FEER: A False Dawn (E. Asia)

2000-07-24 Thread Stephen E Philion


A False Dawn
Changing economic conditions may mean that the region's much-touted recovery from
crisis is largely an illusion

By Henny Sender/HONG KONG and TAIPEI
Issue cover-dated July 27, 2000


THREE YEARS AFTER the Asian Crisis officially erupted with the devaluation of the
Thai baht, the region's unfinished agenda for reform is evident from Japan to
Jakarta. The U.S.-dollar debt that got Asia into trouble originally hasn't gone
away; it has merely been obscured by benign global economic and monetary
conditions.

Those favourable conditions have enabled the region to earn hard currency by
exporting its output to the United States and Europe, and made it possible for
Asian central banks to lower interest rates while keeping their currencies
relatively stable. But while some short-term debt has been converted to
longer-term borrowings and some has been changed from dollar debt into
local-currency obligations, the absolute debt in Asia outside Japan has hardly
changed in more than two years--it is still more than $600 billion.

In the two years to December 1999, central-bank reserves in the region grew by
almost $260 billion, and the region's trade balance shifted from a deficit of $40
billion to a surplus of $80 billion, according to data from Morgan Stanley Dean
Witter in Hong Kong. But given that the macroeconomic outlook and interest rates
are expected to be far less friendly in coming months--as global growth slows and
rates continue to move up--not dealing with the debt overhang is especially
dangerous. Asia can no longer count on simply growing out of its debt leverage.
In short, there has to be more restructuring to cut costs, and more asset sales.
That isn't a message that's likely to be welcomed.

"Asia needs to make a distinction between leveraged corporates which are viable
and those which are not viable," says Sun Bae Kim, managing director at Goldman
Sachs in Hong Kong. "And for those which aren't viable, an exit strategy and
bankruptcy have to be considered. And that requires pain." But to introduce such
distinctions strikes at the heart of entrenched interests and the complicated
intertwining of political and economic power in the region.

First on the agenda: Asia has to develop a balanced financial structure in which
banks, the bond market and the equity market all function and all allocate
capital to those who can use it most efficiently.

In the recent past, equity markets have been buoyant enough to compensate for
weakness in banks, but now the stockmarkets can no longer be relied on. And some
analysts, such as Chris Francis, who recently moved to London from Hong Kong to
head global credit analysis for stockbrokers Merrill Lynch, contend that
governments still haven't done enough to develop their bond markets.

"Governments have continued to stifle their bond markets," he says. "They don't
want to see new markets which they can't control; markets where capital can
leave." He points out that governments could have floated more public debt as
part of their bank recapitalization plans; instead, they chose to issue bonds
directly to banks in exchange for troubled loan portfolios.

Meanwhile, progress on dealing with the debt in a definitive manner remains
uneven, and across Asia--with the honourable exception of Taiwan--the inability
to distinguish between those who deserve to be saved and those who don't
continues to be a matter of politics rather than letting markets decide.

Taiwan has become an example of how things can be done. The island has no
shortage of either entrepreneurs or venture capitalists. And there is ample
money--now more than ever before, thanks to Taiwan's flourishing hi-tech
companies. That money flows to companies that use it to move up the value-added
chain in manufacturing and manufacturing services and to take Taiwan from being
low-cost efficient to leading-edge awesome.

But elsewhere the corporate wreckage is piled up. Cases ranging from Indonesian
state-owned shipbuilder Dok Perkapalan Koja Bahari to the now finally bankrupt
Japanese retailer Sogo underscore just how much trouble Asia has in saying,
whether through the courts or the government: "Thou shalt not be saved."

The amounts owed to foreign creditors--and in dispute--in the case of the
Indonesian shipbuilder aren't large: only $11 million. But the fact that the case
has come up at all underscores just how stubbornly in denial some entities are.
In the Jakarta dispute, the shipbuilder claims that the promissory notes it
issued to European and Asian banks don't comprise legitimate company debt; the
funds, it says, went instead to the directors whose names were on the
documentation. The case is now in a Jakarta court.

Despite very different circumstances, the case of Sogo conveys a similar message,
though at least the effort at denial has been thwarted. The fact that at last the
company is being allowed to die ends efforts to set up a $6 billion bailout, to
have been led by the government. The 

Re: Re: Re: summary of calculation debate

2000-07-24 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky

En relación a [PEN-L:22144] Re: Re: summary of calculation deba, 
el 23 Jul 00, a las 21:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo:

 
 I would not deny the superiority of planning as a tool of development
 from a predominantllya gricultural economy to a more industrialized
 one. Planning worked well, though hardly less savagely, for that end
 in the USSR too. It was when a moderate level of industrialization was
 attained that returns started to fall off. 
 

True, but bluntly conventional wisdom. Hayek's criticisms, which 
Justin seems to agree with, were more serious than that. In his idea, 
planning was utterly impossible, which is reasonable if you are 
seriously clinging to individualism as a methodological paradigm. If 
you begin by the assertion "people are atoms" you end up rejecting 
planning as such. It is the problem of the size of the fish you 
catch: it depends on the net you are using.

But let us return to JKS/ s assertions (much to Doug's tranquility, I 
will try not to blandish the scarecrow of the dead dead dead USSR). 
The basic idea, which starts the road towards justification of the 
demise of the Soviet government and Western occupation (in economic 
terms) of the East, is that planning began to bear sour fruits once a 
more sophisticated economy appeared.

The problem here is that though the ailment is shown, the ethiology 
is automatically adscribed to planning itself, with no care to other 
reasons. Would the lack of democracy among the workers have something 
to do with this kind of planning? And would the hostile encirclement, 
which was the basic condition of existence of the USSR since its very 
birth, have something to do with this lack of workers democracy?

