[PEN-L:3816] Re: Cohen and Historical Materialism

1995-01-18 Thread Jim Devine


On Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:40:32 -0800 Justin Schwartz said:
On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Jim Devine wrote:
 Justin, on your reference to G.A. Cohen's reconstruction of historical
 materialism, I would add the adjective "failed."  He produced a
 technological-determinist theory of history that differs w  quite
 radicaly from Marx's materialist conception of history

The situation with Cohen is more complex than you suggest. In the first
place you dispute only the accuracy of Cohen's scholarship, viz. whether
he has Marx right. Whether or not he does, however, what Cohen produced
was probably the clearest, most precise and coherent, best articulated
statement of a Marxian theory of history we have.

If it's not a good representation of Marx's view, in what way is it
Marxian?  This point is reinforced by the fact that the technological-
determinist theory is a bourgeois theory that precedes Marx.
See, for example, Comninel
RETHINKING THE FRENCH REVOLUTION (1987, Verso) and Rigby, MARXISM
AND HISTORY (1987, St. Martin's).  Both cite Meek 1976 MARXISM AND
THE IGNOBLE SAVAGE (C.U.P.) Marx was clearly influenced by this
t-d theory (which shows up in Smith, among others), but seems to
have moved toward the vol. III theory in which it's the mode of
production of the surplus (the mode of exploitation) which
reveals the inner secrets of a social formation (ch. 47, s. 2).
(I'd guess that Marx's relationship with t-d theory is a lot
like his relationship with Ricardo. He learned a lot but
did so critically and then moved on to better stuff.)

The problem for Cohen's theory that arises from Marx's theory
is that as Marx argues (but authors such as Braverman make clear),
the nature and speed of technological change are endogenous,
to a large extent _determined by_ the mode of exploitation.
In the postface to the 2nd edition of CAPITAL, Marx quotes
a reviewer favorably as summarizing Marx as saying that
each economic system has its own laws of population. The
same applies to the laws of technology, as Marx describes
how the capitalist lust for profits influences the kind of
machines introduced and the way in which they are used.
Technological determinism only works if technological change
(both its quality and quantity) are exogenously given.

Tech. determinism is even weaker than genetic determinism,
because most of the time, an individual's genes don't change
due to environmental influence. And these changes aren't
transmitted to the young, unless Lamarck and Lysenko were
right. Technology is affected severly by the societal
environment and is transmitted to future generations.

 Unfortunately the less
technologically determinist accounts tend to either degenerate into
handwaving when it comes to discussing (a) revolutionary transitions from
one mode of production to another and (b) specifying a non t-d sort of
determination of the superstructure by the base or the relations of the
base to the productive forces, either that, or they degenerate into an
ill-theorized eclectic multi-causalism which doesn't capture anything that
might be specifically called "materialist." . . .

Except compared to the vaguest multi-causalism,
I don't see determinism as a virtue (and I'd like to know what
_you_ mean by "materialism").  What's the advantage of a
deterministic theory if reality isn't deterministic?

To my mind, the point of a
theory of history is NOT to present a heart-warming story
of how victory is inevitable (to cheer us as the Newtron
bomb hits DC). Rather, it is to figure out what parts of
the historical process have "nature-like" or "automatic"
laws of motion and _what parts don't_ (and the relationship
between these two types of parts). The multi-causalists
reject the former, while Cohen et al reject the latter.
Both are missing something.

Historical change is not pre-
determined.  There is NO automatic march to socialism. The
2nd and 3rd Internationals were hurt by their mechanistic
visions of determinism.  Lenin, whatever his other faults,
at least got away from determinism, knowing that individual
actions and decisions (or group actions and decisions) can
have important effects (not always good, but that's another
issue). Getting beyond Lenin,
there is a role in history for organizing the
opposition to the system. Without an organized and conscious
opposition, it won't matter if capitalism falls apart.
The capitalists will put the pieces back together again (after
a period of chaos, of course). "Automatic Marxism" of the
sort that Cohen formalizes misses this point completely. On
this, I recommend Mike Lebowitz's book, BEYOND CAPITAL,
1992, St. Martin's: ch. 7.

