Re: Re: Re: US politics

2000-03-06 Thread David Dorkin

I was wondering if you could give any insight into the mindset of Reich
and other relatively intelligent mainstream or liberal political and
economic commentators; is Reich for example, any more insightful in
private than in public and is he aware of heterodox work?

Same questions regarding Kuttner and any others you can think of. Come
to think of it, whom would you and PEN listers consider to be
interesting mainstream people who may be more progressive or insightful
than most working in journalism, business and public affairs (i.e. not
in academia or overtly progressive of heterodox groups) or even closet
radicals. 

Thanks
Dave Dorkin

 When I interviewed Robert Reich (as reported in a recent LBO), he
 said there was no political pressure to come up with low numbers, but
 he now concedes the projections are nonsense, and that there's no SS
 crisis. Now he tells us.



intelligent mainstream economic commentators?

2000-03-06 Thread David Dorkin

I was wondering if anyone could give insight into the mindset of
relatively intelligent mainstream or liberal political and
economic commentators; are Kuttner and Reich, for example, aware of and
sympathetic to heterodox work?

Same questions regarding any others you can think of. Whom would PEN
listers consider to be interesting mainstream people who may be more
progressive or insightful than most working in journalism, business and
public affairs (not in overtly progressive of heterodox groups like URPE
etc) or even closet radicals. 

Thanks
Dave Dorkin



Re: Re: Re: Re: Weber Help

2000-02-23 Thread David Dorkin

Why on earth should it be an either/or choice at any rate? However, I
think if you were familiar with social indicators for say, Brazil or El
Salvador as compared to anywhere in Eastern Europe you might at least
have the good sense to present a more nuanced view. 

Brad De Long wrote:
 I would point out that all of us--no matter what our
 nationality--should get down on our knees and thank God daily that
 over the twentieth century the decisive shaper of world culture was
 not one of the... alternative "mighty states": Russian officials,
 Japanese honor-bound authorities, German... ahem.
 
 Millions of Indochinese and Latin Americans might view American
 hegemony with a bit less cheer than you do.
 Doug
 
 And how would they view the hegemony of the mid-twentieth century Germans?



Manufacturing Consent (Chomsky) on TV tonight and tomorrow

2000-02-09 Thread David Dorkin

For anyone who is interested and has Dishnetwork, Direct tv, or
Worldlink tv on his or her cable system, Manufacturing Consent is on the
Worldlink tv channel (a relatively new public network) tonight and twice
tomorrow as well

http://worldlinktv.com/



[PEN-L:12664] Re: RE: Re: Where's the Beef?

1999-10-13 Thread David Dorkin

Well, one additional approach is to look at how different people across
countries subjectively describe their own condition. The World Values
Survey has been attempting to do this, among other things, for some time
now. 

GDP can obviously of use for many reasons, but it has long since taken
on a significance which it can not pretend to have without a more
extensive explanation of its composition in each case. It may be that in
public discourse with some, it is next to impossible to explain this,
but that is another question entirely. Development for which sectors of
a society, in what way, how, what are the subjective impressions of
persons undergoing "development" or of "developed" peoples? Some info on
this is available and is interesting. 

Regards
Dave

Max Sawicky wrote:
 
 Max Sawicky wrote:
 
 It boils down to this, if you're serious:
 Is it really the case that there is a lack of summary
 measures that indicate a widespread lack of development
 in the periphery over the past 50 years?
 
 Following your strictures not to question GDP as a measure of
 development, I guess it comes down to a matter of relative vs.
 absolute.
 -
 
 If you don't like GDP, give me something else that
 speaks to the issue.  Give me hemorrhoids per capita
 between 1940 and 1999.  Whatever.  If you can't, you
 shouldn't say capitalism sustains itself on escalating
 misery in the Third World.  You could, at the risk of
 being called names, say it subsists on uneven rates
 of increase.  Or on the exhaustion of non-renewable
 resources that will lead to a fundamental crisis in
 the middle of the next century.
 
 mbs





[PEN-L:10098] International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin

Can anyone direct to any good, preferably online comparisons of
inequality in both income and wealth across countries? I am aware of
James Galbraith's working paper at CEPA and am looking for any other
data sources and tables clearly presented if possible

Thanks in advance

Dave Dorkin






[PEN-L:10113] Argentina Intl.Inequality

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin

I should probably point out why I was looking for more info today on
inequality. In Pagina1 12, the Argentinian left daily, a report came out
from an establishment consulting firm (FIEL)that the income share of the
top 10% is 49.3% and not 37 as stated by Indec, the official agency in
Argentina. Any comments on this? 