It would be a very instructive exercise to imagine the economy of, 
say, the USA, operating for eighty years in the hostile environment 
that the USSR had to operate in. I am not at all defending "planning 
as such". I am just asking those who attack it whether they are not 
slanting things more than a little bit when they compare the 
operation of that system with the operation of "capitalism" without 
paying adequate interest to the completely different conditions under 
which both systems worked.

On this, I agree with Doug in that we cannot obtain conclusions from 
the experience of the USSR as such, but on the experience of a 
strongly bureaucratized experiment in socialism under conditions of 
deadly encirclement by the most powerful countries on Earth. Once 
this set of particular conditions is sifted away, I think we may 
profitably begin to talk about the "undeniable" shortcomings of 
planning.
Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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NEW E-ADDRESS AS OF JULY 10, 2000
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Re: Finishing the debate

2000-07-24 Thread JKSCHW

Since we do not seem to be able to communicate, I am dropping the subject. A final 
explanatory word:

1. The Soviet Union "failed" years before it collapsed. It had promised a better 
alternative to advanced capitalsim and failed to deliver. It would have failed had it 
not fallen and if it still existed.

2. I offered what I considered to be evidence and arguments that the problems with 
Soviet planning were due to planning and not to lack of democracy. These were three in 
main: (a) the fact that the Hayek calculation arguments predict exactly the problems 
that happemned with Soviet planning, and those arguments do not depend on lack of 
democracy as a premise; (b) as a corollary, the argument that democracy woukd make the 
planning problem worse, because the planning system could not handle information 
adequately, and democracy would, ex hypothesi, increasre thea mount of information to 
be handled; (c) the empirical fact that Soviet planners themselves saw that the system 
was plagued with the calculations problem--not necessarily so called, as many of them 
never heard of Hayek; this is easily confirmed if you refer to any study of Soviet 
planning, e.g., Michael Ellson's Socialist Planning, 2d ed., Abram Bergson, Soviet 
Planning; Ed Hewett, Reforming the Soviet Economy. Apparently!
!
 you consider tese arguments not be arguments. OK, we don't have the same conception 
of what counts as an argument.

I am done here. 

--jks

In a message dated Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:16:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael 
Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Let me see if I understand you correctly, Justin.

I got the following assertions distilled from year earlier notes.
Planning works for an underdeveloped country.  The Soviet Union did not
fail because of planning, but it could not have kept up with the West.

I mentioned earlier that I believed that the Soviet Union grew faster
than the United States in all years except when it was being invaded.

Jim Devine has been repeating what many of us believe that the planning
in the Soviet Union, to the extent that it was deficient, failed because
of an absence of democratic input into the plan.

You argue that the problem was planning per se.

You have no evidence to refute what Jim said.  He has none that can
refute your perspective.  What we have are just different
interpretations of the same phenomenon.

Merely to repeat that the Soviet Union failed because of planning
doesn't get us anywhere.  Just because nobody to my knowledge has become
convinced by your argument doesn't mean that they weren't listening,
anymore than your adherence to your own views proves that you weren't
listening.

Some people who have not responded to things that you wrote, just as you
haven't responded adequately to those people who brought up the
informational problems that Hayek ignored.

Please, unless we can cover some new ground let's drop the subject.

--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 




summary of calculation debate

2000-07-24 Thread Charles Brown



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/20/00 11:09PM 
In a message dated 7/20/00 10:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hayek should have to point out that real markets are
  dynamic and have nothing to do with static equilibrium equations--or am I
  misunderstanding Hayek?
 
 Absolutely correct.  Although he neglects the problem with handling dynamic
 information in his own theory.  He assumes that static prices convey 
sufficient
 information. 

This misses H's point about the entrepreneur. The E doesn't just look at 
prices. He goes out and gets information about what peiople want, 

_

CB: This is not the whole picture. The Entrepreneur spends a lot of time trying to 
make people want what "he" has got to sell. Maybe more money is spent on controlling 
people's wants than "discovering" them.  The most powerful corporations spend a lot of 
time trying to defeat or destroy their competitors regardless of whether people WANT 
what their competitors sell.

_



what 
resources there are, what concrete means exist to satisfy these needs. He 
relies on price information,a nsd expects others to, because (the Hayeklian 
point) no one can know as much about everything as he does about his little 
bit. But H's system runs on entrepreneurial knowledge, not on price 
crunching.  It is because markets encourage entrepreneurship that H is so 
keen on them.

--jks




Snap Quiz

2000-07-24 Thread Timework Web

Essay question:

1. What is the role played by 'planning' and 'markets' in the following
story? 

BRUSSELS, July 24 (Reuters) - The European Union on Monday launched a
broadside against proposed U.S. legislation which could block Deutsche
Telekom AG from buying U.S. cellphone group VoiceStream Wireless Corp.

European Commission spokesman Michael Curtis said a measure to close a
loophole permitting acquisitions of U.S. telecoms firms by foreign
companies that are more than 25 percent state-owned would set a
"negative precedent" if it became law. 

The measure, proposed by U.S. Senator Ernest Hollings, would have WTO
(World Trade Organisation) implications, Curtis said.

"If this bill were to be adopted it would restrict foreign ownership
in U.S. telecoms firms, which is contrary to commitments undertaken by
the U.S. in the WTO," he told the Commission's daily news briefing.

The warnings flew as Deutsche Telekom, the telecommunications giant
which is majority owned by the German government, announced a $50.7
billion takeover of VoiceStream.   