Also, one of the problems with Cohen is that he takes the semi-
determinism that Marx saw in the laws of motion of capitalism
and says that they apply transhistorically.  That is, Marx
saw a clash between the forces and relations of production
as rising automatically under capitalism (with the actual
results of this clash depending on class struggle). Cohen

[PEN-L:3817] Re: New Party piece

1995-01-18 Thread Elaine Bernard

Come'on Doug, play nice.  In the same spirit that I took up
J. Case, I'm sure you don't mean CP as a term of endearment.
Play nice boys!  There's some real politics here, so cut out
the red baiting bullshit.  I think the real CP, Trotskyist,
New Left, American Left legacy is ignoring political differences
and real discussion and decending everything to the level of
name calling.  If you don't agree with me, you're a (fill in
the gap) and therefore your criticism is unworthy of further
concern or debate.

On the issue of NYC I tend to think that it is rather unusual.
The largest city in the country, with strange, strange, politics.
I wish Mike Davis who move there and do for NY what he did
for LA in CITY OF QUARTZ.  However, that aside, I do think
that in building a grassroots, democratic, membership based
political party that Madison, Milwaukee, Little Rock, etc
will be more typical than NYC.

As for the fusion tactic, the difficulty here is keeping as
a tactic, and only a tactic, to gain state wide (or city wide
or whatever level the group is interested in apply it) ballot
status.  The barriers that the state has set up in this country
to prevent democratic self-organization in elections is worthy
of a totalitarian state.  It's a real barrier and problem for
any third party.

My view is there will be opportunists in the New Party, and
sectarians, and we'll go too slow sometimes and too quickly
other times.  But in a grassroots democratic party if we
build a culture of real debate, over policy and tactics
I believe we will be able to resolve differences -- and
in fact, on occasion operate quite differently in different
states and communities depending on the strength of the
organization and it's level of organization (that is, has
it elected people, does it have access to ballot status,
has it been able to reform election laws...)

Because I believe this discussions are absolutely essential
to the growth and development of any third party, I think
it's important for leftist, who agree or are critical of
specific tactics, actions or policies to aid in creating
a political culture where these issues can be debated and
discussed on their merits -- not on who is an trot or who
is a stalinist.

Elaine Bernard



[PEN-L:3819] Re: New Party piece

1995-01-18 Thread JDCASE

I would happily plead guilty to Stalinism if I weren't sure that
Stalin was more of a Trotskyist than and Leninist...but Elaine is right that
the debate in THESE terms is moot until the next revolutionary upheaval.
In fact it obscures the truth which my story of the strike was meant to tell
--the working class, upon which constituency I believe any genuine political
indepenendent movement must arise, will in th main reject left sectarianism
whatever its name. Its one of the interesting points of unity between 
skilled, unskilled, African-American, Mexican - American, Asian - American,
women and men workers. Sectarianism is not radicalism. I have seen
many shops adopt radical tactics, measures and positions, when convincing
arguments are presented tht they promise a better result for the sacrifice
of struggle.
I cannot agree with Elaine, however, that a "culture of debate" is 
precisely what the labor movement needs to advance political independence.
I think there has been an abundance of debate but a shortage of programatic
work, especially in the area of economics. Maybe Elaine views the purpose
of the culture of debate as serving this end. If so, then, yes I too am
for more of such "culture". But much of the debate I read and hearskirts the key 
challenges to organizing workers today, such as:
   **how to frame the economic demands of the unorganized workers in political
 terms--since under current labor law these workers have no right to 
 organize into tradtional unions.

   **a new analysis and program of workers'control of workplace that confronts
 directly and CORRECTS the weaknesses of the Soviet workplace culture
 which in my view contributed greatly to eht collapse of socialism.
 The issues raised by the ongoing quality circle--team concept in the
 context of modern production are important, even though the bosses raise
 them mostly in an anti-union framework (how else would THEY ever raise 
 them?).

