had been 
teaching those subjects at some school in the 1950s.  Those were the days of 
the McCarthy hearings about Communism in government, schools, etc.  His school, 
like most in the US, was required to ask all employees to sign a document that 
he was not and never had been a member of the Communist Party.   He refused to 
sign and lost his teaching job.

At MIT, some friends of mine decided to take his course in music composition.  
That's about all I know about him.  I don't remember his name, but I would 
recognize it if I saw it.

Since the names of the people who had been investigated by McCarthy are a 
matter of public record, this information is probably buried in some public 
records somewhere.  Could GPT dig it out?   And I would be curious to know what 
eventually happened to him.

John


From: "Kingsley Idehen' via ontolog-forum" 
Sent: 5/20/23 1:20 PM
To: ontolog-fo...@googlegroups.com, John F Sowa 
Cc: Peirce List 
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Little Known Facts (was Geometry language

On 5/20/23 10:02 AM, John F Sowa wrote:

Anatoly,

Thanks for finding those articles.   Vissarion Shebalin was the composer I was 
thinking of.  I remembered the letter V in his name, but I didn't remember 
whether it was his first or last name.  But as soon as I saw the name in the 
article by Yuri Vagzadin, it rang a bell (in my brain, not on the computer).  
The article I read was primarily about Shebalin.  I had thought he was a 19th c 
composer, but he was born in 1902.

>From the Wikipedia article about Shebalin:  In 1953, Shebalin suffered a 
>stroke, followed by another stroke in 1959, which impaired most of his 
>language capabilities.[5] Despite that, just a few months before his death 
>from a third stroke in 1963, he completed his fifth symphony, described by 
>Shostakovich as "a brilliant creative work, filled with highest emotions, 
>optimistic and full of life."

That reference [5] is to a book.  I read an article that was primarily about 
the neural issues, but the quotation is very close to what I remembered.

Timna Mayer's article is written by a musician who has a deep understanding of 
music and a minimal understanding of the neural issues.  Since GPT is a purely 
verbal system, it puts a high priority on left brain functions, and it's 
important to understand what GPT is missing.  I recommend it.

John


From: "Anatoly Levenchuk" 

Google has answers in two encyclopedia-level sources:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Schnittke -- "In 1985 Schnittke 
suffered the first of two severe strokes. Upon recovery, he continued to 
compose. In 1992 he was a winner of the Praemium Imperiale, awarded by the 
Japan Art Association for lifetime achievement in the arts. In 1994, in New 
York City, he attended the National Symphony Orchestra’s world premiere of his 
spectral Symphony No. 6 (1993), dedicated to and conducted by Rostropovich".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Schnittke -- has a mention of significance 
of his after-stroke outputs.

"July 1985, Schnittke suffered a stroke that left him in a coma. He was 
declared clinically dead on several occasions, but recovered and continued to 
compose".

"As his health deteriorated from the late 1980s, Schnittke started to abandon 
much of the extroversion of his earlier polystylism and retreated into a more 
withdrawn, bleak style, quite accessible to the lay listener. The Fourth 
Quartet (1989) and Sixth (1992), Seventh (1993) and Eighth (1994) symphonies 
are good examples of this. Some Schnittke scholars, such as Gerard McBurney, 
have argued that it is the late works that will ultimately be the most 
influential parts of Schnittke's output".

And about his Russian origin: "Schnittke is referred variously as a "Russian 
composer", a "composer of Jewish-German ancestry born in Russia", and "of part 
German descent, the Russian composer". On the complications of his nationality 
and ancestry, the musicologist Alexander Ivashkin reflected that he was "a 
Russian composer with a typically German name, born in Russia without a drop of 
Russian blood, in the town of Engels – once the capital of a German republic in 
the Soviet Union – of a Jewish (but German-speaking) father and German mother; 
a composer who has no home country, who is a foreigner everywhere".

And then: "Sudden Changes in the Musical Brain Indicated by Left Hemispheric 
Strokes: How Left Brain
Damage Changed Alfred Schnittke's Compositional Style" by Timna Mayer -- 

RE: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Little Known Facts (was Geometry language

2023-05-20 Thread John F Sowa
Anatoly,

Thanks for finding those articles.   Vissarion Shebalin was the composer I was 
thinking of.  I remembered the letter V in his name, but I didn't remember 
whether it was his first or last name.  But as soon as I saw the name in the 
article by Yuri Vagzadin, it rang a bell (in my brain, not on the computer).  
The article I read was primarily about Shebalin.  I had thought he was a 19th c 
composer, but he was born in 1902.

>From the Wikipedia article about Shebalin:  In 1953, Shebalin suffered a 
>stroke, followed by another stroke in 1959, which impaired most of his 
>language capabilities.[5] Despite that, just a few months before his death 
>from a third stroke in 1963, he completed his fifth symphony, described by 
>Shostakovich as "a brilliant creative work, filled with highest emotions, 
>optimistic and full of life."

That reference [5] is to a book.  I read an article that was primarily about 
the neural issues, but the quotation is very close to what I remembered.

Timna Mayer's article is written by a musician who has a deep understanding of 
music and a minimal understanding of the neural issues.  Since GPT is a purely 
verbal system, it puts a high priority on left brain functions, and it's 
important to understand what GPT is missing.  I recommend it.

John


From: "Anatoly Levenchuk" 

Google has answers in two encyclopedia-level sources:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Schnittke -- "In 1985 Schnittke 
suffered the first of two severe strokes. Upon recovery, he continued to 
compose. In 1992 he was a winner of the Praemium Imperiale, awarded by the 
Japan Art Association for lifetime achievement in the arts. In 1994, in New 
York City, he attended the National Symphony Orchestra’s world premiere of his 
spectral Symphony No. 6 (1993), dedicated to and conducted by Rostropovich".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Schnittke -- has a mention of significance 
of his after-stroke outputs.

"July 1985, Schnittke suffered a stroke that left him in a coma. He was 
declared clinically dead on several occasions, but recovered and continued to 
compose".

"As his health deteriorated from the late 1980s, Schnittke started to abandon 
much of the extroversion of his earlier polystylism and retreated into a more 
withdrawn, bleak style, quite accessible to the lay listener. The Fourth 
Quartet (1989) and Sixth (1992), Seventh (1993) and Eighth (1994) symphonies 
are good examples of this. Some Schnittke scholars, such as Gerard McBurney, 
have argued that it is the late works that will ultimately be the most 
influential parts of Schnittke's output".

And about his Russian origin: "Schnittke is referred variously as a "Russian 
composer", a "composer of Jewish-German ancestry born in Russia", and "of part 
German descent, the Russian composer". On the complications of his nationality 
and ancestry, the musicologist Alexander Ivashkin reflected that he was "a 
Russian composer with a typically German name, born in Russia without a drop of 
Russian blood, in the town of Engels – once the capital of a German republic in 
the Soviet Union – of a Jewish (but German-speaking) father and German mother; 
a composer who has no home country, who is a foreigner everywhere".

And then: "Sudden Changes in the Musical Brain Indicated by Left Hemispheric 
Strokes: How Left Brain
Damage Changed Alfred Schnittke's Compositional Style" by Timna Mayer -- 
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/591b1b5be4fcb5e7bff44226/t/59ee18eaec4eb75eb1231a62/1508776172008/Schnittke+Paper+New.pdf

"Chapter 7 - Stroke, music, and creative output: Alfred Schnittke and other 
composers" by Yuri Zagvazdin -- 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S007961231477?via%3Dihub

Best regards,
Anatoly
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