Charles, Never said any such thing, only that it is complicated. And I did not reject all of those things you listed, certainly not that one about muddling through not knowing what they are doing. Some obvious ones that have been listed and not rejected include periphery pacification for Euro- capital and general assertion of global authority by the US for its capital to operate (globally). Also, now that it is going, the US military-industrial complex is enjoying the higher earnings and saying "go go go," although they were not behind its initiation, I don't think, but are certainly a much bigger material interest than might-be-miners in Kosmet or Danube river shippers in Germany. Certainly the spectacle of Repug reps in the US House voting against "supporting Clinton's war" but voting FOR the funding of it plus some has been most edifying. Also, I would not minimize the more global concern of pleasing the Turko-Central Asian oil belt for US oil companies. These look all pretty substantive, although I also think that at least some of these leaders have convinced themselves that they really are doing for humanitarian reasons, absurd as that may be. Barkley Rosser -----Original Message----- From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: [PEN-L:6403] Re: Re: FWD: Appendix B to RambouilletAccordproposal; Kosovo's >Ok lets eliminate that one. I would like to add to the list of eliminated explanations: humanitarian rescue, anti-fascism , muddling through not knowing what they are doing. having no economic master plan and no material motives whatsoever, free floating machoism, > >What is the DEFINITE combination of causes for the war ? Could the mines be part of a COMBINATION of material motives ? Does such a combination include seeking to exploit the labor of Yugoslavians as by the Rambouillet Appendix B provision requiring a "free" market in Kosovo ? making Yugoslavia an example to others to forestall the unravelling of neo-colonialism in the former socialist countries and other countries similar to Yugoslavia in its relationship to the U.S., Germany, Britain, France and other neo-imperialist countries ? > >Are you saying that this war has no material cause or combination of material causes whatsoever ? No main material cause or main combination of causes ? That its main cause is not material ? That it is random ? > > >Charles Brown > > > > >>>> "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/04/99 12:50PM >>> > We've already heard about the mines of Kosmet >as an alleged material cause. It just does not fly. >Is mining all that profitable these days? Why should >European or US capitalists give a hoot and not just >buy the stuff, given that prices have not been all that >high lately? I'm sorry, but I don't believe mining interests >were whispering in Madeleine Albright's ear on January >17 when she convinced the national security group to >recommend bombing Yugoslavia if there was no >signature at Rambouillet. > (That European and US capital would like to see >free market capitalism extended to Yugoslavia is quite >another kettle of fish.) > As for lignite, what a joke! The stuff is highly >polluting and not particularly desired by anybody >anymore, although it might be acceptable in poorer >and more polluted countries like.... (Larry Summers >would approve.... ). >Barkley Rosser >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 12:32 PM >Subject: [PEN-L:6398] Re: FWD: Appendix B to Rambouillet Accordproposal; >Kosovo's > > >>Sounds like part of a potential vulgar materialist motive for war. >> >>Charles Brown >> >>>>> "Michael Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/04/99 11:42AM >>> >>> IN THIS MESSAGE: Appendix B to Rambouillet Accord proposal; Kosovo's >>> Glittering Prize >>> Chapter 4a, Article I -- "The economy of Kosovo, shall function in >>> accordance with free market principles." >>> It is crystal clear whose interests are being advanced here: Kosovo has >>> substantial mineral resources, including the richest mines for lead, >>> molybdenum, mercury and other metals in all of Europe. Obviously one >cannot >>> leave the control over such resources to an independent Yugoslavia. >> >>Kosovo also has the largest lignite field in Europe...Michael Hoover >> >> > >