  In my experience with the New Party its weaknesses stem from vagueness
on program. Its clear in most campaigns what their against, but not what
they're for. But the same can be said of most of us on the left. I was 
interested in the responses to my assertion that I knew of no party
that did not arise out of (at least in large part) an internal struggle
within an old party or parties. The Black Panther Party, to the extent
it engaged in POLITICAL as opposed to strictly DEFENSE activety was
INTIMATELY connected to the Democratic clubs and committees in the 
African American communities of Buffalo and Cleveland (the cities where
I lived during the Panther's life). I have no knowledge of the Canadian
formation mentioned (at least its origins), but will investigate.
   It occurredto me that the African National Congress was the most
recent notable exception to my statement, which should at least be
changed to state: "I know of now new political party that has arisen
EXCEPT from a struggle within an older party--unless it arose upon
a base previously wholly disenfranchised."
   In any event, no emergent party can ignore the divisions among Democratic
voters or candidates if it seeeks to win any election. Any campaign
run on ISSUES especially in local areas will find common cause with
thousands of voters who will in other races vote Democratic (and should
be able to do so). The TEST of independence will not be the presence or
absence of opportunists somehwre in the ranks or leadership (this is
inevitable in any mass movement) -- but in the credibility of the 
program to deal with the issues, and if elections are won, the abilty
to mobilize the base to defend itself against the certain and
ruthless counter-offensive of the corporations. Unfortunately thisis
where liberalism falls apart. Only whether the working poepole are 
sufficiently organized and united to FORCE the issues can bring
a positive conclusion. Whether or not the culture of debate is 
adequate to satisfy intellectuals will not affect the outcome at
all once the battle is joined. Which brings up (for me) the next biggest question. 
It is 
undebatable to me that the actual battles for power require a high
degree (ALMOST military degree) of discipline inorder for workers
to effectively use the power that they have. Within workers organizations
prior to a decision being taken, it has often (not always) beentrue in
my experience that debate is fierce and plentiful. Were it not, then
the decisions taken to engage in a difficult struggle would have little
effect or meaning. If, during the struggle and before its successful
conclusion, debate is opened up again, the effect, almost without
exception, is to end the struggle. The boss wins. It doesn't make any
difference what the merits of opposing sidesin the debate may be insofar
as the instant strggle goes.  This question is no new news to most
local unions who have ever been involved in a strike. The PROBLEM is
what happens AFTER the strike, struggle, 

[PEN-L:3820] Re: rationality

1995-01-18 Thread kevin quinn

This is in response to Robin's comments on rationality.

I agree with Robin that institutions  shape the selves whose lives 
they structure, and in this context that the instrumentally rational agents 
that people rational choice models tend to be produced by the universal 
reign of markets. I think an appreciation of this, though, must lead to 
an attempt to formulate a thicker notion of rationality, if we are to do 
what Robin wants to do--evaluate institutions.

Once we appreciate the shaping of agency and preferences by institutions, 
the standard welfare criteria, such as Pareto-efficiency, become simply 
tests of "coherence" between the agent-creating institutions and the 
agents they create. Arguably, coherence in this sense is neither 
necessary nor sufficient for an institutional structure's being judged good.
Not sufficient: reread Brave New World. Not necessary either, because we 
might argue for the superiority of less coherent institutions which create 
unsatisfied 
Socratess to those which create satisfied pigs. (Apologies to Mill.)

The point is that to evaluate institutions is to evaluate a package:
institution-plus-types-of-agents, and we're then doing at the theoretical 
level what people do practically when they think not so much about how to 
get what they transparently want, but what sort of people they want to 
be, what sort of wants they should have. And the theorist should follow 
the practical agent in this: trying to articulate the sorts of criteria 
that are employed by the latter, and push for "reflective equilibrium".
Unless one thinks that reason has no place here, we as practical agents 
employ and we as "social scientists" need to articulate a thicker kind of 
rationality. In Susan Hurley's phrase, a theory of rationality for human 
agents is "an ethic". I put the quote marks around "scientist" advisedly: 
this sort of endeavor won't pass muster under conceptions of science 
which make it the neutral examination of some independently existing 
reality. 



[PEN-L:3821] Re: Cohen and Historical Materialism

1995-01-18 Thread Justin Schwartz

On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Jim Devine wrote:

 
 On Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:40:32 -0800 Justin Schwartz said:
 On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Jim Devine wrote:
  Justin, on your reference to G.A. Cohen's reconstruction of historical
  materialism, I would add the adjective "failed."  He produced a
  technological-determinist theory of history that differs w  quite
  radicaly from Marx's materialist conception of history
 
 The situation with Cohen is more complex than you suggest. In the first
 place you dispute only the accuracy of Cohen's scholarship, viz. whether
 he has Marx right. Whether or not he does, however, what Cohen produced
 was probably the clearest, most precise and coherent, best articulated
 statement of a Marxian theory of history we have.
 
 If it's not a good representation of Marx's view, in what way is it
 Marxian?

Oh, come along Jim. Marxism is a broad church. There are lots of Marxian
views which are not Marx's, whether or not they pretend to be "orthodox."
Thus Luxemburg on accumulation or Lenin on imperialism or on the Party or
Gramsci on hegemony or Trotsky on combined and uneven development or
What makes a view Marxian is whether its advocates identify it as such,
whether it is part of the tradition of Marxist debate and practice (i.e.,
the tradition of people who thus identify themselves), responding to other
Marxian views, whether it uses Marxian concepts like class, mode of
production, exploitation, ideology, etc., whether it poses questions in
Marxian terms and for Marxian purposes, i.e., promoting socialism and
working class self-emancipation, etc. See E.P. Thompson's discussion of
various conceptions of Marxism in his Open Letter to Leszek Kolakowski
(in The Poverty of Theory). You know this and I shouldn;t have to say it.