Temps Walker
Sandwichman and Deconsultant




Re: Re: Re: summary of calculation debate

2000-07-24 Thread Jim Devine

At 04:20 PM 7/23/00 -1000, you wrote:
There is a substantial amount of industry in state hands, some of which
remains in a state of operation that relies little on profit motive, yet
there is a clearcut campaign by the CCP to turn state industries into
market competitive industries to resolve crises of over production that
are endemic not only in China but most of East Asia at the moment.

given the competitive effort to keep wages down relative to productivity 
that's prevailing in East Asia and an increasing fraction of the rest of 
the world, wouldn't a "clearcut campaign by the CCP to turn state 
industries into market competitive industries" make underconsumption and 
thus over-production tendencies worse? it might help with sectoral 
problems, but the "race to the bottom" encourages macro problems.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: Re: Re: Re: summary of calculation debate

2000-07-24 Thread Jim Devine

At 08:20 AM 7/24/00 -0300, you wrote:
It would be a very instructive exercise to imagine the economy of,
say, the USA, operating for eighty years in the hostile environment
that the USSR had to operate in

it's interesting to note that in the periods during the 20th century when 
the US felt only mildly encircled by hostile powers (i.e., World Wars I and 
II), the US economy was converted to a planned one. Planned capitalism did 
pretty well in terms of helping the US win WW II.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: market socialism, etc.

2000-07-24 Thread Ricardo Duchesne


JD writes:
 
 Marx distinguished an "industrial capitalist" (i.e., the capitalist who 
 organizes production) from capitalists in general (those who own the means 
 of production). This is not the same as the distinction between the 
 entrepreneur and the capitalist, but it is close.

No, it is not close - as is obvious in the dismissive (marxist) 
remarks which you and others in pen-l have made about 
entrepreneurship.

 Further, he talks about innovation (the activity which distinguishes the 
 "entrepreneur" in Austrian lingo), though I don't think he uses that word. 
 (The distinction seems an "Austrian" innovation.) For example, in chapter 
 12 of volume I of CAPITAL, he talks about one capitalist introducing an new 
 way of producing things and how it is then imitated by other capitalists, 
 due to the coercive force of competition.

But the Austrian would never say "coercive force of competition" - 
and this is a crucial distinction - since for them  it is not a matter of 
a *structure* pushing you do do something which you might 
otherwise not want/desire to do. 

 Marx's emphasis is on _process_ innovation (rather than product 
 innovation), 
 
 The Austrians put a big emphasis on prices as signals (of tastes  
 scarcity). My understanding of Marx is that one of the bases of his crisis 
 theory is that these signals are wrong in the sense that they do not allow 
 "entrepreneurs" to coordinate to prevent underconsumption and the like. 
 Prices cannot provide an understanding of the nature of the capitalist 
 totality and the conditions needed for its harmonious expanded reproduction 
 over time. Instead of gradual change, we see "equilibration" through sharp 
 crises.

Schumpeter, on the contrary, minimizes the role of prices in 
innovation. Emphasis on prices gives the impression that 
capitalists/entrepreneurs are always passively responding to 
market signals. But S's concept of "creative destruction" activates 
the capitalist  - at the micro-economic level - in a way that M's 
theory could never do, since, for starters, M has micro-economic 
analysis. S writes: "Economists are at long last emerging from the 
stage in which price competition was all they saw. As soon as 
quality competition and sales effort are admitted into the sacred 
precints of theory, the price variable is ousted from its dominant 
position.  "In capitalist reality [what counts is] the competition from 
the new commodity, the new technology, the new source of 
supply, the new type of organization..." 

S never failed to praise M for his emphasis on the dynamic quality 
of capitalism, that cap "can never be stationary", but criticises him 
for viewing the capitalist as a mere personification of capital, rather 
than as an *agent* who understands his own actions and is 
consciously, willingly engaged in the market. 


 
 The word "rational" in economics is basically a theoretical fiction. 

It is heuristically useful. You seem to confuse two meanings of 
rationality, formal and substantive, in the use of  the value-
judgement "narrow-minded individualistic..." in your definition of 
economic rationality. It is interesting to note that for Weber 
capitalism was irrational at the substantive level. 

I don't know about S, but using the word "rational behavior" does 
not imply undue emphasis on individuals  - as Michael Perelman 
narrowly thinks as well - since we are talikng about rational 
behavior as a pattern or sequence of behavior. No reason to keep 
fighting the intellectual ghosts of the 50s. 

 
 Marx believed, I think, that a holistic approach was superior 
 to an individualistic approach. 
That is, he made a sociological statement 
 that certain kinds of societies produce certain kinds of attitudes. Thus, 
 he saw capitalism -- and specifically the societal environment of 
 capitalist competition -- as encouraging narrow-minded individualistic 
 profit-seeking (one vision of "rationality"). If Marx is seen as explaining 
 the basis for profit-maximization, then all the results derived from that 
 assumption can be accepted by Marx (as long as unreasonable auxiliary 
 assumptions aren't introduced).
 
 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
 




Re: Snap Quiz

2000-07-24 Thread Rob Schaap

Essay question:

1. What is the role played by 'planning' and 'markets' in the following
story? 

Answer:  

If you're in the US, it's 'markets', obviously.  All the government is doing
is keeping the dead hand of (some other) government out of otherwise
undistorted free markets.  If you're in Europe, it's 'planning', as the dead
hand of (some other) government is distorting free markets.  These
assessments, uncontentiously correct though they are, remain provisional,
however - as four medium-term possibilities arise; themselves giving rise to
a wide spectrum of appropriate reappraisals:
(a) If, five years down the track, the companies had not merged, and both
had done well, then this would have proven markets work.  
(b) If, five years down the track, the companies had merged, and had done
well, then this too would prove markets work.
(c) If, five years down the track, the companies had not merged, and one or
both had not done well, then this would prove planning doesn't work.
(d) If, five years down the track, the companies had merged, and had not
done well, then this too would prove planning doesn't work.

* Note: This is not to take a position concerning the argument and arguers
on Pen-L of late - just my position on mainstream business-sheet economists,
who have never, as far as I can remember, been wrong - their theory having
been unambiguously vindicated by each and every event of each and every of
the last million years.

How'd I do, Sandwichman?
Rob.

BRUSSELS, July 24 (Reuters) - The European Union on Monday launched a
broadside against proposed U.S. legislation which could block Deutsche
Telekom AG from buying U.S. cellphone group VoiceStream Wireless Corp.

