Re: 911 STUDY
Conspiracy is a loaded word and should be dropped from this discussion in order to keep clarity. After all, when a Girl Scout Troop holds a bake sale, a conspiracy can be said to have occured. I suggest the more operative words, plan and analysis be used. In the present instance, qualified, experienced pilots analysed what little information they have about the events of 911 -- they bounced their personal knowledge off reported facts. The events of 911 themselves were the result of a plan. By chucking the efforts of the pilots into the catch-all conspiracy bucket, the underlying issue gets pettifogged away.* Conspiracy theorists is heavy in intensional meaning and meager in extensional meaning, to use S. I. Hayakawa's phraseology. Much of what we know about the world -- from the existence of Pluto the planet to the personality of Pluto the dog -- has come from deductive reasoning. The case of 911 requires a great deal of deductive reasoning as well as the fitting together of known pieces of a broken mosaic. Whatever practical moves a citizen makes today hinges heavily on deductive reasoning. A corollary challenge is to keep the loaded words of the media (including email forums) from skewing the swing. Dan Scanlan * Mixed metaphor? Once you set sail in a metaphor you shouldn't swap horses until you at least get to the end of the sentence. The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground for conspiracy theories. That is because a coverup is itself a conspiracy and is also presumptive evidence that at least one prior conspiracy is being covered up. Hence the liberal use of disinformation to obstruct effective investigation of that which is being covered up. Shane Mage === Reads like and infinite regress problem common to conspiracy theories... Ian -- -- You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones we need to concentrate on. George W. Bush, Washington DC, March 2001 - END OF THE TRAIL SALOON Live music, comedy, call-in radio-oke Alternate Sundays, 6am GMT (10pm PDT) http://www.kvmr.org I uke, therefore I am. -- Cool Hand Uke I log on, therefore I seem to be. -- Rodd Gnawkin Visit Cool Hand Uke's Lava Tube: http://www.oro.net/~dscanlan
911 STUDY
Title: 911 STUDY The following is an interesting reportfrom a Portuguese newspaper, The Portugal News Weekend Edition (May 8, 2002) , regarding a group of US pilots who deliberated non-stop for 72 hours in an independent analysis of the 911 story. http://the-news.net/cgi-bin/story.pl?title=September%2011%20-%20US%20Government%20accusededition=663 FRONT PAGE STORY - 03/08/2002 September 11 - US Government accused A Portugal-based investigative journalist has presented THE NEWS with version of the September 11th attacks that has to date failed to attract the attention of the international press. The report, compiled by an independent inquiry into the September 11th, World Trade Centre attack, warns the American public that the government's official version of events does not stand up to scrutiny. - A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand, after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft. In a detailed press communiqué the inquiry stated: "The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their pre-selected targets." The report seriously questions whether or not the suspect hijackers, supposedly trained on Cessna light aircraft, could have located a target dead-on 200 miles from take off point. It further throws into doubt their ability to master the intricacies of the instrument flight rules (IFR) in the 45 minutes from take off to the point of impact. Colonel de Grand said that it would be impossible for novices to have taken control of the four aircraft and orchestrated such a terrible act requiring military precision of the highest order. A member of the inquiry team, a US Air Force officer who flew over 100 sorties during the Vietnam war, told the press conference: "Those birds (commercial airliners) either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being manoeuvred by remote control." In evidence given to the enquiry, Captain Kent Hill (retd.) of the US Air Force, and friend of Chic Burlingame, the pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, stated that the US had on several occasions flown an unmanned aircraft, similar in size to a Boeing 737, across the Pacific from Edwards Air Force base in California to South Australia. According to Hill it had flown on a pre programmed flight path under the control of a pilot in an outside station. Hill also quoted Bob Ayling, former British Airways boss, in an interview given to the London Economist on September 20th, 2001. Ayling admitted that it was now possible to control an aircraft in flight from either the ground or in the air. This was confirmed by expert witnesses at the inquiry who testified that airliners could be controlled by electro-magnetic pulse or radio frequency instrumentation from command and control platforms based either in the air or at ground level. All members of the inquiry team agreed that even if guns were held to their heads none of them would fly a plane into a building. Their reaction would be to ditch the plane into a river or a