In any event the real question, unless we are merely doing history of 19th
century social theory for purely scholarly purposes, is whether some view
that meets these general criteria as being recognizably Marxist is in facr
defensible. Cohen's certainly is the first, so the issue is whether it's
the second.

  This point is reinforced by the fact that the technological-
 determinist theory is a bourgeois theory that precedes Marx.

So is class analysis, as Marx himself points out! Anyway there is T-D and
T-D. Smith and others may have maintained version of T-D, but the account
developed in the 1859 Preface, The Poverty of Philosophy,a nd elsewhere is
distinctively Marx's and he was pround enough of hit to say that it was
the guiding thread of his studies to which he had won by a lot of hards,
painstaking work.

 See, for example, Comninel
 RETHINKING THE FRENCH REVOLUTION (1987, Verso) and Rigby, MARXISM
 AND HISTORY (1987, St. Martin's).  Both cite Meek 1976 MARXISM AND
 THE IGNOBLE SAVAGE (C.U.P.) Marx was clearly influenced by this
 t-d theory (which shows up in Smith, among others), but seems to
 have moved toward the vol. III theory in which it's the mode of
 production of the surplus (the mode of exploitation) which
 reveals the inner secrets of a social formation (ch. 47, s. 2).
 (I'd guess that Marx's relationship with t-d theory is a lot
 like his relationship with Ricardo. He learned a lot but
 did so critically and then moved on to better stuff.)
 
But unlike the situation with Ricardo, where he settles accounts out in
the open, he never renounces the TD account--it shows up, for example, in
the Critique of the Gotha Program. And as I note, he cites it in the
footnotes to the fetishism section of Capital, vol. I, completed and
polished after the draft manuscripts for vol. 3. And, unlike them, published.

 The problem for Cohen's theory that arises from Marx's theory
 is that as Marx argues (but authors such as Braverman make clear),
 the nature and speed of technological change are endogenous,
 to a large extent _determined by_ the mode of exploitation.

That's certainly one problem--it's the point of my objection based onm the
relative timing of the rise of capitalism and the industrial revolution.
But all this can show is that Marx was inconsistent unless there is
evidence that her changed his mind and renounced the Preface account.

 In the postface to the 2nd edition of CAPITAL, Marx quotes
 a reviewer favorably as summarizing Marx as saying that
 each economic system has its own laws of population. The
 same applies to the laws of technology, as Marx describes
 how the capitalist lust for profits influences the kind of
 machines introduced and the way in which they are used.
 Technological determinism only works if technological change
 (both its quality and quantity) are exogenously given.

As above. Maybe he didn't see that this was hard to square with the
Preface account.

 
 Tech. determinism is even weaker than genetic determinism,
 because most of the time, an individual's genes don't change
 due to environmental influence. And these changes aren't
 transmitted to the young, unless Lamarck and Lysenko were
 right. Technology is affected 

[PEN-L:3822] Exports

1995-01-18 Thread David Ranney

One point about exports that has not been discussed much is the idea that 
the proceeds from exports do not necessarily end up at the point of origin 
or even the country of origin. If a transnational corporation uses a 
developing country as an export platform, that benefits the firm but not the 
people of the country as the export growth model would assume. The same is 
true of exports from the U.S. We did an analysis of export industries in 
Illinois to see if growth in exports to Mexico actually enhanced employment. 
It did not. There are a lot of reasons for that (which the study did not 
address) but among them is the fact that the major firms that dominate each 
industry had global options about where to put export revenues. We are now 
doing a few case studies of firms to try to amplify the firm analysis.

  Dave Ranney
  University of Illinois at 
Chicago Center for Urban
Economic Development



[PEN-L:3823] Re: Statement by Women Academics on Welfare

1995-01-18 Thread Doug Henwood

I am mystified why a message on welfare signed by women economists is
particularly useful. It doesn't go against gender stereotyping; welfare is
typically thought of as a "women's" issue, squishy and bleedingheartish,
unlike big macro thinking or rigorously tiny microthinking. It would be
news if *men* signed such a statement, not women. It would also be news if
NOW and other upscale feminists made a big deal out of defending welfare
recipients.