European Commission spokesman Michael Curtis said a measure to close a
loophole permitting acquisitions of U.S. telecoms firms by foreign
companies that are more than 25 percent state-owned would set a
"negative precedent" if it became law. 

The measure, proposed by U.S. Senator Ernest Hollings, would have WTO
(World Trade Organisation) implications, Curtis said.

"If this bill were to be adopted it would restrict foreign ownership
in U.S. telecoms firms, which is contrary to commitments undertaken by
the U.S. in the WTO," he told the Commission's daily news briefing.

The warnings flew as Deutsche Telekom, the telecommunications giant
which is majority owned by the German government, announced a $50.7
billion takeover of VoiceStream.   


Temps Walker
Sandwichman and Deconsultant






KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign take-overs foreign aid

2000-07-24 Thread Jim Devine

 July 16, 2000 / New York TIMES

  RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN

  Who's Acquiring Whom?

  For those of us who remember the great wave of foreign investment in the 
United States between 1986 and 1990, it's starting to feel like déjà vu all 
over again. ... I'd like to think that there's more going on here than good 
old-fashioned American arrogance. We are a more sophisticated nation than 
we used to be -- better traveled and more aware of the world outside. And 
maybe, just maybe, we are even sophisticated enough to understand and 
accept the idea that globalization is a two-way street.

I didn't find PK's column comparing the US response to foreign purchases of 
US capital now to that of the 1980s to be very interesting and thus have no 
comments on it. I do think that the phrase "déjà vu all over again" should 
be retired post haste.

--

  July 19, 2000 / New York TIMES

  RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN

  Delusions of Generosity

  Mr. Clinton," declared the full-page ad in yesterday's New York Times, 
"the American people would rather
spend $40 billion to rescue Social Security than to rescue your legacy." 
The ad denounced the possibility that an agreement at Camp David might 
include substantial promises of aid to the Palestinians. Then it referred 
interested readers to the Web site of Americans for Responsible Foreign 
Spending, which -- like the ad itself -- gives absolutely no hint about who 
these "Americans" might be. There are no names of officers, no endorsements 
of the group by named individuals. Nothing in the ad or on the Web site 
refutes the hypothesis that the group is actually a front for Islamic 
militants, out to sabotage the negotiations.

 But I doubt it. After all, the supposed conflict between foreign aid and 
Social Security has been the subject of a steady stream of press releases 
from House Republican leaders. For example, last year the office of Tom 
DeLay, the majority whip, declared that "the president's requests for 
foreign aid would directly raid the Social Security trust fund." (Directly? 
Let's just say that Mr. DeLay's definition of "direct" is even further from 
common usage than Mr. Clinton's definition of "sex").

 It's a pretty safe guess, then, that this is just hardball domestic 
politics -- though the peculiarly self-effacing behavior of Americans for 
Responsible Foreign Spending suggests that they fear that even today's 
hardened voters might look askance at politicians willing to undermine 
sensitive peace negotiations for the sake of partisan advantage. ... 

this column is another ho-hummer. It's saying that the US doesn't really 
spend very much on foreign aid and so it can afford to do so. The only 
interesting thing I can find is that PK ignores the possibility that the ad 
mentioned in the first paragraph might have been financed by ultra-Zionist 
types opposed to the possibility that Prime Minister Barak might make 
concessions at Camp David.

Frankly, PK's columns in SLATE and FORTUNE were much more interesting than 
those in the NY TIMES. But I can't think of any professional economist who 
could write a consistently interesting twice-weekly column.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: Snap Quiz

2000-07-24 Thread Timework Web

Rob Schaap wrote,

 If you're in the US, it's 'markets', obviously.  All the government is
 doing is keeping the dead hand of (some other) government out of
 otherwise undistorted free markets.  If you're in Europe, it's
 'planning', as the dead hand of (some other) government is distorting
 free markets . . .

 How'd I do, Sandwichman?

Obviously, Rob, you've scored 100% plus extra credit. Don't,
however, mistake your dialectical cleverness in this classroom for
something you can use in the real world to win friends and
influence people.


Temps Walker
Sandwichman and Deconsultant




info

2000-07-24 Thread Doug Henwood

Apropos information, this is from the press release for the July 
issue of the Economic Journal:

DON'T REGULATE THE CURRENCY MARKETS: THEIR VOLATILITY REFLECTS THE 
PACE OF ARRIVAL OF NEW INFORMATION

Should the foreign exchange (FX) markets be regulated because of 
'excessive volatility' and massive trading volume unrelated to the 
underlying trade in goods and other financial assets? Is FX trading 
'self-generating' so that government-imposed restrictions or taxes 
would help ensure that exchange rates are more closely related to 
the 'fundamentals' that are supposed to determine exchange rates?

New research by Michael Melvin and Xixi Yin, published in the latest 
issue of the Economic Journal, provides evidence on this important 
public policy issue by examining the link between the arrival of new 
public information, the frequency of quoting FX prices and the 
volatility of exchange rates. It indicates that both the number of 
price revisions (quotes) and the volatility of exchange rate returns 
for the yen and mark are functions of the rate of public information 
or news hitting the market. In other words, FX trading is providing 
the function it is meant to: adjusting prices and quantities in 
response to new information in order to achieve an efficient 
allocation of resources.

Evidently some people see signal where others see noise.

Doug




BLS Daily Report

2000-07-24 Thread Richardson_D

 BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, JULY 21, 2000:
 
 TODAY'S RELEASE:  "Regional and State Employment and Unemployment:  June
 2000" indicates that regional and state unemployment rates were stable in
 June.  All four regions registered virtually no change over the month, and
 45 states recorded shifts of 0.3 percentage point or less.  The national
 jobless rate, 4.0 percent, was little changed from May.  Nonfarm
 employment increased in 21 states and the District of Columbia in June.
 
