[PEN-L:12319] Re: the beautiful poor
Maggie, Perhaps it's not necessary to cringe. If the women had more savvy she wouldn't be so explicit and it would be impossible to ever make her (or her predecessor's) politics a subject of debate, let alone scrutiny. We should always be grateful when the right's heroes open their mouths and say things in the least thoughtful manner and allow the media to broadcast such sentiments widely. Steve On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am not sure how to say this without sounding like a cultural chauvanist, > buuut, one of the most frightening things about someone like Sister Nirmala > is that her strong positions on things like abortion and poverty simply > reinforce some of the most negative gender stereotypes for women and children > in India and around the world. Poor women are poor by the 'grace of god', > and 'must accept' their physiological reproductive role as the primary > guidance for all their actions while on this earth. The subordination of > women in 'natural' and 'god'given'. Now, if someone wants to become a nun > and accept this, that's fine with me, but I cringe when they shout such > suppression out for the rest of the world to emulate. > maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 97-09-13 16:31:13 EDT, Doug writes: > > >Mother Teresa's successor, a Brahmin-born Nepali now known as Sister > >Nirmala, seems more frankly appalling than her predecessor. From the NYT > >story by Barbara Crossette - web version (the print version ran something > >had the Brahmin ID right after one of her remarks on the beauty of poverty): > > > > > >At a news conference Friday, Sister Nirmala reaffirmed a few of her > >predecessor's more controversial tenets. She said that abortion was > >unthinkable even in cases of rape. And she said that she, like Mother > >Teresa, was not interested in what caused poverty, which she described as > >"beautiful," or in changing the social environment in which it thrives. > > > >"Poverty will always exist," Sister Nirmala said. "We want the poor to see > >poverty in the right way - to accept it and believe that the Lord will > >provide." > > > > > >Doug > > > >
[PEN-L:12318] Re: "New Democrat got her ass kicked"
maxsaw wrote: >> The major municipal union, DC 37, led by the undead Stanley Hill, has just >> endorsed Rudy. I was at a dinner party a few months ago with Mario Cuomo's >> former tax commissioner, who's never voted for a Republican in his life - >> and he's voting for Rudy (because Rudy "proved that New York City isn't >> ungovernable"). Even multiple adulteries seem not to have undermined Rudy's >> popularity. > >"Multiple"? You mean Vanity Fair missed one? Yes. To avoid litigation, I'll share the details with any interested parties privately. Doug
[PEN-L:12317] Re: Desperately Seeking Superlatives
Valis wrote, >Tom, after furtively glancing around: I'd just like to know where Valis gets his stage directions? Old Tom Swift novels? First, I'm "in a rare moment of unalloyed yeehaw" next I'm "furtively glancing around". With Valis doing my choreography and Max Sawicky my diet (beans, rice, stale cabbage) all I need is someone to design my wardrobe -- any volunteers? Hint: my stature, bearing and and facial characteristics are those of a commedia dell'arte Scaramouche. Words and music still by Tom Walker. Regards, Tom Walker ^^^ knoW Ware Communications Vancouver, B.C., CANADA [EMAIL PROTECTED] (604) 688-8296 ^^^ The TimeWork Web: HTTP://WWW.VCN.BC.CA/TIMEWORK/
[PEN-L:12316] Re: "New Democrat got her ass kicked"
> The major municipal union, DC 37, led by the undead Stanley Hill, has just > endorsed Rudy. I was at a dinner party a few months ago with Mario Cuomo's > former tax commissioner, who's never voted for a Republican in his life - > and he's voting for Rudy (because Rudy "proved that New York City isn't > ungovernable"). Even multiple adulteries seem not to have undermined Rudy's > popularity. "Multiple"? You mean Vanity Fair missed one? Given RG's image, the adultery story is probably helping him. MBS == Max B. Sawicky Economic Policy Institute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 1200 202-775-8810 (voice) 1660 L Street, NW 202-775-0819 (fax) Washington, DC 20036 Opinions here do not necessarily represent the views of anyone associated with the Economic Policy Institute. ===
[PEN-L:12315] Desperately Seeking Superlatives
Tom, after furtively glancing around: > Does anyone know where I can get some of those backward batteries? > > >Apparently the energizer bunny has died. The cause of death? Sexual > >overstimulation. When the bunnie's batteries were changed, they were put in > >backwards. Instead of going and going and going, the bunny kept coming and > >coming and coming. Why bother? Even with them you won't be able to mate in one move like Sky Blue. valis Occupied America "God has sufficiently revealed His true character by combining the genital organ with the urinary tract." -- Bertolt Brecht
[PEN-L:12314] Fwd: Symposium on Same-Sex Relationships (fwd)