But I don't see the point of having any sex segregation on this issue;
we're getting deeper into a period of vicious welfare cuts, and we need
everyone we can to speak up for civilized treatment of the poor?

Is it that women are disproportionally the recipients of welfare - is that
what makes it a special issue for women economists? But most welfare
recipients are children; should we have a joint petition signed by the
children of economists, or better yet, 5-year-old dismal scientists?

Doug Henwood
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[PEN-L:3825] Re: New Party piece

1995-01-18 Thread Doug Henwood

At 4:44 AM 1/18/95, Elaine Bernard wrote:
Come'on Doug, play nice.  In the same spirit that I took up
J. Case, I'm sure you don't mean CP as a term of endearment.
Play nice boys!  There's some real politics here, so cut out
the red baiting bullshit.

I'm not redbaiting at all, I'm describing a real tendency, a habit of
thought. The original franchisee (their term, not mine) in NYC was James
Steele, former chief CP theoretician on Africa. They merged with the
Majority Coalition, sponsored by 1199, a union long intimate with the CP.
The CP tendency, politically, is characterized by a taste for central
committee styles of government and "critical support" (i.e. deals with) the
Democrats. Both these styles are visible in the NYC New (Coalition) Party.

CP people also use the word Trotskyist as a term of abuse (as do ex-CPers
like Jim Weinstein). I thought its application to me was quite emblematic
of this impulse.

I think the real CP, Trotskyist,
New Left, American Left legacy is ignoring political differences
and real discussion and decending everything to the level of
name calling.  If you don't agree with me, you're a (fill in
the gap) and therefore your criticism is unworthy of further
concern or debate.

When I called them CP, I wasn't trying to tar them really. It was purely
descriptive. I'm not an anti-communist. I'll even defend the Soviet Union,
if you'd like.


On the issue of NYC I tend to think that it is rather unusual.
The largest city in the country, with strange, strange, politics.
I wish Mike Davis who move there and do for NY what he did
for LA in CITY OF QUARTZ.  However, that aside, I do think
that in building a grassroots, democratic, membership based
political party that Madison, Milwaukee, Little Rock, etc
will be more typical than NYC.

No doubt you can build interesting and powerful things outside a power
center like New York City. My point, though, was that while local
organizing is fine, there's a national and global ruling class to contend
with, and that (supra)national r.c. is more like the forces you confront in
NYC than the ones you confront in Little Rock. As our hopeless president
demonstrates daily.

Bob Fitch writes very well on NYC.

Doug Henwood
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[PEN-L:3826] Re: New Party piece

1995-01-18 Thread Edward Ian Robinson

Bravo, Elaine.  My thoughts exactly.  

Ian Robinson

On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Elaine Bernard wrote:

 Come'on Doug, play nice.  In the same spirit that I took up
 J. Case, I'm sure you don't mean CP as a term of endearment.
 Play nice boys!  There's some real politics here, so cut out
 the red baiting bullshit.  I think the real CP, Trotskyist,
 New Left, American Left legacy is ignoring political differences
 and real discussion and decending everything to the level of
 name calling.  If you don't agree with me, you're a (fill in
 the gap) and therefore your criticism is unworthy of further
 concern or debate.
 
 On the issue of NYC I tend to think that it is rather unusual.
 The largest city in the country, with strange, strange, politics.
 I wish Mike Davis who move there and do for NY what he did
 for LA in CITY OF QUARTZ.  However, that aside, I do think
 that in building a grassroots, democratic, membership based
 political party that Madison, Milwaukee, Little Rock, etc
 will be more typical than NYC.
 
 As for the fusion tactic, the difficulty here is keeping as
 a tactic, and only a tactic, to gain state wide (or city wide
 or whatever level the group is interested in apply it) ballot
 status.  The barriers that the state has set up in this country
 to prevent democratic self-organization in elections is worthy
 of a totalitarian state.  It's a real barrier and problem for
 any third party.
 
 My view is there will be opportunists in the New Party, and
 sectarians, and we'll go too slow sometimes and too quickly
 other times.  But in a grassroots democratic party if we
 build a culture of real debate, over policy and tactics
 I believe we will be able to resolve differences -- and
 in fact, on occasion operate quite differently in different
 states and communities depending on the strength of the
 organization and it's level of organization (that is, has
 it elected people, does it have access to ballot status,
 has it been able to reform election laws...)
 