 The inflation-adjusted weekly median earnings of most U.S. workers edged
 up 0.9 percent over the year ended in the second quarter of 2000, BLS
 reports. In current dollars, or without adjustment for inflation, the
 weekly pay of the nation's full-time wage and salary employees rose 4.2
 percent between the second quarters of 1999 and 2000.  The CPI-U increased
 3.3 percent over the same period, making the real pay gain 0.9 percent
 (Daily Labor Report, page D-7).
 
 New claims filed with state agencies for unemployment insurance benefits
 fell by 9,000 to a total of 311,000, after seasonal adjustment, the Labor
 Department's Employment and Training Administration reports.  New UI
 claims reached 320,000 in the previous week, according to revised data.
 
 Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said yesterday there is
 substantial evidence that U.S. economic growth has slowed to a more
 sustainable, potentially non-inflationary pace, suggesting to many Fed
 watchers that the central bank's policymakers aren't likely to raise
 interest rates next month.  Greenspan, testifying before the Senate
 Banking Committee, stressed that evidence of slower growth isn't
 conclusive.  But he spent far more time explaining why slower growth
 should be expected than he did cautioning that a rebound could occur.  The
 Fed chairman cited higher interest rates, flattening stock prices, rising
 household debt burdens; a big buildup in consumers' stock of cars, other
 durable goods and new homes; and the large increase in oil prices as
 reasons a slowdown in growth makes sense. Greeenspan also noted, however,
 that inflation has picked up this year, largely but not entirely because
 of the jump in oil and other energy prices, with the increase in the
 consumer price index over the past 12 months now reaching 3.7 percent
 (John M. Berry, writing in The Washington Post, page E1).
 __Alan Greenspan, the Federal Reserve Chairman, said today that there was
 not yet enough evidence to conclude that the economy had slowed to a
 noninflationary pace, and he left the door open to further interest rate
 increases as soon as next month.(Richard W. Stevenson, in The New York
 Times, page C1).
 __Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan assiduously kept his options
 open for monetary policy over the next few months, saying he wasn't ready
 to declare a formal end to the central bank's yearlong campaign of raising
 interest rates.  "It s much too soon to conclude" that "concerns" about
 inflationary pressures "are behind us," Greenspan said in his semiannual
 report to Congress (Jacob M. Schlesinger in The Wall Street Journal, page
 A2).
__Greenspan sees no end in sight for the productivity bonanza, says Business
Week (July 24, page 30).  Technology spending is bringing on long-lasting
structural gains.  Accompanying graphics show that U.S. growth is slowing
and consumer prices are filling, but tech spending should keep productivity
up.. 

 Recent reports of sluggish hiring gains, flat vehicle sales, and weak
 consumer spending all suggest that the long-awaited economic slowdown is
 taking shape.  If you need more evidence, cast an eye at the nation's
 bellwether small-business sector, says Business Week (July 24, page 26).
 Based on the National Federation of Independent Business' monthly survey
 of its members, the organization's index of small business optimism fell
 to 97.9 in June -- its lowest level since the fall of 1993.  Uncertainty
 about the economic outlook is evidently inspiring many small enterprises
 to temper their hiring and spending plans, reports an NFIB economist.
 Looking ahead, only 8 percent of those surveyed in June expect the economy
 to strengthen over the next 6 months, compared with the 25 percent who
 expect it to weaken.
 
 Corporate America's downsizing inclinations are waning, Challenger, Gray 
 Christmas, Inc., which keeps tabs on layoff plans, reports that the job
 cut total in June fell to a mere 17,241, the lowest number in 3 years and
 the tenth consecutive month with a reading below its year-earlier level.
 "Despite reports of a slowing economy, companies still face severe labor
 shortages," notes a spokesman.  An exception is the dot-com sector, whose
 2,967 layoffs in June were the most among industries announcing cuts
 (Business Week, July 24, page 26),
 
 Greenspan sees no end in sight to the productivity bonanza, says Business
 Week (July 24, page 30).  Technology spending is bringing on long-lasting
 structural gains 

Decline of Russian Science

2000-07-24 Thread Ken Hanly

This is from Johnson's Russia List. No one seems to have made
much mention of the positive achievements in science under
planning. Indeed increased emphasis in the West on science and
funding for basic research during the Cold War owed a lot to fear
of the former USSR. Market economies are particularly bad for
funding basic research since this does not pay off in immediately
profitable applications.


Cheers, Ken Hanly

 The Guardian (UK)
 24 July 2000
 [for personal use only]
 Town where a Soviet dream turned sour
 Its scientists were the envy of the world. Now some of the top
 brains are
 manual workers. Our three-part series on the decline and
 rebirth of
 Russian
 science begins in Siberia
 Amelia Gentleman in Akademgorodok

 Beneath the streets of Akademgorodok a maze of tunnels links
 key
 buildings so
 that academics in Russia's science town never need emerge into
 the harsh
 Siberian temperatures outside.

 In winter, workers at the institute of nuclear physics make
 their way
 along
 curving dimly lit walkways. The rationale of the underground
 system, one
 scientist explained, was to prevent research time being wasted
 in the
 rigmarole of wrapping up against the cold.

 When Akademgorodok was created from nothing in 1957, its
 founders spent
 considerable time assessing how to make life easier for the
 thousands of
 scientists who were to abandon their comfortable lives in
 Moscow to
 labour
 for the good of Russian science in bleak Siberia.

 On a site 30 miles south of the polluted industrial city of
 Novosibirsk,
 trees were planted, flats were built and spacious,
 well-equipped
 laboratories
 were set up. Academics were given a concert hall and a club -
 the House
 of
 Scientists - where they were to spend sober evenings together
 discussing
 research developments.

 Hundreds of tonnes of sand were imported at great expense and
 scattered
 on
 the stony shores of the nearby Ob sea to create the illusion of
 a beach
 on
 which the scientists could relax at weekends.