I thought people might be interested in this. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 97-09-13 19:24:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >-- Forwarded message -- >ONE DAY SYMPOSIUM: OCTOBER 4, 1997 >"CONSTRUCTING FAMILY, CONSTRUCTING CHANGE: SHIFTING LEGAL PERSPECTIVES >ON SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS" > > >The Temple Political & Civil Rights Law Review announces a one-day >conference entitled, "Constructing Family, Constructing Change: Shifting >Legal Perspectives on Same-sex Relationships." > >Saturday, October 4, 1997 (9 am - 5 pm) >Temple University School of Law >Schusterman Hall Conference Center >Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > >Papers and sessions will cover family law, co-parent adoption, same-sex >marriage, nontraditional families as viewed from the bench, domestic >partnership, the Defense of Marriage Act, the free exercise of religion, >same-sex sexual harassment, and the regulation of sexuality. The papers >will be published in a Symposium issue of the Temple Political & Civil >Rights Law Review. > >Panelists include - > >Rebecca Alpert, Assistant Professor, Co-director of Women's Studies >Temple >University > >The Honorable Phyllis W. Beck, Superior Court of Pennsylvania > >Shoshana Bricklin, Esq., Philadelphia City Council Technical Staff > >Scott C. Burris, Professor of Law, Temple University > >William N. Eskridge, Professor of Law, Georgetown University > >Chai R. Feldblum, Associate Professor and Director Federal Legislation >Clinic Georgetown University > >Sheila Rose Foster, Associate Professor of Law, Rutgers-Camden > >Theresa Glennon, Associate Professor of Law, Temple University > >Sally F. Goldfarb, Associate Professor of Law, Rutgers-Camden > >David Kairys, Professor of Law, Temple University > >Nancy J. Knauer, Associate Professor of Law, Temple University > >Odeana R. Neal, Associate Professor of Law, University of Baltimore > >Andrew S. Park, Esq., Director, Center for Lesbian and Gay Public Policy > >Charles R. P. Pouncy, Assistant Professor of Law, University of Florida > >Mark Rahdert, Professor of Law, Temple University > >Deborah Zalesne, Assistant Professor of Law, CUNY > >The Symposium is co-sponsored by the Temple Law School Gay and Lesbian >Alumni/ae and the Temple Law Students for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and >Transgender Rights. > >The cost of the Symposium is $60 per person or $70 with six substantive >PA CLE credits. Lunch is included. > >For more information or registration materials email >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Nancy J. Knauer >Associate Professor of Law >Temple University School of Law >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(215) 204-1688 > - Forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Odeana R. Neal, Univ. of Balt. Sch. of Law) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Multiple recipients of list) Date: 97-09-13 19:24:16 EDT -- Forwarded message -- ONE DAY SYMPOSIUM: OCTOBER 4, 1997 "CONSTRUCTING FAMILY, CONSTRUCTING CHANGE: SHIFTING LEGAL PERSPECTIVES ON SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS" The Temple Political & Civil Rights Law Review announces a one-day conference entitled, "Constructing Family, Constructing Change: Shifting Legal Perspectives on Same-sex Relationships." Saturday, October 4, 1997 (9 am - 5 pm) Temple University School of Law Schusterman Hall Conference Center Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Papers and sessions will cover family law, co-parent adoption, same-sex marriage, nontraditional families as viewed from the bench, domestic partnership, the Defense of Marriage Act, the free exercise of religion, same-sex sexual harassment, and the regulation of sexuality. The papers will be published in a Symposium issue of the Temple Political & Civil Rights Law Review. Panelists include - Rebecca Alpert, Assistant Professor, Co-director of Women's Studies Temple University The Honorable Phyllis W. Beck, Superior Court of Pennsylvania Shoshana Bricklin, Esq., Philadelphia City Council Technical Staff Scott C. Burris, Professor of Law, Temple University William N. Eskridge, Professor of Law, Georgetown University Chai R. Feldblum, Associate Professor and Director Federal Legislation Clinic Georgetown University Sheila Rose Foster, Associate Professor of Law, Rutgers-Camden Theresa Glennon, Associate Professor of Law, Temple University Sally F. Goldfarb, Associate Professor of Law, Rutgers-Camden David Kairys, Professor of Law, Temple University Nancy J. Knauer, Associate Professor of Law, Temple University Odeana R. Neal, Associate Professor of Law, University of Baltimore Andrew S. Park, Esq., Director, Center for Lesbian and Gay Public Policy Charles R. P. Pouncy, Assistant Professor of Law, University of Florida Mark Rahdert, Professor of Law, Temple University Deborah Zalesne, Assistant Professor of Law, CUNY The Symposium is co-sponsored by the Temple Law School Gay and Lesbian Alumni/ae and the Temple Law Students for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and
[PEN-L:12313] Re: the beautiful poor
I am not sure how to say this without sounding like a cultural chauvanist, buuut, one of the most frightening things about someone like Sister Nirmala is that her strong positions on things like abortion and poverty simply reinforce some of the most negative gender stereotypes for women and children in India and around the world. Poor women are poor by the 'grace of god', and 'must accept' their physiological reproductive role as the primary guidance for all their actions while on this earth. The subordination of women in 'natural' and 'god'given'. Now, if someone wants to become a nun and accept this, that's fine with me, but I cringe when they shout such suppression out for the rest of the world to emulate. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 97-09-13 16:31:13 EDT, Doug writes: >Mother Teresa's successor, a Brahmin-born Nepali now known as Sister >Nirmala, seems more frankly appalling than her predecessor. From the NYT >story by Barbara Crossette - web version (the print version ran something >had the Brahmin ID right after one of her remarks on the beauty of poverty): > > >At a news conference Friday, Sister Nirmala reaffirmed a few of her >predecessor's more controversial tenets. She said that abortion was >unthinkable even in cases of rape. And she said that she, like Mother >Teresa, was not interested in what caused poverty, which she described as >"beautiful," or in changing the social environment in which it thrives. > >"Poverty will always exist," Sister Nirmala said. "We want the poor to see >poverty in the right way - to accept it and believe that the Lord will >provide." > > >Doug