 Because I believe this discussions are absolutely essential
 to the growth and development of any third party, I think
 it's important for leftist, who agree or are critical of
 specific tactics, actions or policies to aid in creating
 a political culture where these issues can be debated and
 discussed on their merits -- not on who is an trot or who
 is a stalinist.
 
 Elaine Bernard
 



[PEN-L:3828] Re: rationality

1995-01-18 Thread Robin Hahnel

The essential issue, I believe, is whether or not particular social
institutions promote socially productive or socially unproductive
behavior. [I'm sure we could argue for a while about how to define
what is socially productive and unproductive, but let's assume we
could agree on that for the moment.] Well, how does an institution
promote one kind of behavior rather than another? For the most part,
or if you wish to be more cautious in statements, certainly to some
extent, institutions promote one kind of behavior rather than another
by making one kind of behavior individually rational, IR as you say,
and other kinds of behavior individually irrational. People do NOT
always have to behave in IR ways in order for this phenomenon to
occur. And people are always "free" to choose to behave in ways that
are NOT IR for various reasons -- one of which might be moral or pol-
itical committments. As one who as frequently chosen individually
irrational courses of action -- as I'm sure you are too -- I know that
the pressure from social institutions does not always succeed in getting
me to behave in a particular way. But, that does not obviate the fact
the social institution promoted, or pressured me and others, to behave
in a particular kind of way, and forced me to behave in a way that in
some meaningful sense was counter to my own self-interests as I see
them.

It is in this sense that I think progressive critics of capitalism
can argue that markets and private enterprise promote socially unpro-
ductive behavior. And I don't see how that conclusion is contradicted
by the fact that many people -- perhaps all people -- to some extent
resist the pressure to behave in the ways markets promote, and even
that the very viability of market systems hinges on people NOT always
behaving in the ways that markets push them.



[PEN-L:3829] Re: rationality

1995-01-18 Thread Robin Hahnel

I have no disagreements with Kevin Quinn's recent posting at all.
The reason I want to see what kind of behavior different institutions
promote is that I want to "choose" what kind of person I would rather
become. But the way to know what kind of agent is going to "go with"
a particular institution is to look and see what would be individually
rational behavior for someone who had to exist in the context of that
institution.



[PEN-L:3831] Re: child care the market

1995-01-18 Thread BILL MITCHELL

On another list, an irrepressible born-again market enthusiast we'll call
only H.G., after dismissing public jobs programs as "a joke" and "a waste
of money," declared that government should do no more than finance child
care, not provide it - provision being best left to private providers. In
an answer to a follow-up question, H.G. said yes, all of 'em, when asked if
these include nonprofits, co-ops, and/or MacKids.

Any comments from pen-l'ers on other countries' experiences with public
child care? Is the state a terrible provider?


My god Doug, is that a "come in spin" plea or what?at.?
My reply to the mysterious H.G. on that list was as follows.

In OZ, child care is provided by both the state and the private sector. Long
day care is dominated by the State. The Federal Budget actually subsidises
private day care firms to spread the work around a bit. The waiting lists are
longer at the public centres b/c they are considered to be a superior service.

THere is this on-going debate here about why the state should do it, sponsored
of-course by the capitalists who don't care about the kids but the profits they
would get if they could get rid of the public involvement. the only way the
private firms can compete with the public sector (given the superior service of
the latter) is via subsidies. another case of having a market for the sake of
it, rather than any benefits it bestows on the consumers.

in OZ we like public services. they are in most cases responsive to consumer
needs (more so i should add than most of the large private firms, especially
the banks - who are trying at present to get rid of all customers with account
balances below $1500 - in other words the average bloke in the street), have
shown a great deal of innovation, provide better nutrition in the long day
centres, are more likely to have educated staff, and are cheap and accessible.

private day care subsidies equal the allocation in the federal budget for
public child care. beat that.

so i think that H.G. person is entirely wrong on this assertion in the case of
child care in OZ at any rate.

kind regards
bill
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[PEN-L:3832] PWT5.6 now available

1995-01-18 Thread Doug Henwood

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Version 5.6 of the Penn World Tables is now available for anonymous ftp
The DOS version (pkzip format) has already been posted in:

 ftp://nber.harvard.edu/pub/pwt56/dos

Uncompressed ASCII and Windows versions will follow shortly.
Below is a short description of the new file.