Thanks






[PEN-L:10119] Re: Argentina Intl.Inequality

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin

Well, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that Argentina has traditionally
been the most equally disributed country in the region historically;
this approaches Brazilian levels and seems pretty significant to me
coming as it does after a series of Menem and Cavallo reforms which are
widely held to be successful by many. Here's FIEL's methodology as much
as I can find. Let me know if you dont understand Spanish: 

ajusta los ingresos declarados por las familias en la encuesta de
hogares del Indec, que se releva dos veces al año (en mayo y octubre),
con la información proveniente de las llamadas cuentas nacionales
(contabilidad que mide el Producto Bruto, el Ingreso Nacional y otras
variables), que el Ministerio de Economía acaba de actualizar. Según las
condiciones de trabajo  del perceptor, los ingresos incluyen salarios,
ingresos cuentapropistas, utilidades, intereses, renta y jubilaciones.
Como el PBI que generan los argentinos ingresa en sus bolsillos en forma
de salarios o ganancias del capital, las cuentas nacionales permiten
chequear si lo declarado al Indec por los perceptores de ingresos es
correcto. 

Doug Henwood wrote:
 Of what, income after taxes  transfers? In U.S. pretax distribution
 in 1997, the top 20% had 49.4% of income, and the top 5%, 21.7%. They
 don't publish decile info, but around 38-40% isn't an ureasonable
 guess. Sounds like Argentina is very concentrated, since the U.S. is
 always the most unequal in the LIS rankings except for Russia.
 Doug






[PEN-L:10111] Re International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin

Right, but the Galbraith paper for example, makes an attempt to work
around this and I was wondering if there were any other readily
available papers or tables on this question of at least some use.
Sorry for not expressing my question better.

Thanks

 That's the only internationally comparable data. The UN and World
 Bank collect national data, but from different years using different
 techniques and definitions. The World Bank figures, for example, mix
 income and consumption data, which is analytically useless to compare.
 Doug






[PEN-L:10107] Re: Re: International Inequality Comparisons?

1999-08-16 Thread david dorkin

Thanks, but the Luxembourg study has little info on this and covers very
few countries. I am familiar with the World Banks tables  but they too
are quite incomplete and difficult to read (in PDF form). Anyone know of
anything else preferably with some analysis of the stats as well?

 try _Luxembourg Income Study_.  Also _World Development Report_ has tables with gini 
index and income distribution by quantiles for most countries in the world.
 wojtek






[PEN-L:7581] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: DeLong Compares Mao to Hitler

1999-06-02 Thread david dorkin

Is it not possible to use varying degrees of abstraction in the case of
the US then and say that x millions of people died, led short brutish
lives, or emigrated, due to US imposition of  monocultural agriculture
in their countries, provocation of coups and civil unrest, as well
exports of arms to much of the world such as East Timor, Vietnam
Guatemala etc? Why exempt the US on the basis of its avowed "democratic"
principles a la Walter Lippman? If you accept explanations of death
tolls for others, would you also accept them for the US? or would you
simply dismiss anyone who made a case for this as being "ideological"?

Brad De Long wrote:

 Gee. Other people complain that I do not abstract enough--that I argue too
 much from relevant historical contexts  and so,as some put it, wind up
 making the same arguments that justify the Nazi New Order.
 
 Let me try to distinguish between two kinds of "relevant historical
 context." The first--which I reject completely and utterly--is that there
 is a difference between people killed by the Okhrana, shot by Franco's
 police, or starved to death because the Czar was uninterested in famine
 relief and the landlords were interested in exporting wheat through Odessa
 on the one hand; and people killed by the NKVD, or people starved to death
 because the soldiers took all their grain (and no one would dare tell Mao
 that the harvest was low) on the other hand because people who fall in the
 second group are counterrevolutionary scum or enemies of the people. Dead
 is dead. To deny the humanity of some of the dead seems to me to simply be
 anti-human.