[PEN-L:12312] Re: Energizer bunny joke
In a message dated 97-09-13 14:32:24 EDT, you write: >Does anyone know where I can get some of those backward batteries? > > Fredericks of Hollywood? maggie
[PEN-L:12311] Re: "New Democrat got her ass kicked"
In a message dated 97-09-13 12:35:56 EDT, Doug writes: >For an established politico like Messinger, a 15% turnout and a low >plurality is an asskicking. Like Wall Street, politics is often a game of >reality measuring up against expectations. After thinking about this (and several other posts making the same points), this is probably true. I also think alot of feminists who would have voted for Messinger in the past abstained from voting all together because she has been so wishy washy. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:12310] the beautiful poor
Mother Teresa's successor, a Brahmin-born Nepali now known as Sister Nirmala, seems more frankly appalling than her predecessor. From the NYT story by Barbara Crossette - web version (the print version ran something had the Brahmin ID right after one of her remarks on the beauty of poverty): At a news conference Friday, Sister Nirmala reaffirmed a few of her predecessor's more controversial tenets. She said that abortion was unthinkable even in cases of rape. And she said that she, like Mother Teresa, was not interested in what caused poverty, which she described as "beautiful," or in changing the social environment in which it thrives. "Poverty will always exist," Sister Nirmala said. "We want the poor to see poverty in the right way - to accept it and believe that the Lord will provide." Doug
[PEN-L:12309] Re: Energizer bunny joke
Does anyone know where I can get some of those backward batteries? >Apparently the energizer bunny has died. The cause of death? Sexual >overstimulation. When the bunnie's batteries were changed, they were put in >backwards. Instead of going and going and going, the bunny kept coming and >coming and coming. > >maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Tom Walker ^^^ knoW Ware Communications Vancouver, B.C., CANADA [EMAIL PROTECTED] (604) 688-8296 ^^^ The TimeWork Web: HTTP://WWW.VCN.BC.CA/TIMEWORK/
[PEN-L:12308] Re: Comp.Econ.Sys. course bibliography
> Subject: [PEN-L:12256] Comp.Econ.Sys. course bibliography > Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 8:37AM > I have just updated a bibliography on socialist economics that I > sent out to pen-l'ers in 1991, suitable for use in courses on, e.g., > Comp. Econ. Sys. I'll be happy to e-mail the new version (about > 200-titles) to pen-l'ers on request. > Cheers -- Eric Schutz Eric, I would be most interested in seeing your list. Joseph Joseph Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEN-L:12307] Re: language & thought
> . . . > BTW, I am assuming that ESP doesn't work. I knew that. MBS
[PEN-L:12306] Re: "New Democrat got her ass kicked"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>represent the poor, disadvantaged, etc. ... < >Ruth Messinger is relatively conservative--but then so are most Democrats. > She also did not get her ass kicked, Al Sharpton rode the tide of racial >anger against the horrors done to Abner Louima, for once old Al was in the >right place at the right time. If not for Louima, I'd bet that Ruth would >have won the first time. As it is, she is odds on winner for the run off. > ALSO, in a run against Giuliani, which seems very likely, she is slated to >get ninety percent of the African American vote in the city. So she may be >white and relatively conservative, but she is still a hell of a lot more >appealing to non-white voters than EITHER Giuliani OR Sharpton! For an established politico like Messinger, a 15% turnout and a low plurality is an asskicking. Like Wall Street, politics is often a game of reality measuring up against expectations. Maggie's right that Ruth will get 90% of the black vote, but I suspect the turnout will be pretty low. That's what doomed Dinkins last time around - extremely low turnout, especially in black neighborhoods of Brooklyn. Since Rudy will probably get the overwhelming majority of white votes - and Rudy's even leading among Jews, which is extraordinary - he's almost certain to win big. The major municipal union, DC 37, led by the undead Stanley Hill, has just endorsed Rudy. I was at a dinner party a few months ago with Mario Cuomo's former tax commissioner, who's never voted for a Republican in his life - and he's voting for Rudy (because Rudy "proved that New York City isn't ungovernable"). Even multiple adulteries seem not to have undermined Rudy's popularity. Doug
[PEN-L:12305] Comp.Econ.Sys. course bibliography
Milano, 13 September 1997 Dear Eric Schutz I am a Pen-l'er, and would really like to take advantage of you kind offer of sending out your bibliography on socialist economics. Best regards, Paolo Giussani via Palermo 20 I-20121 Milano MI email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