PWT 5.6 README.DOC File
 November 20, 1994

The Penn World Table (Mark 5), called PWT 5 here, was
described in "The Penn World Table (Mark 5): An Expanded Set of
International Comparisons, 1950-1988" by Robert Summers and Alan
Heston, Quarterly Journal of Economics, May 1991.  The Table
itself, an annex to the article, was distributed to users on a
diskette and through a read-only file maintained by the National
Bureau of Economic Research (NBER Publications: 1050 Massachusets
Avenue, Cambridge MA 02138; (617) 868-3900)).  PWT 5.6, a revised
and updated version of the Table, has been placed on this
diskette.  It was prepared by Alan Heston and Robert Summers of
the University of Pennsylvania, Daniel A. Nuxoll of the Virginia
Polytechnic Institute, and Bettina Aten of the University of
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, with the research assistance of
Valerie Mercer, James Walsh, and Bao Truong.  It too is being
distributed by the NBER.

Doug Henwood
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[PEN-L:3830] Re: child care the market

1995-01-18 Thread Teresa Amott

As we know, the state does a pretty decent job providing health care --
socialized medicine -- to the military.  The Military Child Care Program is
also quite good.  After some widely publicized scandals, the military got
their act together in training, certifying, and paying child care workers,
so staff at military child care centers are now paid substantially more
than civilian child care workers.  Their starting point is that salaries
should be competitive with the overall local labor pool rather than with
the child care labor pool.Directors of military large child care centers
earn between $29 and $37 thousand (up to $54 for large centers), while
entry level aides earn between $14 and $20 thousand.   In addition, staff
all receive the full array of benefits -- health and life insurance,
pensions, workmen's comp, etc.  There is a job ladder with training
opportunities, and each center has a training and curriculum specialist.

At the same time, costs to parents are pretty low -- sliding scale,
averaging $60/week.  The key point is that the military makes up the
difference between what parents can afford to pay and what you need to pay
to have qualified staff providing child care.

Anyone interested in getting more info should write Child Development
Services, U.S. Army, Community and Family Support Center, 2461 Eisenhower
Ave., Alexandria, VA.  22331-0521.


***
Teresa Amott
Associate Professor
Dept. of Economics
Bucknell University
Lewisburg, PA  17837
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717/524-1652 (w)
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[PEN-L:3833] Starbucks and Guatemala

1995-01-18 Thread Matt Zeidenberg


I'm posting this for Erich Hahn, U.S./GLEP
 
Wake Up, Starbucks!
 
As part of its national campaign to persuade Starbucks Coffee
Company to adopt a code of conduct, the U.S./Guatemala Labor
Education Project (U.S./GLEP) is trying to locate college and
university campuses where Starbucks coffee is sold in dining
halls and cafeterias.  If you know of any such campuses, please
notify U.S./GLEP at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Leaders of Washington state religious, environmental and labor
organizations requested a meeting with Starbucks in June, 1994
to discuss the possibility of a proposed code of conduct for
Guatemalan plantations.  Starbucks replied that they would not
adopt a code of conduct. 
 
U.S./GLEP has therefore initiated a campaign to persuade
Starbucks to adopt a code of conduct requiring that plantation
owners from which it buys pay a living wage, abide by
minimum health and safety standards, and respect the basic
rights of workers.  
 
The national grassroots kickoff took place on Saturday, Dec. 3,
with leafletting at 23 Starbucks stores across the country.  In
response, Starbucks called U.S./GLEP requesting a meeting.  At
the conclusion of the meeting, senior executives from Starbucks
said they would talk more about the idea of a code of conduct
and provide a formal reply in January. It is unclear whether
Starbucks will decide to seriously pursue the idea of a code of
conduct or continue opposing the idea.  
 
While we are pleased that our work has met with such a prompt
response from Starbucks, we don't yet have any concrete
commitments from them.  Until we do, the grassroots campaign
will continue. 
 
Nationally, we are coordinating another action day just before
Starbucks' annual meeting in February.  We are organizing
actions for Saturday, February 11, and hope to have a strong
presence at Starbucks stores around the country.  
 
Starbucks is one of the largest U.S. importers of Guatemalan
coffee.  Starbucks recently bought The Coffee Connection and is
now the fastest growing U.S. gourmet coffee company,
operating over 400 coffee cafes around the country.  Besides
their basic cafes, Starbucks continues to open up stores at
airports and at Barnes and Noble bookstores as well as moving
onto college campuses.  
 
Guatemalan agricultural workers' organizations report that
between 60% and 80% of coffee plantations do not pay the legal
minimum wage of Q14.50 per day, about $2.50 a day.  For a
family of five in rural Guatemala to meet their minimum
requirements, the Guatemalan National Institute of Statistics
estimates that they would need about Q42 per day. 
 