[PEN-L:7044] Re: Baha'i in Iran

1999-05-19 Thread david dorkin

I've been looking into the Bahais for some time and the odd thing is
that there is virtually no decent scholarship on them written by
non-bahais. The only decent books I have found are written by ex-bahais
(principally Juan Cole at U Mich). Their stance on academic freedom
played a big role in losing them Cole, their most prominent academic as
well as many other intellectuals. Anyone know of anything out there?

Jim Devine wrote:
 
 Barkley wrote:
  Their [Baha'i] positions on women are also somewhat less than
 enlightened, although better than those of most of Islam, which they
 historically derived from. In Iran they are viewed as apostate heretics and
 thus subject to much more severe repression than other religious groups.
 They also suffer in Iran because many of them were involved in the Shah's
 regime.
 
 also, many of them were richer than most Iranis, so that there was
 resentment toward them (similar to much European feelings toward Jews) at
 the same time that the Ayatollah's stealing from them is more profitable
 than stealing from the average Mohammed.






[PEN-L:6612] New System For PC Music Stirs Concern Over Piracy

1999-05-10 Thread david dorkin

DEAN BAKER ON
John Markoff 
New York Times, May 3, 1999, page C1 

This article reports on a new product that will facilitate the transfer
of music over the Internet. It also
documents the efforts that the recording industry is taking to prevent
this technology from spreading,
including a court suit to have it banned. This again points to the
increasing inefficiency of the
copyright system as a means to support artistic work in the digital age.






[PEN-L:4160] Re: MUCH SCARIER THAN THE STUFF YOU SEND ME:

1999-03-05 Thread david dorkin

Sorry; intended for another recipient (still, it is pretty scary)






[PEN-L:4159] MUCH SCARIER THAN THE STUFF YOU SEND ME:

1999-03-05 Thread david dorkin

"When I want to get in touch with a market-oriented person or
organization I first check Atlas's web page." 

Jerry Jordan 
Member of the Mont Pelerin Society 
President of the Federal Reserve Bank in Cleveland 

These are the right wing types you should be worried about:
http://www.atlas-fdn.org/






[PEN-L:4151] LEFT WING THINK TANKS?

1999-03-05 Thread david dorkin

What would the list of left (or at least left of center) think tanks be?
I count:

Economic Policy Institute
Institute for Policy Studies
Jerome Levy Economics Institute ?
Preamble Center
Center for Economic Policy Analysis
Transnational Institute
The Century Foundation ?
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities ?

Any info on these and others I may have left out is greatly appreciated






[PEN-L:2304] Re: Re: Red Cross versus govt. collection of blood

1999-01-19 Thread david dorkin

Top graduates in France from their Grandes Ecoles almost always go into
government service. Almost every minister you can think of there is
aproduct of this system

Michael Perelman wrote:
 
 Some time ago, the Nation ran a piece showing that Elizabeth Dole used
 the Red Cross tofurther her husband's political career.
 
 Even so, Brad is correct that you would want to create a public spirit,
 but the government seems to be a good place to start -- at least within
 the confines of our current system.  The problem is that we do not hire
 good people to enter government, but instead we hire careerists.
 
 I understand that in Britain the top graduates of their universities
 went into government; the lesser people settled for academia and
 business.  My source might have been wrong, but it is an interesting
 concept with regard to public service.
 
 Also, we would have to open government up to [an this contradicts my
 last point to some degree] all kinds of people, and not just elites.  In
 a meritocracy, there might not be a contradiction.
 
 Ken Hanly wrote:
 
  Brad De Long better not come to Canada and suggest that the Red
  Cross is a good agency to collect and distribute blood! The Red
  Cross collected plasma from US prisons and managed to give AIDS
  to a number of haemophiliacs and others. THe Red Cross managed to
  destroy the credibility of the blood collection system and made
  it necessary to set up a new agency. The government has just been
  stuck with the task of compensating victims.
  Cheers, Ken Hanly
 
 --
 
 Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Chico, CA 95929
 530-898-5321
 fax 530-898-5901






[PEN-L:2299] Re: Re: Judith Butler, etc.

1999-01-19 Thread david dorkin

So tell me; what is your response respond to this posting?

(Since both Chomsky and the subject seem to come up  alot here, I was
wondering if anyone had a comment on this-Thanks)
 Dear Bill,

 Don't know if we met at MIT. I live a pretty crazy life, and
sometimes can barely
 remember whether I've met my children recently. Hope you'll find a
way out of the
 present bad situation.

