Re: A. Sen on Sraffa, Wittgenstein, and Gramsci

2004-01-24 Thread Paul
Thanks for the interesting review (and tip).  People may wish to know that
the article is in the latest edition of the Journal of Economic Literature
which also has a fine review of Brenner's book 'Boom and Bubble' by our own
Michael Perelman (thanks Michael).
I have not yet been able to read them, but I have noticed two more recent
Sraffa articles (in the current Contributions to Pol. Eco, the annual
published by the Cambridge J. of Eco people).  One article, based on the
recent opening of Sraffa's papers in Cambridge, seems to offer a novel
interpretation of the origin (and hence context) of Sraffa's system.  It
seems to me (under informed) that the majority of commentators have
situated Sraffa as a descendent of Ricardo's theory of value vs. a minority
that emphasize Sraffa as a descendent (for better or worse) of Marx's
transformation of values into prices of production as an intellectual
starting point.  Now, based on his unpublished writings and letters, it
appears that Sraffa drew his intellectual starting point from Marx's
reproduction schemes.  The article is written by Giancarlo de Vivo, of Naples.
Incidentally, the CPE issue also has an extended and very honorable book
review of two of Geoffrey Harcourt's books done by Gary Mongiovi (still on
Pen-l?).
Paul

Tonak writes:
I just finished reading the following fascinating article by Sen. .


A. Sen on Sraffa, Wittgenstein, and Gramsci

2004-01-23 Thread E. Ahmet Tonak
I just finished reading the following fascinating article by Sen.  As
the abstract suggests two distinct issues were discussed.  I disagree
with the view that they are interrelated as presented by Sen.  Though in
reality they might.  Regarding the  first issue there are two sub
issues: The first has to do with Sraffa's pivotal influence on
Wittgenstein which was already well-established, admitted by
Wittgenstein himself and explored by his biographers.  Sen himself also
says this in the article.  Hence, there is nothing new in this regard.
The second sub-issue would have been a very interesting area to explore.
 In my view, what Sen suggests regarding Sraffa's education in  the
activist political circle in Italy (clustered around the journal
L'Ordine Nuovo) is very speculative, broad, too general and does not go
beyond again what is already well-known --there was a deep friendship
between Sraffa and Gramsci and Gramsci was interested in everything,
including those philosophical, anthropological and linguistic issues,
which Sen discusses in this piece.  My point is that the Gramsci
connection to our understanding of Sraffa-Wittgenstein interaction was
not well-grounded.  Having said this, I found Sen's insights to and
formulations of the influence of Sraffa's philosophical views on his
economics  and the way Sraffa challanged the mainstream economic theory
(beyond what is generally accepted by heterodox economists) very
interesting and crisp.  Especially, those parts of Sen's discussion
based on his personal relations/observations at Cambridge and
unpublished material (Sraffa's and Dobb's letters) are revealing in
terms of what really these giants were thinking/worrying about.  There
are also research programmatic suggestive ideas in this second part of
the essay, e.g. exploring the possibility of combining labor and
utility based value theories.  And many other insights and the facts of
intellectual history.  I recommend it.
Sraffa, Wittgenstein, and Gramsci
Amartya Sen
Two distinct but interrelated issues are investigated here. The first
concerns Sraffa's critical role in contemporary philosophy through his
pivotal influence on Wittgenstein. The intellectual origins of this
profound influence can be traced to the philosophical interests of the
activist political circle in Italy (clustered around the journal
L'Ordine Nuovo) to which both Sraffa and Antonio Gramsci belonged. The
second inquiry concerns the influence of Sraffa's philosophical views on
his economics. Sraffa's economic contributions can be much better
understood by paying attention to the way Sraffa changed the nature of
the questions asked, rather than seeking different answers to already
established questions.


Re: A. Sen on Sraffa, Wittgenstein, and Gramsci

2004-01-23 Thread E. Ahmet Tonak
My apologies for the absence of the source; it was JEL, the most recent
issue.
E. Ahmet Tonak wrote:

I just finished reading the following fascinating article by Sen.  As
the abstract suggests two distinct issues were discussed.  I disagree
with the view that they are interrelated as presented by Sen.  Though in
reality they might.  Regarding the  first issue there are two sub
issues: The first has to do with Sraffa's pivotal influence on
Wittgenstein which was already well-established, admitted by
Wittgenstein himself and explored by his biographers.  Sen himself also
says this in the article.  Hence, there is nothing new in this regard.
The second sub-issue would have been a very interesting area to explore.
 In my view, what Sen suggests regarding Sraffa's education in  the
activist political circle in Italy (clustered around the journal
L'Ordine Nuovo) is very speculative, broad, too general and does not go
beyond again what is already well-known --there was a deep friendship
between Sraffa and Gramsci and Gramsci was interested in everything,
including those philosophical, anthropological and linguistic issues,
which Sen discusses in this piece.  My point is that the Gramsci
connection to our understanding of Sraffa-Wittgenstein interaction was
not well-grounded.  Having said this, I found Sen's insights to and
formulations of the influence of Sraffa's philosophical views on his
economics  and the way Sraffa challanged the mainstream economic theory
(beyond what is generally accepted by heterodox economists) very
interesting and crisp.  Especially, those parts of Sen's discussion
based on his personal relations/observations at Cambridge and
unpublished material (Sraffa's and Dobb's letters) are revealing in
terms of what really these giants were thinking/worrying about.  There
are also research programmatic suggestive ideas in this second part of
the essay, e.g. exploring the possibility of combining labor and
utility based value theories.  And many other insights and the facts of
intellectual history.  I recommend it.
Sraffa, Wittgenstein, and Gramsci
Amartya Sen
Two distinct but interrelated issues are investigated here. The first
concerns Sraffa's critical role in contemporary philosophy through his
pivotal influence on Wittgenstein. The intellectual origins of this
profound influence can be traced to the philosophical interests of the
activist political circle in Italy (clustered around the journal
L'Ordine Nuovo) to which both Sraffa and Antonio Gramsci belonged. The
second inquiry concerns the influence of Sraffa's philosophical views on
his economics. Sraffa's economic contributions can be much better
understood by paying attention to the way Sraffa changed the nature of
the questions asked, rather than seeking different answers to already
established questions.