The principle that U.S. companies can and should take
responsibility for working conditions at worksites that produce
the goods these companies sell to U.S. consumers has been
recognized by some U.S. retailers who have issued "sourcing
codes."  No such code has been adopted by U.S. importers of
agricultural commodities from developing countries.  The letter
from the Washington leaders proposes that Starbucks take the
lead in adopting such a code for coffee workers, using
Guatemala as a pilot project which would eventually be
expanded to other countries and companies.  
 
Please contact Starbucks and urge Chief Executive Officer
Howard Schultz to adopt a path-breaking code of conduct to
establish standards setting minimal working conditions and pay
at plantations from which it buys, with Guatemala serving as a
pilot project.  Starbucks Coffee Company, PO Box 34110,
Seattle, WA 98124-1110; 206-447-1575, 1-800-447-1575.  
 
For more information contact the U.S./Guatemala Labor
Education Project, c/o ACTWU, 333 S. Ashland, Chicago, IL,
60607, 312-262-6502, fax 312-262-6602, [EMAIL PROTECTED]



[PEN-L:3834] Re: Statement by Women Academics on Welfare

1995-01-18 Thread Elaine Bernard

As one of the women academic signers of the letter on welfare,
I don't think it's purpose was to segregate women (least of all
women economists).  It was a statement by academic women (better
yet, Doug, you might ask the class question of why academic
women) who have either studied welfare or are in some related
field.  When Fran Piven approached me to sign on (yes, Virginia
I will sign on to almost anything progressive as far too many
people are still living under the fear of McCarthyism and those
of us in privileged positions have an obligation to sign as
many petitions, letters, protests, etc, as we can possibly hack)
any, when Fran approached me and asked me to sign and find some
more signatures I figured rather than debate the fine point of
why women (why not?) that I would seek out labor educators and
academic women who have strong links to the labor movement to
try within the narrow confines of why Linda Gordon and Fran
were looking for, help to broaden the representation by adding
labor names.

The big question is where is labor on this.  In fact, where is
labor on Newt.  It seems to me that we should be leading the
charge.  In contrast to the stunning silence this side of the
border, I've been talking with unions in Canada about their
fight back preparations, education and campaign around the
yet to be released federal budget in February 1995.

Of course, maybe brother Case is better informed than I am and
knows of the great discussions and education that is taking
place inside of the labor movement.  My view isn't that US
labor is too much of a "talk shop" it's rather that on key
issues in society and politics that it is a non-participant.
That politics at the level of national issues like welfare
reform, or the attack on social programs, aren't countered.
Rather we're hung up with the all encompassing issue of
potentially amendments to 8 (a) 2 in the Wagner Act.
You can appreciate why the 84% of workers who are not
organized fail to appreciate the leadership of organized
labor at this point in history.

Elaine Bernard



[PEN-L:3835] Re: child care the market

1995-01-18 Thread Justin Schwartz

On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Doug Henwood wrote:

 On another list, an irrepressible born-again market enthusiast we'll call
 only H.G., after dismissing public jobs programs as "a joke" and "a waste
 of money," declared that government should do no more than finance child
 care, not provide it - provision being best left to private providers. In
 an answer to a follow-up question, H.G. said yes, all of 'em, when asked if
 these include nonprofits, co-ops, and/or MacKids.
 
 Any comments from pen-l'ers on other countries' experiences with public
 child care? Is the state a terrible provider?
 

I can't comment except anecdotally, but I ahve had experience with state
and private child cxare here in Columbus, and I think it is fair to say
that any parent, regardless of her or his political ideology, would KILL
to get the kids into Ohio State University Childcare. The staff gets
public employee benefits and better wages than private childcare, so it's
professional and quite stable. The facilities--specially built for the
purpose on land donated by the state, are superb. Costs are about the same
as private care. The waiting list is a yaer and a half to two and a half
years long.

Incidentally, the way this facility was won, as the result of an action by
women students and students' wives is wonderful. Up to the mid-70's OSU
maintained (as University of Michigan still did when I was there) that it
could not provide childcare. So women took the issue, and their kids, into
their own hands and held a "cry-in"--with the babies they occupied the
admin building and refused to move until they got the concession to
establish a center. Cops couldn't exactly tear-gas babies and beat up
Moms, many of them, pregnant, so after several days, the administration
agreed to negotiate the terms to establish the center. Alas, I am moving
back to Ann Arbor--in many ways an improvement, but U-M still has no
childcare, and private care in AA is twice what it is in Columbus.

--Justin Schwartz