 On postmodernism, I don't know anything about the Web, and don't
know what
 you saw of mine on postmodernism, so a little hard to comment. But
just keeping
 to what you wrote, I suspect we may be talking about different
things.

 Running through your message, point by point.

 On theory, I don't object to the fact that postmodernism has no
theories (i.e.,
 nothing that could sustain a non-trivial argument). No one else
does either, when
 we turn to human affairs or the kinds of things they are
discussing. What I object to
 is that they proudly claim otherwise. Their productions are put
forth as "grand
 theory," too deep for ordinary mortals to understand -- at least
for me: I don't
 understand it, and am skeptical about whether there is any "theory"
to understand.
 That's a great technique for enhancing one's own privilege while
marginalizing
 the slobs. Does it serve any other function? If so, what? Am I
missing some of the
 great achievements? If so, what?

 On the proof of Fermat's theorem, I have no independent judgment.
Hence the
 word "apparently," which you picked up on quite accurately. I think
we agree.

 On Evelyn Fox Keller, I also find her work very interesting, but
don't see any
 connection to post-modernism (at least, in what both of us find
interesting about
 it).

 As for it's being "a truism of our society that we're robots
programmed by our DNA,
 which then interacts with the environment in such a complicated way
that
 prediction tends to be impossible," and the failure of molecular
biologists to prove
 this, I don't quite know what you mean. That what we do is the
result of some
 complex interaction between our genetic endowment (which may not
all be
 specified in DNA) and the course of experience -- that does seem to
be close to
 truism. What else could play a role? God? That what we do is
completely
 unpredictable is also true. There's been no progress since the
Greeks on this,
 perhaps for quite fundamental reasons (I've written about this
elsewhere, and
 won't repeat). But I don't see what this has to do with molecular
biologists, still
 less with postmodernism.

 Every biologist and other scientist I know of agrees with you that
"it's a still a
 complete mystery how an organism grows out a zygote." For a recent
example,
 take Hazen's article on unsolved problems of science in the current
issue of
 "Technology Review." I think you are pushing an open door on this
one, and it has
 nothing to do with postmodernism.

 You write that "it's good that biologists have actually rejected
the "master
 molecule" talk you still read about in glowing articles in
Scientific American about
 the latest gene which controls trait X, but where the cybernetic
craziness the
 biologists have gone into might be worse -- they've developed an
obfuscatory
 language which allows them to think in same robotic metaphors."

 I don't recognize this from what I read in biology. There is a lot
of fascinating work
 on "master" regulatory genes that seem to appear throughout organic
forms,
 determining the development of body forms, eyes, etc., everywhere.
If that's what
 you are referring to, it seems to be very enlightening and
important. If something
 else, can't comment. But either way, I don't see the connection to
postmodernism.

 Ruth Hubbard's work is also interesting. But I don't see the
connection to
 postmodernism, or to serious biological science. On everything
being a machine,
 surely no scientist should have believed this since Newton refuted
the
 "mechanical philosophy" -- that is, the belief that the inorganic
world is a machine
 -- outraging the scientific establishment (Huygens, Leibniz,
Bernoulli, etc.) and
 himself as well, since he regarded this conclusion as absurd, and
sought (vainly)
 to refute it for the rest of his life, as did Euler, D'Alembert,
and other major figures
 of the 18th century -- and beyond; these efforts underlie the
various ether theories.
 But by this century, Newton's demonstration that NOTHING is a
machine has been
 almost universally accepted among scientists. So again, I don't see
what the issue
 is. Or any connection to postmodernism (which, I admit, I don't
understand).

 On Descartes's "ghost in the machine," that notion made sense in
the time of
 Descartes, and was indeed straight, normal science. But the concept
collapsed
 when Newton exorcised 

[PEN-L:2254] Chomsky on postmodernism at Z36A2F103.CA36D25E@mindspring.com v04011701b2c903d3b3b5@[166.84.250.86]

1999-01-18 Thread david dorkin

(Since both Chomsky and the subject seem to come up  alot here, I was
wondering if anyone had a comment on this-Thanks)
 Dear Bill,

 Don't know if we met at MIT. I live a pretty crazy life, and
sometimes can barely
 remember whether I've met my children recently. Hope you'll find a
way out of the
 present bad situation.