 For the first 30 years the town - with its 37 institutes and
 thousands of
 researchers working together to push back the boundaries of
 knowledge -
 was a
 symbol of the grandiose intellectual ambition of the Soviet
 regime.

 Scientists were treated with deference in the USSR. Lenin began
 to
 promote
 their interests immediately after the revolution, aware of
 their
 importance
 in the creation of a powerful new society. In the lean years
 they
 received
 extra rations.

 Later, under Stalin, a sense of national insecurity boosted the
 state's
 devotion to science. Most scientists escaped the repressions
 because they
 were needed to develop the country's ability to make weapons.
 Even those
 who
 were imprisoned continued to work in specially developed
 research camps.

 "We were slaves to the totalitarian state, but we didn't mind
 because we
 were
 doing interesting work and we felt that the state needed and
 respected
 us,"
 said Vitaly Ginzburg, a physics professor, who worked during
 the 1940s to
 develop the Soviet atom bomb.

 Science was not a mere adjunct of Soviet life - it was at its
 core, the
 key
 to transforming Russia from a backward agricultural country
 into an
 industrialised mighty world power, equipped to defend itself
 against the
 capitalist enemy.

 The government poured large measures of the budget into
 cultivating this
 scientific base, squeezing ideological pride from
 internationally
 acclaimed -
 and feared - advances: pioneering aeroplanes, and later rocket
 technology;
 the first man in space; the first atomic power station; the
 hydrogen
 superbomb.

 For most of the 20th century the Soviet Union raced on,
 matching the
 achievements of America.

 Akademgorodok - meaning small town of academics - was part of
 that
 tradition.
 Sophisticated space technology was developed in one institute,
 while down
 the
 road mathematicians pioneered computer technology and
 biologists wrestled
 to
 make Russia's crops sturdier, using new genetic engineering
 techniques.

 But in the past 10 years it has come to symbolise the
 disastrous decline
 of
 Russia's academic tradition.

 It is generally accepted that there are two reasons why
 Russians move to
 Siberia - either they are romantics or they come as prisoners.
 The
 scientists
 who founded Akademgorodok in 1957 were romantics. Many who
 remain see
 themselves as the prisoners of their own shattered project.

 No one has forgotten the early optimism. Towards the end of the
 50s it
 had
 become obvious that Siberia had massive natural resources:
 petroleum,
 gas,
 coal, timber, diamonds and minerals. But with the country's
 brainpower
 concentrated in Moscow and Leningrad - now St Petersburg -
 there was
 nobody
 to exploit its potential, so President Nikita Khrushchev backed
 a scheme
 to
 move leading scientists and research students from western
 Russia to the
 Siberian wilderness.

 Just 12 years after the ravages of the second world war, the
 

Re: Re: Finishing the debate

2000-07-24 Thread Jim Devine

Justin, I seem to have trashed the "long" version of my second long missive 
on transitional non-market socialism. Sorry about that...

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Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign take-overs foreign aid

2000-07-24 Thread Michael Perelman

Jim Devine is wrong!!!

Yogi Berra is a wonderful philosopher.  How about his: ""You can observe a lot
just by watchin'."

or

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical"


 I do think that the phrase "déjà vu all over again" should
 be retired post haste.


--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

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Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: PK vs. RN

2000-07-24 Thread Jim Devine

In my anti-column, I wrote:
 July 23, 2000 / New York TIMES

 RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN

In this column, PK turns to consider Ralph Nader, whose presidential 
candidacy he's been ignoring all along. (For example, when discussing 
Social Security, only Bush and Gore's opinions are deemed relevant.) I 
don't quite understand why PK's expertise in economics is needed to do 
hatchet-jobs on someone's personality, but PK's employers seem to think 
it's helpful.

Paul Krugman informs me that this sounds conspiratorial, as if he takes 
orders from the editorial board of the NY TIMES.

I apologize, especially since I hate conspiracy theory (it's a 
mind-killer). PK does not take orders from the editors. Rather, it's a 
mutually-beneficial deal between him and the TIMES. They like his political 
perspective and he likes theirs.

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RE: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: PK vs. RN

2000-07-24 Thread Max Sawicky

You're sending these to PK?
Do you send the rest of the thread too?

mbs



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Devine
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 5:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:22167] Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: PK vs. RN


In my anti-column, I wrote:
 July 23, 2000 / New York TIMES

 RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN

In this column, PK turns to consider Ralph Nader, whose presidential
candidacy he's been ignoring all along. (For example, when discussing
Social Security, only Bush and Gore's opinions are deemed relevant.) I
don't quite understand why PK's expertise in economics is needed to do
hatchet-jobs on someone's personality, but PK's employers seem to think
it's helpful.

Paul Krugman informs me that this sounds conspiratorial, as if he takes
orders from the editorial board of the NY TIMES.

I apologize, especially since I hate conspiracy theory (it's a
mind-killer). PK does not take orders from the editors. Rather, it's a
mutually-beneficial deal between him and the TIMES. They like his political
perspective and he likes theirs.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: RE: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: PK vs. RN

2000-07-24 Thread Jim Devine

I send my anti-columns to him somewhat randomly: since he's not in my 
address book at home, he doesn't get any of them written at home. I also 
forget sometimes. Is that what you're asking about?

At 05:31 PM 7/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
You're sending these to PK?
Do you send the rest of the thread too?

mbs



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Devine
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 5:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:22167] Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: PK vs. RN


In my anti-column, I wrote:
  July 23, 2000 / New York TIMES
 
  RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN
 
 In this column, PK turns to consider Ralph Nader, whose presidential
 candidacy he's been ignoring all along. (For example, when discussing
 Social Security, only Bush and Gore's opinions are deemed relevant.) I
 don't quite understand why PK's expertise in economics is needed to do
 hatchet-jobs on someone's personality, but PK's employers seem to think
 it's helpful.

Paul Krugman informs me that this sounds conspiratorial, as if he takes
orders from the editorial board of the NY TIMES.