field, thereby safeguarding the lives of those on the ground. A further question raised by the inquiry was why none of the pilots concerned had alerted ground control. It stated that all pilots are trained to punch a four-digit code into the flight control's transponder to warn ground control crews of a hijacking - but this did not happen. During the press conference Captain Hill maintained that the four airliners must have been choreographed by an Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS). This system can engage several aircraft simultaneously by knocking out their on-board flight controls. He said that all the evidence points to the fact that the pilots and their crews had not taken any evasive action to resist the supposed hijackers. They had not attempted any sudden changes in flight path or nose-dive procedures - which led him to believe that they had no control over their aircraft. THE NEWS, in an attempt to further substantiate the potential veracity of these findings, spoke to an Algarve-based airline pilot, who has more than 20 years of experience in flying passenger planes, to seek his views. Captain Colin McHattie, currently flying with Cathay Pacific, agreed with the independent commission's findings. However, he explained that while it is possible to fly a plane from the ground, the installation of the necessary equipment is a time-consuming process, and needs extensive planning. THE NEWS will publish a full interview with Captain McH
Re: 911 STUDY
- Original Message - From: Dan Scanlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand, after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft. === BARBARIANS INSIDE THE GATES The Black Book of Bolshevism Donn de Grand Pre. Are we on the eve of a bloody revolution and martial law in the United States of America, or will it be World War III. Colonel Donn de Grand Pre, while serving as an arms negotiator in the pentagon, received a wake-up call from President Gerald Ford soon after the second attempt on his life. Ford said, Something has gone wrong in our country when a president can no longer walk among the people. This jarred Donn from his heady pursuit of striving to become the wold's leading arms peddler. Disillusioned with our government's course, both at home and abroad, Donn exited Washington, DC for his farm in Virginia where he began an intensive program of research which slowly unmasked a deadly 'Bolshevik' peril to our Republic... 'hidden Barbarians' already inside the gates; an enemy totally dedicated to the destruction of our sovereignty as a nation-state and enslavement or extermination of all who might block their despotic plans for World domination. Hard Cover, 420pp ITEM #1 $28.00 http://www.catholictreasures.com/cartdescrip/1.html
Re: 911 STUDY
The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground for conspiracy theories. On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 12:51:32PM -0700, Eubulides wrote: - Original Message - From: Dan Scanlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand, after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft. === BARBARIANS INSIDE THE GATES The Black Book of Bolshevism Donn de Grand Pre. Are we on the eve of a bloody revolution and martial law in the United States of America, or will it be World War III. Colonel Donn de Grand Pre, while serving as an arms negotiator in the pentagon, received a wake-up call from President Gerald Ford soon after the second attempt on his life. Ford said, Something has gone wrong in our country when a president can no longer walk among the people. This jarred Donn from his heady pursuit of striving to become the wold's leading arms peddler. Disillusioned with our government's course, both at home and abroad, Donn exited Washington, DC for his farm in Virginia where he began an intensive program of research which slowly unmasked a deadly 'Bolshevik' peril to our Republic... 'hidden Barbarians' already inside the gates; an enemy totally dedicated to the destruction of our sovereignty as a nation-state and enslavement or extermination of all who might block their despotic plans for World domination. Hard Cover, 420pp ITEM #1 $28.00 http://www.catholictreasures.com/cartdescrip/1.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 911 STUDY
Michael Perelman wrote: The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground for conspiracy theories. That is because a coverup is itself a conspiracy and is also presumptive evidence that at least one prior conspiracy is being covered up. Hence the liberal use of disinformation to obstruct effective investigation of that which is being covered up. Shane Mage Thunderbolt steers all things. Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64
Re: 911 STUDY
- Original Message - From: Shane Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground for conspiracy theories. That is because a coverup is itself a conspiracy and is also presumptive evidence that at least one prior conspiracy is being covered up. Hence the liberal use of disinformation to obstruct effective investigation of that which is being covered up. Shane Mage === Reads like and infinite regress problem common to conspiracy theories... Ian