 On postmodernism, I don't know anything about the Web, and don't
know what
 you saw of mine on postmodernism, so a little hard to comment. But
just keeping
 to what you wrote, I suspect we may be talking about different
things.

 Running through your message, point by point.

 On theory, I don't object to the fact that postmodernism has no
theories (i.e.,
 nothing that could sustain a non-trivial argument). No one else
does either, when
 we turn to human affairs or the kinds of things they are
discussing. What I object to
 is that they proudly claim otherwise. Their productions are put
forth as "grand
 theory," too deep for ordinary mortals to understand -- at least
for me: I don't
 understand it, and am skeptical about whether there is any "theory"
to understand.
 That's a great technique for enhancing one's own privilege while
marginalizing
 the slobs. Does it serve any other function? If so, what? Am I
missing some of the
 great achievements? If so, what?

 On the proof of Fermat's theorem, I have no independent judgment.
Hence the
 word "apparently," which you picked up on quite accurately. I think
we agree.

 On Evelyn Fox Keller, I also find her work very interesting, but
don't see any
 connection to post-modernism (at least, in what both of us find
interesting about
 it).

 As for it's being "a truism of our society that we're robots
programmed by our DNA,
 which then interacts with the environment in such a complicated way
that
 prediction tends to be impossible," and the failure of molecular
biologists to prove
 this, I don't quite know what you mean. That what we do is the
result of some
 complex interaction between our genetic endowment (which may not
all be
 specified in DNA) and the course of experience -- that does seem to
be close to
 truism. What else could play a role? God? That what we do is
completely
 unpredictable is also true. There's been no progress since the
Greeks on this,
 perhaps for quite fundamental reasons (I've written about this
elsewhere, and
 won't repeat). But I don't see what this has to do with molecular
biologists, still
 less with postmodernism.

 Every biologist and other scientist I know of agrees with you that
"it's a still a
 complete mystery how an organism grows out a zygote." For a recent
example,
 take Hazen's article on unsolved problems of science in the current
issue of
 "Technology Review." I think you are pushing an open door on this
one, and it has
 nothing to do with postmodernism.

 You write that "it's good that biologists have actually rejected
the "master
 molecule" talk you still read about in glowing articles in
Scientific American about
 the latest gene which controls trait X, but where the cybernetic
craziness the
 biologists have gone into might be worse -- they've developed an
obfuscatory
 language which allows them to think in same robotic metaphors."

 I don't recognize this from what I read in biology. There is a lot
of fascinating work
 on "master" regulatory genes that seem to appear throughout organic
forms,
 determining the development of body forms, eyes, etc., everywhere.
If that's what
 you are referring to, it seems to be very enlightening and
important. If something
 else, can't comment. But either way, I don't see the connection to
postmodernism.

 Ruth Hubbard's work is also interesting. But I don't see the
connection to
 postmodernism, or to serious biological science. On everything
being a machine,
 surely no scientist should have believed this since Newton refuted
the
 "mechanical philosophy" -- that is, the belief that the inorganic
world is a machine
 -- outraging the scientific establishment (Huygens, Leibniz,
Bernoulli, etc.) and
 himself as well, since he regarded this conclusion as absurd, and
sought (vainly)
 to refute it for the rest of his life, as did Euler, D'Alembert,
and other major figures
 of the 18th century -- and beyond; these efforts underlie the
various ether theories.
 But by this century, Newton's demonstration that NOTHING is a
machine has been
 almost universally accepted among scientists. So again, I don't see
what the issue
 is. Or any connection to postmodernism (which, I admit, I don't
understand).

 On Descartes's "ghost in the machine," that notion made sense in
the time of
 Descartes, and was indeed straight, normal science. But the concept
collapsed
 when Newton exorcised the machine (leaving the ghost intact).
There's been a lot
 

[PEN-L:2256] Post Modernism

1999-01-18 Thread david dorkin

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[PEN-L:864] Grad programs in econ

1998-08-13 Thread david dorkin

Hi. I'm considering enrolling in a doctoral program in econ in one of
the heterodox departments. I was wondering if anyone has any advice
about heterodox departments as well as the idea of a doctorate in econ,
as opposed to to sociology or pol.sc. given the state of the discipline
and future job prospects (for non neo-classicals). All info is
appreciated.

Thanks in advance
David Dorkin