I apologize, especially since I hate conspiracy theory (it's a
mind-killer). PK does not take orders from the editors. Rather, it's a
mutually-beneficial deal between him and the TIMES. They like his political
perspective and he likes theirs.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




Re: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign take-overs foreign aid

2000-07-24 Thread Carrol Cox



Michael Perelman wrote:

 Jim Devine is wrong!!!

 Yogi Berra is a wonderful philosopher.  How about his: ""You can observe a lot
 just by watchin'."

Yes, but that hasn't been copied so many times as deja etc. I agree with Jim on
that. And the observation comment isn't necessarily redundant. It is possible to
watch without observing, so Berra could be considered to have made a positive
(i.e., debatable) assertion.

Carrol




Re: Re: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign take-overs foreign aid

2000-07-24 Thread Doug Henwood

Carrol Cox wrote:

Yes, but that hasn't been copied so many times as deja etc. I agree 
with Jim on
that. And the observation comment isn't necessarily redundant. It is 
possible to
watch without observing, so Berra could be considered to have made a positive
(i.e., debatable) assertion.

Hmmm, well how do you feel about Sam Goldwyn's "Nobody goes there 
anymore. It's too crowded."?

Doug




Re: Re: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign take-overs foreign aid

2000-07-24 Thread michael

I am a professional economist who just finished going through the latest
American Economic Review.  It was actually more interesting than most, but
I would put Prof. Berra (not to be confused with Barro) up there with the
most prominent of them.


What about "If you can't imitate him, don't copy him."


 
 
 
 Michael Perelman wrote:
 
  Jim Devine is wrong!!!
 
  Yogi Berra is a wonderful philosopher.  How about his: ""You can observe a lot
  just by watchin'."
 
 Yes, but that hasn't been copied so many times as deja etc. I agree with Jim on
 that. And the observation comment isn't necessarily redundant. It is possible to
 watch without observing, so Berra could be considered to have made a positive
 (i.e., debatable) assertion.
 
 Carrol
 
 


-- 
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Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

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Re: Re: Re: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign take-overs foreign aid

2000-07-24 Thread Jim Devine

At 06:34 PM 7/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:

Yes, but that hasn't been copied so many times as deja etc. I agree with 
Jim on
that. And the observation comment isn't necessarily redundant. It is 
possible to
watch without observing, so Berra could be considered to have made a positive
(i.e., debatable) assertion.

Hmmm, well how do you feel about Sam Goldwyn's "Nobody goes there anymore. 
It's too crowded."?

I read somewhere that a lot of the sayings attributed to Goldwyn (and to 
Berra and to Quayle) are apocryphal.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign

2000-07-24 Thread michael

Damn, Jim, next you be trying to convince people that George Washington
did not cut down the cherry tree.
 
 I read somewhere that a lot of the sayings attributed to Goldwyn (and to 
 Berra and to Quayle) are apocryphal.
 
 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
 
 


-- 
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Tel. 530-898-5321
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: summary of calculation debate

2000-07-24 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky

En relación a [PEN-L:22154] Re: Re: Re: Re: summary of calculat, 
el 24 Jul 00, a las 8:24, Jim Devine dijo:

 At 08:20 AM 7/24/00 -0300, you wrote:
 It would be a very instructive exercise to imagine the economy of,
 say, the USA, operating for eighty years in the hostile environment
 that the USSR had to operate in
 
 it's interesting to note that in the periods during the 20th century
 when the US felt only mildly encircled by hostile powers (i.e., World
 Wars I and II), the US economy was converted to a planned one. Planned
 capitalism did pretty well in terms of helping the US win WW II.
 
 Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
 

And under so soft situations! Please remember that the USA sponsored 
an irregular army in Ukraine even _after_ WWII came to an end. What 
would have the situation been if some foreign, hostile, nuclear power 
had secretly supported an irregular army operating, say, between 
Denver and Topeka? Because THIS, and not less than this, is the true 
measure of the situation in the USSR.

I know this is an English only list, but cannot but remember the 
saying in old Argentina's "carreras cuadreras":  "Emparejá y 
largamos!". That is, "want to confront with me at a horserace? OK, 
let us use similar horses, and we shall see who is worst rider!"

Isn't it a point of fairness?


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Re: Re: Re: Re: KRUGMAN WATCH: foreign take-overs foreign aid

2000-07-24 Thread W. Kiernan

Doug Henwood wrote:
 
 Hmmm, well how do you feel about Sam Goldwyn's "Nobody goes there
 anymore. It's too crowded."?

Not half so suggestive and obscure as Yogi's "observe by watching" but
just straightforward and literal: "No one" in my elite crowd "goes there
anymore.  It's too crowded." with hoi polloi.

Yours WDK - [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Global Warming and West Nile Virus

2000-07-24 Thread Louis Proyect

New York Times, July 24, 2000

Giuliani Says Aerial Spraying Will Be Added to the War Against the West
Nile Virus

By ERIC LIPTON

New York City's war on the West Nile virus is intensifying, with Mayor
Rudolph W. Giuliani announcing yesterday that the city planned to add
helicopters to its arsenal of mosquito-killing tools and would expand its
ground-based pesticide campaign to include parts of Brooklyn as well as
Staten Island and Queens. 

The escalating effort in New York City echoes steps being taken by local
and state governments throughout the New York area. 

The virus, which killed 7 people and seriously sickened 55 others last
year, has not been detected in people this year. But at least 40 infected
birds and 3 pools of infected mosquitoes have been found in New York City
and 8 neighboring counties in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, the
authorities said. At the end of last month, the virus had been confirmed in
only a few birds in Bergen County, N.J., and Rockland County, N.Y.

Full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/regional/ny-bug.html

=

From "Is Global Warming Harmful to Health?" by Paul Epstein, in the current
Scientific American (www.sciam.com):

The increased climate variability accompanying warming will probably be
more important than the rising heat itself in fueling unwelcome outbreaks
of certain vector-borne illnesses. For instance, warm winters followed by
hot, dry summers (a pattern that could become all too familiar as the
atmosphere heats up) favor the transmission of St. Louis encephalitis and
other infections that cycle among birds, urban mosquitoes and humans. 

This sequence seems to have abetted the surprise emergence of the West Nile
virus in New York City last year. No one knows how this virus found its way
into the U.S. But one reasonable explanation for its persistence and
amplification here centers on the weather's effects on Culex pipiens
mosquitoes, which accounted for the bulk of the transmission. These urban
dwellers typically lay their eggs in damp basements, gutters, sewers and
polluted pools of water. 

The interaction between the weather, the mosquitoes and the virus probably
went something like this: The mild winter of 1998-99 enabled many of the
mosquitoes to survive into the spring, which arrived early. Drought in
spring and summer concentrated nourishing organic matter in their breeding
areas and simultaneously killed off mosquito predators, such as lacewings
and ladybugs, that would otherwise have helped limit mosquito populations.
Drought would also have led birds to congregate more, as they shared fewer
and smaller watering holes, many of which were frequented, naturally, by
mosquitoes. 

Once mosquitoes acquired the virus, the heat wave that accompanied the
drought would speed up viral maturation inside the insects. Consequently,
as infected mosquitoes sought blood meals, they could spread the virus to
birds at a rapid clip. As bird after bird became infected, so did more
mosquitoes, which ultimately fanned out to infect human beings. Torrential
rains toward the end of August provided new puddles for the breeding of C.
pipiens and other mosquitoes, unleashing an added crop of potential virus
carriers.

(Paul Epstein, an M.D. trained in tropical public health, is associate
director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard
Medical School. He has served in medical, teaching and research capacities
in Africa, Asia and Latin America and has worked with the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to
assess the health effects of climate change and to develop health
applications for climate forecasting and remote-sensing technologies.)

Louis Proyect

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needed fast!

2000-07-24 Thread Michael Yates

Friends,

I received a request for information about privatization and its
attendant evils.  This information will be used by a person who is
writing a report for the government of Vietnam.  Please send to me asap
references and articles on this subject, and I will forward them.  Who
knows, we may be able to influence the government's policies!  Send
articles either pasted into the email or as rtf or wordperfect
attachments.  References and articles about privatization in any country
will be useful.  Thanks.

Michael Yates




Re: kargarlitsky on Russian sociology etc.

2000-07-24 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky

I have been working in residential opinion polls in Argentina, a 
country with some points in common with the fSU on these issues. Yes, 
I DID it, it was an "eat or starve" issue, and I won't tell you I am 
not ashamed, but at least I can share with you some expertise I 
gained. I discovered, for instance, that the universe of these 
surveys is basically "middle class" (in the Argentinian sense of a 
mostly wage earning petty bourgeoisie with some little sprinklings of 
individual entrepreneurs), due to concrete field difficulties.

Since security conditions have been evolving in a directly inverse 
proportion to the growth of our foreign debt, residents in appartment 
houses (which compose the bulk of residents in Buenos Aires City) are 
very hard to interview, and the same uses to run for people residing 
in closed quarters or country clubs. So, they are usually dropped. 
Residents in unsafe areas are also hard to interview, due to opposite 
reasons: prejudiced, lower middle class, surveyors, do not go to the 
"villas de emergencia" where these people live. So what? You are left 
with those people residing in one-storey houses, a universe which has 
a basically "center of the Gauss curve" profile.

So that, when, say, American detergent manufacturers want to have an 
idea of whether Argentinian households will prefer THEIR brand over 
that of the competitor, what they will obtain is the image of what 
will those middle class homes do. They will not have an idea of what 
will the whole of the society do. Now, this is not quite serious in 
so far as to these issues middle class households living in 
apartments and in one-storey houses tend to share their pattern of 
preferences, the lower classes have been ruled out of consumption 
after 1976, and the upper layer is not a massive market and is to be 
attacked by means of another kind of artillery.

But, what about political opinion? Well, in political opinion polls 
you will have the "middle of Gauss curve" image again. And, due to 
scarce resources, you will hardly have a seriously conducted survey. 
People will be interviewed at some important downtown spots, plus a 
few spots at commercial centers outside. Or, people will be 
interviewed by phone (thus setting a limit to the kind of answers you 
get, since telephone is not a massive thing in Argentina today). And 
the opinion of Inland Argentina will be seldom surveyed (perhaps some 
survey can be conducted in, say, Córdoba and Rosario, and if you are 
lucky enough Mendoza and Tucumán). But that is all.

However, these polls DO have some meaning. They express the most 
conservative side of the abstract, current, state of consciousness of 
the masses. While our enemies would like to state them as the 
expression of the state of mind of "the nation", we can put the 
adequate distorting lenses and see a better image. Of course, one 
must know the country and its history in order to do so. But I do not 
think that these polls are so useless.

Take, for instance, the data we have just read on the USSR. What they 
portray is the expectative of the center of the Gauss curve in the 
sense that they need a strong central power which puts order in the 
chaos. That is why the attempt at orderly westernization by Tsardom 
and the Khruschevite attempt at peaceful coexistence and emulation 
display such a large acceptancy ratings. And this is not only a 
matter of comparison with previous states of mind. We should not 
forget that, historically, emulation with the West emptied Soviet 
ideology of that basic component of Lenin's (and Stalin's to a 
certain extent) view: that the USSR was on an equal foot with 
imperialist countries. The events after 1989 have shown that for 
them, as for almost anybody in the Third World, the alternative was 
"socialism or colonization".

The survey shows that this is still not clear in the mind of the 
Muscovite middle classes (I bet the surveys were made there, perhaps 
in Petrograd -will NOT say St. Petersburg unless under torture-, and 
hardly elsewhere). Well, just wait and see.
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